The Big Lie

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As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

<crickets>

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

Oh, sorry I missed that post.

Well, are you asking my opinion, or asking me to specify what Trump was referring to?

REgardless, I'm glad you are not denying that Trump was right to denounce the violence and hatred from both sides, including from the left.


The point is, Trump denounced both sides for their bad behavior, the violent and hateful left (antifa/blm) and the violent and hateful right?, (w.s.).

As he well should have.

How about answering the question?

It was a riot. I have no idea what particular act(s) he was referring to.

He made a statement condemning the violence, bigotry and hate on BOTH sides.


Nit picking over which act of bigotry from the LEFT he was referring to, is fucking stupid.


You are just trying to avoid dealing with the fact that he condemned the violence, bigotry and hatred, as he well should have.


His response was nearly perfect and you are nit picking like the asshole you are.

So what was this display of bigotry on the left he was talking about?

Answered above.

And sure like all the people Trump used eventually he threw Proud Boys under the bus too. No surprise.

‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (Published 2021)

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

www.nytimes.com

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.

That has no relevance to anything in this thread. You are bringing it up, BECAUSE it has no relevance.


You people lied. You people lied A BIG LIE.


One big enough to swing the election.


Thus, the election is not legitimate.

There were exit polls…how many people listed Trump’s perceived ambivalence towards racists as a reason not to vote for him? (ambivalence he displayed over and over)

The blob did get the INCEL vote...

He got 99.9% of the racist vote. He wasn’t going to trade that for a minuscule increase in the black vote…he HAD to play footsie with the racists that supported him.

Trump lost because of COVID, period. If he had responded more effectively to the pandemic, he would’ve been reelected.

You people are delusional. White Racists have been completely marginalized since the mid 60s. Which is why you people are so focused on fighting them.

Trump would love to have more of the minority vote. Hell, it has been a common point of discussion that without being able to do that, republicans are doomed as a national party.


Your lie here, is part of a larger lie, that republicans are wacist, so that you people can keep your lock on the minority votes.


You are lying assholes like that.

He wasn’t willing to condemn racists because they supported him. We all know it.

All Republicans are not racist. Most racists VOTE Republican. That is nobody’s fault but Republicans.

He repeatedly and clearly condemned ws.

Your denial is you being a liar.


That you lie, shows that you fear that if the voters knew the Truth, they would vote against you.

Only after public pressure. Each and every time he was first asked to condemn someone or some thing having to do with white supremacy he equivocated. When public pressure over his equivocation would mount, then he would come out with a prepared statement. (Prepared by someone else)

if you can't be honest about this, "and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists"

what are the odds you can be trusted to tell the truth about "only after public pressure" or " he equivocated"?


Rhetorical question. You are a horrific liar. Your words, your judgements, have no weight.

I posted links, cultist.

You people lied as a group and stuck and are sticking to your lies, even when the actual transcripts are repeatedly shoved in your face.


NOTHING YOU SAY, about any situation with any ambiguity has any credibility.

No, that is not strong enough,

Anything you say, in any situation with ANY ambiguity, has ANTI-CREDIBILITY.

Well you think the election was stolen so we aren't taking you at all seriously anymore. Anyone who thinks the election was rigged is an idiot.

Yeah, but you got to give him mad props for his unique explanation as to how it was “stolen”. Using his logic, Hillary Clinton had the election stolen from her in 2016 because of the outrageous lies Trump told about her her.

And didn't Trump steal the GOP nominee from Ted Cruz when he accused Ted's father of being involved in the Kennedy assassination?

“Ted Cruz didn’t win Iowa, he stole it,” Trump (@realDonaldTrump) tweeted. “That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!”

Same dipshit, same batshit, different election. 'They stole it!!' is Trump's go to for any election he loses. Does this ring any bells?

“Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified,” Trump wrote.

Dipshits are gonna dip, I guess.

Yeah, but we have a whole new dipshit, Correll , claiming Trump lost because the “MSM” lied about Donald Trump and what he said in Charlottesville. That would mean Trump stole the primary from Cruz because he lied about Cruz’s father and it would mean that he stole the 2016 election from Hillary Clinton because he lied about her constantly.

Re:The OP, to make a BIG LIE stick, you need to control the means of information. Trump does not. He can talk some shit, that don't mean nothing.

YOU PEOPLE, can make it stick, even when it is the most absurd shit, like pretending that "not w.s." means, "w.s.".

Trump had more media coverage in 2016 than all the other candidates combined. Trump now has at least three media outlets and a Russian President dedicated to broadcasting his lies. Argument fail. (And you still have zero evidence to support your claim. No poll, survey, interview, nothing)

Sure, negative coverage.

LOL!! "Russia president"? So funny to see lefties red baiting.

THe big Three, Big Tech, Hollywood, Cancel culture, your side's grip on the means of information is strong and you are growing ever more abusive and tyrannical in your exercise of it.


Support my claim? You people are pretending to not know what "not" means.


lol!!!

No sugar it wasn’t negative coverage. Jesus H Christ on a raft you live in upside fucking down world.

Research: Media Coverage of the 2016 Election | Shorenstein Center

The Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy produced a multi-part research series analyzing news media coverage of candidates and issues during the 2016 presidential election. The reports were authored by Thomas E. Patterson, Bradlee Professor of Government and the Press, with...

shorensteincenter.org

Key findings:

• During 2015, major news outlets covered Donald Trump in an unusual way given his low initial polling numbers—a high volume of media coverage preceded Trump’s rise in polls.
• Trump’s coverage was positive in tone—he received far more “good press” than “bad press,” largely in the context of the “horserace,” centering on his growing crowds and momentum. The coverage helped propel Trump to the top of Republican polls.
• The Democratic race in 2015 received less than half the coverage of the Republican race, partly as a result of journalists’ focus on Trump.
• Bernie Sanders’ campaign was largely ignored in the early months but, as he began to get coverage, it was overwhelmingly positive in tone. Sanders’ coverage in 2015 was the most favorable of any of the top candidates, Republican or Democratic.
• Hillary Clinton had by far the most negative coverage of any candidate. In 11 of the 12 months, her “bad news” outpaced her “good news,” usually by a wide margin, contributing to her increasingly unfavorable poll ratings in 2015.

I will tell you what is upside down. People being persecuted for their political beliefs. Your own government telling us questioning what they are saying makes you a traitor. How dumb are you people? A child can see this kind of crap. It is not patriotic and it is un American.

That’s not happening. People are being prosecuted for breaking the law not persecuted for political beliefs.

More fucking lies, that A won't fool anyone , and B. won't change the way it escalates teh conflict.

Uh Oh. Somebody’s getting pissy and mad and threatening again. You ARE a caricature…

When you start putting people in jail based on partisan politics...

yes, people will get angry.


That you think... you can just say words and that will mean anything, while you are imprisoning your political enemies,


is you kidding yourself.

Sorry, Vlad, that's not actually happening. People who rioted and tried to break in and kill members of Congress and the Vice President are being charged with the actual crimes they committed.

You can shake your fists in impotent rage all you want. Law breakers are still going to go to jail and you still won't do shit.

They are being investigated and targeted far more aggressively than other rioters of the last 4 years.


Based on partisan politics.


That makes anyone serving time, from that, political prisoners.

Your denial of this fact, is irrelevant.


It might help you avoid facing your responsibility for the escalation in the political conflict in this country.


But, self delusion is not normally considered a good thing.

You saying it doesn’t make it true. PROVE it.

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

<crickets>

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

Oh, sorry I missed that post.

Well, are you asking my opinion, or asking me to specify what Trump was referring to?

REgardless, I'm glad you are not denying that Trump was right to denounce the violence and hatred from both sides, including from the left.


The point is, Trump denounced both sides for their bad behavior, the violent and hateful left (antifa/blm) and the violent and hateful right?, (w.s.).

As he well should have.

How about answering the question?

It was a riot. I have no idea what particular act(s) he was referring to.

He made a statement condemning the violence, bigotry and hate on BOTH sides.


Nit picking over which act of bigotry from the LEFT he was referring to, is fucking stupid.


You are just trying to avoid dealing with the fact that he condemned the violence, bigotry and hatred, as he well should have.


His response was nearly perfect and you are nit picking like the asshole you are.

So what was this display of bigotry on the left he was talking about?

Answered above.

And sure like all the people Trump used eventually he threw Proud Boys under the bus too. No surprise.

‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (Published 2021)

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

www.nytimes.com

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.

That has no relevance to anything in this thread. You are bringing it up, BECAUSE it has no relevance.


You people lied. You people lied A BIG LIE.


One big enough to swing the election.


Thus, the election is not legitimate.

There were exit polls…how many people listed Trump’s perceived ambivalence towards racists as a reason not to vote for him? (ambivalence he displayed over and over)

The blob did get the INCEL vote...

He got 99.9% of the racist vote. He wasn’t going to trade that for a minuscule increase in the black vote…he HAD to play footsie with the racists that supported him.

Trump lost because of COVID, period. If he had responded more effectively to the pandemic, he would’ve been reelected.

You people are delusional. White Racists have been completely marginalized since the mid 60s. Which is why you people are so focused on fighting them.

Trump would love to have more of the minority vote. Hell, it has been a common point of discussion that without being able to do that, republicans are doomed as a national party.


Your lie here, is part of a larger lie, that republicans are wacist, so that you people can keep your lock on the minority votes.


You are lying assholes like that.

He wasn’t willing to condemn racists because they supported him. We all know it.

All Republicans are not racist. Most racists VOTE Republican. That is nobody’s fault but Republicans.

He repeatedly and clearly condemned ws.

Your denial is you being a liar.


That you lie, shows that you fear that if the voters knew the Truth, they would vote against you.

Only after public pressure. Each and every time he was first asked to condemn someone or some thing having to do with white supremacy he equivocated. When public pressure over his equivocation would mount, then he would come out with a prepared statement. (Prepared by someone else)

if you can't be honest about this, "and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists"

what are the odds you can be trusted to tell the truth about "only after public pressure" or " he equivocated"?


Rhetorical question. You are a horrific liar. Your words, your judgements, have no weight.

I posted links, cultist.

You people lied as a group and stuck and are sticking to your lies, even when the actual transcripts are repeatedly shoved in your face.


NOTHING YOU SAY, about any situation with any ambiguity has any credibility.

No, that is not strong enough,

Anything you say, in any situation with ANY ambiguity, has ANTI-CREDIBILITY.

I absolutely adore how reporting exactly what Trump said is “lying” about him. Would you like more links about Trump’s tacit approval of racists? Okay!

Analysis: Why won't Donald Trump condemn white nationalism?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Why doesn't President Donald Trump just unequivocally condemn white supremacists? It's a jarring question to ask about an American president.

apnews.com

The president was silent when journalists asked whether he rejected the support of nationalist groups.

That silence was cheered by the white supremacist website Daily Stormer: “When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”

What does it tell you when the racists believe he supports them?

You are perpetuating a lie. Go get yourself a treat, and get off the internet. Thanks.

Nope, just reporting on what the former President said and did. Whether or not Trump actually is racist we may never know. There is plenty of evidence to support the theory that he is, but the racists believe he is. What does that say?

You will never "know" because you can interpret "not them" as "them", in your search for "evidence" to support your self serving conclusions.

Oh, I think we could know. Like if the Apprentice tapes get released.

It is a fact that the racists believe that Trump is one of them. What does that tell you?

If there was anything on those tapes it would have been released before the election. And where are these racists at? Chicago, where the Black mayor refuses to talk to white reporters?

Oh, there is something on those tapes. Why else would he fight so hard to keep them secret?

At a guess, because he knows that dishonest assholes of the type that see "not w.s." as, "w.s.", will be going deep diving in them "looking" for shit to throw at the wall.

And by "looking" I mean, lying their leftard asses off about.

If the tapes don’t show him being a racist douche, what’s the worry?

You people have shown, a lot, that you are filthy liars that would claim that ANYTHING, is wacist.


Like retarded monkeys throwing shit at a wall.

Uh huh. If the Apprentice tapes have him flat out using the N word as alleged, you’ll defend him anyway. It’s your job as sycophant.

LOL!!! Dude. You can listen to a tape of Trump saying, "and I'm NOT talking about w.s." and you hear him say, "and I am talking about w.s.".


So, how can we even discuss tapes? You imagine what you want to hear, or not hear.


NOt to mention, if America was half,...no, a TENTH, as wacist as you retards claim to believe it is, you would not have to be searching for evidence of it is secret tapes and hidden dog whistles. YOu would be able to point to formal government policies and laws, that require racist discrimination.

Like Affirmative Action and Disparate Impact Theory.

Sorry, you’re confusing me with someone else that you’re having that conversation with.

He could say it, spell it and send it up in smoke signals. You would remain as slavishly devoted as you are now.

You lefties do tend to blur together.

Not being someone who hates me and is as much of in your face assholes as you people are, makes Trump the easy one to support as opposed to evil leftards like yourself.

Thanks for admitting you wouldn't care if Trump was on tape saying the N word.

You're welcome.

Do you have the balls to admit that you wouldn't care either, either way?

Oh, I would care. I would care because it would prove you even more wrong than you already are. And then your non-caring would prove me right about you.

Dude. Did you really misunderstand that, or are you just talking shit now?


Do you have the balls to admit that it would not matter to YOUR OPINION on Trump, either way, whether the tapes supported your assumptions or contradicted them? You evasive shithead.

Well that’s just dumb. Of course it’s not gonna change my opinion of him. I already think he’s one of the worst people on the planet. The question is will it change your opinion of him? I think the answer is no it will not. You already don’t care that he is a racist piece of shit. You’re not gonna care when it’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I can't wait to see who the next Republican leader is. Right now the person has to believe the election is rigged. And has to say it in public. So they have to nominate a nut. Not a guy like Paul Ryan. I could almost stand a guy like Paul Ryan and he would push all the same shit Trump pushed. Same conservative judges, deregulations, deny global warming, anti abortion, etc. But at least he wouldn't be corrupt.

My nephew likes Ron DeSantis. What do we know about this guy?

BULLSHIT. The media would come up with a "reason" that Paul Ryan was suddenly evul and/or wacist, and you would fall in line, like a good little serf

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

<crickets>

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

Oh, sorry I missed that post.

Well, are you asking my opinion, or asking me to specify what Trump was referring to?

REgardless, I'm glad you are not denying that Trump was right to denounce the violence and hatred from both sides, including from the left.


The point is, Trump denounced both sides for their bad behavior, the violent and hateful left (antifa/blm) and the violent and hateful right?, (w.s.).

As he well should have.

How about answering the question?

It was a riot. I have no idea what particular act(s) he was referring to.

He made a statement condemning the violence, bigotry and hate on BOTH sides.


Nit picking over which act of bigotry from the LEFT he was referring to, is fucking stupid.


You are just trying to avoid dealing with the fact that he condemned the violence, bigotry and hatred, as he well should have.


His response was nearly perfect and you are nit picking like the asshole you are.

So what was this display of bigotry on the left he was talking about?

Answered above.

And sure like all the people Trump used eventually he threw Proud Boys under the bus too. No surprise.

‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (Published 2021)

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

www.nytimes.com

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.

That has no relevance to anything in this thread. You are bringing it up, BECAUSE it has no relevance.


You people lied. You people lied A BIG LIE.


One big enough to swing the election.


Thus, the election is not legitimate.

There were exit polls…how many people listed Trump’s perceived ambivalence towards racists as a reason not to vote for him? (ambivalence he displayed over and over)

The blob did get the INCEL vote...

He got 99.9% of the racist vote. He wasn’t going to trade that for a minuscule increase in the black vote…he HAD to play footsie with the racists that supported him.

Trump lost because of COVID, period. If he had responded more effectively to the pandemic, he would’ve been reelected.

You people are delusional. White Racists have been completely marginalized since the mid 60s. Which is why you people are so focused on fighting them.

Trump would love to have more of the minority vote. Hell, it has been a common point of discussion that without being able to do that, republicans are doomed as a national party.


Your lie here, is part of a larger lie, that republicans are wacist, so that you people can keep your lock on the minority votes.


You are lying assholes like that.

He wasn’t willing to condemn racists because they supported him. We all know it.

All Republicans are not racist. Most racists VOTE Republican. That is nobody’s fault but Republicans.

He repeatedly and clearly condemned ws.

Your denial is you being a liar.


That you lie, shows that you fear that if the voters knew the Truth, they would vote against you.

Only after public pressure. Each and every time he was first asked to condemn someone or some thing having to do with white supremacy he equivocated. When public pressure over his equivocation would mount, then he would come out with a prepared statement. (Prepared by someone else)

if you can't be honest about this, "and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists"

what are the odds you can be trusted to tell the truth about "only after public pressure" or " he equivocated"?


Rhetorical question. You are a horrific liar. Your words, your judgements, have no weight.

I posted links, cultist.

You people lied as a group and stuck and are sticking to your lies, even when the actual transcripts are repeatedly shoved in your face.


