The Cuban Missile Crisis: Kennedy’s “Victory”?

[LA RAM FAN]

LA RAM FAN has a low tolerance for bullshit and revisionist history. I chalk it up to the fact that he has become jaded after the wasted time he has spent trying to awake the indoctrinated masses....with that being said? LRF is absolutely "dead on". USA.INC and their CIA attack dogs had no problem with Castro until he kicked out the multi-national corporations that had been raping, pillaging and exploiting Cuba and the resources that they coveted. The Dulles brothers thought that they could pull another coup like they did in Guatemala in 1953 when the United Fruit company was denied cheap labor and cheap prices on fruit. Guatemala was the first country that the CIA was complicit in regime change.....Iran soon followed when the Shah was installed after Iran refused to allow big oil in to rip them off. The CIA and the military industrial complex came up with the idea for Operation Northwoods where they would use a false flag event to blame Cuba for and then justify an invasion. Castro really had no other choice but find an ally that had the muscle to keep USA.INC off of their door-step.

The irony in all of this was that Wall Street and the western banking oligarchs funded the Bolshevik revolution and built the USSR into a formidable foe using our sweat equity to move their fiat currency thus giving it "value". JFK had a balancing act to perform. He had to confront the missile sites in Cuba (courtesy of the USSR) while not letting on that the controllers of USA.INC were behind this "Cold War" charade. The CIA and the Operation Mockingbird media tried to claim that JFK was going "soft" on communism and represented a security risk and many of the sheeple ate it up. JFK, in spite of his faults and shortcomings, did the right thing and was working on exposing the deep underbelly of the corruption and power funded by the central bankers that has used our military as a hammer and every third world country was seen as a nail that lacked the ability to fend them off. JFK was the last president that actually took on the establishment....is Trump and the white hats picking up the torch? Only time will tell but I am only going to give Trump another few months to prove that he has.

Exactly dale,political chic mushroom,Whitehall and doc don’t know anything but to post bullshit. They can’t stand toe to toe in a debate,they don’t have any answers for these facts I have posted or these excellent facts you posted as well.Right gipper

They won’t bother reading dales excellent post because they want to rewrite history and have no interest in the facts how it was the cia that was responsible for the deaths of the Cubans instead of kennedy so they won’t touch this excellent post for yours,the cat has got their tongue.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

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"The "Camelot Fairy tales" of Kennedy’s court scribes (with their adoring media cohorts of the time) concocted about JFK’s Pattonesque handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis (56 years ago this week) prevail in media/academic circles even today."
You fail to remember that JFK pulled out all support especially air support for the Cuban Freedom fighters attacking Castro's Cuba.
The blame for the failure of the operation falls directly in the lap of the CIA and JFK along with his advisors. The fallout from the invasion caused a rise in tension between the two great superpowers and ironically 57 years after the event, the person that the invasion meant to topple, Fidel Castro and his brother Rauol, is still in power. To understand the origins of the invasion and its ramifications for the future it is first necessary to look at the invasion and its origins.
#4: Kennedy’s Failure at the Bay of Pigs (Top 10 Mistakes by U.S. Presidents) | Britannica Blog

Question: Who were Thomas 'Pete' Ray and Leo Baker and what of their deaths during the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion?

Britannia blog what a joke source.

 

[SavannahMann]

The Cuban Missile Crisis: Kennedy’s “Victory”?​

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/208...mberto-fontova
That Khrushchev swept the floor with Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis was mainstream conservative conclusion throughout much of the Cold War. Richard Nixon and Barry Goldwater, for instance, represented opposite poles of the Republican establishment of their time.... Even Democratic luminary Dean Acheson despaired: "This nation lacks leadership," he grumbled about the famous “Ex-Comm meetings” so glorified in the movie Thirteen Days.... "We locked Castro's communism into Latin America and threw away the key to its removal," growled Barry Goldwater about the JFK’s Missile Crisis “solution.”... "Kennedy pulled defeat out of the jaws of victory,” complained Richard Nixon. "Then gave the Soviets squatters rights in our backyard.".. Generals Curtis Le May and Maxwell Taylor represented opposite poles of the military establishment.... JFK's Missile Crisis “solution” also pledged that he immediately pull the rug out from under Cuba's in-house freedom fighters. Raul Castro himself admitted that at the time of the Missile Crisis his troops and their Soviet advisors were up against 179 different "bands of bandits" as he labeled the thousands of Cuban anti-Communist rebels then battling savagely and virtually alone in Cuba's countryside, with small arms shipments from their compatriots in south Florida as their only lifeline...Kennedy's deal with Khrushchev cut this lifeline. This ferocious guerrilla war, waged 90 miles from America's shores, might have taken place on the planet Pluto for all you'll read about it in the mainstream media and all you'll learn about it from Kennedy’s court scribes, who scribbled Kennedy’s Missile-Crisis “victory.” To get an idea of the odds faced by those betrayed Cuban rebels, the desperation of their battle and the damage they wrought, you might revisit Tony Montana during the last 15 minutes of "Scarface."

