The blowback from the Media Nazi references and incitement to mob actions.

[Indeependent]

Almost as annoying as repeated accusations of being a Kenyan or a tranny...

Was Trump calling for violence or were we all laughing.
I was laughing.

 

[JakeStarkey]

From reb's link, "a Marion, Ohio human trafficking ring that used migrant children for forced labor on an egg farm. Right-leaning blogs like WesternJournal.com’s Conservative Tribune for example confusingly reported the media was “silent” about the case while aggregating their story from a New York Magazine report:"

 

[JakeStarkey]

"
It’s an obviously false statement that the “left-leaning media stayed strangely silent” about the case, because a simple Google search reveals it has been thoroughly reported on by local and nationaloutlets and is the subject of a PBS documentary film. As the text notes, Conservative Tribune’s own story was based on such reporting.

In July 2015, the U.S. Department of Justice indicted a ring of traffickers led by Aroldo Castillo-Serrano and accused them of smuggling children into the United States. They were also accused of lying to Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) by posing as relatives in order to gain custody of children in its care and use them for forced labor in Marion, a city north of Columbus. The federal indictment, filed in U.S. district court in Ohio accuses Castillo-Serrano and his conspirators of forcing the children to live in squalid trailers and work six or seven 12-hour days a week, using threats and physical violence as coercion.

According to the Justice Department, Castillo-Serrano pleaded guilty in August 2015 to counts related to trafficking. He was sentenced to more than 15 years in prison and ordered to pay restitution to the victims."

 

[ptbw forever]

No one spews out more hysteria or fake news than Donald Trump- and the media is his enemy.

DId you watch the video in the OP? Is that not hysterical? It's on 24/7 on the lefty cable channels. It's even in Salon and the WashPo. Much of it IS fake. They look for opportunities to take childish swats. Like "journalists" posting pics from a Trump rally an HOUR before it starts to claim that was the attendance. It's all folks who have CHUCKED their principles and credibility DOING the reporting..

The media has been my enemy for over a decade. They are gonna get people killed and made stupid. If you're not aware of the dangers -- you've already had your brains sucked out.

They already got people killed over Trayvon and Michael Brown.

 

[JakeStarkey]

So an incident of terrible wrong doing was discovered, litigated, and people punished.

OK.

Notice it was not 'Obama' who 'gave' the children to drug traffickers.

But the silliness ramps when reb excuses Trump by Obama's administration's singular failure.

reb wants Trump to be just like Obama. Right, reb?

 

[Syriusly]

Trump has given ICE far more power than Obama, and the agency is taking full opportunity because of it.

Trump hasn't handed children over to Human traffickers like obama did.

Such a foolish, foolish statement by you with no objective evidence whatsoever.

The Obama administration placed immigrant children with human traffickers.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-obama-administration-children-human-traffickers/
Meltdown in 5,4,3,2,1............

We just don't know how many children that the Trump administration has turned over to human traffickers yet.

 

[ptbw forever]

Yeah. From a buttercup that thinks all this is just funny. You REALLY THINK it's all just fun and games? Where ya gonna run when your revolution gets out of control?

You need to read the signs. It's not funny any more.

I know where I'm running to, and what I will do.

I pray to God it doesn't come to that.

"I pray to God it doesn't come to that."

It will come to that if the MSM isn't stopped, they WANT it to come to that, they are inciting it as MaryL commented in the same way they incited the Ferguson Riots, they whipped things into a frenzy with the most disgusting type of Race Baiting until the Ferguson Riots happened. They are using the same MO with this other thing, they need to be held accountable for their irresponsibility.

Should the media be stopped? Is that really a good thing? (for instance I feel much the same as you expressed about the rightwing media - but they shouldn't be "stopped" other than by the laws we have in place for slander and libel).

Of course not. You CAN'T stop it. Because they've squandered all their credibility and integrity. THEY punished themselves. SOME of the media --- is just a toy of the uber rich left who can afford to SACRIFICE THEM for political purposes. Like Bezons and the WaPo or CNN who is part of the TIME network of "news". The same folks who just ran the phoney cover of Trump intimidating a crying girl and refused to take responsibility for the "journalistic errors"..