NOTHING YOU SAY, about any situation with any ambiguity has any credibility.

No, that is not strong enough,

Anything you say, in any situation with ANY ambiguity, has ANTI-CREDIBILITY.

Well you think the election was stolen so we aren't taking you at all seriously anymore. Anyone who thinks the election was rigged is an idiot.

Yeah, but you got to give him mad props for his unique explanation as to how it was “stolen”. Using his logic, Hillary Clinton had the election stolen from her in 2016 because of the outrageous lies Trump told about her her.

And didn't Trump steal the GOP nominee from Ted Cruz when he accused Ted's father of being involved in the Kennedy assassination?

“Ted Cruz didn’t win Iowa, he stole it,” Trump (@realDonaldTrump) tweeted. “That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!”

Same dipshit, same batshit, different election. 'They stole it!!' is Trump's go to for any election he loses. Does this ring any bells?

“Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified,” Trump wrote.

Dipshits are gonna dip, I guess.

Yeah, but we have a whole new dipshit, Correll , claiming Trump lost because the “MSM” lied about Donald Trump and what he said in Charlottesville. That would mean Trump stole the primary from Cruz because he lied about Cruz’s father and it would mean that he stole the 2016 election from Hillary Clinton because he lied about her constantly.

Re:The OP, to make a BIG LIE stick, you need to control the means of information. Trump does not. He can talk some shit, that don't mean nothing.

YOU PEOPLE, can make it stick, even when it is the most absurd shit, like pretending that "not w.s." means, "w.s.".

Trump had more media coverage in 2016 than all the other candidates combined. Trump now has at least three media outlets and a Russian President dedicated to broadcasting his lies. Argument fail. (And you still have zero evidence to support your claim. No poll, survey, interview, nothing)

Sure, negative coverage.

LOL!! "Russia president"? So funny to see lefties red baiting.

THe big Three, Big Tech, Hollywood, Cancel culture, your side's grip on the means of information is strong and you are growing ever more abusive and tyrannical in your exercise of it.


Support my claim? You people are pretending to not know what "not" means.


lol!!!

No sugar it wasn’t negative coverage. Jesus H Christ on a raft you live in upside fucking down world.

Research: Media Coverage of the 2016 Election | Shorenstein Center

The Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy produced a multi-part research series analyzing news media coverage of candidates and issues during the 2016 presidential election. The reports were authored by Thomas E. Patterson, Bradlee Professor of Government and the Press, with...

shorensteincenter.org

Key findings:

• During 2015, major news outlets covered Donald Trump in an unusual way given his low initial polling numbers—a high volume of media coverage preceded Trump’s rise in polls.
• Trump’s coverage was positive in tone—he received far more “good press” than “bad press,” largely in the context of the “horserace,” centering on his growing crowds and momentum. The coverage helped propel Trump to the top of Republican polls.
• The Democratic race in 2015 received less than half the coverage of the Republican race, partly as a result of journalists’ focus on Trump.
• Bernie Sanders’ campaign was largely ignored in the early months but, as he began to get coverage, it was overwhelmingly positive in tone. Sanders’ coverage in 2015 was the most favorable of any of the top candidates, Republican or Democratic.
• Hillary Clinton had by far the most negative coverage of any candidate. In 11 of the 12 months, her “bad news” outpaced her “good news,” usually by a wide margin, contributing to her increasingly unfavorable poll ratings in 2015.

I will tell you what is upside down. People being persecuted for their political beliefs. Your own government telling us questioning what they are saying makes you a traitor. How dumb are you people? A child can see this kind of crap. It is not patriotic and it is un American.

That’s not happening. People are being prosecuted for breaking the law not persecuted for political beliefs.

More fucking lies, that A won't fool anyone , and B. won't change the way it escalates teh conflict.

Uh Oh. Somebody’s getting pissy and mad and threatening again. You ARE a caricature…

When you start putting people in jail based on partisan politics...

yes, people will get angry.


That you think... you can just say words and that will mean anything, while you are imprisoning your political enemies,


is you kidding yourself.

Sorry, Vlad, that's not actually happening. People who rioted and tried to break in and kill members of Congress and the Vice President are being charged with the actual crimes they committed.

You can shake your fists in impotent rage all you want. Law breakers are still going to go to jail and you still won't do shit.

They are being investigated and targeted far more aggressively than other rioters of the last 4 years.


Based on partisan politics.


That makes anyone serving time, from that, political prisoners.

Your denial of this fact, is irrelevant.


It might help you avoid facing your responsibility for the escalation in the political conflict in this country.


But, self delusion is not normally considered a good thing.

You saying it doesn’t make it true. PROVE it.

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

<crickets>

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

Oh, sorry I missed that post.

Well, are you asking my opinion, or asking me to specify what Trump was referring to?

REgardless, I'm glad you are not denying that Trump was right to denounce the violence and hatred from both sides, including from the left.


The point is, Trump denounced both sides for their bad behavior, the violent and hateful left (antifa/blm) and the violent and hateful right?, (w.s.).

As he well should have.

How about answering the question?

It was a riot. I have no idea what particular act(s) he was referring to.

He made a statement condemning the violence, bigotry and hate on BOTH sides.


Nit picking over which act of bigotry from the LEFT he was referring to, is fucking stupid.


You are just trying to avoid dealing with the fact that he condemned the violence, bigotry and hatred, as he well should have.


His response was nearly perfect and you are nit picking like the asshole you are.

So what was this display of bigotry on the left he was talking about?

Answered above.

And sure like all the people Trump used eventually he threw Proud Boys under the bus too. No surprise.

‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (Published 2021)

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

www.nytimes.com

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.

That has no relevance to anything in this thread. You are bringing it up, BECAUSE it has no relevance.


You people lied. You people lied A BIG LIE.


One big enough to swing the election.


Thus, the election is not legitimate.

There were exit polls…how many people listed Trump’s perceived ambivalence towards racists as a reason not to vote for him? (ambivalence he displayed over and over)

The blob did get the INCEL vote...

He got 99.9% of the racist vote. He wasn’t going to trade that for a minuscule increase in the black vote…he HAD to play footsie with the racists that supported him.

Trump lost because of COVID, period. If he had responded more effectively to the pandemic, he would’ve been reelected.

You people are delusional. White Racists have been completely marginalized since the mid 60s. Which is why you people are so focused on fighting them.

Trump would love to have more of the minority vote. Hell, it has been a common point of discussion that without being able to do that, republicans are doomed as a national party.


Your lie here, is part of a larger lie, that republicans are wacist, so that you people can keep your lock on the minority votes.


You are lying assholes like that.

He wasn’t willing to condemn racists because they supported him. We all know it.

All Republicans are not racist. Most racists VOTE Republican. That is nobody’s fault but Republicans.

He repeatedly and clearly condemned ws.

Your denial is you being a liar.


That you lie, shows that you fear that if the voters knew the Truth, they would vote against you.

Only after public pressure. Each and every time he was first asked to condemn someone or some thing having to do with white supremacy he equivocated. When public pressure over his equivocation would mount, then he would come out with a prepared statement. (Prepared by someone else)

if you can't be honest about this, "and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists"

what are the odds you can be trusted to tell the truth about "only after public pressure" or " he equivocated"?


Rhetorical question. You are a horrific liar. Your words, your judgements, have no weight.

I posted links, cultist.

You people lied as a group and stuck and are sticking to your lies, even when the actual transcripts are repeatedly shoved in your face.


NOTHING YOU SAY, about any situation with any ambiguity has any credibility.

No, that is not strong enough,

Anything you say, in any situation with ANY ambiguity, has ANTI-CREDIBILITY.

I absolutely adore how reporting exactly what Trump said is “lying” about him. Would you like more links about Trump’s tacit approval of racists? Okay!

Analysis: Why won't Donald Trump condemn white nationalism?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Why doesn't President Donald Trump just unequivocally condemn white supremacists? It's a jarring question to ask about an American president.

apnews.com

The president was silent when journalists asked whether he rejected the support of nationalist groups.

That silence was cheered by the white supremacist website Daily Stormer: “When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”

What does it tell you when the racists believe he supports them?

You are perpetuating a lie. Go get yourself a treat, and get off the internet. Thanks.

Nope, just reporting on what the former President said and did. Whether or not Trump actually is racist we may never know. There is plenty of evidence to support the theory that he is, but the racists believe he is. What does that say?

You will never "know" because you can interpret "not them" as "them", in your search for "evidence" to support your self serving conclusions.

Oh, I think we could know. Like if the Apprentice tapes get released.

It is a fact that the racists believe that Trump is one of them. What does that tell you?

If there was anything on those tapes it would have been released before the election. And where are these racists at? Chicago, where the Black mayor refuses to talk to white reporters?

Oh, there is something on those tapes. Why else would he fight so hard to keep them secret?

At a guess, because he knows that dishonest assholes of the type that see "not w.s." as, "w.s.", will be going deep diving in them "looking" for shit to throw at the wall.

And by "looking" I mean, lying their leftard asses off about.

If the tapes don’t show him being a racist douche, what’s the worry?

You people have shown, a lot, that you are filthy liars that would claim that ANYTHING, is wacist.


Like retarded monkeys throwing shit at a wall.

Uh huh. If the Apprentice tapes have him flat out using the N word as alleged, you’ll defend him anyway. It’s your job as sycophant.

LOL!!! Dude. You can listen to a tape of Trump saying, "and I'm NOT talking about w.s." and you hear him say, "and I am talking about w.s.".


So, how can we even discuss tapes? You imagine what you want to hear, or not hear.


NOt to mention, if America was half,...no, a TENTH, as wacist as you retards claim to believe it is, you would not have to be searching for evidence of it is secret tapes and hidden dog whistles. YOu would be able to point to formal government policies and laws, that require racist discrimination.

Like Affirmative Action and Disparate Impact Theory.

Sorry, you’re confusing me with someone else that you’re having that conversation with.

He could say it, spell it and send it up in smoke signals. You would remain as slavishly devoted as you are now.

You lefties do tend to blur together.

Not being someone who hates me and is as much of in your face assholes as you people are, makes Trump the easy one to support as opposed to evil leftards like yourself.

Thanks for admitting you wouldn't care if Trump was on tape saying the N word.

You're welcome.

Do you have the balls to admit that you wouldn't care either, either way?

Oh, I would care. I would care because it would prove you even more wrong than you already are. And then your non-caring would prove me right about you.

Dude. Did you really misunderstand that, or are you just talking shit now?


Do you have the balls to admit that it would not matter to YOUR OPINION on Trump, either way, whether the tapes supported your assumptions or contradicted them? You evasive shithead.

Well that’s just dumb. Of course it’s not gonna change my opinion of him. I already think he’s one of the worst people on the planet. The question is will it change your opinion of him? I think the answer is no it will not. You already don’t care that he is a racist piece of shit. You’re not gonna care when it’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I can't wait to see who the next Republican leader is. Right now the person has to believe the election is rigged. And has to say it in public. So they have to nominate a nut. Not a guy like Paul Ryan. I could almost stand a guy like Paul Ryan and he would push all the same shit Trump pushed. Same conservative judges, deregulations, deny global warming, anti abortion, etc. But at least he wouldn't be corrupt.

My nephew likes Ron DeSantis. What do we know about this guy?

BULLSHIT. The media would come up with a "reason" that Paul Ryan was suddenly evul and/or wacist, and you would fall in line, like a good little serf.

Weird. The guy ran for VP and managed not the get called a racist.

If he runs for the Presidency, he will be.

The Left NEEDS for every serious threat to be smeared as a wacist, so that they can mobilize the base and the minority voters.


That is why they can never admit that an accusation of wacism was false. Even when the transcripts are rubbed in their faces like they were a bad behaving and stupid puppy that peed on the floor.

It's your job to convince blacks that the Grand Old Party isn't racist.

Well, correct.

Except, it's an impossible job, thanks to the Left's control of media and big tech and the schools and hollywood.

So, we are in a situation where teh big lie works, and a significant portion of the population is marginalized based on false grounds and their interests are ignored if not actively attacked, and they have no recourse.

Oh please. There are blacks here on USMB. They aren't the ones who have been brainwashed by the media you are. They hear what you have to say and they see the policies you are for and against and they see you are a racist. You're assuming they are brainwashed and stupid when it's you who is.

If you Republicans can't convince blacks to vote Republican don't blame the media.

 

[Correll]

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

<crickets>

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

Oh, sorry I missed that post.

Well, are you asking my opinion, or asking me to specify what Trump was referring to?

REgardless, I'm glad you are not denying that Trump was right to denounce the violence and hatred from both sides, including from the left.


The point is, Trump denounced both sides for their bad behavior, the violent and hateful left (antifa/blm) and the violent and hateful right?, (w.s.).

As he well should have.

How about answering the question?

It was a riot. I have no idea what particular act(s) he was referring to.

He made a statement condemning the violence, bigotry and hate on BOTH sides.


Nit picking over which act of bigotry from the LEFT he was referring to, is fucking stupid.


You are just trying to avoid dealing with the fact that he condemned the violence, bigotry and hatred, as he well should have.


His response was nearly perfect and you are nit picking like the asshole you are.

So what was this display of bigotry on the left he was talking about?

Answered above.

And sure like all the people Trump used eventually he threw Proud Boys under the bus too. No surprise.

‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (Published 2021)

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

www.nytimes.com

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.

That has no relevance to anything in this thread. You are bringing it up, BECAUSE it has no relevance.


You people lied. You people lied A BIG LIE.


One big enough to swing the election.


Thus, the election is not legitimate.

There were exit polls…how many people listed Trump’s perceived ambivalence towards racists as a reason not to vote for him? (ambivalence he displayed over and over)

The blob did get the INCEL vote...

He got 99.9% of the racist vote. He wasn’t going to trade that for a minuscule increase in the black vote…he HAD to play footsie with the racists that supported him.

Trump lost because of COVID, period. If he had responded more effectively to the pandemic, he would’ve been reelected.

You people are delusional. White Racists have been completely marginalized since the mid 60s. Which is why you people are so focused on fighting them.

Trump would love to have more of the minority vote. Hell, it has been a common point of discussion that without being able to do that, republicans are doomed as a national party.


Your lie here, is part of a larger lie, that republicans are wacist, so that you people can keep your lock on the minority votes.


You are lying assholes like that.

He wasn’t willing to condemn racists because they supported him. We all know it.

All Republicans are not racist. Most racists VOTE Republican. That is nobody’s fault but Republicans.

He repeatedly and clearly condemned ws.

Your denial is you being a liar.


That you lie, shows that you fear that if the voters knew the Truth, they would vote against you.

Only after public pressure. Each and every time he was first asked to condemn someone or some thing having to do with white supremacy he equivocated. When public pressure over his equivocation would mount, then he would come out with a prepared statement. (Prepared by someone else)

if you can't be honest about this, "and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists"

what are the odds you can be trusted to tell the truth about "only after public pressure" or " he equivocated"?


Rhetorical question. You are a horrific liar. Your words, your judgements, have no weight.

I posted links, cultist.

You people lied as a group and stuck and are sticking to your lies, even when the actual transcripts are repeatedly shoved in your face.


NOTHING YOU SAY, about any situation with any ambiguity has any credibility.

No, that is not strong enough,

Anything you say, in any situation with ANY ambiguity, has ANTI-CREDIBILITY.

I absolutely adore how reporting exactly what Trump said is “lying” about him. Would you like more links about Trump’s tacit approval of racists? Okay!

Analysis: Why won't Donald Trump condemn white nationalism?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Why doesn't President Donald Trump just unequivocally condemn white supremacists? It's a jarring question to ask about an American president.

apnews.com

The president was silent when journalists asked whether he rejected the support of nationalist groups.

That silence was cheered by the white supremacist website Daily Stormer: “When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”

What does it tell you when the racists believe he supports them?

You are perpetuating a lie. Go get yourself a treat, and get off the internet. Thanks.

Nope, just reporting on what the former President said and did. Whether or not Trump actually is racist we may never know. There is plenty of evidence to support the theory that he is, but the racists believe he is. What does that say?

You will never "know" because you can interpret "not them" as "them", in your search for "evidence" to support your self serving conclusions.

Oh, I think we could know. Like if the Apprentice tapes get released.

It is a fact that the racists believe that Trump is one of them. What does that tell you?

No, you are too warped to tell the difference between, "not them" and "them". THe problem is not Trump but your fucked up thinking.

You're lying again, lying dumbfuck. Trump never said, "not them."

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."


You, are retarded.

So? We've already established it's the Proud Boys and neo-Confederates he thinks are "very fine people"

You are just lying more. Your words have anti-credibility.

Nope, the one lying is you -- falsely claiming Trump said things he never actually said.

He said "not the w.s." and you are insisting that he said, "the w.s.", because you are a lying whore.

Now you're lying again saying I denied he condemned white supremacists even though I acknowledged he said that.

If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like that.

