The damage done by the New Partisans

[PredFan]

The democrats that we used to have some respect for no longer exist. They have been completely destroyed and replaced by Progressives.

Progressives are the worst human beings imaginable. No scruples, no integrity, no morals, and a win at all costs mentality that completely ignores consequences. They cannot be reasoned with, they will not compromise, and care nothing about the damage they do.

Verification of my first post (#3)

After the fall of the Soviet Union in the late '80's, the right no longer had the "Red Scare" to propagate, they replaced it with the "socialism/communism/progressive/leftist/green scare"

ZZZZZZzzzzzz.....

If you can't argue the point, ridicule the poster. Typical Progressive bull shit.

This is what happens when you listen to morons like Glenn Beck

And again! Lol!

How about if I prove you wrong?

Your "claim"

PredFan: "The democrats that we used to have some respect for no longer exist. They have been completely destroyed and replaced by Progressives"

FALSE...

In 2009, the Democrats controlled the House of Representatives, the Senate and the White House. They could have passed whatever health care bill they chose.

The Congressional Progressive Caucus strongly supported a single payer system and strongly opposed the plan being pushed by the President and Sen. Max Baucus... "a mandate for Americans to purchase an insurance plan from a massive new regulatory “exchange"...

The Progressives you claim control the Democratic Party not only couldn't get single payer passed, they couldn't even get a "public option" in the bill.

Instead, the Democratic Party you "claim" has been taken over by Progressives passes a carbon copy of the 1993 Republican health care bill sponsored by Sen. John Chafee, R-R.I., during the Clinton presidency, the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993.

Really? Ha what an idiot you are.

 

[Iceweasel]

The quote is "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". It was a call to public service - for young people to give back to the country which has given them so much. It had nothing to do with "fiscal responsibility" or being given free stuff. You Conservatives keep trying to claim JFK as one of your own and he wasn't.

Furthermore, JFK would be appalled at today's Democratic Party because it has moved so far to the right. That was Clinton's doing. He recognized that in order to get elected, Democrats had to claim the center ground which is where most of the electorate lives. Democrats moved to the right to get Clinton elected, and in response, the Republicans have moved further to the right.

Obama is a right-wing president, by any definition you might want to make. Even Obamacare gives the insurance business a strong boost, as opposed to a public option. The deregulation of Wall Street hasn't been repealed, nor the Patriot Act. The US is still heavily embroiled in the Middle East. At least Obama has wisely kept the US from getting involved in more expensive and wasteful wars.

Yes, I know what the quote is, was it necessary to you to do the whole thing? The fiscal responsibility was his tax cuts. Two concepts there, sorry if I overloaded your brainpower!

The Democrats have been hijacked by leftist progressive and wouldn't recognize it. You are on powerful hallucinogens.

 

[Iceweasel]

This droolcup doesn't realize obasm spends much more.

Curiously the slowest growth in spending occurred when Republicans held the House of Representatives, where all spending bills must originate. Coincidence? I think not.

He only wants to look at the presidents and ignore everything else. Like income.

 

[Unkotare]

he states the black point of view....

He is President of the United States. He is supposed to state the AMERICAN point of view. Not white, not black, not Latino, not Asian; the AMERICAN point of view.

There is not such thing as an "American" point of view. ....

You clearly do not understand the United States of America.

 

[Unkotare]

The point of view of a fundamentalist Christian born into a wealthy family in the South would be completely different from that of a black person who grew up in modest circumstances and had to work hard for every opportunity. Is it any wonder that Obama thinks that Americans need more opportunities, and Mitt Romney thinks that they get too much free stuff already? ...

You just demonstrated a racist, ignorant point of view.

 

[Unkotare]

Is it any wonder that Obama thinks that Americans need more opportunities, and Mitt Romney thinks that they get too much free stuff already? ....

obama was given things all his life, and Romney worked for the fortune he has accumulated. Your racist, class-warfare nonsense holds no water.

 

[Bfgrn]

Verification of my first post (#3)

After the fall of the Soviet Union in the late '80's, the right no longer had the "Red Scare" to propagate, they replaced it with the "socialism/communism/progressive/leftist/green scare"

ZZZZZZzzzzzz.....

If you can't argue the point, ridicule the poster. Typical Progressive bull shit.

This is what happens when you listen to morons like Glenn Beck

And again! Lol!

How about if I prove you wrong?

Your "claim"

PredFan: "The democrats that we used to have some respect for no longer exist. They have been completely destroyed and replaced by Progressives"

FALSE...

In 2009, the Democrats controlled the House of Representatives, the Senate and the White House. They could have passed whatever health care bill they chose.

The Congressional Progressive Caucus strongly supported a single payer system and strongly opposed the plan being pushed by the President and Sen. Max Baucus... "a mandate for Americans to purchase an insurance plan from a massive new regulatory “exchange"...

