The Big Lie

[Sinajuavi]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

It did not happen. It is white-right bullshit, lies perpetrated to rationalize attempts at insurrection by traitors who wish to install a perverted fat orange dictator.

Are you among those traitors, boy? Then get out of my country now.

 

[Sinajuavi]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

Good point. Reagan ended that for a reason, and we're seeing that reason now. Without the Fairness Doctrine, white-right media can behave like Radio Rwanda with predictable results...

 

[Sinajuavi]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

Russian interference is proven, and in many countries, not only the USA. Trumpolini of course welcomed it, well, in fact, he had no choice as he must do whatever Putin tells him to do or be exposed...

 

[Sinajuavi]

Another insignificant load from Brietbart, what school of journalism teaches biased propaganda for the introductory paragraph?

And that would make them different from your sources? FAIL.

White-right media has for years been in full-Goebbels mode. Lies lies and more lies, repeatedly endlessly until the scared insecure confused white-right minions believe them.

No, fools, Democrats are not Communists, George Soros isn't running the world, there are no Jewish space lasers, and Trumpolini is a semi-literate psychotic buffoon. Catch a clue, morons.

 

[Correll]

No, this is nothing to do with that. This is you bringing up a point about Trump's thinking, making a point based on your insight into his thinking, and then dismissing my response, because I am speculating about his thinking.

LOL

A Trump acolyte feels compelled to speculate about Trump's thinking because he can't deal with what Trump actually said.

You are a fucking asshole. Most of my post here have been on what TRump clearly and explicitly said.


Another poster made a point about something else, that Trump was supposedly thinking.


THat you took that comment out of context and pretended that it was in relation to Trump's speech, is you being a lying faggot.


That you realize that you have to use such dishonest tactics to defend your position, is your brain realizing that you are full of shit, on this issue.


And that you are a faggot.

LOLOLOL

I don't know what's funnier.... that you think anyone besides you cares what you think... or that you speak for Trump.

You attack ME, for speaking about what Trump might think, while you have been doing that for weeks in this very thread.


YOu are just a troll asshole.

 

[Correll]

Do you understand that I and Trump disagree with you on that?

LOLOL

Dumbfuck, you don't speak for Trump. Trump speaks for Trump. And among a racist rally, Trump said there were "very fine people."

I can read what he said, and talk about it's clear and obvious meaning.


That you attack me for that is just you being a troll asshole.

 

[Faun]

No, this is nothing to do with that. This is you bringing up a point about Trump's thinking, making a point based on your insight into his thinking, and then dismissing my response, because I am speculating about his thinking.

LOL

A Trump acolyte feels compelled to speculate about Trump's thinking because he can't deal with what Trump actually said.

You are a fucking asshole. Most of my post here have been on what TRump clearly and explicitly said.


Another poster made a point about something else, that Trump was supposedly thinking.


THat you took that comment out of context and pretended that it was in relation to Trump's speech, is you being a lying faggot.


That you realize that you have to use such dishonest tactics to defend your position, is your brain realizing that you are full of shit, on this issue.


And that you are a faggot.

LOLOLOL

I don't know what's funnier.... that you think anyone besides you cares what you think... or that you speak for Trump.

You attack ME, for speaking about what Trump might think, while you have been doing that for weeks in this very thread.


YOu are just a troll asshole.

I did no such thing loser. I am going by what he said, not what he thinks. You're the one claiming you can read his mind. And what he said of a racist rally is that some of them are "very fine people."

 

[Faun]

Do you understand that I and Trump disagree with you on that?

LOLOL

Dumbfuck, you don't speak for Trump. Trump speaks for Trump. And among a racist rally, Trump said there were "very fine people."

I can read what he said, and talk about it's clear and obvious meaning.


That you attack me for that is just you being a troll asshole.

LOLOL

You already admitted you made it up.