BUT, you pretend that "w.s." is, I don't know, some sort of formal group name, and then you claim that that meant that he, since he did not list all possible groups or labels of ws. he meant that some other w.s. were "very fine people".


ANd now that I call you on your retarded bullshit, you fade back, and pretend that, of course you weren't saying THAT.


Standard libtard two step.

FUCK YOUR BULLSHIT YOU FILTHY LIAR.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

He waited days to condemn the perpetrators of the violence. He just can't bring himself to say bad things about his supporters no matter how heinous they are. (Without intense public pressure)

Later the same day. FROM THE QUOTE YOU REFERENCED.

I was not trying to trick you into that gotcha, You did that to yourself.

Days later, when he was more sure of the details, he got more specific.

The ws are a pathetic fringe in this society. Who have not had a voice in national politics since the early 60s.


Trump's supporters are working class and middle class whites, mostly. That you want to smear them as ws, is you being a racist asshole.

Man, you got it bad...it's kind of sickening to watch. We watched him do it again and again...

From Debate Stage, Trump Declines To Denounce White Supremacy

Asked to disavow white supremacists, President Trump addressed the Proud Boys directly, telling them to "stand back and stand by." He did not expand on what he meant.

www.npr.org

Report: Donald Trump won’t condemn support of David Duke, white supremacists: ‘I don’t know anything about him’

Update, 1:30 p.m., Feb. 28, 2016After his interview with CNN, Donald Trump tweeted that he disavows former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke’s support.“As I stated at the press

www.theadvocate.com

Also disgusting that you would downplay a serious threat to our national security.

U.S. report warns of threats from white supremacists, militias

U.S. spy agencies warned on Wednesday of an ongoing threat that racially motivated violent extremists, such as white supremacists, will carry out mass-casualty attacks on civilians while militia groups target police and government personnel and buildings.

www.reuters.com

Cool. You found people that agree with you.


What Trump really says about ws.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

Trump: "Those people -- all of those people – excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis.

Trump: ...the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally.

Trump: ...rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

So it's the Proud Boys and neo-Confederates who are "very fine people."

Thanks for clearing that up.

You are stonewalling. You have been stone cold busted as a liar.


The election was not legitimate because of your lies. YOu stonewalling will not change that.

Nope, Trump never condemned them. That must be who he was talking about since there were no "very fine people" among the Unite the Right racists.

Trump was clear that he was referring to non ws who supported the historical statues.

Your belief that everyone that was there was a ws, is fine.

The bit were you LIE and say he said something he did not say, is you lying.


That you pretend to not understand this, is another lie.

I'm going by what he said and didn't say. He didn't condemn the Proud Boys or the neo-Confederates. He said there were "very fine people on both sides." Now we know who he was talking about on the right. Thanks again for clearing that up.

And you could tell he was being very careful what he said and didn't say. Because what he really wanted to say would frighten you.

...

So, which is it? DId he SAY it or did he "didn't say it", but you know he meant it?

YOU PEOPLE DID NOT SAY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING NOW.


YOU LIED AND SAID THAT HE SAID, "WS ARE VERY FINE PEOPLE".

That is not what he said.


You BELIEVE, that that is what he meant, But when you tell people that he said, what you THINK he meant, that is you LYING.

He said it, but then didn't say it soon enough. And he said something different the day before and after. Or he didn't say anything, which sometimes is saying something.

In the Greek community we have a saying. My silence is your answer

But that is not what you people have said, nor is it your standard position on this issue.

Your position is a lie, ie that he said something he did not say.


That you look at what he said, and deep down, you just "know" that he meant something else, does not give you the right to tell other people that he actually said what you THINK he meant.


AND, it is worth remembering that you are an extremely partisan and ideological lefty, who is probably not a fair judge of what your enemies are thinking.

It's not a lie, dumbfuck. There were 2 sides. One side was a bunch of racists who went to rally in an attempt to unite various factions of racists. Trump said some of them were "very fine people."

Trump: Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee."

Reporter: "Should that statue be taken down?"

Trump: "Excuse me. If you take a look at some of the groups, and you see -- and you’d know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases you’re not -- but many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

I don't know how many times we need to go over this ... but ... he didn't condemn the Proud Boys and he didn't condemn the neo-Confederates. So now we know who he thinks are "very fine people."

The Proud Boys weren't even there, and he was clear about condemning ws.


White Supremacist is not a group, it is a category of groups and people. That you focus on him not individually naming one small group of them,

is you grasping at straws.


It is pathetic and weak. Be a man. Admit that you have been stone cold busted as lying.

Members of the Proud Boys organization were there. Are you saying that the group is not responsible for the actions of individual members within that group? Do you apply the same standard to BLM?

Very few members, against the express direction of the group's leadership.

Your need to pretend that your enemies are w.s. if you being afraid of Truth.

Funny how you just blew right past the BLM reference. BLM has also condemned violence and the rioters at their protests and yet you want to associate those rioters to BLM.

I've found that liberals are very dishonest and if presented with multiple points, will ignore teh one that hurts them them most and respond to other points.


I've discussed blm at great length on this site. It is retarded to pretend that I am afraid to address ANYTHING about them.

Oh look, another dodge. Are the people that riot and do violence part of BLM despite BLM condemning the violence and rioting and telling people to protest peacefully, yes or no?

As I have stated before, imo, blm has a long record of calling for "protests" that "just happen" to turn violent.

So, yes, BLM is responsible for the violence in their name, for a number of reasons, that do NOT apply to the Proud Boys in this example.

You act like I couldn’t have guessed your answer. I knew you would be a raging fucking hypocrite. You really didn’t have to prove it.

Probably because it is obvious. You don't believe BLM either. And you know that the Proud Boys did order their members to not attend and they did kick out the one guy that did.

So, yeah, it would be easy to guess my answer.

You're lying again, lying dumbfuck. There were more Proud Boys there besides Kessler. Kessler was thrown out because he organized the event. But He didn't go alone.

Proud Boys descended into dysfunction after US Capitol riot, new messages show
Proud Boys descended into dysfunction after US Capitol riot, new messages show

The discussion, right now, is focused on the Charlottesville Riot, which the Proud Boys were not part of, and has nothing to do with.

That you bring up another incident, more than three years later, makes no sense.

Just pointing out how violent they are...unlike BLM who advocate peaceful protest and condemn rioters.

Only a fool would believe that BLM truly advocates "peaceful protests" and is serious when it condemns rioters.

Ah…so they say it but don’t mean it. The Proud Boys don’t say it but of course they mean it, right? Do you even take yourself seriously?

We see the same behavior in this very thread. You lefties are insanely dishonest liars. We on the other side, are not.


Dude. Get a grip. You are the bad guys. You are lying whores, spreading hate and division.

That this is consistent across teh board with different groups of lefties, is not surprising.

"We on the other side, are not."

LOLOLOL

That's another lie. The truth is-- you just can't stop lying.

Faun. The way you lie, the way you stone wall, the way you are constantly and always a troll asshole,


you know you are the bad guy(s).


We on the other hand, the other side, opposite you libtards, we deserve some consideration of our words and opinions as likely being stated in good faith.


Because we have not demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we are filthy lying whores, that have anti-credibility.

LOL

Says the liar who falsely claimed Trump said, "not them."

Falsely claimed I denied Trump condemned white supremacists.

Falsely claimed he's the one being truthful.

I see you got it moved to COnspiracy Theory, which is nonsense.

That was your goal which is why you kept trying to divert this thread, which was about voter fraud, to be about Trump calling racists "very fine people."

Congrats, diversion successful.

And now some more word games, trying to confuse w.s. with wacist, just so you can continue to try to gin up some confusion, when Trump was super clear.


You are an asshole. And a liar.

Nope, you're lying claiming Trump said things he never said.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

Yes, you've clarified when he said there were "very fine people" among the Unite the Right crowd, he was speaking of Proud Boys and neo-Confederates.

Except I did not say that. That was your dishonest spin.

You are just lying more, to distract from and defend the BIG LIE, per the op.

YOu are nothing but a filthy lying whore.

It's not my problem you don't know what you're saying. That rally was comprised of white nationalists, white supremacists, KKK, neo-Nazis, neo-Confederate and Proud Boys. You pointed out he condemned the white supremacists, KKK and neo-Nazis and called the others "very fine people."

Do you understand that Trump and I do not believe that the rally was solely comprised of those people?

You race baiting asshole.

 

[Correll]

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

<crickets>

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

Oh, sorry I missed that post.

Well, are you asking my opinion, or asking me to specify what Trump was referring to?

REgardless, I'm glad you are not denying that Trump was right to denounce the violence and hatred from both sides, including from the left.


The point is, Trump denounced both sides for their bad behavior, the violent and hateful left (antifa/blm) and the violent and hateful right?, (w.s.).

As he well should have.

How about answering the question?

It was a riot. I have no idea what particular act(s) he was referring to.

He made a statement condemning the violence, bigotry and hate on BOTH sides.


Nit picking over which act of bigotry from the LEFT he was referring to, is fucking stupid.


You are just trying to avoid dealing with the fact that he condemned the violence, bigotry and hatred, as he well should have.


His response was nearly perfect and you are nit picking like the asshole you are.

So what was this display of bigotry on the left he was talking about?

Answered above.

And sure like all the people Trump used eventually he threw Proud Boys under the bus too. No surprise.

‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (Published 2021)

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

www.nytimes.com

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.

That has no relevance to anything in this thread. You are bringing it up, BECAUSE it has no relevance.


You people lied. You people lied A BIG LIE.


One big enough to swing the election.


Thus, the election is not legitimate.

There were exit polls…how many people listed Trump’s perceived ambivalence towards racists as a reason not to vote for him? (ambivalence he displayed over and over)

The blob did get the INCEL vote...

He got 99.9% of the racist vote. He wasn’t going to trade that for a minuscule increase in the black vote…he HAD to play footsie with the racists that supported him.

Trump lost because of COVID, period. If he had responded more effectively to the pandemic, he would’ve been reelected.

You people are delusional. White Racists have been completely marginalized since the mid 60s. Which is why you people are so focused on fighting them.

Trump would love to have more of the minority vote. Hell, it has been a common point of discussion that without being able to do that, republicans are doomed as a national party.


Your lie here, is part of a larger lie, that republicans are wacist, so that you people can keep your lock on the minority votes.


You are lying assholes like that.

He wasn’t willing to condemn racists because they supported him. We all know it.

All Republicans are not racist. Most racists VOTE Republican. That is nobody’s fault but Republicans.

He repeatedly and clearly condemned ws.

Your denial is you being a liar.


That you lie, shows that you fear that if the voters knew the Truth, they would vote against you.

Only after public pressure. Each and every time he was first asked to condemn someone or some thing having to do with white supremacy he equivocated. When public pressure over his equivocation would mount, then he would come out with a prepared statement. (Prepared by someone else)

if you can't be honest about this, "and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists"

what are the odds you can be trusted to tell the truth about "only after public pressure" or " he equivocated"?


Rhetorical question. You are a horrific liar. Your words, your judgements, have no weight.

I posted links, cultist.

You people lied as a group and stuck and are sticking to your lies, even when the actual transcripts are repeatedly shoved in your face.


NOTHING YOU SAY, about any situation with any ambiguity has any credibility.

No, that is not strong enough,

Anything you say, in any situation with ANY ambiguity, has ANTI-CREDIBILITY.

I absolutely adore how reporting exactly what Trump said is “lying” about him. Would you like more links about Trump’s tacit approval of racists? Okay!

Analysis: Why won't Donald Trump condemn white nationalism?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Why doesn't President Donald Trump just unequivocally condemn white supremacists? It's a jarring question to ask about an American president.

apnews.com

The president was silent when journalists asked whether he rejected the support of nationalist groups.

That silence was cheered by the white supremacist website Daily Stormer: “When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”

What does it tell you when the racists believe he supports them?

You are perpetuating a lie. Go get yourself a treat, and get off the internet. Thanks.

Nope, just reporting on what the former President said and did. Whether or not Trump actually is racist we may never know. There is plenty of evidence to support the theory that he is, but the racists believe he is. What does that say?

You will never "know" because you can interpret "not them" as "them", in your search for "evidence" to support your self serving conclusions.

Oh, I think we could know. Like if the Apprentice tapes get released.

It is a fact that the racists believe that Trump is one of them. What does that tell you?

No, you are too warped to tell the difference between, "not them" and "them". THe problem is not Trump but your fucked up thinking.

You're lying again, lying dumbfuck. Trump never said, "not them."

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."


You, are retarded.

So? We've already established it's the Proud Boys and neo-Confederates he thinks are "very fine people"

You are just lying more. Your words have anti-credibility.

Nope, the one lying is you -- falsely claiming Trump said things he never actually said.

He said "not the w.s." and you are insisting that he said, "the w.s.", because you are a lying whore.

Now you're lying again saying I denied he condemned white supremacists even though I acknowledged he said that.

If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like that.

BUT, you pretend that "w.s." is, I don't know, some sort of formal group name, and then you claim that that meant that he, since he did not list all possible groups or labels of ws. he meant that some other w.s. were "very fine people".


ANd now that I call you on your retarded bullshit, you fade back, and pretend that, of course you weren't saying THAT.


Standard libtard two step.

FUCK YOUR BULLSHIT YOU FILTHY LIAR.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

He waited days to condemn the perpetrators of the violence. He just can't bring himself to say bad things about his supporters no matter how heinous they are. (Without intense public pressure)

Later the same day. FROM THE QUOTE YOU REFERENCED.

I was not trying to trick you into that gotcha, You did that to yourself.

Days later, when he was more sure of the details, he got more specific.

The ws are a pathetic fringe in this society. Who have not had a voice in national politics since the early 60s.


Trump's supporters are working class and middle class whites, mostly. That you want to smear them as ws, is you being a racist asshole.

Man, you got it bad...it's kind of sickening to watch. We watched him do it again and again...

From Debate Stage, Trump Declines To Denounce White Supremacy

Asked to disavow white supremacists, President Trump addressed the Proud Boys directly, telling them to "stand back and stand by." He did not expand on what he meant.

www.npr.org

Report: Donald Trump won’t condemn support of David Duke, white supremacists: ‘I don’t know anything about him’

Update, 1:30 p.m., Feb. 28, 2016After his interview with CNN, Donald Trump tweeted that he disavows former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke’s support.“As I stated at the press

www.theadvocate.com

Also disgusting that you would downplay a serious threat to our national security.

U.S. report warns of threats from white supremacists, militias

U.S. spy agencies warned on Wednesday of an ongoing threat that racially motivated violent extremists, such as white supremacists, will carry out mass-casualty attacks on civilians while militia groups target police and government personnel and buildings.

www.reuters.com

Cool. You found people that agree with you.


What Trump really says about ws.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

Trump: "Those people -- all of those people – excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis.

Trump: ...the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally.

Trump: ...rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

So it's the Proud Boys and neo-Confederates who are "very fine people."

Thanks for clearing that up.

You are stonewalling. You have been stone cold busted as a liar.


The election was not legitimate because of your lies. YOu stonewalling will not change that.

Nope, Trump never condemned them. That must be who he was talking about since there were no "very fine people" among the Unite the Right racists.

Trump was clear that he was referring to non ws who supported the historical statues.

Your belief that everyone that was there was a ws, is fine.

The bit were you LIE and say he said something he did not say, is you lying.


That you pretend to not understand this, is another lie.

I'm going by what he said and didn't say. He didn't condemn the Proud Boys or the neo-Confederates. He said there were "very fine people on both sides." Now we know who he was talking about on the right. Thanks again for clearing that up.

And you could tell he was being very careful what he said and didn't say. Because what he really wanted to say would frighten you.

...

So, which is it? DId he SAY it or did he "didn't say it", but you know he meant it?

YOU PEOPLE DID NOT SAY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING NOW.


YOU LIED AND SAID THAT HE SAID, "WS ARE VERY FINE PEOPLE".

That is not what he said.


You BELIEVE, that that is what he meant, But when you tell people that he said, what you THINK he meant, that is you LYING.

He said it, but then didn't say it soon enough. And he said something different the day before and after. Or he didn't say anything, which sometimes is saying something.

In the Greek community we have a saying. My silence is your answer

But that is not what you people have said, nor is it your standard position on this issue.

Your position is a lie, ie that he said something he did not say.


That you look at what he said, and deep down, you just "know" that he meant something else, does not give you the right to tell other people that he actually said what you THINK he meant.


AND, it is worth remembering that you are an extremely partisan and ideological lefty, who is probably not a fair judge of what your enemies are thinking.

It's not a lie, dumbfuck. There were 2 sides. One side was a bunch of racists who went to rally in an attempt to unite various factions of racists. Trump said some of them were "very fine people."

Trump: Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee."

Reporter: "Should that statue be taken down?"