The Progressives you claim control the Democratic Party not only couldn't get single payer passed, they couldn't even get a "public option" in the bill.

Instead, the Democratic Party you "claim" has been taken over by Progressives passes a carbon copy of the 1993 Republican health care bill sponsored by Sen. John Chafee, R-R.I., during the Clinton presidency, the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993.

Really? Ha what an idiot you are.

If you can't argue the point, ridicule the poster. Typical Progressive right wing bull shit.

 

[Bfgrn]

Is it any wonder that Obama thinks that Americans need more opportunities, and Mitt Romney thinks that they get too much free stuff already? ....

obama was given things all his life, and Romney worked for the fortune he has accumulated. Your racist, class-warfare nonsense holds no water.

WHAT???

The exact OPPOSITE is true. Obama was raised by a middle class single mom and grandparents. Romney's father was the president of America Motors.

So Mitten was not a silver spooner. His dad earned the money he was giving Mitten?

 

[Bfgrn]

The quote is "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". It was a call to public service - for young people to give back to the country which has given them so much. It had nothing to do with "fiscal responsibility" or being given free stuff. You Conservatives keep trying to claim JFK as one of your own and he wasn't.

Furthermore, JFK would be appalled at today's Democratic Party because it has moved so far to the right. That was Clinton's doing. He recognized that in order to get elected, Democrats had to claim the center ground which is where most of the electorate lives. Democrats moved to the right to get Clinton elected, and in response, the Republicans have moved further to the right.

Obama is a right-wing president, by any definition you might want to make. Even Obamacare gives the insurance business a strong boost, as opposed to a public option. The deregulation of Wall Street hasn't been repealed, nor the Patriot Act. The US is still heavily embroiled in the Middle East. At least Obama has wisely kept the US from getting involved in more expensive and wasteful wars.

Yes, I know what the quote is, was it necessary to you to do the whole thing? The fiscal responsibility was his tax cuts. Two concepts there, sorry if I overloaded your brainpower!

The Democrats have been hijacked by leftist progressive and wouldn't recognize it. You are on powerful hallucinogens.

You mean Kennedy's proposed 'demand side' tax cuts based on the Keynesian theory that public consumption spurs economic activity?

Are you talking about John F. Kennedy, the President who proposed and or planned the following:

Medicare
Civil Rights
The War on Poverty

A big part of LBJ's Great Society was started by President Kennedy and the New Frontier.

 

[The Rabbi]

Is it any wonder that Obama thinks that Americans need more opportunities, and Mitt Romney thinks that they get too much free stuff already? ....

obama was given things all his life, and Romney worked for the fortune he has accumulated. Your racist, class-warfare nonsense holds no water.

WHAT???

The exact OPPOSITE is true. Obama was raised by a middle class single mom and grandparents. Romney's father was the president of America Motors.

So Mitten was not a silver spooner. His dad earned the money he was giving Mitten?

You think Romney inherited all his money and never worked? Wrong.
You think Obama worked for whatever he had? Wrong.

It isnt that you dont know anything. It's that whatever you know is wrong.

 

[Iceweasel]

The quote is "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". It was a call to public service - for young people to give back to the country which has given them so much. It had nothing to do with "fiscal responsibility" or being given free stuff. You Conservatives keep trying to claim JFK as one of your own and he wasn't.

Furthermore, JFK would be appalled at today's Democratic Party because it has moved so far to the right. That was Clinton's doing. He recognized that in order to get elected, Democrats had to claim the center ground which is where most of the electorate lives. Democrats moved to the right to get Clinton elected, and in response, the Republicans have moved further to the right.

Obama is a right-wing president, by any definition you might want to make. Even Obamacare gives the insurance business a strong boost, as opposed to a public option. The deregulation of Wall Street hasn't been repealed, nor the Patriot Act. The US is still heavily embroiled in the Middle East. At least Obama has wisely kept the US from getting involved in more expensive and wasteful wars.

Yes, I know what the quote is, was it necessary to you to do the whole thing? The fiscal responsibility was his tax cuts. Two concepts there, sorry if I overloaded your brainpower!

The Democrats have been hijacked by leftist progressive and wouldn't recognize it. You are on powerful hallucinogens.

You mean Kennedy's proposed 'demand side' tax cuts based on the Keynesian theory that public consumption spurs economic activity?

Are you talking about John F. Kennedy, the President who proposed and or planned the following:

Medicare
Civil Rights
The War on Poverty

A big part of LBJ's Great Society was started by President Kennedy and the New Frontier.

Do some research. The Republicans supported the Civil Rights Act and Democrats had to be drug into it. Nixon started the EPA. Tax cuts are tax cuts, you think JFK's are good but the Republican's are bad. You have a toggle switch for a brain.