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On the Fifty Seventh (57th) anniversary of the "Bay of Pigs" debacle, imagine Obama's term with no Fox News, internet, social media or talk radio. Imagine press conferences where the reverence and adulation for Sarah Huckabee Sanders surpasses anything Hillary Clinton gets as a guest on The View. That’s about what JFK and his press secretary Pierre Salinger enjoyed. Tragically, the "Camelot Fairy tales" of Kennedy’s court scribes (with their adoring media cohorts of the time) concocted about JFK’s Pattonesque handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis (56 years ago this week) prevail in media/academic circles even today.
Who remembers "Alpha 66" and who of the Progressive Left wants to recognize that JFK's legacy began with the "Bay of Pigs" debacle and his surrender to Nakita Khrushchev during the following "Cuban Crisis".
While studying US foreign policy in college this was hailed as a great victory for the US. As I've read more on the subject the article is spot on. It was a complete loss for us. We have complete nuclear and conventional superiority over the Russians and Cubans. JFK withdrew some missiles from Turkey and Italy in exchange for the Russians pulling theirs from Cuba....with a promise not to invade Cuba. In a complete reversal of the Monroe Doctrine we allowed a foreign power a base of operations in our backyard. Part of the mess of the 60s in Latin and South American can be attributed to that.
So much for the gallant Knights of Camelot forcing the Russians’ retreat. In fact, the Castro brothers and Che Guevara’s genocidal lust is what prompted the Butcher of Budapest to yank the missiles from their reach.
Considering the U.S. nuclear superiority over the Soviets at the time of the (so-called) Missile Crisis (five thousand nuclear warheads for us, three hundred for them) it's hard to imagine a President Nixon — much less Reagan — quaking in front of Khrushchev's transparent ruse a la Kennedy.
The global propaganda machine has been alive and well for a very, very long time. It is infuriating.
Cuba and Cubans could be free today but for JFK and his brothers RFK and Teddy did not want the US to seem to be invading a small, poor nation. The Bay of Pigs disaster was a pretty big failure of nerve and ego. The U.S. had a whole fleet sitting offshore watching the freedom fighters get butchered and did nothing to help them. Castro knew every detail of that landing. I think someone at State (Progressive Marxist Socialist) leaked the info and our guys were slaughtered

Several things. First. There was a lot we didn’t know at the time, which we now know. And if we had invaded Cuba we would have kicked off World War 3. No doubt. There were short range tactical Nukes in Cuba intended to be used in case of an invasion. Imagine it. The Marines storm ashore and vanish in a bright ball of light and fire.

The Invasion might succeed afterwards, but it would be moot.

Additionally. The Soviets had put Nuclear Torpedoes on their submarines. If we had fired on them for real they would have responded. And that response would have been catastrophic.

The Submarines in question nearly fired their torpedoes as it was from being forced to surface. We now know they had the torpedoes in the tubes and ready to fire as they surfaced. The captains had decided to fire if a boarding party started over.

The Crisis cost us an irreplaceable source for intelligence in Moscow. He was rushed to get the information out and was noticed by the KGB. His death prevented more information from getting out.

 

[SavannahMann]

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Question: Why would Eisenhower the man who planned the greatest invasion this planet has ever seen, the 'Normandy D-Day Invasion' create such a shoddy invasion of Cuba? It appears that the plans for the Cuban invasion were screwed up after the fact when Kennedy became president. As it was, there were destroyers and at least one carrier group 50 miles off shore. Who called off the air cover and close air support?

Kennedy told the CIA he didn’t want the Americans to invade. The CIA and Joint Chiefs swore the Cubans could do it on their own. They knew this was not the case. They promised that the Cuban people would rise up. Again. Not true.