Trump: "Excuse me. If you take a look at some of the groups, and you see -- and you’d know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases you’re not -- but many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

I don't know how many times we need to go over this ... but ... he didn't condemn the Proud Boys and he didn't condemn the neo-Confederates. So now we know who he thinks are "very fine people."

The Proud Boys weren't even there, and he was clear about condemning ws.


White Supremacist is not a group, it is a category of groups and people. That you focus on him not individually naming one small group of them,

is you grasping at straws.


It is pathetic and weak. Be a man. Admit that you have been stone cold busted as lying.

Members of the Proud Boys organization were there. Are you saying that the group is not responsible for the actions of individual members within that group? Do you apply the same standard to BLM?

Very few members, against the express direction of the group's leadership.

Your need to pretend that your enemies are w.s. if you being afraid of Truth.

Funny how you just blew right past the BLM reference. BLM has also condemned violence and the rioters at their protests and yet you want to associate those rioters to BLM.

I've found that liberals are very dishonest and if presented with multiple points, will ignore teh one that hurts them them most and respond to other points.


I've discussed blm at great length on this site. It is retarded to pretend that I am afraid to address ANYTHING about them.

Oh look, another dodge. Are the people that riot and do violence part of BLM despite BLM condemning the violence and rioting and telling people to protest peacefully, yes or no?

As I have stated before, imo, blm has a long record of calling for "protests" that "just happen" to turn violent.

So, yes, BLM is responsible for the violence in their name, for a number of reasons, that do NOT apply to the Proud Boys in this example.

You act like I couldn’t have guessed your answer. I knew you would be a raging fucking hypocrite. You really didn’t have to prove it.

Probably because it is obvious. You don't believe BLM either. And you know that the Proud Boys did order their members to not attend and they did kick out the one guy that did.

So, yeah, it would be easy to guess my answer.

You're lying again, lying dumbfuck. There were more Proud Boys there besides Kessler. Kessler was thrown out because he organized the event. But He didn't go alone.

Proud Boys descended into dysfunction after US Capitol riot, new messages show
Proud Boys descended into dysfunction after US Capitol riot, new messages show

The discussion, right now, is focused on the Charlottesville Riot, which the Proud Boys were not part of, and has nothing to do with.

That you bring up another incident, more than three years later, makes no sense.

Just pointing out how violent they are...unlike BLM who advocate peaceful protest and condemn rioters.

Only a fool would believe that BLM truly advocates "peaceful protests" and is serious when it condemns rioters.

Ah…so they say it but don’t mean it. The Proud Boys don’t say it but of course they mean it, right? Do you even take yourself seriously?

We see the same behavior in this very thread. You lefties are insanely dishonest liars. We on the other side, are not.


Dude. Get a grip. You are the bad guys. You are lying whores, spreading hate and division.

That this is consistent across teh board with different groups of lefties, is not surprising.

"We on the other side, are not."

LOLOLOL

That's another lie. The truth is-- you just can't stop lying.

Faun. The way you lie, the way you stone wall, the way you are constantly and always a troll asshole,


you know you are the bad guy(s).


We on the other hand, the other side, opposite you libtards, we deserve some consideration of our words and opinions as likely being stated in good faith.


Because we have not demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we are filthy lying whores, that have anti-credibility.

LOL

Says the liar who falsely claimed Trump said, "not them."

Falsely claimed I denied Trump condemned white supremacists.

Falsely claimed he's the one being truthful.

I see you got it moved to COnspiracy Theory, which is nonsense.

That was your goal which is why you kept trying to divert this thread, which was about voter fraud, to be about Trump calling racists "very fine people."

Congrats, diversion successful.

And now some more word games, trying to confuse w.s. with wacist, just so you can continue to try to gin up some confusion, when Trump was super clear.


You are an asshole. And a liar.

Nope, you're lying claiming Trump said things he never said.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

Yes, you've clarified when he said there were "very fine people" among the Unite the Right crowd, he was speaking of Proud Boys and neo-Confederates.

Except I did not say that. That was your dishonest spin.

You are just lying more, to distract from and defend the BIG LIE, per the op.

YOu are nothing but a filthy lying whore.

It's not my problem you don't know what you're saying. That rally was comprised of white nationalists, white supremacists, KKK, neo-Nazis, neo-Confederate and Proud Boys. You pointed out he condemned the white supremacists, KKK and neo-Nazis and called the others "very fine people."

Were all these white racists Democrats? Republicans keep saying it was them who ended slavery but today it seems like they are the KKKlanmen of yesterday.

You are confused.

 

[Correll]

In this case, Trump was very clear and you people are just filthy lying whores.

LOLOL

So clear, he had to make 4 separate statements to clarify himself.

The fact that you people keep lying, and asking stupid questions, does not reflect on Trump's statements.

 

[Faun]

Were all these white racists Democrats? Republicans keep saying it was them who ended slavery but today it seems like they are the KKKlanmen of yesterday.

They try to deny it but the parties have switched. The conservative south has always been the most racist region of the country. It still is. But back then, it was primarily Democrat. Now it's primarily Republican. But it's always been conservative.

 

[sealybobo]

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

<crickets>

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

Oh, sorry I missed that post.

Well, are you asking my opinion, or asking me to specify what Trump was referring to?

REgardless, I'm glad you are not denying that Trump was right to denounce the violence and hatred from both sides, including from the left.


The point is, Trump denounced both sides for their bad behavior, the violent and hateful left (antifa/blm) and the violent and hateful right?, (w.s.).

As he well should have.

How about answering the question?

It was a riot. I have no idea what particular act(s) he was referring to.

He made a statement condemning the violence, bigotry and hate on BOTH sides.


Nit picking over which act of bigotry from the LEFT he was referring to, is fucking stupid.


You are just trying to avoid dealing with the fact that he condemned the violence, bigotry and hatred, as he well should have.


His response was nearly perfect and you are nit picking like the asshole you are.

So what was this display of bigotry on the left he was talking about?

Answered above.

And sure like all the people Trump used eventually he threw Proud Boys under the bus too. No surprise.

‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (Published 2021)

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

www.nytimes.com

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.

That has no relevance to anything in this thread. You are bringing it up, BECAUSE it has no relevance.


You people lied. You people lied A BIG LIE.


One big enough to swing the election.


Thus, the election is not legitimate.

There were exit polls…how many people listed Trump’s perceived ambivalence towards racists as a reason not to vote for him? (ambivalence he displayed over and over)

The blob did get the INCEL vote...

He got 99.9% of the racist vote. He wasn’t going to trade that for a minuscule increase in the black vote…he HAD to play footsie with the racists that supported him.

Trump lost because of COVID, period. If he had responded more effectively to the pandemic, he would’ve been reelected.

You people are delusional. White Racists have been completely marginalized since the mid 60s. Which is why you people are so focused on fighting them.

Trump would love to have more of the minority vote. Hell, it has been a common point of discussion that without being able to do that, republicans are doomed as a national party.


Your lie here, is part of a larger lie, that republicans are wacist, so that you people can keep your lock on the minority votes.


You are lying assholes like that.

He wasn’t willing to condemn racists because they supported him. We all know it.

All Republicans are not racist. Most racists VOTE Republican. That is nobody’s fault but Republicans.

He repeatedly and clearly condemned ws.

Your denial is you being a liar.


That you lie, shows that you fear that if the voters knew the Truth, they would vote against you.

Only after public pressure. Each and every time he was first asked to condemn someone or some thing having to do with white supremacy he equivocated. When public pressure over his equivocation would mount, then he would come out with a prepared statement. (Prepared by someone else)

if you can't be honest about this, "and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists"

what are the odds you can be trusted to tell the truth about "only after public pressure" or " he equivocated"?


Rhetorical question. You are a horrific liar. Your words, your judgements, have no weight.

I posted links, cultist.

You people lied as a group and stuck and are sticking to your lies, even when the actual transcripts are repeatedly shoved in your face.


NOTHING YOU SAY, about any situation with any ambiguity has any credibility.

No, that is not strong enough,

Anything you say, in any situation with ANY ambiguity, has ANTI-CREDIBILITY.

I absolutely adore how reporting exactly what Trump said is “lying” about him. Would you like more links about Trump’s tacit approval of racists? Okay!

Analysis: Why won't Donald Trump condemn white nationalism?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Why doesn't President Donald Trump just unequivocally condemn white supremacists? It's a jarring question to ask about an American president.

apnews.com

The president was silent when journalists asked whether he rejected the support of nationalist groups.

That silence was cheered by the white supremacist website Daily Stormer: “When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”

What does it tell you when the racists believe he supports them?

You are perpetuating a lie. Go get yourself a treat, and get off the internet. Thanks.

Nope, just reporting on what the former President said and did. Whether or not Trump actually is racist we may never know. There is plenty of evidence to support the theory that he is, but the racists believe he is. What does that say?

You will never "know" because you can interpret "not them" as "them", in your search for "evidence" to support your self serving conclusions.

Oh, I think we could know. Like if the Apprentice tapes get released.

It is a fact that the racists believe that Trump is one of them. What does that tell you?

No, you are too warped to tell the difference between, "not them" and "them". THe problem is not Trump but your fucked up thinking.

You're lying again, lying dumbfuck. Trump never said, "not them."

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."


You, are retarded.

So? We've already established it's the Proud Boys and neo-Confederates he thinks are "very fine people"

You are just lying more. Your words have anti-credibility.

Nope, the one lying is you -- falsely claiming Trump said things he never actually said.

He said "not the w.s." and you are insisting that he said, "the w.s.", because you are a lying whore.

Now you're lying again saying I denied he condemned white supremacists even though I acknowledged he said that.

If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like that.

BUT, you pretend that "w.s." is, I don't know, some sort of formal group name, and then you claim that that meant that he, since he did not list all possible groups or labels of ws. he meant that some other w.s. were "very fine people".


ANd now that I call you on your retarded bullshit, you fade back, and pretend that, of course you weren't saying THAT.


Standard libtard two step.

FUCK YOUR BULLSHIT YOU FILTHY LIAR.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

He waited days to condemn the perpetrators of the violence. He just can't bring himself to say bad things about his supporters no matter how heinous they are. (Without intense public pressure)

Later the same day. FROM THE QUOTE YOU REFERENCED.

I was not trying to trick you into that gotcha, You did that to yourself.

Days later, when he was more sure of the details, he got more specific.

The ws are a pathetic fringe in this society. Who have not had a voice in national politics since the early 60s.


Trump's supporters are working class and middle class whites, mostly. That you want to smear them as ws, is you being a racist asshole.

Man, you got it bad...it's kind of sickening to watch. We watched him do it again and again...

From Debate Stage, Trump Declines To Denounce White Supremacy

Asked to disavow white supremacists, President Trump addressed the Proud Boys directly, telling them to "stand back and stand by." He did not expand on what he meant.

www.npr.org

Report: Donald Trump won’t condemn support of David Duke, white supremacists: ‘I don’t know anything about him’

Update, 1:30 p.m., Feb. 28, 2016After his interview with CNN, Donald Trump tweeted that he disavows former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke’s support.“As I stated at the press

www.theadvocate.com

Also disgusting that you would downplay a serious threat to our national security.

U.S. report warns of threats from white supremacists, militias

U.S. spy agencies warned on Wednesday of an ongoing threat that racially motivated violent extremists, such as white supremacists, will carry out mass-casualty attacks on civilians while militia groups target police and government personnel and buildings.

www.reuters.com

Cool. You found people that agree with you.


What Trump really says about ws.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

Trump: "Those people -- all of those people – excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis.

Trump: ...the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally.

Trump: ...rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

So it's the Proud Boys and neo-Confederates who are "very fine people."

Thanks for clearing that up.

You are stonewalling. You have been stone cold busted as a liar.


The election was not legitimate because of your lies. YOu stonewalling will not change that.

Nope, Trump never condemned them. That must be who he was talking about since there were no "very fine people" among the Unite the Right racists.

Trump was clear that he was referring to non ws who supported the historical statues.

Your belief that everyone that was there was a ws, is fine.

The bit were you LIE and say he said something he did not say, is you lying.


That you pretend to not understand this, is another lie.

I'm going by what he said and didn't say. He didn't condemn the Proud Boys or the neo-Confederates. He said there were "very fine people on both sides." Now we know who he was talking about on the right. Thanks again for clearing that up.

And you could tell he was being very careful what he said and didn't say. Because what he really wanted to say would frighten you.

...

So, which is it? DId he SAY it or did he "didn't say it", but you know he meant it?

YOU PEOPLE DID NOT SAY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING NOW.


YOU LIED AND SAID THAT HE SAID, "WS ARE VERY FINE PEOPLE".

That is not what he said.


You BELIEVE, that that is what he meant, But when you tell people that he said, what you THINK he meant, that is you LYING.

He said it, but then didn't say it soon enough. And he said something different the day before and after. Or he didn't say anything, which sometimes is saying something.

In the Greek community we have a saying. My silence is your answer

But that is not what you people have said, nor is it your standard position on this issue.

Your position is a lie, ie that he said something he did not say.


That you look at what he said, and deep down, you just "know" that he meant something else, does not give you the right to tell other people that he actually said what you THINK he meant.


AND, it is worth remembering that you are an extremely partisan and ideological lefty, who is probably not a fair judge of what your enemies are thinking.

It's not a lie, dumbfuck. There were 2 sides. One side was a bunch of racists who went to rally in an attempt to unite various factions of racists. Trump said some of them were "very fine people."

Trump: Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee."

Reporter: "Should that statue be taken down?"

Trump: "Excuse me. If you take a look at some of the groups, and you see -- and you’d know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases you’re not -- but many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

I don't know how many times we need to go over this ... but ... he didn't condemn the Proud Boys and he didn't condemn the neo-Confederates. So now we know who he thinks are "very fine people."

The Proud Boys weren't even there, and he was clear about condemning ws.


White Supremacist is not a group, it is a category of groups and people. That you focus on him not individually naming one small group of them,

is you grasping at straws.


It is pathetic and weak. Be a man. Admit that you have been stone cold busted as lying.

Members of the Proud Boys organization were there. Are you saying that the group is not responsible for the actions of individual members within that group? Do you apply the same standard to BLM?

Very few members, against the express direction of the group's leadership.

Your need to pretend that your enemies are w.s. if you being afraid of Truth.

Funny how you just blew right past the BLM reference. BLM has also condemned violence and the rioters at their protests and yet you want to associate those rioters to BLM.

I've found that liberals are very dishonest and if presented with multiple points, will ignore teh one that hurts them them most and respond to other points.


I've discussed blm at great length on this site. It is retarded to pretend that I am afraid to address ANYTHING about them.

Oh look, another dodge. Are the people that riot and do violence part of BLM despite BLM condemning the violence and rioting and telling people to protest peacefully, yes or no?

As I have stated before, imo, blm has a long record of calling for "protests" that "just happen" to turn violent.

So, yes, BLM is responsible for the violence in their name, for a number of reasons, that do NOT apply to the Proud Boys in this example.

You act like I couldn’t have guessed your answer. I knew you would be a raging fucking hypocrite. You really didn’t have to prove it.

Probably because it is obvious. You don't believe BLM either. And you know that the Proud Boys did order their members to not attend and they did kick out the one guy that did.

So, yeah, it would be easy to guess my answer.

You're lying again, lying dumbfuck. There were more Proud Boys there besides Kessler. Kessler was thrown out because he organized the event. But He didn't go alone.

Proud Boys descended into dysfunction after US Capitol riot, new messages show
Proud Boys descended into dysfunction after US Capitol riot, new messages show

The discussion, right now, is focused on the Charlottesville Riot, which the Proud Boys were not part of, and has nothing to do with.

That you bring up another incident, more than three years later, makes no sense.

Just pointing out how violent they are...unlike BLM who advocate peaceful protest and condemn rioters.

Only a fool would believe that BLM truly advocates "peaceful protests" and is serious when it condemns rioters.

Ah…so they say it but don’t mean it. The Proud Boys don’t say it but of course they mean it, right? Do you even take yourself seriously?

We see the same behavior in this very thread. You lefties are insanely dishonest liars. We on the other side, are not.


Dude. Get a grip. You are the bad guys. You are lying whores, spreading hate and division.

That this is consistent across teh board with different groups of lefties, is not surprising.

"We on the other side, are not."

LOLOLOL

That's another lie. The truth is-- you just can't stop lying.

Faun. The way you lie, the way you stone wall, the way you are constantly and always a troll asshole,


you know you are the bad guy(s).


We on the other hand, the other side, opposite you libtards, we deserve some consideration of our words and opinions as likely being stated in good faith.


Because we have not demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we are filthy lying whores, that have anti-credibility.

LOL

Says the liar who falsely claimed Trump said, "not them."

Falsely claimed I denied Trump condemned white supremacists.

Falsely claimed he's the one being truthful.

I see you got it moved to COnspiracy Theory, which is nonsense.

That was your goal which is why you kept trying to divert this thread, which was about voter fraud, to be about Trump calling racists "very fine people."

