The Collective Versus The Economy

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Another in the ongoing series in which I prove that Democrat voters will support clearly proven failed policies.


One normally thinks of politics, and things like freedom and liberty, when one discusses whether government should be based on conservative principles or those of Progressives. The path government follows should lead either to prosperity or to dependency. Does the intelligent voter vote for prosperity or for dependency?



1. “America has been, from the first, primarily a market society powered by incentives for individual striving. This distinctively American frame of mind emerged early. In 1623 there was an episode that illustrated the toll that reality takes on ideology. It also illustrated the fecundity of individualism and enlightened self interest. [It was] ‘Of Plymouth Plantation, the journal of William Bradford, the colony’s governor for nearly thirty-six years. In a section on private versus communal farming, Bradford wrote that in 1623, because of a corn shortage, the colonists ‘began to think how they might raise’ more of it.”
George Will, “The Conservative Sensibility,” p. 222-223


2. Governor William Bradford of the Plymouth Colony performed a controlled experiment to test collectivism against capitalism.
At first, property was communal….and the colony almost starved.

So, he instituted privatization.
And so assigned to every family a parcel of land, according to the proportion of their number, or that end, only for present use (but made no division for inheritance) and ranged all boys and youth under some family. This had very good success, for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been by any means the Governor or any other could use, and saved him a great deal of trouble, and gave far better content. The women now went willingly into the field, and took their little ones with them to set corn; which before would allege weakness and inability; whom to have compelled would have been thought great tyranny and oppression.”
Quoted from William Bradford, Of Plymouth Plantation 1620-1647, ed. Samuel Eliot Morison (New York : Knopf, 1991), p. 120.




3. Success in society is based on allowing each to work for his own benefit, and to keep the fruits of his labor. This is the free market. This is capitalism. It is the rejection of collectivism, and leads to the ascent to individualism.

“In the free market, every man, woman and child is scheming to find a better way to make a product or service that will make a fortune!"
David Mamet

If government would stick to the functions the Founders and conservatives recognize as efficacious, prosperity must follow.….The premise of the Founders was that liberty pre-exists governments, and said governments are legitimate only when ‘instituted’ to ‘secure’ natural rights…..

…. prosperity abounds.



So….voting for the failed collectivist policies of the Democrats marks one, clearly, as a harebrain, and this should be monogrammed on all of their outer garments so new acquaintances are informed as to who they are dealing with, from the start.

It seems only fair.
 


CDC director Robert Redfield dropped some bombshell news during a talk he gave two weeks ago. But despite its significance, hardly anyone knows about the sickening bit of data he let slip:

“We’re seeing, sadly, far greater suicides now than we are deaths from Covid. We’re seeing far greater deaths from drug overdose, that are above excess, than we had as background, than we are seeing deaths from Covid.”
Let that sink in. Even Redfield admits lockdowns are now killing at least two times the number of Americans as COVID-19.
 
As opposed to the failed policies of the GOP towards Iraq and Afghanistan...?


I've never seen anyone put as many feet in their mouth as you.

Truly amazing.

".... failed policies of the GOP towards Iraq and Afghanistan..."

And you imagine (I almost said 'think') of those as economic policies?




Who ties your shoes for you?
 
As opposed to the failed policies of the GOP towards Iraq and Afghanistan...?


I've never seen anyone put as many feet in their mouth as you.

Truly amazing.

".... failed policies of the GOP towards Iraq and Afghanistan..."

And you imagine (I almost said 'think') of those as economic policies?




Who ties your shoes for you?
Oh, so you have to stick to a very narrow set of policies to make your point work. Got it. :lol:
 
As opposed to the failed policies of the GOP towards Iraq and Afghanistan...?


I've never seen anyone put as many feet in their mouth as you.

Truly amazing.

".... failed policies of the GOP towards Iraq and Afghanistan..."

And you imagine (I almost said 'think') of those as economic policies?




Who ties your shoes for you?
Oh, so you have to stick to a very narrow set of policies to make your point work. Got it. :lol:


You don't have to stick to anything.


I've told you before, the dumber you post, the more I like it.....it supports everything I've said about your side.


Now, write soon, y'hear!
 
4. The largest problem for Progressives to face…..the same one communists, Nazis, Liberals, too, are unable to comprehend, is that there is an unalterable human nature.



