The cognitive dissonance of the public's opinion towards Dem's.

[DGS49]

Polling has devolved in most cases into nothing more than a propaganda scheme. The sampling methods are dubious, the wording of the questions is manipulated to get the desired result, and the people paying for the polls make it known what result they want.

But there is ONE poll that should make Conservatives quake in their boots and give Democrats a good supply of optimism going forward. It is the "generic" congressional vote. That is, candidates aside, are you more likely to vote for a Democrat or a Republican in the mid-terms. And those polls, which are fairly reliable, tilt strongly to the Democrats. The message of those polls is, the Republicans have to field a slate of well-known "all stars" to have any chance of retaining Congress, especially the House.

2026 Generic Congressional Vote | RealClearPolling

2026 Generic Congressional Vote | RealClearPolling

www.realclearpolling.com

 

[Woodznutz]

No doubt Biden got falsely blamed for inflation since he was in the chair when it hit.
Issues surrounding COVID got studiply politicized on both sides. The idea of vaccine mandates, which are required of school children to attend public schools, being a denial of liberty is ludicrous.

But this discussion is about policy positions the majority of Americans hold that align with Democrats which most conservative board members seem to be in denial about.

I wouldn't judge the Republican Party by conservative responses on these boards.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Get a grip on reality, please.

IRONY

 

[Woodznutz]

Polling has devolved in most cases into nothing more than a propaganda scheme. The sampling methods are dubious, the wording of the questions is manipulated to get the desired result, and the people paying for the polls make it known what result they want.

But there is ONE poll that should make Conservatives quake in their boots and give Democrats a good supply of optimism going forward. It is the "generic" congressional vote. That is, candidates aside, are you more likely to vote for a Democrat or a Republican in the mid-terms. And those polls, which are fairly reliable, tilt strongly to the Democrats. The message of those polls is, the Republicans have to field a slate of well-known "all stars" to have any chance of retaining Congress, especially the House.

2026 Generic Congressional Vote | RealClearPolling

2026 Generic Congressional Vote | RealClearPolling

www.realclearpolling.com

That just highlights the impatience and fickleness of the voters.

 

[Woodznutz]

IRONY

True. Back in the day anyone who flossed their teeth was a weirdo.

 

[JohnDB]

Quite a bit has been made by the board's conservatives about the Dem party's dismal polling numbers of late. They are frequently cited in response to it being pointed out trump's approval rating has sunken to new lows.
Why do I refer to this phenomenon as creating cognitive dissonance? Here's why.

Most U.S. adults think abortion should be legal 3 years after Roe was overturned, poll shows​

Most U.S. adults think abortion should be legal 3 years after Roe was overturned, poll shows

The new findings from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll show that about two-thirds of U.S. adults think abortion should be legal in all or most cases.

www.pbs.org

A Majority of Americans See Climate Change as a Serious Problem Today​

A Majority of Americans See Climate Change as a Serious Problem Today

Polling report on Americans’ perceptions of extreme weather, including Americans' concerns on climate change and how they believe this year’s weather compares to that of past years.

navigatorresearch.org

Majorities Still Back Stricter Gun Laws, Assault Weapons Ban​

Majorities Still Back Stricter Gun Laws, Assault Weapons Ban

While 56% of Americans favor stricter gun laws in general and 52% back an assault weapons ban, a near-record-low 20% support banning handguns.

news.gallup.com

More Americans favor pathway to legal status for most migrants in US​

https://thehill.com/immigration/5372012-more-americans-favor-pathway-legal-statusmigrants-survey/

Medicaid keeps getting more popular as Republicans aim to cut it by $800 billion​

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/06/17/nx-s1-5435312/medicaid-cuts-big-beautiful-bill-trump-kff-poll

Weird, right? The Dem party is not popular but the policy positions it stands for are.
So I'm going to posit a theory to explain it. Basically, it comes down to this.

Democrats fume over weak early response to Trump​

Democrats are fuming about their party leadership’s early response to President Trump.

Strategists say the reaction to Trump is inconsistent and not aggressive enough to combat Trump, who has taken a series of actions to remake the government.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5119639-democrats-frustration-trump-agenda/

More specifically, I think one aspect of the poor polling Dem's get is out of frustration with the party's inability to get legislation passed that the majority favors. Roe was just repealed, gun control legislation has repeatedly been blocked by Repubs, trump is in the process of reversing Biden's laudable efforts with respect to climate change, Medicaid funding has been slashed.