Congrats, diversion successful.

And now some more word games, trying to confuse w.s. with wacist, just so you can continue to try to gin up some confusion, when Trump was super clear.


You are an asshole. And a liar.

Nope, you're lying claiming Trump said things he never said.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

Yes, you've clarified when he said there were "very fine people" among the Unite the Right crowd, he was speaking of Proud Boys and neo-Confederates.

Except I did not say that. That was your dishonest spin.

You are just lying more, to distract from and defend the BIG LIE, per the op.

YOu are nothing but a filthy lying whore.

It's not my problem you don't know what you're saying. That rally was comprised of white nationalists, white supremacists, KKK, neo-Nazis, neo-Confederate and Proud Boys. You pointed out he condemned the white supremacists, KKK and neo-Nazis and called the others "very fine people."

Do you understand that Trump and I do not believe that the rally was solely comprised of those people?

You race baiting asshole.

We love it that Trump defended white supremists. He lost the election so mission accomplished. Maybe next time don't choose an evil idiot liar who is so stubborn he will even defend Proud Boys and Qanon. I love it!

Oh, and if you ask Trump's handlers they'll tell you it's good we are calling him a racist.

Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon on Saturday told a crowd of far-right French politicians to let people label them as "racist," and to consider it "a badge of honor."

That was March 2018 when he said that. Clearly he thought Trump was going to be re elected. Perhaps Steve miscalculated his badge of honor comment. Because right now Trump's sitting in Mara Lago and he's a racist who isn't the leader of the free world. Why? Because blacks showed up and voted him out.

 

[Faun]

No, this is nothing to do with that. This is you bringing up a point about Trump's thinking, making a point based on your insight into his thinking, and then dismissing my response, because I am speculating about his thinking.

LOL

A Trump acolyte feels compelled to speculate about Trump's thinking because he can't deal with what Trump actually said.

 

[Correll]

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

<crickets>

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

Oh, sorry I missed that post.

Well, are you asking my opinion, or asking me to specify what Trump was referring to?

REgardless, I'm glad you are not denying that Trump was right to denounce the violence and hatred from both sides, including from the left.


The point is, Trump denounced both sides for their bad behavior, the violent and hateful left (antifa/blm) and the violent and hateful right?, (w.s.).

As he well should have.

How about answering the question?

It was a riot. I have no idea what particular act(s) he was referring to.

He made a statement condemning the violence, bigotry and hate on BOTH sides.


Nit picking over which act of bigotry from the LEFT he was referring to, is fucking stupid.


You are just trying to avoid dealing with the fact that he condemned the violence, bigotry and hatred, as he well should have.


His response was nearly perfect and you are nit picking like the asshole you are.

So what was this display of bigotry on the left he was talking about?

Answered above.

And sure like all the people Trump used eventually he threw Proud Boys under the bus too. No surprise.

‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (Published 2021)

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

www.nytimes.com

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.

That has no relevance to anything in this thread. You are bringing it up, BECAUSE it has no relevance.


You people lied. You people lied A BIG LIE.


One big enough to swing the election.


Thus, the election is not legitimate.

There were exit polls…how many people listed Trump’s perceived ambivalence towards racists as a reason not to vote for him? (ambivalence he displayed over and over)

The blob did get the INCEL vote...

He got 99.9% of the racist vote. He wasn’t going to trade that for a minuscule increase in the black vote…he HAD to play footsie with the racists that supported him.

Trump lost because of COVID, period. If he had responded more effectively to the pandemic, he would’ve been reelected.

You people are delusional. White Racists have been completely marginalized since the mid 60s. Which is why you people are so focused on fighting them.

Trump would love to have more of the minority vote. Hell, it has been a common point of discussion that without being able to do that, republicans are doomed as a national party.


Your lie here, is part of a larger lie, that republicans are wacist, so that you people can keep your lock on the minority votes.


You are lying assholes like that.

He wasn’t willing to condemn racists because they supported him. We all know it.

All Republicans are not racist. Most racists VOTE Republican. That is nobody’s fault but Republicans.

He repeatedly and clearly condemned ws.

Your denial is you being a liar.


That you lie, shows that you fear that if the voters knew the Truth, they would vote against you.

Only after public pressure. Each and every time he was first asked to condemn someone or some thing having to do with white supremacy he equivocated. When public pressure over his equivocation would mount, then he would come out with a prepared statement. (Prepared by someone else)

if you can't be honest about this, "and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists"

what are the odds you can be trusted to tell the truth about "only after public pressure" or " he equivocated"?


Rhetorical question. You are a horrific liar. Your words, your judgements, have no weight.

I posted links, cultist.

You people lied as a group and stuck and are sticking to your lies, even when the actual transcripts are repeatedly shoved in your face.


NOTHING YOU SAY, about any situation with any ambiguity has any credibility.

No, that is not strong enough,

Anything you say, in any situation with ANY ambiguity, has ANTI-CREDIBILITY.

Well you think the election was stolen so we aren't taking you at all seriously anymore. Anyone who thinks the election was rigged is an idiot.

Yeah, but you got to give him mad props for his unique explanation as to how it was “stolen”. Using his logic, Hillary Clinton had the election stolen from her in 2016 because of the outrageous lies Trump told about her her.

And didn't Trump steal the GOP nominee from Ted Cruz when he accused Ted's father of being involved in the Kennedy assassination?

“Ted Cruz didn’t win Iowa, he stole it,” Trump (@realDonaldTrump) tweeted. “That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!”

Same dipshit, same batshit, different election. 'They stole it!!' is Trump's go to for any election he loses. Does this ring any bells?

“Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified,” Trump wrote.

Dipshits are gonna dip, I guess.

Yeah, but we have a whole new dipshit, Correll , claiming Trump lost because the “MSM” lied about Donald Trump and what he said in Charlottesville. That would mean Trump stole the primary from Cruz because he lied about Cruz’s father and it would mean that he stole the 2016 election from Hillary Clinton because he lied about her constantly.

Re:The OP, to make a BIG LIE stick, you need to control the means of information. Trump does not. He can talk some shit, that don't mean nothing.

YOU PEOPLE, can make it stick, even when it is the most absurd shit, like pretending that "not w.s." means, "w.s.".

Trump had more media coverage in 2016 than all the other candidates combined. Trump now has at least three media outlets and a Russian President dedicated to broadcasting his lies. Argument fail. (And you still have zero evidence to support your claim. No poll, survey, interview, nothing)

Sure, negative coverage.

LOL!! "Russia president"? So funny to see lefties red baiting.

THe big Three, Big Tech, Hollywood, Cancel culture, your side's grip on the means of information is strong and you are growing ever more abusive and tyrannical in your exercise of it.


Support my claim? You people are pretending to not know what "not" means.


lol!!!

No sugar it wasn’t negative coverage. Jesus H Christ on a raft you live in upside fucking down world.

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The Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy produced a multi-part research series analyzing news media coverage of candidates and issues during the 2016 presidential election. The reports were authored by Thomas E. Patterson, Bradlee Professor of Government and the Press, with...

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Key findings:

• During 2015, major news outlets covered Donald Trump in an unusual way given his low initial polling numbers—a high volume of media coverage preceded Trump’s rise in polls.
• Trump’s coverage was positive in tone—he received far more “good press” than “bad press,” largely in the context of the “horserace,” centering on his growing crowds and momentum. The coverage helped propel Trump to the top of Republican polls.
• The Democratic race in 2015 received less than half the coverage of the Republican race, partly as a result of journalists’ focus on Trump.
• Bernie Sanders’ campaign was largely ignored in the early months but, as he began to get coverage, it was overwhelmingly positive in tone. Sanders’ coverage in 2015 was the most favorable of any of the top candidates, Republican or Democratic.
• Hillary Clinton had by far the most negative coverage of any candidate. In 11 of the 12 months, her “bad news” outpaced her “good news,” usually by a wide margin, contributing to her increasingly unfavorable poll ratings in 2015.

I will tell you what is upside down. People being persecuted for their political beliefs. Your own government telling us questioning what they are saying makes you a traitor. How dumb are you people? A child can see this kind of crap. It is not patriotic and it is un American.

That’s not happening. People are being prosecuted for breaking the law not persecuted for political beliefs.

More fucking lies, that A won't fool anyone , and B. won't change the way it escalates teh conflict.

Uh Oh. Somebody’s getting pissy and mad and threatening again. You ARE a caricature…

When you start putting people in jail based on partisan politics...

yes, people will get angry.


That you think... you can just say words and that will mean anything, while you are imprisoning your political enemies,


is you kidding yourself.

Sorry, Vlad, that's not actually happening. People who rioted and tried to break in and kill members of Congress and the Vice President are being charged with the actual crimes they committed.

You can shake your fists in impotent rage all you want. Law breakers are still going to go to jail and you still won't do shit.

They are being investigated and targeted far more aggressively than other rioters of the last 4 years.


Based on partisan politics.


That makes anyone serving time, from that, political prisoners.

Your denial of this fact, is irrelevant.


It might help you avoid facing your responsibility for the escalation in the political conflict in this country.


But, self delusion is not normally considered a good thing.

You saying it doesn’t make it true. PROVE it.

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

<crickets>

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

Oh, sorry I missed that post.

Well, are you asking my opinion, or asking me to specify what Trump was referring to?

REgardless, I'm glad you are not denying that Trump was right to denounce the violence and hatred from both sides, including from the left.


The point is, Trump denounced both sides for their bad behavior, the violent and hateful left (antifa/blm) and the violent and hateful right?, (w.s.).

As he well should have.

How about answering the question?

It was a riot. I have no idea what particular act(s) he was referring to.

He made a statement condemning the violence, bigotry and hate on BOTH sides.


Nit picking over which act of bigotry from the LEFT he was referring to, is fucking stupid.


You are just trying to avoid dealing with the fact that he condemned the violence, bigotry and hatred, as he well should have.


His response was nearly perfect and you are nit picking like the asshole you are.

So what was this display of bigotry on the left he was talking about?

Answered above.

And sure like all the people Trump used eventually he threw Proud Boys under the bus too. No surprise.

‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (Published 2021)

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

www.nytimes.com

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.

That has no relevance to anything in this thread. You are bringing it up, BECAUSE it has no relevance.


You people lied. You people lied A BIG LIE.


One big enough to swing the election.


Thus, the election is not legitimate.

There were exit polls…how many people listed Trump’s perceived ambivalence towards racists as a reason not to vote for him? (ambivalence he displayed over and over)

The blob did get the INCEL vote...

He got 99.9% of the racist vote. He wasn’t going to trade that for a minuscule increase in the black vote…he HAD to play footsie with the racists that supported him.

Trump lost because of COVID, period. If he had responded more effectively to the pandemic, he would’ve been reelected.

You people are delusional. White Racists have been completely marginalized since the mid 60s. Which is why you people are so focused on fighting them.

Trump would love to have more of the minority vote. Hell, it has been a common point of discussion that without being able to do that, republicans are doomed as a national party.


Your lie here, is part of a larger lie, that republicans are wacist, so that you people can keep your lock on the minority votes.


You are lying assholes like that.

He wasn’t willing to condemn racists because they supported him. We all know it.

All Republicans are not racist. Most racists VOTE Republican. That is nobody’s fault but Republicans.

He repeatedly and clearly condemned ws.

Your denial is you being a liar.


That you lie, shows that you fear that if the voters knew the Truth, they would vote against you.

Only after public pressure. Each and every time he was first asked to condemn someone or some thing having to do with white supremacy he equivocated. When public pressure over his equivocation would mount, then he would come out with a prepared statement. (Prepared by someone else)

if you can't be honest about this, "and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists"

what are the odds you can be trusted to tell the truth about "only after public pressure" or " he equivocated"?


Rhetorical question. You are a horrific liar. Your words, your judgements, have no weight.

I posted links, cultist.

You people lied as a group and stuck and are sticking to your lies, even when the actual transcripts are repeatedly shoved in your face.


NOTHING YOU SAY, about any situation with any ambiguity has any credibility.

No, that is not strong enough,

Anything you say, in any situation with ANY ambiguity, has ANTI-CREDIBILITY.

I absolutely adore how reporting exactly what Trump said is “lying” about him. Would you like more links about Trump’s tacit approval of racists? Okay!

Analysis: Why won't Donald Trump condemn white nationalism?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Why doesn't President Donald Trump just unequivocally condemn white supremacists? It's a jarring question to ask about an American president.

apnews.com

The president was silent when journalists asked whether he rejected the support of nationalist groups.

That silence was cheered by the white supremacist website Daily Stormer: “When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”

What does it tell you when the racists believe he supports them?

You are perpetuating a lie. Go get yourself a treat, and get off the internet. Thanks.

Nope, just reporting on what the former President said and did. Whether or not Trump actually is racist we may never know. There is plenty of evidence to support the theory that he is, but the racists believe he is. What does that say?

You will never "know" because you can interpret "not them" as "them", in your search for "evidence" to support your self serving conclusions.

Oh, I think we could know. Like if the Apprentice tapes get released.

It is a fact that the racists believe that Trump is one of them. What does that tell you?

If there was anything on those tapes it would have been released before the election. And where are these racists at? Chicago, where the Black mayor refuses to talk to white reporters?

Oh, there is something on those tapes. Why else would he fight so hard to keep them secret?

At a guess, because he knows that dishonest assholes of the type that see "not w.s." as, "w.s.", will be going deep diving in them "looking" for shit to throw at the wall.

And by "looking" I mean, lying their leftard asses off about.

If the tapes don’t show him being a racist douche, what’s the worry?

You people have shown, a lot, that you are filthy liars that would claim that ANYTHING, is wacist.


Like retarded monkeys throwing shit at a wall.

Uh huh. If the Apprentice tapes have him flat out using the N word as alleged, you’ll defend him anyway. It’s your job as sycophant.

LOL!!! Dude. You can listen to a tape of Trump saying, "and I'm NOT talking about w.s." and you hear him say, "and I am talking about w.s.".


So, how can we even discuss tapes? You imagine what you want to hear, or not hear.


NOt to mention, if America was half,...no, a TENTH, as wacist as you retards claim to believe it is, you would not have to be searching for evidence of it is secret tapes and hidden dog whistles. YOu would be able to point to formal government policies and laws, that require racist discrimination.

Like Affirmative Action and Disparate Impact Theory.

Sorry, you’re confusing me with someone else that you’re having that conversation with.

He could say it, spell it and send it up in smoke signals. You would remain as slavishly devoted as you are now.

You lefties do tend to blur together.

Not being someone who hates me and is as much of in your face assholes as you people are, makes Trump the easy one to support as opposed to evil leftards like yourself.

Thanks for admitting you wouldn't care if Trump was on tape saying the N word.

You're welcome.

Do you have the balls to admit that you wouldn't care either, either way?

Oh, I would care. I would care because it would prove you even more wrong than you already are. And then your non-caring would prove me right about you.

Dude. Did you really misunderstand that, or are you just talking shit now?


Do you have the balls to admit that it would not matter to YOUR OPINION on Trump, either way, whether the tapes supported your assumptions or contradicted them? You evasive shithead.

Well that’s just dumb. Of course it’s not gonna change my opinion of him. I already think he’s one of the worst people on the planet. The question is will it change your opinion of him? I think the answer is no it will not. You already don’t care that he is a racist piece of shit. You’re not gonna care when it’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I can't wait to see who the next Republican leader is. Right now the person has to believe the election is rigged. And has to say it in public. So they have to nominate a nut. Not a guy like Paul Ryan. I could almost stand a guy like Paul Ryan and he would push all the same shit Trump pushed. Same conservative judges, deregulations, deny global warming, anti abortion, etc. But at least he wouldn't be corrupt.

My nephew likes Ron DeSantis. What do we know about this guy?

BULLSHIT. The media would come up with a "reason" that Paul Ryan was suddenly evul and/or wacist, and you would fall in line, like a good little serf

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

<crickets>

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

Oh, sorry I missed that post.

Well, are you asking my opinion, or asking me to specify what Trump was referring to?

REgardless, I'm glad you are not denying that Trump was right to denounce the violence and hatred from both sides, including from the left.


The point is, Trump denounced both sides for their bad behavior, the violent and hateful left (antifa/blm) and the violent and hateful right?, (w.s.).

As he well should have.

How about answering the question?

It was a riot. I have no idea what particular act(s) he was referring to.

He made a statement condemning the violence, bigotry and hate on BOTH sides.


Nit picking over which act of bigotry from the LEFT he was referring to, is fucking stupid.


You are just trying to avoid dealing with the fact that he condemned the violence, bigotry and hatred, as he well should have.


His response was nearly perfect and you are nit picking like the asshole you are.

So what was this display of bigotry on the left he was talking about?

Answered above.

And sure like all the people Trump used eventually he threw Proud Boys under the bus too. No surprise.

‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (Published 2021)

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

www.nytimes.com

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.

That has no relevance to anything in this thread. You are bringing it up, BECAUSE it has no relevance.


