The Crusades and origins

[Quasar44]

Could you imagine how many THOUSANDS of people simply DIED on just the journey from places like France to the Middle East. Imagine how long that would take along with the HEAT and lack of supplies. Crazy to think of.

IT seems both sides were at fault for the Crusades

Byzatine empire- was being destroyed by Turkish armies and was badly needing help. Turkish aggression caused the Emperor to seek out the Pope of the Franks. The B hated the Franks and for good reason if you see what happened in Crusade 4 with the sacking on Constantople

Pope- clearly wanted to expand his lands and conquer new territory for the masses.

Arabs- were clearly interfering with religious holly sites in Jerusalem and blocking travel

Chrisitan people- Most did join for good reasons and they thought it would be helping GOD and give them salvation


Such a fascinating topic in history. i think.

 

[theHawk]

Could you imagine how many THOUSANDS of people simply DIED on just the journey from places like France to the Middle East. Imagine how long that would take along with the HEAT and lack of supplies. Crazy to think of.

IT seems both sides were at fault for the Crusades

Byzatine empire- was being destroyed by Turkish armies and was badly needing help. Turkish aggression caused the Emperor to seek out the Pope of the Franks. The B hated the Franks and for good reason if you see what happened in Crusade 4 with the sacking on Constantople

Pope- clearly wanted to expand his lands and conquer new territory for the masses.

Arabs- were clearly interfering with religious holly sites in Jerusalem and blocking travel

Chrisitan people- Most did join for good reasons and they thought it would be helping GOD and give them salvation


Such a fascinating topic in history. i think.

The Crusades were a response to Muslim invasions of Europe.

 

[Quasar44]

The Crusades were a response to Muslim invasions of Europe.

No that is not true

 

[Augustine_]

Could you imagine how many THOUSANDS of people simply DIED on just the journey from places like France to the Middle East. Imagine how long that would take along with the HEAT and lack of supplies. Crazy to think of.

IT seems both sides were at fault for the Crusades

Byzatine empire- was being destroyed by Turkish armies and was badly needing help. Turkish aggression caused the Emperor to seek out the Pope of the Franks. The B hated the Franks and for good reason if you see what happened in Crusade 4 with the sacking on Constantople

Pope- clearly wanted to expand his lands and conquer new territory for the masses.

Arabs- were clearly interfering with religious holly sites in Jerusalem and blocking travel

Chrisitan people- Most did join for good reasons and they thought it would be helping GOD and give them salvation


Such a fascinating topic in history. i think.

Religious madness is a horrible thing

 

[Bleipriester]

The Crusades were a response to Muslim invasions of Europe.

It was actually about securing the holy land for the Christianity. So we can say it was a response to Muslim invasions in the ME.

 

[Moonglow]

Could you imagine how many THOUSANDS of people simply DIED on just the journey from places like France to the Middle East. Imagine how long that would take along with the HEAT and lack of supplies. Crazy to think of.

IT seems both sides were at fault for the Crusades

Byzatine empire- was being destroyed by Turkish armies and was badly needing help. Turkish aggression caused the Emperor to seek out the Pope of the Franks. The B hated the Franks and for good reason if you see what happened in Crusade 4 with the sacking on Constantople

Pope- clearly wanted to expand his lands and conquer new territory for the masses.

Arabs- were clearly interfering with religious holly sites in Jerusalem and blocking travel

Chrisitan people- Most did join for good reasons and they thought it would be helping GOD and give them salvation


Such a fascinating topic in history. i think.

The Christians are the reason why Constantinople fell because they attacked it along with other Christain cities.

 

[Moonglow]

No that is not true

True it was the loss of trading routes.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Could you imagine how many THOUSANDS of people simply DIED on just the journey from places like France to the Middle East. Imagine how long that would take along with the HEAT and lack of supplies. Crazy to think of.

IT seems both sides were at fault for the Crusades

Byzatine empire- was being destroyed by Turkish armies and was badly needing help. Turkish aggression caused the Emperor to seek out the Pope of the Franks. The B hated the Franks and for good reason if you see what happened in Crusade 4 with the sacking on Constantople

Pope- clearly wanted to expand his lands and conquer new territory for the masses.

Arabs- were clearly interfering with religious holly sites in Jerusalem and blocking travel

Chrisitan people- Most did join for good reasons and they thought it would be helping GOD and give them salvation


Such a fascinating topic in history. i think.

The Crusades weren’t about CONQUERING the Middle East, they were about Liberating it from the Muslims who conquered it from Christians.

 

[theHawk]

It was actually about securing the holy land for the Christianity. So we can say it was a response to Muslim invasions in the ME.

Wrong. Muslims invaded Spain, Italy, and France.

 

[Quasar44]

The Christians are the reason why Constantinople fell because they attacked it along with other Christain cities.

During the 4th C or do you mean in the 15 th Century

 

[Quasar44]

Wrong. Muslims invaded Spain, Italy, and France.

you have your centuries mixed up !!

Crusades started in the 11th

Invasion of France and Spain were 8th

Completely different centuries by hundreds of years

 

[Bleipriester]

Wrong. Muslims invaded Spain, Italy, and France.

Austria also, two times. But the crusades were always about the holy land. Its not impossible to look it up.

 

[Quasar44]

True it was the loss of trading routes.

AS per my post: Both sides were at fault !!!!!


Crusades is fun to read about.

