Zone1 the Crusades to the Holy Land - were they justified?

[Zebra]

they are a controversial topic
but i think they were justified

 

[norwegen]

The Muslim menace needed some schoolin'.

 

[Hafar1014]

The Crusades were a common example of Christian violence.

 

[hobelim]

The Crusades were a common example of Christian violence.

Not only the crusades! But I don't call it Christian violence. It was Roman imperial violence, same as it ever was since Constantine supposedly said, "Under the sign of the cross (the Mithran cross) I will conquer the world."

 

[Zebra]

The Crusades were a common example of Christian violence.

but in defence

 

[Hafar1014]

but in defence

In 1204 CE the unthinkable happened and Constantinople, after nine centuries of withstanding all comers, was brutally sacked. Even more startling was the fact that the perpetrators were not any of the traditional enemies of the Byzantine Empire: the armies of Islam, the Bulgars, Hungarians, or Serbs, but the western Christian army of the Fourth Crusade. Finally, the mutual suspicion and distrust that had existed for centuries between the western and eastern states and churches had blown up into full-scale warfare. With the fall of the city, many of its religious icons, relics, and artworks were spirited away and the Byzantine Empire was divided up between Venice and its allies. The empire would rise again from the ashes but never again could Constantinople claim to be the greatest, richest, and most artistically vibrant city in the world.

Absolute barbarity

 

[Zebra]

In 1204 CE the unthinkable happened and Constantinople, after nine centuries of withstanding all comers, was brutally sacked. Even more startling was the fact that the perpetrators were not any of the traditional enemies of the Byzantine Empire: the armies of Islam, the Bulgars, Hungarians, or Serbs, but the western Christian army of the Fourth Crusade. Finally, the mutual suspicion and distrust that had existed for centuries between the western and eastern states and churches had blown up into full-scale warfare. With the fall of the city, many of its religious icons, relics, and artworks were spirited away and the Byzantine Empire was divided up between Venice and its allies. The empire would rise again from the ashes but never again could Constantinople claim to be the greatest, richest, and most artistically vibrant city in the world.

Absolute barbarity

true ... I wont excuse that

 

[Zebra]

Constantinopel was not the reason of the Crusades, but Jerusalem

 

[Hafar1014]

true ... I wont excuse that

It took them 2000 years to understand the 10 commandments but they did it

 

[Hafar1014]

Constantinopel was not the reason of the Crusades, but Jerusalem

It was an example of the violence and religious bigotry that motivasted the Crusades

 

[Votto]

they are a controversial topic
but i think they were justified

Christ never would have ordered the Crusades.

The notion is just absurd, just like he would never have ordered the persecution of Jews they participated in.

Shrug, the looted the Holy Land and left.

 

[alang1216]

they are a controversial topic
but i think they were justified

If my memory serves, the first Crusade began in Germany and was an anti-Jewish pogrom. Never made it to the Middle East.

 

[Zebra]

Christ never would have ordered the Crusades.

The notion is just absurd, just like he would never have ordered the persecution of Jews they participated in.

Shrug, the looted the Holy Land and left.

no, they lasted for some time in Jerusalem

 

[Votto]

no, they lasted for some time in Jerusalem

Does it matter how long they stayed?

No.

The looted and they left, period.

They had so much wealth, the governments in Europe ended up trying to come after it because they have more wealth than the royalty in their own country.

Naturally, the split with the loot, never to be seen again.

 

[Zebra]

it could have been successful like the re.conquest of Spain.
would you call that justified ..
i think it was

 

[Zebra]

how about the Moslems, who conquered the Christian countries in the East and in Africa?

 

[Zebra]

i know that it is fashionable to be against the Crusades
but one should also see, that it was a reaction to the Moslem conquest. Why take their side?

 

[norwegen]

i know that it is fashionable to be against the Crusades
but one should also see, that it was a reaction to the Moslem conquest. Why take their side?

Christian violence is justified, beginning with Christ's destruction of the Jewish temple.

 

[Zebra]

Christian violence is justified, beginning with Christ's destruction of the Jewish temple.

so you could vote for yes here

 

[hobelim]

Christian violence is justified, beginning with Christ's destruction of the Jewish temple.

And I always thought it was the Roman army under the command of Titus. Thanks for clearing that up.