It's hard to be enthusiastic about an ineffectual party that can't deliver on what the majority wants.

Thoughts?

Too much complaining.....period.
Not enough vision.
Words and actions MUST MATCH.

Then the recent negatives associated with the Democrat party....
Sexualizing children
Introducing perversion to teenagers
Open borders
Drug crisis
Stupid amounts of Money for everyone except citizens
Warmongering
Election fraud
Restrictions on first amendment rights
Human rights violations with vaccines
Soft on crime/criminals but hard on average law abiding citizens.

The negatives are a steep mountain to climb. EVERYONE SCREETCHES AND SHOUTS.....be different like Trump is different. He sells hope and a dream and wins by landslides. Vance is going to do exactly the same thing....

There is not one Democrat selling Hope's and dreams.....they sell war, perversion, illegal alien crime and hate. And cars we do not want to drive. Zero freedom

 

[Correll]

Do you doubt that if Repubs had their way it wouldn't be?

But that isn't the issue nor what the thread is about. DO YOU FOLKS EVER JUST RESPOND TO THE SUBJECT OF THREADS???? Does it always have to go down the road of deflection?

I am addressing your point.

Roe was overturned, and aboriton is still legal in all 50 states.

Your spin of republicans all being rabid pro-lifers, is simply not true.


Now teh states are able to tailor their abortion policies for each STATE.

As the FOUNDERS would have wanted.


YOUR roe was the problem. We fixed it.


America is better for it.


MAGA.

 

[Papageorgio]

Quite a bit has been made by the board's conservatives about the Dem party's dismal polling numbers of late. They are frequently cited in response to it being pointed out trump's approval rating has sunken to new lows.
Why do I refer to this phenomenon as creating cognitive dissonance? Here's why.

Most U.S. adults think abortion should be legal 3 years after Roe was overturned, poll shows​

Most U.S. adults think abortion should be legal 3 years after Roe was overturned, poll shows

The new findings from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll show that about two-thirds of U.S. adults think abortion should be legal in all or most cases.

www.pbs.org

A Majority of Americans See Climate Change as a Serious Problem Today​

A Majority of Americans See Climate Change as a Serious Problem Today

Polling report on Americans’ perceptions of extreme weather, including Americans' concerns on climate change and how they believe this year’s weather compares to that of past years.

navigatorresearch.org

Majorities Still Back Stricter Gun Laws, Assault Weapons Ban​

Majorities Still Back Stricter Gun Laws, Assault Weapons Ban

While 56% of Americans favor stricter gun laws in general and 52% back an assault weapons ban, a near-record-low 20% support banning handguns.

news.gallup.com

More Americans favor pathway to legal status for most migrants in US​

https://thehill.com/immigration/5372012-more-americans-favor-pathway-legal-statusmigrants-survey/

Medicaid keeps getting more popular as Republicans aim to cut it by $800 billion​

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/06/17/nx-s1-5435312/medicaid-cuts-big-beautiful-bill-trump-kff-poll

Weird, right? The Dem party is not popular but the policy positions it stands for are.
So I'm going to posit a theory to explain it. Basically, it comes down to this.

Democrats fume over weak early response to Trump​

Democrats are fuming about their party leadership’s early response to President Trump.

Strategists say the reaction to Trump is inconsistent and not aggressive enough to combat Trump, who has taken a series of actions to remake the government.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5119639-democrats-frustration-trump-agenda/

More specifically, I think one aspect of the poor polling Dem's get is out of frustration with the party's inability to get legislation passed that the majority favors. Roe was just repealed, gun control legislation has repeatedly been blocked by Repubs, trump is in the process of reversing Biden's laudable efforts with respect to climate change, Medicaid funding has been slashed.

It's hard to be enthusiastic about an ineffectual party that can't deliver on what the majority wants.

Thoughts?

The Democratic Party is not dead, this happened when Reagan won in 84, Clinton won in 92, Bush won in 04, Obama won in 08, and 12. Both parties have been declared dead over and over again. Neither party has a lock on anything, neither is trending long term for everything. The independents swing back and forth. We always know 30% vote Democrat, 30% vote Republican and it’s the 40% that are not loyal to either side that make the difference.

