The crux of Ukrainian issue

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I thought you had not heard of a propeller, instead just "things at the back go roundy-roundy", your words not mine.

Easy to make piece if you can step in and force the smaller country to give the invading Russians what they want, especially if you thought the invasion was "brilliant" move on Russia's part, from the beginning. Everybody always knew Rump was a Putin-Puffer.
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Your crystal ball must be working overtime as nothing has been decided yet regarding territory as far as we know. Why not avoid jumping to conclusions like the true liberal you are hiding.

BTW, the word is "peace".

 

[Hellokitty]

Easy to make piece if you can step in and force the smaller country to give the invading Russians what they want, especially if you thought the invasion was "brilliant" move on Russia's part, from the beginning. Everybody always knew Rump was a Putin-Puffer.

How is TRUMP forcing Ukraine to do anything? I thought the UK and France were going to take things over and fund the war?

 

[Lesh]

You never heard of a propellor?

As is normal, your assessment is clouded by your TDS. He's making peace the only way it can be done. Seek treatment!

So you liked having your propeller serviced?

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

 

[Couchpotato]

All true, but my preference is we continue to be in a good guy leadership position in the world, and not aligned with Russia, China, North Korea, or any of the despot or communist countries. I just cannot support, that which I knowingly and righteously trained to fight against.

Not funding Ukraine isn't support of Russia, China, NK etc. Buying all of China's shit is. Buying Russian oil is (Europe still buys half of Russian oil and NG). They imported a record 16.5 million metric tons of LNG last year. Also if you believe which I do that Ukraine is currently fighting a war it cant win and only thing giving them more money and weapons will support is more dead Ukrainians and likely them losing more territory, is it the "right thing to do" to keep doing that?

If that is what you wish to support, that's on you. Though, I don't think much of your knowledge, judgment, or decision-making. Makes you sound like one of the blind (anything trump says) trumpers or someone unfamiliar with the history of those countries or the world.

What I support is the end of this conflict which I do not think Ukraine can win. We (the US and the west) lead Ukraine down this path. We pushed and pushed for this war. Then once it started we pushed Ukraine to not accept the peace deal they had agreed to with Russia 2 weeks into the conflict. It would seem the person who needs a history lesson is you.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Russia will give up territory only if forced to; only the US military has the capacity to apply that force.

Is it in the best interest of the US to go to war with Russia as a means to end the war in Ukraine.
That's been the question since day 1.
And the answer, since day 1, has been "no".

 

[Delldude]

I am disagreeing with the folks that say, Ukraine cannot defend against Russia, if that is what they continue to want to do, and they continue to get the weapons and material support, either from US and EU or just the EU, for that matter, if the US decides it really is time to give up supporting democracies and the rule of law in international treaty, in the world. Obviously these are things, the US historically supported under Republican and Democrat leadership, though Republicans are not what they used to be.

He's running out of fresh warm bodies. EU may be dumb enough to put NATO boots on the ground.

'peace keepers'

 

[White 6]

Your crystal ball must be working overtime as nothing has been decided yet regarding territory as far as we know. Why not avoid jumping to conclusions like the true liberal you are hiding.

BTW, the word is "peace".

Oh, are you saying, under the trump plan, Ukraine gets to keep the borders they had before the Russian Invasion? Where did you get this idea?

 

[White 6]

Not funding Ukraine isn't support of Russia, China, NK etc. Buying all of China's shit is. Buying Russian oil is (Europe still buys half of Russian oil and NG). They imported a record 16.5 million metric tons of LNG last year. Also if you believe which I do that Ukraine is currently fighting a war it cant win and only thing giving them more money and weapons will support is more dead Ukrainians and likely them losing more territory, is it the "right thing to do" to keep doing that?



What I support is the end of this conflict which I do not think Ukraine can win. We (the US and the west) lead Ukraine down this path. We pushed and pushed for this war. Then once it started we pushed Ukraine to not accept the peace deal they had agreed to with Russia 2 weeks into the conflict. It would seem the person who needs a history lesson is you.

I forgot how touchy-feely Trumpers have become. I had plenty of patriotic conservatives in the various commands I had or was member of, but very few getting out on touchy feely humanitarian ground, actually none as I remember.

