What has most of us confused is your charge that Manchin and Sinema are "corrupt" with no evidence of any corruption. Its like the typical dem ploy of calling people you don't like "Russian Assets" like Hillary called Tulsi Gabbard.
Yes, words do have meaning. Corruption does not recognize a political party. You ONLY see that which you dislike and ignore it when you want something.
You know 90% don't understand that....Marc is one of them, he's a leftwing crusader that has never been outside an urban area in his life.
I wouldn't waste My time doing that. He would not accept any evidence, regardless of how true. I've learned that with Marc, a few replies is more than apt to refute him, and then I just move along.
I'm not sure what "corruption" you're talking about. I'd agree that I thought the dems were right in paying for social spending aimed at 30-50K working families by taxing those making over 400K, and more importantly the people who own most of the corp equity.
They aren’t corrupt, they are responding to the people that elected them. I can’t speak for Manchin, but Sinema barely got elected and unless she satisfies ALL Arizonans, she will be out on her ear.
You're not wrong in that. Where you are wrong, however, lies in believing that a few upstart young legislators will be able to get the big money (and with it the bought and sold influence) out of politics. The ONLY way to do successfully do that is to reduce and/or remove what government has to sell, which is power, and that's simply not going to happen. Why do you think FaceBook is running ads calling for more internet regulation? Simple, FB has the money to buy influence and shape any new legislation to be very favorable for themselves and to screw competitors. Why do you think Quid Pro Joe's son got that extremely lucrative job? Simple, he had access to the VP's office and all the power that went with it. Even those upstart, idealistic youngsters are going to, before long, become the establishment they profess to oppose. They will become, in your terms, sellouts but will be impossible to remove due to their longevity in office.
he said you see corruption in only those you disagree with.......is this true marc?....
They will mysteriously die first unfortunately.
nope.....years back in the other forum marc was a lot more open minded.....i think somewhere along the line....trump must have kissed his significant other....
You don't even have to believe in the "deep state" to see that there is a well entrenched power structure at work in Washington, and it doesn't like being challenged. Ever wonder what that first meeting with Pelosi is like? "Play along and you get on the good committees, get linked up with wealthy donors, get meetings with connected lobbyists. In less than 5 years you could be a multi-millionaire with lifetime job security. Don't play along and nothing you ever write will see the light of day. You won't get assigned to any committees, no one will listen to a thing you say, you'll get no donations, no lobbyists clamoring to meet with you, no air time, and probably defeated in the next election cycle. So, what'll it be?".
This is what happens when Congress creates these massive spending bills. It's open season to stuff it full of crap that has nothing to do with its stated goals, and the president can only sign or veto it. They purposely start with something extremely popular or that the president has indicated that he really wants, than load it up with stuff that would not survive on its own, so he has little choice. Either sign something he knows is crap, or veto something he pleaded with Congress to send him.