 

[berg80]

There are reasonable counterpoints to the points you made. For example, we wouldn't need to spend as much on Medicaid if people would take better care of their health.

Sure. Heck, we wouldn't need Medicaid at all if everyone was well. Your reply reminds me of the meme from the ACA debate days. "The Repub healthcare plan, don't get sick."

 

[Hafar1014]

Polling has devolved in most cases into nothing more than a propaganda scheme. The sampling methods are dubious, the wording of the questions is manipulated to get the desired result, and the people paying for the polls make it known what result they want.

But there is ONE poll that should make Conservatives quake in their boots and give Democrats a good supply of optimism going forward. It is the "generic" congressional vote. That is, candidates aside, are you more likely to vote for a Democrat or a Republican in the mid-terms. And those polls, which are fairly reliable, tilt strongly to the Democrats. The message of those polls is, the Republicans have to field a slate of well-known "all stars" to have any chance of retaining Congress, especially the House.

2026 Generic Congressional Vote | RealClearPolling

2026 Generic Congressional Vote | RealClearPolling

www.realclearpolling.com

Democrats have lost 2.1 million voters which have now registered GOP. Millions have fled Democrats states and the 2030 census will remove over 10 seats in the house and give them to the GOP states. More people identify as conservative. Democrats have no leaders solutions and still advocate the policies that lost them the last election. The party is in a death spiral with no hope of reform.

 

[berg80]

I am addressing your point.

Roe was overturned, and aboriton is still legal in all 50 states.

Status of Abortion Bans in the United States as of June 2, 2025​

Abortion Banned (12 states)

Gestational limit between 6 and 12 weeks LMP (6 states)

Gestational limit between 18 and 22 weeks LMP (4 states)

Gestational limit at or near viability (19 states)

No gestational limits (9 states & DC)

Abortion in the United States Dashboard | KFF

The Abortion in the U.S. Dashboard is an ongoing research project tracking state abortion policies and litigation following the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

www.kff.org

The point is not where abortion is legal but rather that the Dem party holds a position on the issue that is popular with a majority of Americans.

 

[berg80]

Polling has devolved in most cases into nothing more than a propaganda scheme.

What took you so long? I was waiting for someone to come along who just won't accept reality.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Get a grip on reality, please.

You might as well be an automaton, you are so lacking in original thought.

 

[Hafar1014]

Status of Abortion Bans in the United States as of June 2, 2025​

Abortion Banned (12 states)

Gestational limit between 6 and 12 weeks LMP (6 states)

Gestational limit between 18 and 22 weeks LMP (4 states)

Gestational limit at or near viability (19 states)

No gestational limits (9 states & DC)

Abortion in the United States Dashboard | KFF

The Abortion in the U.S. Dashboard is an ongoing research project tracking state abortion policies and litigation following the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

www.kff.org

The point is not where abortion is legal but rather that the Dem party holds a position on the issue that is popular with a majority of Americans.

The democrat position isnt popular they believe in abortions up to the day of birth

 

[Correll]

Status of Abortion Bans in the United States as of June 2, 2025​

Abortion Banned (12 states)

Gestational limit between 6 and 12 weeks LMP (6 states)

Gestational limit between 18 and 22 weeks LMP (4 states)

Gestational limit at or near viability (19 states)

No gestational limits (9 states & DC)

Abortion in the United States Dashboard | KFF

The Abortion in the U.S. Dashboard is an ongoing research project tracking state abortion policies and litigation following the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

www.kff.org

The point is not where abortion is legal but rather that the Dem party holds a position on the issue that is popular with a majority of Americans.

But, they don't. They, as a party, back the most extreme position, ie aboriton right up to birth.

That is not what AMERICA wants.


your polls are misleading, because they are against a strawman, ie the most extreme PRO-LIFE position, that is not the position of trump or even maga.


YOu are LYING, to make your point.


Because you HAVE TO LIE, to make your point.


Because your point is false.

 

[Darkwind]

Do you doubt that if Repubs had their way it wouldn't be?

But that isn't the issue nor what the thread is about. DO YOU FOLKS EVER JUST RESPOND TO THE SUBJECT OF THREADS???? Does it always have to go down the road of deflection?