“Progressivism rests on….a heroic negative….the idea that human beings are essentially blank slates on which pretty much anything can be written…
…one impediment had to be removed. Human life could not be made sufficiently malleable until human beings we disabused of the idea of human nature. The philosophy of natural right…the Republic’s foundation, rests on one premise: There is a universal human nature.”
George Will, ”The Conservative Sensibility,” p. 35


“Human nature is the one constant through human history. It is always there.”--Thucydides


“One hundred fifty-three years before Adam Smith’s ‘The Wealth of Nations,’ the earliest of Americans understood how to harness for the general good the fact that human beings are moved, usually and powerfully, by self interest.”
George Will, ‘The Conservative Sensibility,’ p. 223.



The opposite has been tried elsewhere.
And those failed five-year-plans for the Soviet economy?

"It is a great irony of communism that those who did not believe in God believed that godlike knowledge could be concentrated at a central point. It was believed that government could be omnipotent and omniscient. And in order to justify the idea that all lives should be determined by a single plan, the concomitant tendency of communist regimes was to deify the leader- whether Lenin, Stalin, Mao, or Kim Il-sung."
Tom Bethell, "The Noblest Triumph," p. 144



Deify.....as the Democrats called Obama god, Jesus, and the messiah.
 
2. Governor William Bradford of the Plymouth Colony performed a controlled experiment to test collectivism against capitalism.
At first, property was communal….and the colony almost starved.

Ah, this myth again.



Limbaugh is indeed right that the Pilgrims collectively owned their property, in a system Plymouth Colony Governor William Bradford called the "common course." Yet, in her thorough debunking of the myth in 2010, New York Times correspondent Kate Zernike pointed out that "The arrangement did not produce famine. If it had, Bradford would not have declared the three days of sport and feasting in 1621 that became known as the first Thanksgiving."

That is to say, the first Thanksgiving was held when the common course was still being practiced, when the Pilgrims, according to Limbaugh, were still socialists.


The system of collective ownership of property was indeed abandoned, but not until 1623, two years after the first Thanksgiving. In Limbaugh's description, then, Thanksgiving, the first American holiday, was actually created by socialists.

Historian Richard Pickering, a leading expert on the Pilgrims, explains that, when the common course was abolished, it was not abolished because it did not work -- it actually worked just fine -- but rather because the colonists simply did not like it. Pickering said "there was griping and groaning," and, as Zernike explained, "this grumbling had more to do with the fact that the Plymouth colony was bringing together settlers from all over England, at a time when most people never moved more than 10 miles from home. They spoke different dialects and had different methods of farming, and looked upon each other with great wariness."

Moreover, the reason the Pilgrims later became more prosperous was not because they became capitalists, but rather because they had learned how to better farm the new crops in the new soil on the new lands they had only just moved to a few years before.
 
As opposed to the failed policies of the GOP towards Iraq and Afghanistan...?


I've never seen anyone put as many feet in their mouth as you.

Truly amazing.

".... failed policies of the GOP towards Iraq and Afghanistan..."

And you imagine (I almost said 'think') of those as economic policies?




Who ties your shoes for you?
Oh, so you have to stick to a very narrow set of policies to make your point work. Got it. :lol:


You don't have to stick to anything.


I've told you before, the dumber you post, the more I like it.....it supports everything I've said about your side.


Now, write soon, y'hear!
You want dumb? So tell us, how did all the different animals come about? :biggrin:
 
5. “What the Pilgrims quickly understood in the seventeenth century the Russians and Chinese learned the slow and hard way with agricultural collectivization in the twentieth century. Francis Fukuyama notes: ‘By breaking the link between individual effort and reward, collectivization undermined incentives to work, leading to mass famines in Russia and China, and severely reducing agricultural productivity.” George Will, ‘The Conservative Sensibility,’ p. 223.



6. ""Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" is a well-known phrase in the United States Declaration of Independence.... Locke argued in his Two Treatises of Government that political society existed for the sake of protecting "property", which he defined as a person's "life, liberty, and estate".

“ That all men are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety." Virginia Declaration of Rights" Life Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




With Karl Marx the attack on private property became front and center. “The theory of the Communists can be summarized in a single sentence: Abolition of private property.”
Marx and Engels, “Manifesto of the Communist Party,” Great Books, p. 425



Now...who was the collectivist who said "You didn't build that!"?
 
As opposed to the failed policies of the GOP towards Iraq and Afghanistan...?


I've never seen anyone put as many feet in their mouth as you.

Truly amazing.

".... failed policies of the GOP towards Iraq and Afghanistan..."

And you imagine (I almost said 'think') of those as economic policies?




Who ties your shoes for you?
Oh, so you have to stick to a very narrow set of policies to make your point work. Got it. :lol:


You don't have to stick to anything.


I've told you before, the dumber you post, the more I like it.....it supports everything I've said about your side.