When the truth was exposed within the first few hours Kennedy refused to change his mind. And can you blame him?

Let’s say you come to me and say you can accomplish a task with a million dollars and ten people. I agree. And then almost immediately you tell me you need another nine million and fifteen more people. Where do I draw the line? Where do I say no more.

The CIA and Joint Chiefs figured they could manipulate Kennedy into thinking in for a penny. Kennedy was serious when he said no. The Chiefs learned. Kennedy was not going to be manipulated so easily.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

OK, so in addition to being into partisan politics, I guess you are into conspiracy theories.

You know, there are areas in here for that kind of stuff. Neither one is "history".

Imprimatur Ut Imperemus. "Whatever Is Published Increases Elitist Tyranny."

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Exactly dale,political chic mushroom,Whitehall and doc don’t know anything but to post bullshit. They can’t stand toe to toe in a debate,they don’t have any answers for these facts I have posted or these excellent facts you posted as well.Right gipper

They won’t bother reading dales excellent post because they want to rewrite history and have no interest in the facts how it was the cia that was responsible for the deaths of the Cubans instead of kennedy so they won’t touch this excellent post for yours,the cat has got their tongue.

The Road to Perdition Is Patrician

The spoiled and massively destructive sons of the Plutocracy get off once again. The mindless superstition is that God must love them more than us because He made them born rich.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Kennedy told the CIA he didn’t want the Americans to invade. The CIA and Joint Chiefs swore the Cubans could do it on their own. They knew this was not the case. They promised that the Cuban people would rise up. Again. Not true.

When the truth was exposed within the first few hours Kennedy refused to change his mind. And can you blame him?

Let’s say you come to me and say you can accomplish a task with a million dollars and ten people. I agree. And then almost immediately you tell me you need another nine million and fifteen more people. Where do I draw the line? Where do I say no more.

The CIA and Joint Chiefs figured they could manipulate Kennedy into thinking in for a penny. Kennedy was serious when he said no. The Chiefs learned. Kennedy was not going to be manipulated so easily.

well done. However I am afraid you are just talking to a brick wall who wants to rewrite history only seeing his own point of view.when you try to explain this to him and pc,it just goes through one ear and out the other with them.

Thats what i was trying to explain to the dumbass earlier SavannahMann that the CIA lied to Kennedy about the invasion.They assured him no military involvement would be needed knowing full well that it WOULD be needed to succeed.They were hoping they could trick kennedy into invading and would order an all out invasion but he stood his ground and did not send in any military refusing to give them what they wanted. As I told the dumbass and fellow dumbass PoliticalChic as well earlier before,Kennedy INHERITED the bay of pigs invasion.The plan was already drawn up under Eisenhower.Kennedy did not want to invade just like you said so well.

The plan the CIA presented Kennedy was vastly different than the one they presented to Eisenhower.The one they presented to Eisenhower was designed to succeed where the one they presented to kennedy was designed to fail,the CIA and the joint chiefs assured kennedy no military involvement would be needed knowing FULL WELL for the plan to succeed Military involvement WAS critical so they tried to trick him into ordering an invasion but he would not.

After the CIA and the joint chiefs lied to him about the invasion,Kennedy fired Allen Dulles of the CIA and wisely stopped listening to them and the military and started listening to his aides instead. Thank god we had the bay of pigs disaster because he learned not to listen to them anymore after that and it turned out to be pivitol during the cuban missile crisis.

This dumbass says that had Nixon been elected there never would have been a cuban missile crisis ignoring Kennedy inherited that from Eisenhower as well. Ignoring it started because NATO provoked Russia into it by aiming missiles at turkey FIRST when Eisenhower was in office That is something our corrupt school system does not teach in their history classes so enough of this babble bullshit nonsense that there never would have been a cuban missile crisis had Nixon been elected.

Not only would there have still been a cuban missile crisis thanks to the actions of Eisenhower putting those missiles in turkey provoking the Russians,Nixon had he been elected,he would have gone in and BOMBED cuba which would have ignited world war 3. He even said that later when he became president that he would have gone and bombed them.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Me and Dale took the op to school after he tried to rewrite history checkmating his ass but him and pc they ignore my posts and dales post sense it does not go along with their version of events on kennedy.talking to those two dumbasses is the same thing as talking to a brick wall,it goes through one ear and out the other.