You people lied. You people lied A BIG LIE.


One big enough to swing the election.


Thus, the election is not legitimate.

There were exit polls…how many people listed Trump’s perceived ambivalence towards racists as a reason not to vote for him? (ambivalence he displayed over and over)

The blob did get the INCEL vote...

He got 99.9% of the racist vote. He wasn’t going to trade that for a minuscule increase in the black vote…he HAD to play footsie with the racists that supported him.

Trump lost because of COVID, period. If he had responded more effectively to the pandemic, he would’ve been reelected.

You people are delusional. White Racists have been completely marginalized since the mid 60s. Which is why you people are so focused on fighting them.

Trump would love to have more of the minority vote. Hell, it has been a common point of discussion that without being able to do that, republicans are doomed as a national party.


Your lie here, is part of a larger lie, that republicans are wacist, so that you people can keep your lock on the minority votes.


You are lying assholes like that.

He wasn’t willing to condemn racists because they supported him. We all know it.

All Republicans are not racist. Most racists VOTE Republican. That is nobody’s fault but Republicans.

He repeatedly and clearly condemned ws.

Your denial is you being a liar.


That you lie, shows that you fear that if the voters knew the Truth, they would vote against you.

Only after public pressure. Each and every time he was first asked to condemn someone or some thing having to do with white supremacy he equivocated. When public pressure over his equivocation would mount, then he would come out with a prepared statement. (Prepared by someone else)

if you can't be honest about this, "and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists"

what are the odds you can be trusted to tell the truth about "only after public pressure" or " he equivocated"?


Rhetorical question. You are a horrific liar. Your words, your judgements, have no weight.

I posted links, cultist.

You people lied as a group and stuck and are sticking to your lies, even when the actual transcripts are repeatedly shoved in your face.


NOTHING YOU SAY, about any situation with any ambiguity has any credibility.

No, that is not strong enough,

Anything you say, in any situation with ANY ambiguity, has ANTI-CREDIBILITY.

Well you think the election was stolen so we aren't taking you at all seriously anymore. Anyone who thinks the election was rigged is an idiot.

Yeah, but you got to give him mad props for his unique explanation as to how it was “stolen”. Using his logic, Hillary Clinton had the election stolen from her in 2016 because of the outrageous lies Trump told about her her.

And didn't Trump steal the GOP nominee from Ted Cruz when he accused Ted's father of being involved in the Kennedy assassination?

“Ted Cruz didn’t win Iowa, he stole it,” Trump (@realDonaldTrump) tweeted. “That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!”

Same dipshit, same batshit, different election. 'They stole it!!' is Trump's go to for any election he loses. Does this ring any bells?

“Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified,” Trump wrote.

Dipshits are gonna dip, I guess.

Yeah, but we have a whole new dipshit, Correll , claiming Trump lost because the “MSM” lied about Donald Trump and what he said in Charlottesville. That would mean Trump stole the primary from Cruz because he lied about Cruz’s father and it would mean that he stole the 2016 election from Hillary Clinton because he lied about her constantly.

Re:The OP, to make a BIG LIE stick, you need to control the means of information. Trump does not. He can talk some shit, that don't mean nothing.

YOU PEOPLE, can make it stick, even when it is the most absurd shit, like pretending that "not w.s." means, "w.s.".

Trump had more media coverage in 2016 than all the other candidates combined. Trump now has at least three media outlets and a Russian President dedicated to broadcasting his lies. Argument fail. (And you still have zero evidence to support your claim. No poll, survey, interview, nothing)

Sure, negative coverage.

LOL!! "Russia president"? So funny to see lefties red baiting.

THe big Three, Big Tech, Hollywood, Cancel culture, your side's grip on the means of information is strong and you are growing ever more abusive and tyrannical in your exercise of it.


Support my claim? You people are pretending to not know what "not" means.


lol!!!

No sugar it wasn’t negative coverage. Jesus H Christ on a raft you live in upside fucking down world.

Research: Media Coverage of the 2016 Election | Shorenstein Center

The Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy produced a multi-part research series analyzing news media coverage of candidates and issues during the 2016 presidential election. The reports were authored by Thomas E. Patterson, Bradlee Professor of Government and the Press, with...

shorensteincenter.org

Key findings:

• During 2015, major news outlets covered Donald Trump in an unusual way given his low initial polling numbers—a high volume of media coverage preceded Trump’s rise in polls.
• Trump’s coverage was positive in tone—he received far more “good press” than “bad press,” largely in the context of the “horserace,” centering on his growing crowds and momentum. The coverage helped propel Trump to the top of Republican polls.
• The Democratic race in 2015 received less than half the coverage of the Republican race, partly as a result of journalists’ focus on Trump.
• Bernie Sanders’ campaign was largely ignored in the early months but, as he began to get coverage, it was overwhelmingly positive in tone. Sanders’ coverage in 2015 was the most favorable of any of the top candidates, Republican or Democratic.
• Hillary Clinton had by far the most negative coverage of any candidate. In 11 of the 12 months, her “bad news” outpaced her “good news,” usually by a wide margin, contributing to her increasingly unfavorable poll ratings in 2015.

I will tell you what is upside down. People being persecuted for their political beliefs. Your own government telling us questioning what they are saying makes you a traitor. How dumb are you people? A child can see this kind of crap. It is not patriotic and it is un American.

That’s not happening. People are being prosecuted for breaking the law not persecuted for political beliefs.

More fucking lies, that A won't fool anyone , and B. won't change the way it escalates teh conflict.

Uh Oh. Somebody’s getting pissy and mad and threatening again. You ARE a caricature…

When you start putting people in jail based on partisan politics...

yes, people will get angry.


That you think... you can just say words and that will mean anything, while you are imprisoning your political enemies,


is you kidding yourself.

Sorry, Vlad, that's not actually happening. People who rioted and tried to break in and kill members of Congress and the Vice President are being charged with the actual crimes they committed.

You can shake your fists in impotent rage all you want. Law breakers are still going to go to jail and you still won't do shit.

They are being investigated and targeted far more aggressively than other rioters of the last 4 years.


Based on partisan politics.


That makes anyone serving time, from that, political prisoners.

Your denial of this fact, is irrelevant.


It might help you avoid facing your responsibility for the escalation in the political conflict in this country.


But, self delusion is not normally considered a good thing.

You saying it doesn’t make it true. PROVE it.

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

<crickets>

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

Oh, sorry I missed that post.

Well, are you asking my opinion, or asking me to specify what Trump was referring to?

REgardless, I'm glad you are not denying that Trump was right to denounce the violence and hatred from both sides, including from the left.


The point is, Trump denounced both sides for their bad behavior, the violent and hateful left (antifa/blm) and the violent and hateful right?, (w.s.).

As he well should have.

How about answering the question?

It was a riot. I have no idea what particular act(s) he was referring to.

He made a statement condemning the violence, bigotry and hate on BOTH sides.


Nit picking over which act of bigotry from the LEFT he was referring to, is fucking stupid.


You are just trying to avoid dealing with the fact that he condemned the violence, bigotry and hatred, as he well should have.


His response was nearly perfect and you are nit picking like the asshole you are.

So what was this display of bigotry on the left he was talking about?

Answered above.

And sure like all the people Trump used eventually he threw Proud Boys under the bus too. No surprise.

‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (Published 2021)

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

www.nytimes.com

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.

That has no relevance to anything in this thread. You are bringing it up, BECAUSE it has no relevance.


You people lied. You people lied A BIG LIE.


One big enough to swing the election.


Thus, the election is not legitimate.

There were exit polls…how many people listed Trump’s perceived ambivalence towards racists as a reason not to vote for him? (ambivalence he displayed over and over)

The blob did get the INCEL vote...

He got 99.9% of the racist vote. He wasn’t going to trade that for a minuscule increase in the black vote…he HAD to play footsie with the racists that supported him.

Trump lost because of COVID, period. If he had responded more effectively to the pandemic, he would’ve been reelected.

You people are delusional. White Racists have been completely marginalized since the mid 60s. Which is why you people are so focused on fighting them.

Trump would love to have more of the minority vote. Hell, it has been a common point of discussion that without being able to do that, republicans are doomed as a national party.


Your lie here, is part of a larger lie, that republicans are wacist, so that you people can keep your lock on the minority votes.


You are lying assholes like that.

He wasn’t willing to condemn racists because they supported him. We all know it.

All Republicans are not racist. Most racists VOTE Republican. That is nobody’s fault but Republicans.

He repeatedly and clearly condemned ws.

Your denial is you being a liar.


That you lie, shows that you fear that if the voters knew the Truth, they would vote against you.

Only after public pressure. Each and every time he was first asked to condemn someone or some thing having to do with white supremacy he equivocated. When public pressure over his equivocation would mount, then he would come out with a prepared statement. (Prepared by someone else)

if you can't be honest about this, "and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists"

what are the odds you can be trusted to tell the truth about "only after public pressure" or " he equivocated"?


Rhetorical question. You are a horrific liar. Your words, your judgements, have no weight.

I posted links, cultist.

You people lied as a group and stuck and are sticking to your lies, even when the actual transcripts are repeatedly shoved in your face.


NOTHING YOU SAY, about any situation with any ambiguity has any credibility.

No, that is not strong enough,

Anything you say, in any situation with ANY ambiguity, has ANTI-CREDIBILITY.

I absolutely adore how reporting exactly what Trump said is “lying” about him. Would you like more links about Trump’s tacit approval of racists? Okay!

Analysis: Why won't Donald Trump condemn white nationalism?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Why doesn't President Donald Trump just unequivocally condemn white supremacists? It's a jarring question to ask about an American president.

apnews.com

The president was silent when journalists asked whether he rejected the support of nationalist groups.

That silence was cheered by the white supremacist website Daily Stormer: “When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”

What does it tell you when the racists believe he supports them?

You are perpetuating a lie. Go get yourself a treat, and get off the internet. Thanks.

Nope, just reporting on what the former President said and did. Whether or not Trump actually is racist we may never know. There is plenty of evidence to support the theory that he is, but the racists believe he is. What does that say?

You will never "know" because you can interpret "not them" as "them", in your search for "evidence" to support your self serving conclusions.

Oh, I think we could know. Like if the Apprentice tapes get released.

It is a fact that the racists believe that Trump is one of them. What does that tell you?

If there was anything on those tapes it would have been released before the election. And where are these racists at? Chicago, where the Black mayor refuses to talk to white reporters?

Oh, there is something on those tapes. Why else would he fight so hard to keep them secret?

At a guess, because he knows that dishonest assholes of the type that see "not w.s." as, "w.s.", will be going deep diving in them "looking" for shit to throw at the wall.

And by "looking" I mean, lying their leftard asses off about.

If the tapes don’t show him being a racist douche, what’s the worry?

You people have shown, a lot, that you are filthy liars that would claim that ANYTHING, is wacist.


Like retarded monkeys throwing shit at a wall.

Uh huh. If the Apprentice tapes have him flat out using the N word as alleged, you’ll defend him anyway. It’s your job as sycophant.

LOL!!! Dude. You can listen to a tape of Trump saying, "and I'm NOT talking about w.s." and you hear him say, "and I am talking about w.s.".


So, how can we even discuss tapes? You imagine what you want to hear, or not hear.


NOt to mention, if America was half,...no, a TENTH, as wacist as you retards claim to believe it is, you would not have to be searching for evidence of it is secret tapes and hidden dog whistles. YOu would be able to point to formal government policies and laws, that require racist discrimination.

Like Affirmative Action and Disparate Impact Theory.

Sorry, you’re confusing me with someone else that you’re having that conversation with.

He could say it, spell it and send it up in smoke signals. You would remain as slavishly devoted as you are now.

You lefties do tend to blur together.

Not being someone who hates me and is as much of in your face assholes as you people are, makes Trump the easy one to support as opposed to evil leftards like yourself.

Thanks for admitting you wouldn't care if Trump was on tape saying the N word.

You're welcome.

Do you have the balls to admit that you wouldn't care either, either way?

Oh, I would care. I would care because it would prove you even more wrong than you already are. And then your non-caring would prove me right about you.

Dude. Did you really misunderstand that, or are you just talking shit now?


Do you have the balls to admit that it would not matter to YOUR OPINION on Trump, either way, whether the tapes supported your assumptions or contradicted them? You evasive shithead.

Well that’s just dumb. Of course it’s not gonna change my opinion of him. I already think he’s one of the worst people on the planet. The question is will it change your opinion of him? I think the answer is no it will not. You already don’t care that he is a racist piece of shit. You’re not gonna care when it’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I can't wait to see who the next Republican leader is. Right now the person has to believe the election is rigged. And has to say it in public. So they have to nominate a nut. Not a guy like Paul Ryan. I could almost stand a guy like Paul Ryan and he would push all the same shit Trump pushed. Same conservative judges, deregulations, deny global warming, anti abortion, etc. But at least he wouldn't be corrupt.

My nephew likes Ron DeSantis. What do we know about this guy?

BULLSHIT. The media would come up with a "reason" that Paul Ryan was suddenly evul and/or wacist, and you would fall in line, like a good little serf.

Weird. The guy ran for VP and managed not the get called a racist.

If he runs for the Presidency, he will be.

The Left NEEDS for every serious threat to be smeared as a wacist, so that they can mobilize the base and the minority voters.


That is why they can never admit that an accusation of wacism was false. Even when the transcripts are rubbed in their faces like they were a bad behaving and stupid puppy that peed on the floor.

It's your job to convince blacks that the Grand Old Party isn't racist.

Well, correct.

Except, it's an impossible job, thanks to the Left's control of media and big tech and the schools and hollywood.

So, we are in a situation where teh big lie works, and a significant portion of the population is marginalized based on false grounds and their interests are ignored if not actively attacked, and they have no recourse.

Oh please. There are blacks here on USMB. They aren't the ones who have been brainwashed by the media you are. They hear what you have to say and they see the policies you are for and against and they see you are a racist. You're assuming they are brainwashed and stupid when it's you who is.

If you Republicans can't convince blacks to vote Republican don't blame the media.

You people can watch the President say, "not w.s." and then use the media to tell the nation as a whole that the President said, "w.s.".

For you to claim that the "blacks" or anyone, is making their decisions based on the reality of the situation is just you defending a situation that benefits you, at the cost of your enemies.


You are winning. You like that. We are losing. YOu are punching down now. You are arresting people for defending themselves and putting them in jail. People are dying in the streets.

And you keep up the Big Lie, making sure that we have no legal or peaceful avenue to voice our issues or concerns.


YOu can say we can't blame you. YOu can dismiss our complaints and keep doing what you are doing.


Karma probably is not real. Maybe it will all work out and you can win and never worry about paying for your sins.

 

[Correll]

Were all these white racists Democrats? Republicans keep saying it was them who ended slavery but today it seems like they are the KKKlanmen of yesterday.

They try to deny it but the parties have switched. The conservative south has always been the most racist region of the country. It still is. But back then, it was primarily Democrat. Now it's primarily Republican. But it's always been conservative.

Meanwhile, in the real world.

Chicago’s mayor refuses to give interviews to white reporters

Lori Lightfoot was only accepting one-on-one interviews from journalists who are people of color. A Latino reporter at the The Chicago Tribune then canceled a interview with the mayor.

nypost.com

 

[Faun]

In this case, Trump was very clear and you people are just filthy lying whores.

LOLOL

So clear, he had to make 4 separate statements to clarify himself.

The fact that you people keep lying, and asking stupid questions, does not reflect on Trump's statements.

It's no lie. Trump spoke about it for 4 days in a row to clarify his idiotic claims. You're such a sycophant, you call that, "clear."

 

[sealybobo]

In this case, Trump was very clear and you people are just filthy lying whores.

LOLOL

So clear, he had to make 4 separate statements to clarify himself.

The fact that you people keep lying, and asking stupid questions, does not reflect on Trump's statements.

This is what Trump and Steve Bannon believed before the 2018 election

"Let them call you racist. Let them call you xenophobes. Let them call you nativists," he said. “Wear it as a badge of honor. Because every day, we get stronger and they get weaker.”

Boy was he wrong but do you see that he and Trump loved playing the race card and being called racists? They loved it. They thought it would work in their favor. Well today us Democrats control the House, Senate and White House. BOY was he wrong huh?

Maybe next time they won't play the race card. I know you don't understand that this was a tactic they purposely used but they did and it didn't work for them. Perhaps it would have if not for the pandemic. Because of the pandemic we mailed absentee ballots to every black person in Detroit. A lot of them wouldn't have went to vote in person but they had no problem filling out their ballot and mailing it in.

 

[Correll]

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

<crickets>

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

Oh, sorry I missed that post.

Well, are you asking my opinion, or asking me to specify what Trump was referring to?

REgardless, I'm glad you are not denying that Trump was right to denounce the violence and hatred from both sides, including from the left.


The point is, Trump denounced both sides for their bad behavior, the violent and hateful left (antifa/blm) and the violent and hateful right?, (w.s.).