You voiced an opinion and then hunted out left wing sources that agreed with your bias.

You use vague terminology like, "Most". What is most? I've seen plenty of information in which a significant number of the population agrees that there should be some restricdtions on abortion and that each state should be permitted to set its own level of morality regarding the issue. To claim Republicans would want a total ban on abortion is projection and not reality.

A majority of Americans are bombarded with propagandized information and significant disinformation regarding climate change that you cannot a statement as to what Americans beleive.

There are NO majorities that back stricter gun laws. Again, the American people have been mislead regarding gun laws and gun regulations and outright lied to about their 2nd Amendment rights.

The cognitive dissonance is with the left. The polls show it, and the disarray and leaderless condition of the Democrat party are proof of that.

 

[berg80]

I wouldn't judge the Republican Party by conservative responses on these boards.

I think you're right about that. Still, support for Dotard and belief in the lie that he won in 2020 is very high among rank and file Repubs.

 

[berg80]

You voiced an opinion and then hunted out left wing sources that agreed with your bias.

All the polls I referenced are skewed because of bias? This kind of denial of reality is what makes having a grown up conversation with you folks so difficult.

 

[Votto]

Quite a bit has been made by the board's conservatives about the Dem party's dismal polling numbers of late. They are frequently cited in response to it being pointed out trump's approval rating has sunken to new lows.
Why do I refer to this phenomenon as creating cognitive dissonance? Here's why.

Most U.S. adults think abortion should be legal 3 years after Roe was overturned, poll shows​

Most U.S. adults think abortion should be legal 3 years after Roe was overturned, poll shows

The new findings from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll show that about two-thirds of U.S. adults think abortion should be legal in all or most cases.

www.pbs.org

A Majority of Americans See Climate Change as a Serious Problem Today​

A Majority of Americans See Climate Change as a Serious Problem Today

Polling report on Americans’ perceptions of extreme weather, including Americans' concerns on climate change and how they believe this year’s weather compares to that of past years.

navigatorresearch.org

Majorities Still Back Stricter Gun Laws, Assault Weapons Ban​

Majorities Still Back Stricter Gun Laws, Assault Weapons Ban

While 56% of Americans favor stricter gun laws in general and 52% back an assault weapons ban, a near-record-low 20% support banning handguns.

news.gallup.com

More Americans favor pathway to legal status for most migrants in US​

https://thehill.com/immigration/5372012-more-americans-favor-pathway-legal-statusmigrants-survey/

Medicaid keeps getting more popular as Republicans aim to cut it by $800 billion​

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/06/17/nx-s1-5435312/medicaid-cuts-big-beautiful-bill-trump-kff-poll

Weird, right? The Dem party is not popular but the policy positions it stands for are.
So I'm going to posit a theory to explain it. Basically, it comes down to this.

Democrats fume over weak early response to Trump​

Democrats are fuming about their party leadership’s early response to President Trump.

Strategists say the reaction to Trump is inconsistent and not aggressive enough to combat Trump, who has taken a series of actions to remake the government.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5119639-democrats-frustration-trump-agenda/

More specifically, I think one aspect of the poor polling Dem's get is out of frustration with the party's inability to get legislation passed that the majority favors. Roe was just repealed, gun control legislation has repeatedly been blocked by Repubs, trump is in the process of reversing Biden's laudable efforts with respect to climate change, Medicaid funding has been slashed.

It's hard to be enthusiastic about an ineffectual party that can't deliver on what the majority wants.

Thoughts?

Listen, you elect an elderly dementia patient to be President, and then when voters nominate him you replace him in the middle of the night without a vote with a word salad machine, and then stand back promoting child genital mutilation and men playing in women's sports at every turn, you get what you get.

Now get bent.

 

[Dekster]

No doubt Biden got falsely blamed for inflation since he was in the chair when it hit.
Issues surrounding COVID got studiply politicized on both sides. The idea of vaccine mandates, which are required of school children to attend public schools, being a denial of liberty is ludicrous.

But this discussion is about policy positions the majority of Americans hold that align with Democrats which most conservative board members seem to be in denial about.

Strange because I thought the thread was about Cognitive dissonance toward democrats. When you piss enough people off enough of the time, they are not going to show up for you even if they agree with you. Anger trumps policy more times than not, especially if you feel like you were being jerked around by the dems.