Here are the REAL facts about the bay of pigs invasion you never hear about from the CIA controlled media or from our textbooks in our corrupt school system.

Nixon never publicly voiced any suspicions that CIA/Mafia assassins recruited to kill Cuban leader Fidel Castro might have murdered President John Kennedy. In fact, Nixon never admitted that as vice president he was in charge of the early Bay of Pigs invasion plan and associated CIA-Mafia plots to kill Castro. Rather, he was on record as a strong supporter of the Warren Commission’s finding that the crime of the twentieth century was the work of a lone Communist nut, Lee Harvey Oswald—and that this nut was silenced by another lone nut, Jack Ruby, acting out of patriotism.

Robert Kennedy’s first thoughts about who might be responsible were entirely different. In the immediate wake of his brother’s assassination in Dallas, the attorney general suspected CIA- Mob involvement.

Kennedy learned the identity of Howard Hughes operative—and onetime Nixon dirty trickster— Robert Maheu when he was told about the Maheu-arranged CIA-Mafia murder conspiracy against Castro. Hughes expert Michael Drosin reports that RFK was “shocked. Not about the failed attempt to kill Castro, which he and his brother almost certainly approved in advance, but about the CIA’s choice of hit men. Especially Giancana.” RFK knew that if the mob was involved in a political plot, it was likely with the CIA’s endorsement.

 

[Dayton3]

he would have done,he would have started world war three

What's wrong with that? We would've kicked their (Russians) asses.

 

[SavannahMann]

well done. However I am afraid you are just talking to a brick wall who wants to rewrite history only seeing his own point of view.when you try to explain this to him and pc,it just goes through one ear and out the other with them.

Thats what i was trying to explain to the dumbass earlier SavannahMann that the CIA lied to Kennedy about the invasion.They assured him no military involvement would be needed knowing full well that it WOULD be needed to succeed.They were hoping they could trick kennedy into invading and would order an all out invasion but he stood his ground and did not send in any military refusing to give them what they wanted. As I told the dumbass and fellow dumbass PoliticalChic as well earlier before,Kennedy INHERITED the bay of pigs invasion.The plan was already drawn up under Eisenhower.Kennedy did not want to invade just like you said so well.

The plan the CIA presented Kennedy was vastly different than the one they presented to Eisenhower.The one they presented to Eisenhower was designed to succeed where the one they presented to kennedy was designed to fail,the CIA and the joint chiefs assured kennedy no military involvement would be needed knowing FULL WELL for the plan to succeed Military involvement WAS critical so they tried to trick him into ordering an invasion but he would not.

After the CIA and the joint chiefs lied to him about the invasion,Kennedy fired Allen Dulles of the CIA and wisely stopped listening to them and the military and started listening to his aides instead. Thank god we had the bay of pigs disaster because he learned not to listen to them anymore after that and it turned out to be pivitol during the cuban missile crisis.

This dumbass says that had Nixon been elected there never would have been a cuban missile crisis ignoring Kennedy inherited that from Eisenhower as well. Ignoring it started because NATO provoked Russia into it by aiming missiles at turkey FIRST when Eisenhower was in office That is something our corrupt school system does not teach in their history classes so enough of this babble bullshit nonsense that there never would have been a cuban missile crisis had Nixon been elected.

Not only would there have still been a cuban missile crisis thanks to the actions of Eisenhower putting those missiles in turkey provoking the Russians,Nixon had he been elected,he would have gone in and BOMBED cuba which would have ignited world war 3. He even said that later when he became president that he would have gone and bombed them.

Not exactly accurate. When the Missiles were placed in Europe and Turkey we didn’t have any long range intercontinental missiles. We didn’t have any for some time. However the rate of advancement was so fast that often the weapons systems were obsolete before they were fielded. An example, the guided missiles we fielded before we had a true ballistic missile submarine.

USS Halibut (SSGN-587) - Wikipedia

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By the time Halibut was operational, the entire thing was moot since we now had Ballistic Missile Submarines coming online.

The Jupiter Missiles were a stop gap, and by the time the Soviets were putting Missiles in Cuba, we had already declared them missiles as obsolete and announced we were removing them from Turkey and Western Europe. We didn’t have another one ready yet, but we did have longer range missiles including the Titans coming online. We were moving away from theater ballistic missiles.