 

[Correll]

No, this is nothing to do with that. This is you bringing up a point about Trump's thinking, making a point based on your insight into his thinking, and then dismissing my response, because I am speculating about his thinking.

LOL

A Trump acolyte feels compelled to speculate about Trump's thinking because he can't deal with what Trump actually said.

You are a fucking asshole. Most of my post here have been on what TRump clearly and explicitly said.


Another poster made a point about something else, that Trump was supposedly thinking.


THat you took that comment out of context and pretended that it was in relation to Trump's speech, is you being a lying faggot.


That you realize that you have to use such dishonest tactics to defend your position, is your brain realizing that you are full of shit, on this issue.


And that you are a faggot.

LOLOLOL

I don't know what's funnier.... that you think anyone besides you cares what you think... or that you speak for Trump.

You attack ME, for speaking about what Trump might think, while you have been doing that for weeks in this very thread.


YOu are just a troll asshole.

I did no such thing loser. I am going by what he said, not what he thinks. You're the one claiming you can read his mind. And what he said of a racist rally is that some of them are "very fine people."

Oh? He listed some ws, and you decided that means he must have meant that other ws were the "Very fine people".

And you have held to that, despite it being absurd and it showing you to be a complete asshole consistently.


That is you making assumptions about what he thought, and discussing it.


You are a fucking moron.

 

[Correll]

Do you understand that I and Trump disagree with you on that?

LOLOL

Dumbfuck, you don't speak for Trump. Trump speaks for Trump. And among a racist rally, Trump said there were "very fine people."

I can read what he said, and talk about it's clear and obvious meaning.


That you attack me for that is just you being a troll asshole.

LOLOL

You already admitted you made it up.

YOu are lying. Constantly.

 

[Faun]

No, this is nothing to do with that. This is you bringing up a point about Trump's thinking, making a point based on your insight into his thinking, and then dismissing my response, because I am speculating about his thinking.

LOL

A Trump acolyte feels compelled to speculate about Trump's thinking because he can't deal with what Trump actually said.

You are a fucking asshole. Most of my post here have been on what TRump clearly and explicitly said.


Another poster made a point about something else, that Trump was supposedly thinking.


THat you took that comment out of context and pretended that it was in relation to Trump's speech, is you being a lying faggot.


That you realize that you have to use such dishonest tactics to defend your position, is your brain realizing that you are full of shit, on this issue.


And that you are a faggot.

LOLOLOL

I don't know what's funnier.... that you think anyone besides you cares what you think... or that you speak for Trump.

You attack ME, for speaking about what Trump might think, while you have been doing that for weeks in this very thread.


YOu are just a troll asshole.

I did no such thing loser. I am going by what he said, not what he thinks. You're the one claiming you can read his mind. And what he said of a racist rally is that some of them are "very fine people."

Oh? He listed some ws, and you decided that means he must have meant that other ws were the "Very fine people".

And you have held to that, despite it being absurd and it showing you to be a complete asshole consistently.


That is you making assumptions about what he thought, and discussing it.


You are a fucking moron.

I assumed nothing, dumbfuck. It's what he said. There was a racist rally of various rightwing racist groups. Trump said some of them were "very fine people." So which ones did he mean? Not white supremacists, KKK or neo-Nazis as he condemned them. That leaves the Proud Boys and the neo-Confederates.

 

[Correll]

No, this is nothing to do with that. This is you bringing up a point about Trump's thinking, making a point based on your insight into his thinking, and then dismissing my response, because I am speculating about his thinking.

LOL

A Trump acolyte feels compelled to speculate about Trump's thinking because he can't deal with what Trump actually said.

You are a fucking asshole. Most of my post here have been on what TRump clearly and explicitly said.


Another poster made a point about something else, that Trump was supposedly thinking.


THat you took that comment out of context and pretended that it was in relation to Trump's speech, is you being a lying faggot.


That you realize that you have to use such dishonest tactics to defend your position, is your brain realizing that you are full of shit, on this issue.