They are just pawns being sacrificed. But it LEAVES America in an ever more ignorant and unguided state of concern. There is NO EXCUSE for a 3 day full out Nazi fest in the mainstream media. NONE.. Other than -- they have LOST their mantle of power/responsibility and they have NOTHING to offer or LOSE anymore.

By the way. The cover of Trump intimidating a crying toddler? That was spot on - a metaphor for Trump's policy. He doesn't give A SHIT about those kids.

Just like you all didn't give a shit about kids being pepper sprayed at Trump rallies by Hillary thugs.....

 

[JakeStarkey]

Trump has given ICE far more power than Obama, and the agency is taking full opportunity because of it.

Trump hasn't handed children over to Human traffickers like obama did.

Such a foolish, foolish statement by you with no objective evidence whatsoever.

The Obama administration placed immigrant children with human traffickers.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-obama-administration-children-human-traffickers/
Meltdown in 5,4,3,2,1............

We just don't know how many children that the Trump administration has turned over to human traffickers yet.

They have been giving some to 'foster' parents, so we will see where that goes.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Trump has given ICE far more power than Obama, and the agency is taking full opportunity because of it.

Trump hasn't handed children over to Human traffickers like obama did.

Such a foolish, foolish statement by you with no objective evidence whatsoever.

The Obama administration placed immigrant children with human traffickers.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-obama-administration-children-human-traffickers/
Meltdown in 5,4,3,2,1............

We just don't know how many children that the Trump administration has turned over to human traffickers yet.

They have been giving some to 'foster' parents, so we will see where that goes.

You melted you left and came back with a weak argument lol

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Trump has given ICE far more power than Obama, and the agency is taking full opportunity because of it.

Trump hasn't handed children over to Human traffickers like obama did.

Such a foolish, foolish statement by you with no objective evidence whatsoever.

The Obama administration placed immigrant children with human traffickers.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-obama-administration-children-human-traffickers/
Meltdown in 5,4,3,2,1............

We just don't know how many children that the Trump administration has turned over to human traffickers yet.

0 JUST FOR THE FACT YOU AREN'T AS TURNING A BLIND EYE TO TRUMP AS YOU DID WITH OBAMA.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So an incident of terrible wrong doing was discovered, litigated, and people punished.

OK.

Notice it was not 'Obama' who 'gave' the children to drug traffickers.

But the silliness ramps when reb excuses Trump by Obama's administration's singular failure.

reb wants Trump to be just like Obama. Right, reb?

oh it wasn't obama? what happened to the buck stops with the president?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your fan obssession with Trump simply overwhelms your common sense.

You want Trump to be like Obama.

And the buck stops with Trump.

 

[flacaltenn]

How come you lying trolls never offer an explanation as to what you mean by "sensible" when you puke that word out?

Um... I did. I spelled out the McCain-Kennedy bill as a sensible solution to the problem.

Not the topic of this thread. I'll gladly tell you why that's was not a solution in any thread on immigration.

 

[flacaltenn]

Not gonna do the whole immigration debate in this thread. That's NOT the topic here. Go back and read the OP. If you don't have a comment on the topic -- find another thread. You want to make immigration comments? Address the hysteria of Joe Scarborough talking about "kids getting sent to the showers" and continuing that baiting for several days. MAKE the case that all those hispanic CBP agents at the border are Nazis.

 

[deanrd]

Youre not discussing. You're doing a street protest. The "minor issue" results in 11 to 15 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED in this country. About 3500 a month coming in. A WAVE of 150,000 unescorted juveniles frrom Cent. Amer being WELCOMED in during 2013 to 2016. You're either to ill informed to discuss the topic or youre just playing here. It's A MASSIVE PROBLEM.

Your opinion it's a massive problem. Really doesn't rate high on my give a shit meter, other than how much I enjoy watching the Reich Wing fume about it.

Thing is, we've been talking about sensible immigration reform for 10 years now. Even was a point where Republicans agreed to it. We had McCain-Kennedy that would have resolved these problems. Bush-43 signed on to it. Then the Nativists and Racists hijacked the party, and here's where we are.

Because it abrogates our ability to grant visas to LEGITIMATE asylum or refugee cases and conduct a FAIR immigration and temp worker policy.