Now, write soon, y'hear!
You want dumb? So tell us, how did all the different animals come about? :biggrin:
Ok.......the hippies of the 60's did LSD and had Free love stoned out of their minds......and had children...........LSD induced children............and these druggies brain washed these children for decade after decade...........and these kids had drug induced sex and had more kids....

And now these doped up LSD induced grandchildren are running around places like Portland.

There you go.....how the animals of the left were created.
 
7. Only six years into our Republic, the United States Supreme Court ruled:

"From these passages it is evident; that the right of acquiring and possessing property, and having it protected, is one of the natural, inherent, and unalienable rights of man. Men have a sense of property: Property is necessary to their subsistence, and correspondent to their natural wants and desires; its security was one of the objects, that induced them to unite in society. No man would become a member of a community, in which he could not enjoy the fruits of his honest labour and industry. . . The constitution expressly declares, that the right of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property is natural, inherent, and unalienable. It is a right not ex gratia from the legislature, but ex debito from the constitution. . . Where is the security, where the inviolability of property, if the legislature, by a private act, affecting particular persons ONLY, can take land from one citizen, who acquired it legally, and vest it in another?"
VANHORNE'S LESSEE v. DORRANCE, 2 U.S. 304 (1795)




8. Two centuries under the Progressive agenda and Democrats/Progressives/Liberals disguise their abhorrence of private property under EPA regulations and other rules.


“…one out of every two acres in the West is federally owned. In Nevada, the figure is 81.1 percent; in Alaska, 61.8 percent; in Utah, 66.5 percent; in Oregon, 53 percent. In Connecticut and Iowa, the federal government owns 0.3 percent of the land.

“The federal estate is larger than France, Germany, Poland, Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom combined,” said Robert Gordon, a senior adviser for the Heritage Foundation. “It is too big and was never intended to be preserved as one big park, but the left is strangling use of it and with it, rural America.”
Hold your horses: Nevada standoff reveals bigger fight over federally owned land



The delusion has led to the sequestration of productive land unmatched since the age of kings. Over 30% of the American land base lies under no-use or limited-use restrictions….almost 700 million acres. The Bureau of Land Management and the Department of the Interior are targeting the confiscation of another 213 million acres, bringing the count to nearly half of the continent!
http://r-calfusa.com/Trade/property_rights/100900BLMLeakedMemo.pdf



The greatest reason for the animus against trump is his dispensing with the miles of regulations and red tape. Little by little the Left plans on controlling all of our property......and our lives.
 
As opposed to the failed policies of the GOP towards Iraq and Afghanistan...?


I've never seen anyone put as many feet in their mouth as you.

Truly amazing.

".... failed policies of the GOP towards Iraq and Afghanistan..."

And you imagine (I almost said 'think') of those as economic policies?




Who ties your shoes for you?
Oh, so you have to stick to a very narrow set of policies to make your point work. Got it. :lol:


You don't have to stick to anything.


I've told you before, the dumber you post, the more I like it.....it supports everything I've said about your side.


Now, write soon, y'hear!
You want dumb? So tell us, how did all the different animals come about? :biggrin:
Ok.......the hippies of the 60's did LSD and had Free love stoned out of their minds......and had children...........LSD induced children............and these druggies brain washed these children for decade after decade...........and these kids had drug induced sex and had more kids....

And now these doped up LSD induced grandchildren are running around places like Portland.

There you go.....how the animals of the left were created.
The freaky part of your story is that you actually believe it! :biggrin:
 
The greatest reason for the animus against trump is his dispensing with the miles of regulations and red tape. Little by little the Left plans on controlling all of our property......and our lives.
Your grasp on reality is somewhat tenuous. But maybe if you start another 14 threads on the subject we'll all be convinced!!! :biggrin:
 
Another in the ongoing series in which I prove that Democrat voters will support clearly proven failed policies.


One normally thinks of politics, and things like freedom and liberty, when one discusses whether government should be based on conservative principles or those of Progressives. The path government follows should lead either to prosperity or to dependency. Does the intelligent voter vote for prosperity or for dependency?



1. “America has been, from the first, primarily a market society powered by incentives for individual striving. This distinctively American frame of mind emerged early. In 1623 there was an episode that illustrated the toll that reality takes on ideology. It also illustrated the fecundity of individualism and enlightened self interest. [It was] ‘Of Plymouth Plantation, the journal of William Bradford, the colony’s governor for nearly thirty-six years. In a section on private versus communal farming, Bradford wrote that in 1623, because of a corn shortage, the colonists ‘began to think how they might raise’ more of it.”
George Will, “The Conservative Sensibility,” p. 222-223


2. Governor William Bradford of the Plymouth Colony performed a controlled experiment to test collectivism against capitalism.
At first, property was communal….and the colony almost starved.