As he well should have.

How about answering the question?

It was a riot. I have no idea what particular act(s) he was referring to.

He made a statement condemning the violence, bigotry and hate on BOTH sides.


Nit picking over which act of bigotry from the LEFT he was referring to, is fucking stupid.


You are just trying to avoid dealing with the fact that he condemned the violence, bigotry and hatred, as he well should have.


His response was nearly perfect and you are nit picking like the asshole you are.

So what was this display of bigotry on the left he was talking about?

Answered above.

And sure like all the people Trump used eventually he threw Proud Boys under the bus too. No surprise.

‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (Published 2021)

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

www.nytimes.com

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.

That has no relevance to anything in this thread. You are bringing it up, BECAUSE it has no relevance.


You people lied. You people lied A BIG LIE.


One big enough to swing the election.


Thus, the election is not legitimate.

There were exit polls…how many people listed Trump’s perceived ambivalence towards racists as a reason not to vote for him? (ambivalence he displayed over and over)

The blob did get the INCEL vote...

He got 99.9% of the racist vote. He wasn’t going to trade that for a minuscule increase in the black vote…he HAD to play footsie with the racists that supported him.

Trump lost because of COVID, period. If he had responded more effectively to the pandemic, he would’ve been reelected.

You people are delusional. White Racists have been completely marginalized since the mid 60s. Which is why you people are so focused on fighting them.

Trump would love to have more of the minority vote. Hell, it has been a common point of discussion that without being able to do that, republicans are doomed as a national party.


Your lie here, is part of a larger lie, that republicans are wacist, so that you people can keep your lock on the minority votes.


You are lying assholes like that.

He wasn’t willing to condemn racists because they supported him. We all know it.

All Republicans are not racist. Most racists VOTE Republican. That is nobody’s fault but Republicans.

He repeatedly and clearly condemned ws.

Your denial is you being a liar.


That you lie, shows that you fear that if the voters knew the Truth, they would vote against you.

Only after public pressure. Each and every time he was first asked to condemn someone or some thing having to do with white supremacy he equivocated. When public pressure over his equivocation would mount, then he would come out with a prepared statement. (Prepared by someone else)

if you can't be honest about this, "and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists"

what are the odds you can be trusted to tell the truth about "only after public pressure" or " he equivocated"?


Rhetorical question. You are a horrific liar. Your words, your judgements, have no weight.

I posted links, cultist.

You people lied as a group and stuck and are sticking to your lies, even when the actual transcripts are repeatedly shoved in your face.


NOTHING YOU SAY, about any situation with any ambiguity has any credibility.

No, that is not strong enough,

Anything you say, in any situation with ANY ambiguity, has ANTI-CREDIBILITY.

I absolutely adore how reporting exactly what Trump said is “lying” about him. Would you like more links about Trump’s tacit approval of racists? Okay!

Analysis: Why won't Donald Trump condemn white nationalism?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Why doesn't President Donald Trump just unequivocally condemn white supremacists? It's a jarring question to ask about an American president.

apnews.com

The president was silent when journalists asked whether he rejected the support of nationalist groups.

That silence was cheered by the white supremacist website Daily Stormer: “When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”

What does it tell you when the racists believe he supports them?

You are perpetuating a lie. Go get yourself a treat, and get off the internet. Thanks.

Nope, just reporting on what the former President said and did. Whether or not Trump actually is racist we may never know. There is plenty of evidence to support the theory that he is, but the racists believe he is. What does that say?

You will never "know" because you can interpret "not them" as "them", in your search for "evidence" to support your self serving conclusions.

Oh, I think we could know. Like if the Apprentice tapes get released.

It is a fact that the racists believe that Trump is one of them. What does that tell you?

No, you are too warped to tell the difference between, "not them" and "them". THe problem is not Trump but your fucked up thinking.

You're lying again, lying dumbfuck. Trump never said, "not them."

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."


You, are retarded.

So? We've already established it's the Proud Boys and neo-Confederates he thinks are "very fine people"

You are just lying more. Your words have anti-credibility.

Nope, the one lying is you -- falsely claiming Trump said things he never actually said.

He said "not the w.s." and you are insisting that he said, "the w.s.", because you are a lying whore.

Now you're lying again saying I denied he condemned white supremacists even though I acknowledged he said that.

If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like that.

BUT, you pretend that "w.s." is, I don't know, some sort of formal group name, and then you claim that that meant that he, since he did not list all possible groups or labels of ws. he meant that some other w.s. were "very fine people".


ANd now that I call you on your retarded bullshit, you fade back, and pretend that, of course you weren't saying THAT.


Standard libtard two step.

FUCK YOUR BULLSHIT YOU FILTHY LIAR.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

He waited days to condemn the perpetrators of the violence. He just can't bring himself to say bad things about his supporters no matter how heinous they are. (Without intense public pressure)

Later the same day. FROM THE QUOTE YOU REFERENCED.

I was not trying to trick you into that gotcha, You did that to yourself.

Days later, when he was more sure of the details, he got more specific.

The ws are a pathetic fringe in this society. Who have not had a voice in national politics since the early 60s.


Trump's supporters are working class and middle class whites, mostly. That you want to smear them as ws, is you being a racist asshole.

Man, you got it bad...it's kind of sickening to watch. We watched him do it again and again...

From Debate Stage, Trump Declines To Denounce White Supremacy

Asked to disavow white supremacists, President Trump addressed the Proud Boys directly, telling them to "stand back and stand by." He did not expand on what he meant.

www.npr.org

Report: Donald Trump won’t condemn support of David Duke, white supremacists: ‘I don’t know anything about him’

Update, 1:30 p.m., Feb. 28, 2016After his interview with CNN, Donald Trump tweeted that he disavows former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke’s support.“As I stated at the press

www.theadvocate.com

Also disgusting that you would downplay a serious threat to our national security.

U.S. report warns of threats from white supremacists, militias

U.S. spy agencies warned on Wednesday of an ongoing threat that racially motivated violent extremists, such as white supremacists, will carry out mass-casualty attacks on civilians while militia groups target police and government personnel and buildings.

www.reuters.com

Cool. You found people that agree with you.


What Trump really says about ws.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

Trump: "Those people -- all of those people – excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis.

Trump: ...the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally.

Trump: ...rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

So it's the Proud Boys and neo-Confederates who are "very fine people."

Thanks for clearing that up.

You are stonewalling. You have been stone cold busted as a liar.


The election was not legitimate because of your lies. YOu stonewalling will not change that.

Nope, Trump never condemned them. That must be who he was talking about since there were no "very fine people" among the Unite the Right racists.

Trump was clear that he was referring to non ws who supported the historical statues.

Your belief that everyone that was there was a ws, is fine.

The bit were you LIE and say he said something he did not say, is you lying.


That you pretend to not understand this, is another lie.

I'm going by what he said and didn't say. He didn't condemn the Proud Boys or the neo-Confederates. He said there were "very fine people on both sides." Now we know who he was talking about on the right. Thanks again for clearing that up.

And you could tell he was being very careful what he said and didn't say. Because what he really wanted to say would frighten you.

...

So, which is it? DId he SAY it or did he "didn't say it", but you know he meant it?

YOU PEOPLE DID NOT SAY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING NOW.


YOU LIED AND SAID THAT HE SAID, "WS ARE VERY FINE PEOPLE".

That is not what he said.


You BELIEVE, that that is what he meant, But when you tell people that he said, what you THINK he meant, that is you LYING.

He said it, but then didn't say it soon enough. And he said something different the day before and after. Or he didn't say anything, which sometimes is saying something.

In the Greek community we have a saying. My silence is your answer

But that is not what you people have said, nor is it your standard position on this issue.

Your position is a lie, ie that he said something he did not say.


That you look at what he said, and deep down, you just "know" that he meant something else, does not give you the right to tell other people that he actually said what you THINK he meant.


AND, it is worth remembering that you are an extremely partisan and ideological lefty, who is probably not a fair judge of what your enemies are thinking.

It's not a lie, dumbfuck. There were 2 sides. One side was a bunch of racists who went to rally in an attempt to unite various factions of racists. Trump said some of them were "very fine people."

Trump: Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee."

Reporter: "Should that statue be taken down?"

Trump: "Excuse me. If you take a look at some of the groups, and you see -- and you’d know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases you’re not -- but many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

I don't know how many times we need to go over this ... but ... he didn't condemn the Proud Boys and he didn't condemn the neo-Confederates. So now we know who he thinks are "very fine people."

The Proud Boys weren't even there, and he was clear about condemning ws.


White Supremacist is not a group, it is a category of groups and people. That you focus on him not individually naming one small group of them,

is you grasping at straws.


It is pathetic and weak. Be a man. Admit that you have been stone cold busted as lying.

Members of the Proud Boys organization were there. Are you saying that the group is not responsible for the actions of individual members within that group? Do you apply the same standard to BLM?

Very few members, against the express direction of the group's leadership.

Your need to pretend that your enemies are w.s. if you being afraid of Truth.

Funny how you just blew right past the BLM reference. BLM has also condemned violence and the rioters at their protests and yet you want to associate those rioters to BLM.

I've found that liberals are very dishonest and if presented with multiple points, will ignore teh one that hurts them them most and respond to other points.


I've discussed blm at great length on this site. It is retarded to pretend that I am afraid to address ANYTHING about them.

Oh look, another dodge. Are the people that riot and do violence part of BLM despite BLM condemning the violence and rioting and telling people to protest peacefully, yes or no?

As I have stated before, imo, blm has a long record of calling for "protests" that "just happen" to turn violent.

So, yes, BLM is responsible for the violence in their name, for a number of reasons, that do NOT apply to the Proud Boys in this example.

You act like I couldn’t have guessed your answer. I knew you would be a raging fucking hypocrite. You really didn’t have to prove it.

Probably because it is obvious. You don't believe BLM either. And you know that the Proud Boys did order their members to not attend and they did kick out the one guy that did.

So, yeah, it would be easy to guess my answer.

You're lying again, lying dumbfuck. There were more Proud Boys there besides Kessler. Kessler was thrown out because he organized the event. But He didn't go alone.

Proud Boys descended into dysfunction after US Capitol riot, new messages show
Proud Boys descended into dysfunction after US Capitol riot, new messages show

The discussion, right now, is focused on the Charlottesville Riot, which the Proud Boys were not part of, and has nothing to do with.

That you bring up another incident, more than three years later, makes no sense.

Just pointing out how violent they are...unlike BLM who advocate peaceful protest and condemn rioters.

Only a fool would believe that BLM truly advocates "peaceful protests" and is serious when it condemns rioters.

Ah…so they say it but don’t mean it. The Proud Boys don’t say it but of course they mean it, right? Do you even take yourself seriously?

We see the same behavior in this very thread. You lefties are insanely dishonest liars. We on the other side, are not.


Dude. Get a grip. You are the bad guys. You are lying whores, spreading hate and division.

That this is consistent across teh board with different groups of lefties, is not surprising.

"We on the other side, are not."

LOLOLOL

That's another lie. The truth is-- you just can't stop lying.

Faun. The way you lie, the way you stone wall, the way you are constantly and always a troll asshole,


you know you are the bad guy(s).


We on the other hand, the other side, opposite you libtards, we deserve some consideration of our words and opinions as likely being stated in good faith.


Because we have not demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we are filthy lying whores, that have anti-credibility.

LOL

Says the liar who falsely claimed Trump said, "not them."

Falsely claimed I denied Trump condemned white supremacists.

Falsely claimed he's the one being truthful.

I see you got it moved to COnspiracy Theory, which is nonsense.

That was your goal which is why you kept trying to divert this thread, which was about voter fraud, to be about Trump calling racists "very fine people."

Congrats, diversion successful.

And now some more word games, trying to confuse w.s. with wacist, just so you can continue to try to gin up some confusion, when Trump was super clear.


You are an asshole. And a liar.

Nope, you're lying claiming Trump said things he never said.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

Yes, you've clarified when he said there were "very fine people" among the Unite the Right crowd, he was speaking of Proud Boys and neo-Confederates.

Except I did not say that. That was your dishonest spin.

You are just lying more, to distract from and defend the BIG LIE, per the op.

YOu are nothing but a filthy lying whore.

It's not my problem you don't know what you're saying. That rally was comprised of white nationalists, white supremacists, KKK, neo-Nazis, neo-Confederate and Proud Boys. You pointed out he condemned the white supremacists, KKK and neo-Nazis and called the others "very fine people."

Do you understand that Trump and I do not believe that the rally was solely comprised of those people?

You race baiting asshole.

We love it that Trump defended white supremists. He lost the election so mission accomplished. Maybe next time don't choose an evil idiot liar who is so stubborn he will even defend Proud Boys and Qanon. I love it!

Oh, and if you ask Trump's handlers they'll tell you it's good we are calling him a racist.

Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon on Saturday told a crowd of far-right French politicians to let people label them as "racist," and to consider it "a badge of honor."

That was March 2018 when he said that. Clearly he thought Trump was going to be re elected. Perhaps Steve miscalculated his badge of honor comment. Because right now Trump's sitting in Mara Lago and he's a racist who isn't the leader of the free world. Why? Because blacks showed up and voted him out.

I asked a question. YOu replied and instead of answering the question all you did was spam wace baiting talking points.

Hard to have a real discussion when all one side does is stand there and scream "RACIST" like a retarded asshole.


And I mean, EXCACTLY LIKE A RETARDED ASSHOLE.

 

[Faun]

Karma probably is not real. Maybe it will all work out and you can win and never worry about paying for your sins.

Or karma is real and payback's a bitch.

 

[sealybobo]

Were all these white racists Democrats? Republicans keep saying it was them who ended slavery but today it seems like they are the KKKlanmen of yesterday.

They try to deny it but the parties have switched. The conservative south has always been the most racist region of the country. It still is. But back then, it was primarily Democrat. Now it's primarily Republican. But it's always been conservative.

Meanwhile, in the real world.

Chicago’s mayor refuses to give interviews to white reporters

Lori Lightfoot was only accepting one-on-one interviews from journalists who are people of color. A Latino reporter at the The Chicago Tribune then canceled a interview with the mayor.

nypost.com

Great move on her part

Chicago’s mayor declared that she would only grant one-on-one interviews to minority journalists to protest the lack of diversity in the Windy City press corps.

Why is there such a lack of diversity in the press corps? Are blacks not qualified to be reporters? Seems to me those news agencies need to implement a diversity program.

So stop crying about how bad whites got it dummy. We have all the jobs.

 

[Correll]

Were all these white racists Democrats? Republicans keep saying it was them who ended slavery but today it seems like they are the KKKlanmen of yesterday.

They try to deny it but the parties have switched. The conservative south has always been the most racist region of the country. It still is. But back then, it was primarily Democrat. Now it's primarily Republican. But it's always been conservative.

Meanwhile, in the real world.

Chicago’s mayor refuses to give interviews to white reporters

Lori Lightfoot was only accepting one-on-one interviews from journalists who are people of color. A Latino reporter at the The Chicago Tribune then canceled a interview with the mayor.

nypost.com

Great move on her part

Chicago’s mayor declared that she would only grant one-on-one interviews to minority journalists to protest the lack of diversity in the Windy City press corps.

Why is there such a lack of diversity in the press corps? Are blacks not qualified to be reporters? Seems to me those news agencies need to implement a diversity program.

So stop crying about how bad whites got it dummy. We have all the jobs.

YOur defense of blatant racism, makes my point. It is not the South today, that is the hot bed of racism, it is dem cities and circles.

 

[sealybobo]

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

<crickets>

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

Oh, sorry I missed that post.

Well, are you asking my opinion, or asking me to specify what Trump was referring to?

REgardless, I'm glad you are not denying that Trump was right to denounce the violence and hatred from both sides, including from the left.


The point is, Trump denounced both sides for their bad behavior, the violent and hateful left (antifa/blm) and the violent and hateful right?, (w.s.).

As he well should have.

How about answering the question?

It was a riot. I have no idea what particular act(s) he was referring to.

He made a statement condemning the violence, bigotry and hate on BOTH sides.


Nit picking over which act of bigotry from the LEFT he was referring to, is fucking stupid.


You are just trying to avoid dealing with the fact that he condemned the violence, bigotry and hatred, as he well should have.


His response was nearly perfect and you are nit picking like the asshole you are.

So what was this display of bigotry on the left he was talking about?

Answered above.

And sure like all the people Trump used eventually he threw Proud Boys under the bus too. No surprise.

‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (Published 2021)

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

www.nytimes.com

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.

That has no relevance to anything in this thread. You are bringing it up, BECAUSE it has no relevance.


You people lied. You people lied A BIG LIE.


One big enough to swing the election.


Thus, the election is not legitimate.

There were exit polls…how many people listed Trump’s perceived ambivalence towards racists as a reason not to vote for him? (ambivalence he displayed over and over)

The blob did get the INCEL vote...