It does no such thing. And again, when you have Trump's ICE Jackboots detaining legal immigrants on 18 year old misdemeanors, the argument that you all want to "compromise" rings a tad hollow.

Joe you are mistaken the atrocities happened under obama.
We have received more than 30,000 pages of internal government documents detailing this abuse between 2009 and 2014 throughout the southern border region. These records, obtained through an ACLU Freedom of Information Act request and subsequent litigation, offer a glimpse into an immigration enforcement system that had been plagued by brutality and lawlessness long before Trump was elected.
The Border Patrol Was Monstrous Under Obama. Imagine How Bad It Is Under Trump.

Wow, then Republicans should be really happy with Obama if he was worse than Trump.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Youre not discussing. You're doing a street protest. The "minor issue" results in 11 to 15 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED in this country. About 3500 a month coming in. A WAVE of 150,000 unescorted juveniles frrom Cent. Amer being WELCOMED in during 2013 to 2016. You're either to ill informed to discuss the topic or youre just playing here. It's A MASSIVE PROBLEM.

Your opinion it's a massive problem. Really doesn't rate high on my give a shit meter, other than how much I enjoy watching the Reich Wing fume about it.

Thing is, we've been talking about sensible immigration reform for 10 years now. Even was a point where Republicans agreed to it. We had McCain-Kennedy that would have resolved these problems. Bush-43 signed on to it. Then the Nativists and Racists hijacked the party, and here's where we are.

Because it abrogates our ability to grant visas to LEGITIMATE asylum or refugee cases and conduct a FAIR immigration and temp worker policy.

It does no such thing. And again, when you have Trump's ICE Jackboots detaining legal immigrants on 18 year old misdemeanors, the argument that you all want to "compromise" rings a tad hollow.

Joe you are mistaken the atrocities happened under obama.
We have received more than 30,000 pages of internal government documents detailing this abuse between 2009 and 2014 throughout the southern border region. These records, obtained through an ACLU Freedom of Information Act request and subsequent litigation, offer a glimpse into an immigration enforcement system that had been plagued by brutality and lawlessness long before Trump was elected.
The Border Patrol Was Monstrous Under Obama. Imagine How Bad It Is Under Trump.

Wow, then Republicans should be really happy with Obama if he was worse than Trump.

If? if the media would be honest obama would have been impeached in his 3 rd year

 

[JoeB131]

Not gonna do the whole immigration debate in this thread. That's NOT the topic here. Go back and read the OP. If you don't have a comment on the topic -- find another thread. You want to make immigration comments? Address the hysteria of Joe Scarborough talking about "kids getting sent to the showers" and continuing that baiting for several days. MAKE the case that all those hispanic CBP agents at the border are Nazis.

Who do you think staffed the concentration camps? It was mostly slavs and others who picked the wrong horse.

It's why a guy like John Demanjyuk (sp) spent his last years as a prisoner in Germany for something he did as an 18 year old kid when the Germans invaded Ukraine. The Germans gave their own citizens immunity for what they did under the third Reich, but man, they'll punish the guys who signed up with them.

Meanwhile, we have this little gem.

Migrant children forcibly given psychotropic drugs at US detention centres: Lawsuit | Latest News & Updates at DNAIndia.com

 

[flacaltenn]

Not gonna do the whole immigration debate in this thread. That's NOT the topic here. Go back and read the OP. If you don't have a comment on the topic -- find another thread. You want to make immigration comments? Address the hysteria of Joe Scarborough talking about "kids getting sent to the showers" and continuing that baiting for several days. MAKE the case that all those hispanic CBP agents at the border are Nazis.

Who do you think staffed the concentration camps? It was mostly slavs and others who picked the wrong horse.

It's why a guy like John Demanjyuk (sp) spent his last years as a prisoner in Germany for something he did as an 18 year old kid when the Germans invaded Ukraine. The Germans gave their own citizens immunity for what they did under the third Reich, but man, they'll punish the guys who signed up with them.

Meanwhile, we have this little gem.

Migrant children forcibly given psychotropic drugs at US detention centres: Lawsuit | Latest News & Updates at DNAIndia.com

Were the slavs and poles guarding other slavs and poles? Mostly they were guarding deportees from western Europe. And THOSE were selected by the Nazis.