 

[DudleySmith]

Muslim pirates all around the Med were another reason. 'Christians' didn't aid the Ottomans, Venetians did; they were trade rivals, and the Popes considered The Eastern Orthodox 'heretics' after the 'Great Schism'.

Great Schism

On July 16, 1054, Patriarch of Constantinople Michael Cerularius was excommunicated, starting the “Great Schism” that created the two largest denominations in Christianity—the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox faiths.

education.nationalgeographic.org

On July 16, 1054, Patriarch of Constantinople Michael Cerularius was excommunicated from the Christian church based in Rome, Italy. Cerularius’s excommunication was a breaking point in long-rising tensions between the Roman church based in Rome and the Byzantine church based in Constantinople (now called Istanbul). The resulting split divided the European Christian church into two major branches: the Western Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church. This split is known as the Great Schism, or sometimes the “East-West Schism” or the “Schism of 1054.”


Also the Byzantines didn't like huge armies bringing diseases into their city and country. In any case the Orthodox church derived directly from the Jerusalem sect, and was the first Christian church, not Roman Catholicism, which was invented when Constantine appointed the Bishop of Rome as head of the Empire's social programs. It gradually assumed a life of its own and fabricated a founding mythology for itself separate from the original Eastern church and exercised its growing political power in the West.

See also Islam in Italy.

Islam in Italy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Crusader states also were established at Antioch as well as Jerusalem,

List of Crusader states - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Muslims in the Crusader States

A description of the status, rights and role of Muslims in the crusader states.

www.defenderofjerusalem.com

This last link also explains the long relationship history of Jews with the Turks, and hence why Palestine Jews in the early 20th Century defended Kemal's genocides of the Armenians and Greeks. It was the Ottomans who recruited and encouraged the first Jewish Aliyahs rom Russia to the province of Palestine, beginning in 1869, in the hopes of developing it after its depopulation in the civil war with Egypt. There were three or four, I think three, large ones.

 

[1srelluc]

 

[Soupnazi630]

AS per my post: Both sides were at fault !!!!!


Crusades is fun to read about.

The crusades were a response to muslim invasions and conquest of europe and christendom

 

[theHawk]

you have your centuries mixed up !!

Crusades started in the 11th

Invasion of France and Spain were 8th

Completely different centuries by hundreds of years

Yes, and it was a response to those invasions, as they kept pushing and expanding within those kingdoms. Back then they were all just collections of small kingdoms, not the large nations they are today. So they didn’t pay attention to it until it got to the doorsteps of the wrong kings….ones that wanted to fight back.

 

[Votto]

Could you imagine how many THOUSANDS of people simply DIED on just the journey from places like France to the Middle East. Imagine how long that would take along with the HEAT and lack of supplies. Crazy to think of.

IT seems both sides were at fault for the Crusades

Byzatine empire- was being destroyed by Turkish armies and was badly needing help. Turkish aggression caused the Emperor to seek out the Pope of the Franks. The B hated the Franks and for good reason if you see what happened in Crusade 4 with the sacking on Constantople

Pope- clearly wanted to expand his lands and conquer new territory for the masses.

Arabs- were clearly interfering with religious holly sites in Jerusalem and blocking travel

Chrisitan people- Most did join for good reasons and they thought it would be helping GOD and give them salvation


Such a fascinating topic in history. i think.

I can't see Jesus advocating the Crusades.

Essentially, they looted the Holy Land and brought all the loot back to Europe

Then a problem occurred. Those that looted the Holy Land became a threat to the kings of Europe because they had more wealth

It was then that the kings of Europe tried to confiscate all the wealth that they had looted.

For example, King Philip IV was deeply in debt, and the Crusaders refused to grant him new loans. The knights were also talking about forming their own state in southeastern France. By this time, the failure of the Crusades and the enviable wealth of the Templars had diminished their reputation. Where the Church has previously stood behind the Order, Pope Clement V now sided against them.

 

[Mushroom]

The crusades were a response to muslim invasions and conquest of europe and christendom

Actually, that had nothing to do with it. Holy cow, does anybody in here even bother to read history?

For hundreds of years, Jerusalem and most of the "Holy Land" was in the hands of the Fatimid Caliphate, which actually had good relations with the Christians in the area and was welcoming to pilgrims and other visitors. However, in 1071 the Seljuk Turks took over, and were not so congenial. They were known to do things like capture pilgrims and hold them for ransom, kill prisoners, and restrict access to the Christian holy sites.

The Crusades had not a damned thing to do with the Conquest of Europe. If that was the case, why did they not attack much closer to home in Spain, Morocco, and other areas they held right in their own backyards?

I swear, most people just make things up or repeat what they have heard in the past without ever bothering to look into the facts for themselves.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Actually, that had nothing to do with it. Holy cow, does anybody in here even bother to read history?

For hundreds of years, Jerusalem and most of the "Holy Land" was in the hands of the Fatimid Caliphate, which actually had good relations with the Christians in the area and was welcoming to pilgrims and other visitors. However, in 1071 the Seljuk Turks took over, and were not so congenial. They were known to do things like capture pilgrims and hold them for ransom, kill prisoners, and restrict access to the Christian holy sites.

The Crusades had not a damned thing to do with the Conquest of Europe. If that was the case, why did they not attack much closer to home in Spain, Morocco, and other areas they held right in their own backyards?

I swear, most people just make things up or repeat what they have heard in the past without ever bothering to look into the facts for themselves.

Yes it had everything to do with it and obviously no YOU do not read history.

Thery did launch the reconquista in Spain ewhich was one of the crusades.