And that you are a faggot.

LOLOLOL

I don't know what's funnier.... that you think anyone besides you cares what you think... or that you speak for Trump.

You attack ME, for speaking about what Trump might think, while you have been doing that for weeks in this very thread.


YOu are just a troll asshole.

I did no such thing loser. I am going by what he said, not what he thinks. You're the one claiming you can read his mind. And what he said of a racist rally is that some of them are "very fine people."

Oh? He listed some ws, and you decided that means he must have meant that other ws were the "Very fine people".

And you have held to that, despite it being absurd and it showing you to be a complete asshole consistently.


That is you making assumptions about what he thought, and discussing it.


You are a fucking moron.

I assumed nothing, dumbfuck. It's what he said. There was a racist rally of various rightwing racist groups. Trump said some of them were "very fine people." So which ones did he mean? Not white supremacists, KKK or neo-Nazis as he condemned them. That leaves the Proud Boys and the neo-Confederates.

You assume that he agrees with your assessment of the rally.

As I have repeatedly brought to your attention and you still pretend to be too retarded to understand.

 

[Faun]

LOLOL

You already admitted you made it up.

YOu are lying. Constantly.

It ain't no lie, con. It's what YOU admitted...

...I am speculating about his thinking.

 

[Faun]

You assume that he agrees with your assessment of the rally.

As I have repeatedly brought to your attention and you still pretend to be too retarded to understand.

I'm not assuming anything, it's what he said, lying con. Speaking of those attending a racist rally, he said there were "very fine people."

 

[bodecea]

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

<crickets>

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

Oh, sorry I missed that post.

Well, are you asking my opinion, or asking me to specify what Trump was referring to?

REgardless, I'm glad you are not denying that Trump was right to denounce the violence and hatred from both sides, including from the left.


The point is, Trump denounced both sides for their bad behavior, the violent and hateful left (antifa/blm) and the violent and hateful right?, (w.s.).

As he well should have.

How about answering the question?

It was a riot. I have no idea what particular act(s) he was referring to.

He made a statement condemning the violence, bigotry and hate on BOTH sides.


Nit picking over which act of bigotry from the LEFT he was referring to, is fucking stupid.


You are just trying to avoid dealing with the fact that he condemned the violence, bigotry and hatred, as he well should have.


His response was nearly perfect and you are nit picking like the asshole you are.

So what was this display of bigotry on the left he was talking about?

Answered above.

And sure like all the people Trump used eventually he threw Proud Boys under the bus too. No surprise.

‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (Published 2021)

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

www.nytimes.com

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.

That has no relevance to anything in this thread. You are bringing it up, BECAUSE it has no relevance.


You people lied. You people lied A BIG LIE.


One big enough to swing the election.


Thus, the election is not legitimate.

There were exit polls…how many people listed Trump’s perceived ambivalence towards racists as a reason not to vote for him? (ambivalence he displayed over and over)

The blob did get the INCEL vote...

He got 99.9% of the racist vote. He wasn’t going to trade that for a minuscule increase in the black vote…he HAD to play footsie with the racists that supported him.

Trump lost because of COVID, period. If he had responded more effectively to the pandemic, he would’ve been reelected.

You people are delusional. White Racists have been completely marginalized since the mid 60s. Which is why you people are so focused on fighting them.

Trump would love to have more of the minority vote. Hell, it has been a common point of discussion that without being able to do that, republicans are doomed as a national party.


Your lie here, is part of a larger lie, that republicans are wacist, so that you people can keep your lock on the minority votes.


You are lying assholes like that.

He wasn’t willing to condemn racists because they supported him. We all know it.

All Republicans are not racist. Most racists VOTE Republican. That is nobody’s fault but Republicans.

He repeatedly and clearly condemned ws.

Your denial is you being a liar.


That you lie, shows that you fear that if the voters knew the Truth, they would vote against you.