The Navy was moving to Polaris and the land based in Europe and Turkey were obsolete. The Navy wanted solid fueled and low maintenance systems.

Before the first Soviet Missile arrived in Cuba we were already looking to shut down the entire program.

The reason for Cuba was the truth. For Russians to have Ballistic Missile Submarines you have to trust the crews. Trust is a foreign idea to the Soviets. They have to surrender control of the missiles to Naval Officers. On Land others can keep an eye on the people around the missiles. At sea, it is a different story.

No KGB guards on the warheads. No direct line to superiors to double check any orders. The Submarine crew is in control.

The safety of the missiles in Cuba was obvious. Soviet Officers and KGB types keeping an eye on it. Zampolit examining every person and every action to make sure it is proper and authorized.

But mostly the decision to deploy the missiles to Cuba was to cover up the realities of the Soviet System. We were told they would turn out Missiles like Sausages. In reality they didn’t have nearly as much as they wanted everyone to believe. America already had a commanding lead in numbers and with the Titans and Polaris, quality.

The truth is the decision to base the missiles in Cuba actually delayed the decommissioning of the Jupiter Missiles by months or years.

The mistake that the Soviets made was to lie about it. We announced our decision months ahead of time when we we well along with the planning. By making it a secret the Soviets were caught lying. And that is never a good place to be.

 

[Mushroom]

The deaths of the Cuban freedom fighters lies at the doorstep of JFK. Castro captured over 1,000 wo later died in the Isles of Pines prison.
That cannot be changed.

Of course, he had only been in office for less than 4 months when that happened. An operation entirely planned by the Eisenhower administration. Yet apparently to you this is entirely blamed on JFK, and not on Ike at all.

You are aware of this, right? That it was Ike that ordered Dulles to plan and execute the operation, and one of the key planners was E. Howard Hunt. That a lot of the CIA plans by that time had moved from supporting a group of Cubans liberating their own country into an actual US puppet invasion with the US Air Force and Navy and Marines participating? Which even the Joint Chiefs of Staff was trying to resist as it could not be denied that the US was taking an active part of the attempted revolution so he agreed and stripped out all of the direct US support.

Like using B-26 bombers, and Naval Fighters to support the operation. And having the Marines help secure the beachhead and the air base they planned on capturing and enlarging in the jungle. He simply stripped out the part the US would have taken in direct assistance. Ultimately, the plan should have been scrapped long before, because even Ike was having second thoughts as the CIA moved it more and more away from the original intent of supporting Cubans in taking their country back and into an actual US invasion.

 

[Mushroom]

The Jupiter Missiles were a stop gap, and by the time the Soviets were putting Missiles in Cuba, we had already declared them missiles as obsolete and announced we were removing them from Turkey and Western Europe. We didn’t have another one ready yet, but we did have longer range missiles including the Titans coming online. We were moving away from theater ballistic missiles.

The Navy was moving to Polaris and the land based in Europe and Turkey were obsolete. The Navy wanted solid fueled and low maintenance systems.

Before the first Soviet Missile arrived in Cuba we were already looking to shut down the entire program.

But the missiles there did set a precedent, as to the Soviets if we could put MRBM missiles in a country on their border, they felt it gave them the right to place their own MRBMs in a country on our border.

Yes the Jupiter was being phased out. As the LRBM and ICBM was about to make those "obsolete". But the US did make the first move, putting nuclear missiles there in 1961. And just because something is obsolete, that does not mean it was worthless or not kept in service. And if not for the deal in October 1982, they likely would have remained in place much longer than their actual 1963 end date.

After all, the Pershing Ia was also obsolete within two years of it being deployed in 1969. Yet we still kept them in service in West Germany and Europe until they were eliminated by the INF treaty in 1991. A perfect example of an "obsolete missile" still being fielded for another 2 decades. And if not for the October Agreement, I can see the US turning those Jupiter missiles and sites (without the nuclear warheads) over to Turkey. Even with conventional warheads, they could throw a punch of of a ton and a half of high explosives.

Not much unlike the SCUD missile of the era, which is still in use to this day. Little more than an "Improved V2", they are long obsolete but still used on the battlefield well over half a century after they became "obsolete".

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Of course, he had only been in office for less than 4 months when that happened. An operation entirely planned by the Eisenhower administration. Yet apparently to you this is entirely blamed on JFK, and not on Ike at all.