We're NOT discussing immigration issues here. There is nothing new about the "drugging" charges. These go back to 1997 or so and REAL CIVIL LIBERTARIANS like myself are WELL aware of the accusations. You're not. Because you're ignorant of the history or maliciously AVOIDING this history in order to act out your current Nazi fest hissy fit.


https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/t...or_3_20_13_senate_judiciary_committee_....pdf

Some of the most serious problems have concerned medical care. At one point,
the agency lost track of how many detainees died in its custody.77 (At least 131 ICE
detainees have died in custody since October 2003.78) The Washington Post published a
four-part series titled “Careless Detention: Medical Care in Immigrant Prisons,” which
concluded with an examination of the horrific practice of forcibly drugging detainees for
deportation, which appears to have ended only after an ACLU lawsuit.79 The Post
collaborated with CBS News’s 60 Minutes, resulting in a broadcast segment featuring
extensive “evidence that immigrants are suffering from neglect and some don’t survive
detention in America.”80 The Post noted in 2008 that the leading cause of death is
suicide, adding that care for psychiatric disabilities was grossly deficient: “Suicidal
detainees can go undetected or unmonitored.”81

Psychotropic drugs cover a BROAD range of anti-depressants, tranquilizers, ADHD drugs, and other medications that children MIGHT NEED after riding the death trains up through Mexico and getting mugged, raped and otherwise abused by gangs, cartels and smugglers.

No Nazis under the bed here. In fact -- they apparently are not getting ENOUGH psychotropic drugs to treat their mental issues. Calm the fuck down and read for the facts without going to INDIA to find an outrage.

 

[JoeB131]

We're NOT discussing immigration issues here. There is nothing new about the "drugging" charges. These go back to 1997 or so and REAL CIVIL LIBERTARIANS like myself are WELL aware of the accusations. You're not. Because you're ignorant of the history or maliciously AVOIDING this history in order to act out your current Nazi fest hissy fit.

wait a minute, how can we not discuss if calling Trump a Nazi is justified or not if we can't talkabout how he is treating immigrants in internment camps.

Psychotropic drugs cover a BROAD range of anti-depressants, tranquilizers, ADHD drugs, and other medications that children MIGHT NEED after riding the death trains up through Mexico and getting mugged, raped and otherwise abused by gangs, cartels and smugglers.

They might. And I'm sure the Zylex-B had perfectly valid uses as well...

Would be nice if we could get independent investigators into those camps to make sure these kids aren't just being drugged up to keep them docile. It would also be nice if their parents were consulted before hand... you know, like we would do with WHITE kids.

No Nazis under the bed here. In fact -- they apparently are not getting ENOUGH psychotropic drugs to treat their mental issues. Calm the fuck down and read for the facts without going to INDIA to find an outrage.

India was just the first link, I found others.

I'll calm down when these camps are closed. not before.

 

[flacaltenn]

We're NOT discussing immigration issues here. There is nothing new about the "drugging" charges. These go back to 1997 or so and REAL CIVIL LIBERTARIANS like myself are WELL aware of the accusations. You're not. Because you're ignorant of the history or maliciously AVOIDING this history in order to act out your current Nazi fest hissy fit.

wait a minute, how can we not discuss if calling Trump a Nazi is justified or not if we can't talkabout how he is treating immigrants in internment camps.

Psychotropic drugs cover a BROAD range of anti-depressants, tranquilizers, ADHD drugs, and other medications that children MIGHT NEED after riding the death trains up through Mexico and getting mugged, raped and otherwise abused by gangs, cartels and smugglers.

They might. And I'm sure the Zylex-B had perfectly valid uses as well...

Would be nice if we could get independent investigators into those camps to make sure these kids aren't just being drugged up to keep them docile. It would also be nice if their parents were consulted before hand... you know, like we would do with WHITE kids.

No Nazis under the bed here. In fact -- they apparently are not getting ENOUGH psychotropic drugs to treat their mental issues. Calm the fuck down and read for the facts without going to INDIA to find an outrage.

India was just the first link, I found others.

I'll calm down when these camps are closed. not before.

The cause of freedom and holding the govt accountable doesn't NEED folks like you who get SELECTIVELY indignant when it's only about shifts of partisan power.. You're hypocrisy to consistency ratio on "outrage" is off the charts here.