 

[Bfgrn]

Is it any wonder that Obama thinks that Americans need more opportunities, and Mitt Romney thinks that they get too much free stuff already? ....

obama was given things all his life, and Romney worked for the fortune he has accumulated. Your racist, class-warfare nonsense holds no water.

WHAT???

The exact OPPOSITE is true. Obama was raised by a middle class single mom and grandparents. Romney's father was the president of America Motors.

So Mitten was not a silver spooner. His dad earned the money he was giving Mitten?

You think Romney inherited all his money and never worked? Wrong.
You think Obama worked for whatever he had? Wrong.

It isnt that you dont know anything. It's that whatever you know is wrong.

No, I don't think Romney inherited all his money, but he didn't hit a home run either. He started on 3rd base.

No question Obama worked for everything he has. There was nothing to inherit from his middle class family.

As far as level of success...Barack Obama joined a group of men who include George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.

Mitten joins a group that includes...Michael Dukakis, Al Gore, Thomas E. Dewey and Alfred M. Landon

 

[Iceweasel]

Is it any wonder that Obama thinks that Americans need more opportunities, and Mitt Romney thinks that they get too much free stuff already? ....

obama was given things all his life, and Romney worked for the fortune he has accumulated. Your racist, class-warfare nonsense holds no water.

WHAT???

The exact OPPOSITE is true. Obama was raised by a middle class single mom and grandparents. Romney's father was the president of America Motors.

So Mitten was not a silver spooner. His dad earned the money he was giving Mitten?

You think Romney inherited all his money and never worked? Wrong.
You think Obama worked for whatever he had? Wrong.

It isnt that you dont know anything. It's that whatever you know is wrong.

No, I don't think Romney inherited all his money, but he didn't hit a home run either. He started on 3rd base.

No question Obama worked for everything he has. There was nothing to inherit from his middle class family.

As far as level of success...Barack Obama joined a group of men who include George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.

Mitten joins a group that includes...Michael Dukakis, Al Gore, Thomas E. Dewey and Alfred M. Landon

obama has been a government sponge his whole life. It's all he knows.

We need a president that understands how business works and we need to just laugh at idiots like you that think success in business is somehow a failure.

 

[Seawytch]

Is it any wonder that Obama thinks that Americans need more opportunities, and Mitt Romney thinks that they get too much free stuff already? ....

obama was given things all his life, and Romney worked for the fortune he has accumulated. Your racist, class-warfare nonsense holds no water.

WHAT???

The exact OPPOSITE is true. Obama was raised by a middle class single mom and grandparents. Romney's father was the president of America Motors.

So Mitten was not a silver spooner. His dad earned the money he was giving Mitten?

You think Romney inherited all his money and never worked? Wrong.
You think Obama worked for whatever he had? Wrong.

It isnt that you dont know anything. It's that whatever you know is wrong.

No, I don't think Romney inherited all his money, but he didn't hit a home run either. He started on 3rd base.

No question Obama worked for everything he has. There was nothing to inherit from his middle class family.

As far as level of success...Barack Obama joined a group of men who include George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.

Mitten joins a group that includes...Michael Dukakis, Al Gore, Thomas E. Dewey and Alfred M. Landon

obama has been a government sponge his whole life. It's all he knows.

We need a president that understands how business works and we need to just laugh at idiots like you that think success in business is somehow a failure.

Well, we've had presidents with business experience before. It didn't work out for us very well..

History Shows Businessmen Make Bad Presidents

 

[Iceweasel]

Well, we've had presidents with business experience before. It didn't work out for us very well..

History Shows Businessmen Make Bad Presidents

LOL, yeah, it's working out so well now.

 

[Seawytch]

Well, we've had presidents with business experience before. It didn't work out for us very well..

History Shows Businessmen Make Bad Presidents

LOL, yeah, it's working out so well now.

As a matter of fact, it is. Do you remember 2008 and losing 750,000 jobs a month? Did you know that the United States is experiencing the longest streak of private job growth since it's been recorded? How about that Dow...what was it when President Obama took office?

 

[Bfgrn]

The quote is "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". It was a call to public service - for young people to give back to the country which has given them so much. It had nothing to do with "fiscal responsibility" or being given free stuff. You Conservatives keep trying to claim JFK as one of your own and he wasn't.

Furthermore, JFK would be appalled at today's Democratic Party because it has moved so far to the right. That was Clinton's doing. He recognized that in order to get elected, Democrats had to claim the center ground which is where most of the electorate lives. Democrats moved to the right to get Clinton elected, and in response, the Republicans have moved further to the right.

Obama is a right-wing president, by any definition you might want to make. Even Obamacare gives the insurance business a strong boost, as opposed to a public option. The deregulation of Wall Street hasn't been repealed, nor the Patriot Act. The US is still heavily embroiled in the Middle East. At least Obama has wisely kept the US from getting involved in more expensive and wasteful wars.