You are aware of this, right? That it was Ike that ordered Dulles to plan and execute the operation, and one of the key planners was E. Howard Hunt. That a lot of the CIA plans by that time had moved from supporting a group of Cubans liberating their own country into an actual US puppet invasion with the US Air Force and Navy and Marines participating? Which even the Joint Chiefs of Staff was trying to resist as it could not be denied that the US was taking an active part of the attempted revolution so he agreed and stripped out all of the direct US support.

Like using B-26 bombers, and Naval Fighters to support the operation. And having the Marines help secure the beachhead and the air base they planned on capturing and enlarging in the jungle. He simply stripped out the part the US would have taken in direct assistance. Ultimately, the plan should have been scrapped long before, because even Ike was having second thoughts as the CIA moved it more and more away from the original intent of supporting Cubans in taking their country back and into an actual US invasion.

The Cubans Had Never Been Capable of Governing Themselves

The Monroe Doctrine mandated a complete takeover of the Soviets' Cuban colony. We also disobeyed it in 1898 only because of the Christofascists' anti-Catholic prejudice. Plus the fact that the anti-growth Northeast Establishment had opposed American expansion for over a hundred years. Their brainwashing influence is what fooled Americans into believing that Trump's offer to save the Greenlanders from the small-minded Danish pastry-patsies was an off-the-wall idea.

 

[Mushroom]

The Cubans Had Never Been Capable of Governing Themselves

OK, thank you for that Mister Racist.

Tell me, are you the Grand Master of the UMB chapter of the KKK? Because that is one of the most racist things I have read outside of StormFront.

Maybe you should take those kinds of beliefs there, because they do not belong in rational conversation otherwise.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

well done. However I am afraid you are just talking to a brick wall who wants to rewrite history only seeing his own point of view.when you try to explain this to him and pc,it just goes through one ear and out the other with them.

Thats what i was trying to explain to the dumbass earlier SavannahMann that the CIA lied to Kennedy about the invasion.They assured him no military involvement would be needed knowing full well that it WOULD be needed to succeed.They were hoping they could trick kennedy into invading and would order an all out invasion but he stood his ground and did not send in any military refusing to give them what they wanted. As I told the dumbass and fellow dumbass PoliticalChic as well earlier before,Kennedy INHERITED the bay of pigs invasion.The plan was already drawn up under Eisenhower.Kennedy did not want to invade just like you said so well.

The plan the CIA presented Kennedy was vastly different than the one they presented to Eisenhower.The one they presented to Eisenhower was designed to succeed where the one they presented to kennedy was designed to fail,the CIA and the joint chiefs assured kennedy no military involvement would be needed knowing FULL WELL for the plan to succeed Military involvement WAS critical so they tried to trick him into ordering an invasion but he would not.

After the CIA and the joint chiefs lied to him about the invasion,Kennedy fired Allen Dulles of the CIA and wisely stopped listening to them and the military and started listening to his aides instead. Thank god we had the bay of pigs disaster because he learned not to listen to them anymore after that and it turned out to be pivitol during the cuban missile crisis.

This dumbass says that had Nixon been elected there never would have been a cuban missile crisis ignoring Kennedy inherited that from Eisenhower as well. Ignoring it started because NATO provoked Russia into it by aiming missiles at turkey FIRST when Eisenhower was in office That is something our corrupt school system does not teach in their history classes so enough of this babble bullshit nonsense that there never would have been a cuban missile crisis had Nixon been elected.

Not only would there have still been a cuban missile crisis thanks to the actions of Eisenhower putting those missiles in turkey provoking the Russians,Nixon had he been elected,he would have gone in and BOMBED cuba which would have ignited world war 3. He even said that later when he became president that he would have gone and bombed them.

Troll boy sage has an obsession with me,he dismisses facts as fake news only when I say something he reacts but never reacts to others posts.