It is up to the Ukrainians to decide the point at which they choose to knuckle under to the Russian invaders. Their human losses have truly been great, though the toll on the Russian invaders has been close to twice as much, as Russia keeps sending them, as they drag people young and old off their streets and out of their prisons for sacrifice on the Ukrainian front. I really do not give a rats ass about Russian losses of personnel. I predict, if Russia left Ukraine, Ukrainians would be glad to quit killing Russians. This does not comport with your sensibilities, as you support appeasement at any price, to stop the bloodshed. Not my concern, as not my blood. Ukraine is free to decide, and I would be glad to see my tax dollars stand for freedom from hostile invasion of a dictator (formerly communist) country, historically and presently an enemy of free republics, just as they were, when they invaded Afghanistan and had to be kicked out by the Afghannis, with our material support.

 

[White 6]

He's running out of fresh warm bodies. EU may be dumb enough to put NATO boots on the ground.

'peace keepers'

Human losses are (I am sure) a factor, even though the body count of Russian losses on their adventurist, illegal invasion of Ukraine, far exceed Ukrainian human losses. It is a fact, Ukraine being a much smaller country has far smaller reserves, available for military enlistment.

I am not in favor of EU putting boots on the ground. I am even less enthusiastic of the North Korean boots on the ground, Russia is having to supplement its forces with, as the Russian jails and mental institutional reserves dry up.

 

[Delldude]

Human losses are (I am sure) a factor, even though the body count of Russian losses on their adventurist, illegal invasion of Ukraine, far exceed Ukrainian human losses. It is a fact, Ukraine being a much smaller country has far smaller reserves, available for military enlistment.

I am not in favor of EU putting boots on the ground. I am even less enthusiastic of the North Korean boots on the ground, Russia is having to supplement its forces with, as the Russian jails and mental institutional reserves dry up.

There's a point of no return now or very soon. I think this clown has a 'fight to the last man' mentality, which is all the more reason to get NATO boots, one way or another. Only way Z can defeat Russia is through NATO. IMO, a false flag attack on NATO peacekeepers is a real concern.

As for negotiations, that's up to whomever agrees to or doesn't agree to whatever the outcome from the talks, I have no chit in the game.

For me, I think this whole debacle was the end result of long term US hanky panky poking the Bear in the ass....using Ukraine as an excuse.

 

[White 6]

There's a point of no return now or very soon. I think this clown has a 'fight to the last man' mentality, which is all the more reason to get NATO boots, one way or another. Only way Z can defeat Russia is through NATO. IMO, a false flag attack on NATO peacekeepers is a real concern.

As for negotiations, that's up to whomever agrees to or doesn't agree to whatever the outcome from the talks, I have no chit in the game.

For me, I think this whole debacle was the end result of long term US hanky panky poking the Bear in the ass....using Ukraine as an excuse.

Altogether, I regard that as a reasonable evaluation. I still support Ukraine in it's decision, and am totally understanding of reasons the EU and the rest of NATO supports Ukraine, even though the US does not share a terrain navigable border with a possibly invasion bent Russia. I realize, the "Cold War" was not won, as the enemy did not change intentions or tactics, only time frames, remaining a threat to Europe and NATO, the west simply declaring victory, real or imagined.

 

[JWBooth]

There's a point of no return now or very soon. I think this clown has a 'fight to the last man' mentality, which is all the more reason to get NATO boots, one way or another. Only way Z can defeat Russia is through NATO. IMO, a false flag attack on NATO peacekeepers is a real concern.

As for negotiations, that's up to whomever agrees to or doesn't agree to whatever the outcome from the talks, I have no chit in the game.

For me, I think this whole debacle was the end result of long term US hanky panky poking the Bear in the ass....using Ukraine as an excuse.

Z isn’t going to be remembered in the same way as Travis when his Alamo time comes.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Oh, are you saying, under the trump plan, Ukraine gets to keep the borders they had before the Russian Invasion? Where did you get this idea?

It has not been negotiated yet.

 

[White 6]

It has not been negotiated yet.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

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If you have evidence otherwise, we are all ears, but you know you are lying or incredibly misinformed.

 

[White 6]

If you have evidence otherwise, we are all ears, but you know you are lying or incredibly misinformed.

What part of We'll see, did you not understand?

 

[JWBooth]

It has not been negotiated yet.

Russia has no good reason to negotiate away any lands liberated from the UkroNazis.

 

[Natural Citizen]

ITS NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.

 

[Delldude]

Wait ...wait....my portfolio will take a hit.