So, he instituted privatization.
And so assigned to every family a parcel of land, according to the proportion of their number, or that end, only for present use (but made no division for inheritance) and ranged all boys and youth under some family. This had very good success, for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been by any means the Governor or any other could use, and saved him a great deal of trouble, and gave far better content. The women now went willingly into the field, and took their little ones with them to set corn; which before would allege weakness and inability; whom to have compelled would have been thought great tyranny and oppression.”
Quoted from William Bradford, Of Plymouth Plantation 1620-1647, ed. Samuel Eliot Morison (New York : Knopf, 1991), p. 120.




3. Success in society is based on allowing each to work for his own benefit, and to keep the fruits of his labor. This is the free market. This is capitalism. It is the rejection of collectivism, and leads to the ascent to individualism.

“In the free market, every man, woman and child is scheming to find a better way to make a product or service that will make a fortune!"
David Mamet

If government would stick to the functions the Founders and conservatives recognize as efficacious, prosperity must follow.….The premise of the Founders was that liberty pre-exists governments, and said governments are legitimate only when ‘instituted’ to ‘secure’ natural rights…..

…. prosperity abounds.



So….voting for the failed collectivist policies of the Democrats marks one, clearly, as a harebrain, and this should be monogrammed on all of their outer garments so new acquaintances are informed as to who they are dealing with, from the start.

It seems only fair.
Why isn't god helping you get what you want? Does he not agree with you?
 
As opposed to the failed policies of the GOP towards Iraq and Afghanistan...?


I've never seen anyone put as many feet in their mouth as you.

Truly amazing.

".... failed policies of the GOP towards Iraq and Afghanistan..."

And you imagine (I almost said 'think') of those as economic policies?




Who ties your shoes for you?
Oh, so you have to stick to a very narrow set of policies to make your point work. Got it. :lol:


You don't have to stick to anything.


I've told you before, the dumber you post, the more I like it.....it supports everything I've said about your side.


Now, write soon, y'hear!
You want dumb? So tell us, how did all the different animals come about? :biggrin:
Ok.......the hippies of the 60's did LSD and had Free love stoned out of their minds......and had children...........LSD induced children............and these druggies brain washed these children for decade after decade...........and these kids had drug induced sex and had more kids....

And now these doped up LSD induced grandchildren are running around places like Portland.

There you go.....how the animals of the left were created.
The freaky part of your story is that you actually believe it! :biggrin:
Go eat your baby food and get back to me...........eat it all or mommy will have to force feed you..........poor thing.
 
The greatest reason for the animus against trump is his dispensing with the miles of regulations and red tape. Little by little the Left plans on controlling all of our property......and our lives.
Your grasp on reality is somewhat tenuous. But maybe if you start another 14 threads on the subject we'll all be convinced!!! :biggrin:
WE................Are you French........LMAO
 
9. Progressives, communists of every stripe have always promised that their governance would alter human nature.
No more self-interest, greed or envy.


“Today, very few people believe that human nature is changing.

In the twentieth century, the malleability of human nature was put to a severe test in the Soviet Union. There it was finally discredited.
In retrospect, it is possible to look upon the Soviet experience as a large-scale experiment, costly in life, liberty and prosperity, that tried to confirm a theory that had preoccupied Western intellectuals since the French Revolution. As Mikhail Heller wrote in Cogs in the Wheel: The Formation of Soviet Man: "Everything the Communist Party has done since the Revolution, despite superficial changes and apparent departures from original ideas and replacement of leaders, has been directed at the transformation of human beings."…” Bethell “The Noblest Triumph”


A total and abject failure.




10. In September of 1991, the President of Russia, Boris Yeltsin, was asked about the history and future of Communism:

“One of their more dramatic responses came to a question by Los Angeles actor Ben Stein, who asked whether the two leaders believed any country should live under communism.

Yeltsin answered first: "This experiment which was conducted on our soil was a tragedy for our people and it was too bad that it happened on our territory. It would have been better if the experiment had happened in some small country, to make it clear that it was a Utopian idea, although a beautiful idea."

Gorbachev said history has shown that "that model has failed which was brought about in our country. And I believe that this is a lesson not only for our people but for all peoples.GORBACHEV, YELTSIN SAY COMMUNISM FAILED USSR


Again?
"that model has failed ... a lesson not only for our people but for all peoples.




Soooooooo…….

If Even The Soviets Knew It Failed….

….why don’t the Liberals know it?
 

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