 

[Doc7505]

As always you prove what a dumbass you are on your knowledge of jfk same as fellow dumbass pc.no the deaths lie at the hands of the cia sense they lied to kennedy on everything about the invasion with the plan they presented to him vastly differerent than the one they presented to Eisenhower designed to succeed under him where it was designed to fail under kennedy. Kennedy worked with wahsts his name from Russia in back channel discussions their military’s did not know about which diverted the Cuban missile crisis,our government provoked Russia by having missiles aimed at turkey w before kennedy even took office so stop proving what a dumbass you are to day there would have been no nuclear war had Nixon been in office. Thank god for the bay of pigs cause kennedy learned after that to not trust the military anymore so he ignored their recommendations to bomb cuba as they wanted him to by wisely listening to his aides instead of them,as always you suck on your facts about jfk same as you do on Reagan,


Not only would the Cuban missile crisis have happened with Nixon,he would have started ww 3 because again he would have bombed Cuba as the military wanted him to dumbass,god you so much suck at debating facts on kennedy and Reagan.same as pc


The plan the CIA presented to Eisenhower on the bay of pigs invasion that kennedy inherited from him was vastly differerent than the one they presented to kennedy,it was designed to succeed where the one they presented to kennedy was designed to fail.the cia assured him no military involvement would be needed fir the invasion,they lied to him about everything dumbass.the CIA they thought their boy Nixon was going to get elected,so when he was vp under Eisenhower,they presented a plan to Ike Nixon was aware of that was designed to succeed.Nixon was loved by the cia because he ran covert operations for the cia as Vice President thst Eisenhower was not even aware of.Nixon kissed the ass of the cia so they were not happy when he did not get elected dumbass,right gipper tell these two dumbass clowns pc and doc that.

Where's your evidence to back up that screed?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Dumbasses sage and doc continue to dismiss facts as fake news gipper

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Where's your evidence to back up that screed?

There’s at least two documented books on it,can’t remember them but gipper might

 

[LA RAM FAN]

LA RAM FAN has a low tolerance for bullshit and revisionist history. I chalk it up to the fact that he has become jaded after the wasted time he has spent trying to awake the indoctrinated masses....with that being said? LRF is absolutely "dead on". USA.INC and their CIA attack dogs had no problem with Castro until he kicked out the multi-national corporations that had been raping, pillaging and exploiting Cuba and the resources that they coveted. The Dulles brothers thought that they could pull another coup like they did in Guatemala in 1953 when the United Fruit company was denied cheap labor and cheap prices on fruit. Guatemala was the first country that the CIA was complicit in regime change.....Iran soon followed when the Shah was installed after Iran refused to allow big oil in to rip them off. The CIA and the military industrial complex came up with the idea for Operation Northwoods where they would use a false flag event to blame Cuba for and then justify an invasion. Castro really had no other choice but find an ally that had the muscle to keep USA.INC off of their door-step.

The irony in all of this was that Wall Street and the western banking oligarchs funded the Bolshevik revolution and built the USSR into a formidable foe using our sweat equity to move their fiat currency thus giving it "value". JFK had a balancing act to perform. He had to confront the missile sites in Cuba (courtesy of the USSR) while not letting on that the controllers of USA.INC were behind this "Cold War" charade. The CIA and the Operation Mockingbird media tried to claim that JFK was going "soft" on communism and represented a security risk and many of the sheeple ate it up. JFK, in spite of his faults and shortcomings, did the right thing and was working on exposing the deep underbelly of the corruption and power funded by the central bankers that has used our military as a hammer and every third world country was seen as a nail that lacked the ability to fend them off. JFK was the last president that actually took on the establishment....is Trump and the white hats picking up the torch? Only time will tell but I am only going to give Trump another few months to prove that he has.

This is the best damn post on this thread where dale took you to school in post#19 on the first page that yiu have failed to refute, but like the trollboy you are,you laugh off facts when you can’t counter them.sense you can’t handle facts you probably next arre going to tell me oswald was the lone assassin of jfk. i know fellow dumbass political chic believes that shit which is no surprise she ignores that Obama expanded the corruption her hero bush got started.

 

[Doc7505]

OK, thank you for that Mister Racist.

Tell me, are you the Grand Master of the UMB chapter of the KKK? Because that is one of the most racist things I have read outside of StormFront.

Maybe you should take those kinds of beliefs there, because they do not belong in rational conversation otherwise.

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The Bay of Pigs

On April 17, 1961, 1,400 Cuban exiles launched what became a botched invasion at the Bay of Pigs on the south coast of Cuba.

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Quote-- The CIA had used obsolete World War II B-26 bombers, and painted them to look like Cuban air force planes. The bombers missed many of their targets and left most of Castro's air force intact. As news broke of the attack, photos of the repainted U.S. planes became public and revealed American support for the invasion. President Kennedy cancelled a second air strike.

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