Only after public pressure. Each and every time he was first asked to condemn someone or some thing having to do with white supremacy he equivocated. When public pressure over his equivocation would mount, then he would come out with a prepared statement. (Prepared by someone else)

He told the hate group to stand by....and we saw what happened on 1/6.

Let's talk honestly here. IF trump did not cause the Jan 6th insurrection, that means those people rioted on their own, inherently violent people, unsafe people who need to be removed from safe society.

Or be allowed to still own guns.

That would be terrible if these folks had to be stripped of all of their weaponry. LOL

But very funny too.

 

[bodecea]

No, this is nothing to do with that. This is you bringing up a point about Trump's thinking, making a point based on your insight into his thinking, and then dismissing my response, because I am speculating about his thinking.

LOL

A Trump acolyte feels compelled to speculate about Trump's thinking because he can't deal with what Trump actually said.

You are a fucking asshole. Most of my post here have been on what TRump clearly and explicitly said.


Another poster made a point about something else, that Trump was supposedly thinking.


THat you took that comment out of context and pretended that it was in relation to Trump's speech, is you being a lying faggot.


That you realize that you have to use such dishonest tactics to defend your position, is your brain realizing that you are full of shit, on this issue.


And that you are a faggot.

LOLOLOL

I don't know what's funnier.... that you think anyone besides you cares what you think... or that you speak for Trump.

You attack ME, for speaking about what Trump might think, while you have been doing that for weeks in this very thread.


YOu are just a troll asshole.

Uh oh....you've been attacked again? Roll out the name-calling.

 

[bodecea]

Were all these white racists Democrats? Republicans keep saying it was them who ended slavery but today it seems like they are the KKKlanmen of yesterday.

They try to deny it but the parties have switched. The conservative south has always been the most racist region of the country. It still is. But back then, it was primarily Democrat. Now it's primarily Republican. But it's always been conservative.

It was very telling that when the Republicans rolled out their Southern Strategy, the con-servative racists in the South couldn't switch parties fast enough. Hanging onto their racism was 100% more important than sticking with a political party.

 

[Correll]

You assume that he agrees with your assessment of the rally.

As I have repeatedly brought to your attention and you still pretend to be too retarded to understand.

I'm not assuming anything, it's what he said, lying con. Speaking of those attending a racist rally, he said there were "very fine people."

He does not share your assumption that everyone there was wacist.

Your insistence otherwise, is you being an retarded lying asshole.

 

[Faun]

You assume that he agrees with your assessment of the rally.

As I have repeatedly brought to your attention and you still pretend to be too retarded to understand.

I'm not assuming anything, it's what he said, lying con. Speaking of those attending a racist rally, he said there were "very fine people."

He does not share your assumption that everyone there was wacist.

Your insistence otherwise, is you being an retarded lying asshole.

You already admitted you're making that up...

...I am speculating about his thinking.

... you should stop doing that.

 

[Correll]

No, this is nothing to do with that. This is you bringing up a point about Trump's thinking, making a point based on your insight into his thinking, and then dismissing my response, because I am speculating about his thinking.

LOL

A Trump acolyte feels compelled to speculate about Trump's thinking because he can't deal with what Trump actually said.

You are a fucking asshole. Most of my post here have been on what TRump clearly and explicitly said.


Another poster made a point about something else, that Trump was supposedly thinking.


THat you took that comment out of context and pretended that it was in relation to Trump's speech, is you being a lying faggot.


That you realize that you have to use such dishonest tactics to defend your position, is your brain realizing that you are full of shit, on this issue.


And that you are a faggot.

LOLOLOL

I don't know what's funnier.... that you think anyone besides you cares what you think... or that you speak for Trump.

You attack ME, for speaking about what Trump might think, while you have been doing that for weeks in this very thread.


YOu are just a troll asshole.

Uh oh....you've been attacked again? Roll out the name-calling.

I described his behavior accurately.

You can go away now, retard.