Yes, I know what the quote is, was it necessary to you to do the whole thing? The fiscal responsibility was his tax cuts. Two concepts there, sorry if I overloaded your brainpower!

The Democrats have been hijacked by leftist progressive and wouldn't recognize it. You are on powerful hallucinogens.

You mean Kennedy's proposed 'demand side' tax cuts based on the Keynesian theory that public consumption spurs economic activity?

Are you talking about John F. Kennedy, the President who proposed and or planned the following:

Medicare
Civil Rights
The War on Poverty

A big part of LBJ's Great Society was started by President Kennedy and the New Frontier.

Do some research. The Republicans supported the Civil Rights Act and Democrats had to be drug into it. Nixon started the EPA. Tax cuts are tax cuts, you think JFK's are good but the Republican's are bad. You have a toggle switch for a brain.

Maybe you need to do real research and stop parroting faux news...

President John F. Kennedy PROPOSED the Civil Rights Act. President Lyndon B. Johnson pushed the Civil Rights Act through Congress and ultimately SIGNED the Civil Rights Act. NO southern Republicans supported the Civil Rights Act, and few southern Democrats supported the Civil Rights Act.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was proposed by President Kennedy, and pushed for very hard by President Johnson. Northern Republicans like Everett Dirksen certainly helped pass the bill, and to overcome and out-maneuver the "Southern Bloc" of 18 southern Democratic Senators and one Republican Senator led by Richard Russell (D-GA) who launched a filibuster to prevent its passage. But support for the bill was divided along the same lines as the Civil War.

By party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–-87 (7%–-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–-10 (0%–-100%)

Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–-15%)

The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–-20 (5%–-95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–-1 (0%–-100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–-2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–-16%)


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Yes, Richard Nixon started the EPA, and today's Republicans want to end the EPA. That just PROVES MY POINT that the GOP has moved far to the right.


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Tax cuts are NOT tax cuts...

Kennedy's tax cuts were demand side.

JFK’s cuts were deliberately crafted so that the rich wouldn’t be the sole beneficiaries. As the Joint Committee on Internal Revenue Taxation explained at the time, the bottom 85% of the population received 59% of the benefits of Kennedy’s tax cut; the top 2.4% received 17.4% of the tax cut; and the top 0.4% received just 6% of it.

In 1964 Congress passed, and Lyndon Johnson signed into law, a big income-tax cut that had originally been proposed by John F. Kennedy. The top marginal rate dropped from 91 percent to 70 percent, which represented a 23 percent cut. The bottom rate dropped from 20 percent to 14 percent, which represented a 30 percent cut. The middle rates dropped from 59 and 62 percent to 45 percent, which represented a cut of 24 percent to 27 percent.

The 1964 tax cut has been embraced by supply-siders as a supply-side cut, and JFK even sold it that way to big business in a 1962 speech that supply-siders love to quote. But in fact Kennedy, and his chief economist Walter Heller, saw the tax cut as a demand-side cut aimed at creating old-fashioned Keynesian stimulus in a sluggish economy. Indeed, what Kennedy really wanted was to stimulate the economy through government spending, but he didn’t have the votes in Congress for that. So he went with the tax cut instead. The giveaway that Kennedy's wasn’'t really a supply-side tax cut was that the cuts were greater in the middle and at the bottom than at the top. If you want to stimulate consumer purchasing, you’re better off concentrating income-tax cuts in the middle and at the bottom. If you want to stimulate investment, you’re better off concentrating income-tax cuts at the top— or, if that’s politically impossible, you make the cuts the same across the board. Ronald Reagan’s tax cut in 1981 was pretty obviously a supply-side cut because it lowered the top tax rate more than it did rates at the middle or the bottom. After it passed, White House budget chief David Stockman got in a lot of trouble for admitting what was obvious to anyone paying the slightest attention: The only cuts Reagan cared about were those at the top. "It's kind of hard to sell 'trickle down,'" Stockman blurted out to William Greider in the Atlantic, "so the supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy that was really 'trickle down.' Supply-side is 'trickle-down' theory."


"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

 

[zeke]

As a matter of fact, it is. Do you remember 2008 and losing 750,000 jobs a month? Did you know that the United States is experiencing the longest streak of private job growth since it's been recorded? How about that Dow...what was it when President Obama took office?

Ah ha, losers like a Weasel haven't participated in the economic recovery under Obama. A weasel didn't have anything when the collapse happened and has accumulated nothing but hatred and vitriol since Obama was elected.

SO no the loser right wingers on here have had no benefit under Obama and think the Bush economic collapse is still underway. And for them, it is.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Partisans SUCK! Cut, slash and burn and Identity politics both suck !!!!

 

[Wildman]

...it goes that far back....

much further than that, F.D.R. and the Japs