He got 99.9% of the racist vote. He wasn’t going to trade that for a minuscule increase in the black vote…he HAD to play footsie with the racists that supported him.

Trump lost because of COVID, period. If he had responded more effectively to the pandemic, he would’ve been reelected.

You people are delusional. White Racists have been completely marginalized since the mid 60s. Which is why you people are so focused on fighting them.

Trump would love to have more of the minority vote. Hell, it has been a common point of discussion that without being able to do that, republicans are doomed as a national party.


Your lie here, is part of a larger lie, that republicans are wacist, so that you people can keep your lock on the minority votes.


You are lying assholes like that.

He wasn’t willing to condemn racists because they supported him. We all know it.

All Republicans are not racist. Most racists VOTE Republican. That is nobody’s fault but Republicans.

He repeatedly and clearly condemned ws.

Your denial is you being a liar.


That you lie, shows that you fear that if the voters knew the Truth, they would vote against you.

Only after public pressure. Each and every time he was first asked to condemn someone or some thing having to do with white supremacy he equivocated. When public pressure over his equivocation would mount, then he would come out with a prepared statement. (Prepared by someone else)

if you can't be honest about this, "and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists"

what are the odds you can be trusted to tell the truth about "only after public pressure" or " he equivocated"?


Rhetorical question. You are a horrific liar. Your words, your judgements, have no weight.

I posted links, cultist.

You people lied as a group and stuck and are sticking to your lies, even when the actual transcripts are repeatedly shoved in your face.


NOTHING YOU SAY, about any situation with any ambiguity has any credibility.

No, that is not strong enough,

Anything you say, in any situation with ANY ambiguity, has ANTI-CREDIBILITY.

I absolutely adore how reporting exactly what Trump said is “lying” about him. Would you like more links about Trump’s tacit approval of racists? Okay!

Analysis: Why won't Donald Trump condemn white nationalism?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Why doesn't President Donald Trump just unequivocally condemn white supremacists? It's a jarring question to ask about an American president.

apnews.com

The president was silent when journalists asked whether he rejected the support of nationalist groups.

That silence was cheered by the white supremacist website Daily Stormer: “When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”

What does it tell you when the racists believe he supports them?

You are perpetuating a lie. Go get yourself a treat, and get off the internet. Thanks.

Nope, just reporting on what the former President said and did. Whether or not Trump actually is racist we may never know. There is plenty of evidence to support the theory that he is, but the racists believe he is. What does that say?

You will never "know" because you can interpret "not them" as "them", in your search for "evidence" to support your self serving conclusions.

Oh, I think we could know. Like if the Apprentice tapes get released.

It is a fact that the racists believe that Trump is one of them. What does that tell you?

No, you are too warped to tell the difference between, "not them" and "them". THe problem is not Trump but your fucked up thinking.

You're lying again, lying dumbfuck. Trump never said, "not them."

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."


You, are retarded.

So? We've already established it's the Proud Boys and neo-Confederates he thinks are "very fine people"

You are just lying more. Your words have anti-credibility.

Nope, the one lying is you -- falsely claiming Trump said things he never actually said.

He said "not the w.s." and you are insisting that he said, "the w.s.", because you are a lying whore.

Now you're lying again saying I denied he condemned white supremacists even though I acknowledged he said that.

If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like that.

BUT, you pretend that "w.s." is, I don't know, some sort of formal group name, and then you claim that that meant that he, since he did not list all possible groups or labels of ws. he meant that some other w.s. were "very fine people".


ANd now that I call you on your retarded bullshit, you fade back, and pretend that, of course you weren't saying THAT.


Standard libtard two step.

FUCK YOUR BULLSHIT YOU FILTHY LIAR.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

He waited days to condemn the perpetrators of the violence. He just can't bring himself to say bad things about his supporters no matter how heinous they are. (Without intense public pressure)

Later the same day. FROM THE QUOTE YOU REFERENCED.

I was not trying to trick you into that gotcha, You did that to yourself.

Days later, when he was more sure of the details, he got more specific.

The ws are a pathetic fringe in this society. Who have not had a voice in national politics since the early 60s.


Trump's supporters are working class and middle class whites, mostly. That you want to smear them as ws, is you being a racist asshole.

Man, you got it bad...it's kind of sickening to watch. We watched him do it again and again...

From Debate Stage, Trump Declines To Denounce White Supremacy

Asked to disavow white supremacists, President Trump addressed the Proud Boys directly, telling them to "stand back and stand by." He did not expand on what he meant.

www.npr.org

Report: Donald Trump won’t condemn support of David Duke, white supremacists: ‘I don’t know anything about him’

Update, 1:30 p.m., Feb. 28, 2016After his interview with CNN, Donald Trump tweeted that he disavows former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke’s support.“As I stated at the press

www.theadvocate.com

Also disgusting that you would downplay a serious threat to our national security.

U.S. report warns of threats from white supremacists, militias

U.S. spy agencies warned on Wednesday of an ongoing threat that racially motivated violent extremists, such as white supremacists, will carry out mass-casualty attacks on civilians while militia groups target police and government personnel and buildings.

www.reuters.com

Cool. You found people that agree with you.


What Trump really says about ws.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

Trump: "Those people -- all of those people – excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis.

Trump: ...the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally.

Trump: ...rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

So it's the Proud Boys and neo-Confederates who are "very fine people."

Thanks for clearing that up.

You are stonewalling. You have been stone cold busted as a liar.


The election was not legitimate because of your lies. YOu stonewalling will not change that.

Nope, Trump never condemned them. That must be who he was talking about since there were no "very fine people" among the Unite the Right racists.

Trump was clear that he was referring to non ws who supported the historical statues.

Your belief that everyone that was there was a ws, is fine.

The bit were you LIE and say he said something he did not say, is you lying.


That you pretend to not understand this, is another lie.

I'm going by what he said and didn't say. He didn't condemn the Proud Boys or the neo-Confederates. He said there were "very fine people on both sides." Now we know who he was talking about on the right. Thanks again for clearing that up.

And you could tell he was being very careful what he said and didn't say. Because what he really wanted to say would frighten you.

...

So, which is it? DId he SAY it or did he "didn't say it", but you know he meant it?

YOU PEOPLE DID NOT SAY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING NOW.


YOU LIED AND SAID THAT HE SAID, "WS ARE VERY FINE PEOPLE".

That is not what he said.


You BELIEVE, that that is what he meant, But when you tell people that he said, what you THINK he meant, that is you LYING.

He said it, but then didn't say it soon enough. And he said something different the day before and after. Or he didn't say anything, which sometimes is saying something.

In the Greek community we have a saying. My silence is your answer

But that is not what you people have said, nor is it your standard position on this issue.

Your position is a lie, ie that he said something he did not say.


That you look at what he said, and deep down, you just "know" that he meant something else, does not give you the right to tell other people that he actually said what you THINK he meant.


AND, it is worth remembering that you are an extremely partisan and ideological lefty, who is probably not a fair judge of what your enemies are thinking.

It's not a lie, dumbfuck. There were 2 sides. One side was a bunch of racists who went to rally in an attempt to unite various factions of racists. Trump said some of them were "very fine people."

Trump: Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee."

Reporter: "Should that statue be taken down?"

Trump: "Excuse me. If you take a look at some of the groups, and you see -- and you’d know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases you’re not -- but many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

I don't know how many times we need to go over this ... but ... he didn't condemn the Proud Boys and he didn't condemn the neo-Confederates. So now we know who he thinks are "very fine people."

The Proud Boys weren't even there, and he was clear about condemning ws.


White Supremacist is not a group, it is a category of groups and people. That you focus on him not individually naming one small group of them,

is you grasping at straws.


It is pathetic and weak. Be a man. Admit that you have been stone cold busted as lying.

Members of the Proud Boys organization were there. Are you saying that the group is not responsible for the actions of individual members within that group? Do you apply the same standard to BLM?

Very few members, against the express direction of the group's leadership.

Your need to pretend that your enemies are w.s. if you being afraid of Truth.

Funny how you just blew right past the BLM reference. BLM has also condemned violence and the rioters at their protests and yet you want to associate those rioters to BLM.

I've found that liberals are very dishonest and if presented with multiple points, will ignore teh one that hurts them them most and respond to other points.


I've discussed blm at great length on this site. It is retarded to pretend that I am afraid to address ANYTHING about them.

Oh look, another dodge. Are the people that riot and do violence part of BLM despite BLM condemning the violence and rioting and telling people to protest peacefully, yes or no?

As I have stated before, imo, blm has a long record of calling for "protests" that "just happen" to turn violent.

So, yes, BLM is responsible for the violence in their name, for a number of reasons, that do NOT apply to the Proud Boys in this example.

You act like I couldn’t have guessed your answer. I knew you would be a raging fucking hypocrite. You really didn’t have to prove it.

Probably because it is obvious. You don't believe BLM either. And you know that the Proud Boys did order their members to not attend and they did kick out the one guy that did.

So, yeah, it would be easy to guess my answer.

You're lying again, lying dumbfuck. There were more Proud Boys there besides Kessler. Kessler was thrown out because he organized the event. But He didn't go alone.

Proud Boys descended into dysfunction after US Capitol riot, new messages show
Proud Boys descended into dysfunction after US Capitol riot, new messages show

The discussion, right now, is focused on the Charlottesville Riot, which the Proud Boys were not part of, and has nothing to do with.

That you bring up another incident, more than three years later, makes no sense.

Just pointing out how violent they are...unlike BLM who advocate peaceful protest and condemn rioters.

Only a fool would believe that BLM truly advocates "peaceful protests" and is serious when it condemns rioters.

Ah…so they say it but don’t mean it. The Proud Boys don’t say it but of course they mean it, right? Do you even take yourself seriously?

We see the same behavior in this very thread. You lefties are insanely dishonest liars. We on the other side, are not.


Dude. Get a grip. You are the bad guys. You are lying whores, spreading hate and division.

That this is consistent across teh board with different groups of lefties, is not surprising.

"We on the other side, are not."

LOLOLOL

That's another lie. The truth is-- you just can't stop lying.

Faun. The way you lie, the way you stone wall, the way you are constantly and always a troll asshole,


you know you are the bad guy(s).


We on the other hand, the other side, opposite you libtards, we deserve some consideration of our words and opinions as likely being stated in good faith.


Because we have not demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we are filthy lying whores, that have anti-credibility.

LOL

Says the liar who falsely claimed Trump said, "not them."

Falsely claimed I denied Trump condemned white supremacists.

Falsely claimed he's the one being truthful.

I see you got it moved to COnspiracy Theory, which is nonsense.

That was your goal which is why you kept trying to divert this thread, which was about voter fraud, to be about Trump calling racists "very fine people."

Congrats, diversion successful.

And now some more word games, trying to confuse w.s. with wacist, just so you can continue to try to gin up some confusion, when Trump was super clear.


You are an asshole. And a liar.

Nope, you're lying claiming Trump said things he never said.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

Yes, you've clarified when he said there were "very fine people" among the Unite the Right crowd, he was speaking of Proud Boys and neo-Confederates.

Except I did not say that. That was your dishonest spin.

You are just lying more, to distract from and defend the BIG LIE, per the op.

YOu are nothing but a filthy lying whore.

It's not my problem you don't know what you're saying. That rally was comprised of white nationalists, white supremacists, KKK, neo-Nazis, neo-Confederate and Proud Boys. You pointed out he condemned the white supremacists, KKK and neo-Nazis and called the others "very fine people."

Do you understand that Trump and I do not believe that the rally was solely comprised of those people?

You race baiting asshole.

It was a stupid thing for Trump to say. Sure, of the hundreds of ws at the rally I'm sure there were a couple very fine people but can you name any?

No, I think any white who went to that rally is a racist or ignorant fuck who is worried about a statue of Robert E Lee? If they aren't aware that they are racists themselves then they are ignorant to the racism that blacks have to deal with in America.

 

[Correll]

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

<crickets>

What was the display of bigotry from the left?

Oh, sorry I missed that post.

Well, are you asking my opinion, or asking me to specify what Trump was referring to?

REgardless, I'm glad you are not denying that Trump was right to denounce the violence and hatred from both sides, including from the left.


The point is, Trump denounced both sides for their bad behavior, the violent and hateful left (antifa/blm) and the violent and hateful right?, (w.s.).

As he well should have.

How about answering the question?

It was a riot. I have no idea what particular act(s) he was referring to.

He made a statement condemning the violence, bigotry and hate on BOTH sides.


Nit picking over which act of bigotry from the LEFT he was referring to, is fucking stupid.


You are just trying to avoid dealing with the fact that he condemned the violence, bigotry and hatred, as he well should have.


His response was nearly perfect and you are nit picking like the asshole you are.

So what was this display of bigotry on the left he was talking about?

Answered above.

And sure like all the people Trump used eventually he threw Proud Boys under the bus too. No surprise.

‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump (Published 2021)

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

www.nytimes.com

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.

That has no relevance to anything in this thread. You are bringing it up, BECAUSE it has no relevance.


You people lied. You people lied A BIG LIE.


One big enough to swing the election.


Thus, the election is not legitimate.

There were exit polls…how many people listed Trump’s perceived ambivalence towards racists as a reason not to vote for him? (ambivalence he displayed over and over)

The blob did get the INCEL vote...

He got 99.9% of the racist vote. He wasn’t going to trade that for a minuscule increase in the black vote…he HAD to play footsie with the racists that supported him.

Trump lost because of COVID, period. If he had responded more effectively to the pandemic, he would’ve been reelected.

You people are delusional. White Racists have been completely marginalized since the mid 60s. Which is why you people are so focused on fighting them.

Trump would love to have more of the minority vote. Hell, it has been a common point of discussion that without being able to do that, republicans are doomed as a national party.


Your lie here, is part of a larger lie, that republicans are wacist, so that you people can keep your lock on the minority votes.


You are lying assholes like that.

He wasn’t willing to condemn racists because they supported him. We all know it.

All Republicans are not racist. Most racists VOTE Republican. That is nobody’s fault but Republicans.

He repeatedly and clearly condemned ws.

Your denial is you being a liar.


That you lie, shows that you fear that if the voters knew the Truth, they would vote against you.

Only after public pressure. Each and every time he was first asked to condemn someone or some thing having to do with white supremacy he equivocated. When public pressure over his equivocation would mount, then he would come out with a prepared statement. (Prepared by someone else)

if you can't be honest about this, "and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists"

what are the odds you can be trusted to tell the truth about "only after public pressure" or " he equivocated"?


Rhetorical question. You are a horrific liar. Your words, your judgements, have no weight.

I posted links, cultist.

You people lied as a group and stuck and are sticking to your lies, even when the actual transcripts are repeatedly shoved in your face.


NOTHING YOU SAY, about any situation with any ambiguity has any credibility.

No, that is not strong enough,

Anything you say, in any situation with ANY ambiguity, has ANTI-CREDIBILITY.

I absolutely adore how reporting exactly what Trump said is “lying” about him. Would you like more links about Trump’s tacit approval of racists? Okay!

Analysis: Why won't Donald Trump condemn white nationalism?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Why doesn't President Donald Trump just unequivocally condemn white supremacists? It's a jarring question to ask about an American president.

apnews.com

The president was silent when journalists asked whether he rejected the support of nationalist groups.

That silence was cheered by the white supremacist website Daily Stormer: “When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”

What does it tell you when the racists believe he supports them?

You are perpetuating a lie. Go get yourself a treat, and get off the internet. Thanks.

Nope, just reporting on what the former President said and did. Whether or not Trump actually is racist we may never know. There is plenty of evidence to support the theory that he is, but the racists believe he is. What does that say?

You will never "know" because you can interpret "not them" as "them", in your search for "evidence" to support your self serving conclusions.

Oh, I think we could know. Like if the Apprentice tapes get released.

It is a fact that the racists believe that Trump is one of them. What does that tell you?

No, you are too warped to tell the difference between, "not them" and "them". THe problem is not Trump but your fucked up thinking.

You're lying again, lying dumbfuck. Trump never said, "not them."

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."


You, are retarded.

So? We've already established it's the Proud Boys and neo-Confederates he thinks are "very fine people"

You are just lying more. Your words have anti-credibility.

Nope, the one lying is you -- falsely claiming Trump said things he never actually said.

He said "not the w.s." and you are insisting that he said, "the w.s.", because you are a lying whore.

Now you're lying again saying I denied he condemned white supremacists even though I acknowledged he said that.

If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like that.

BUT, you pretend that "w.s." is, I don't know, some sort of formal group name, and then you claim that that meant that he, since he did not list all possible groups or labels of ws. he meant that some other w.s. were "very fine people".


ANd now that I call you on your retarded bullshit, you fade back, and pretend that, of course you weren't saying THAT.


Standard libtard two step.

FUCK YOUR BULLSHIT YOU FILTHY LIAR.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

As many times as you're gonna claim Trump was too retarded to know that was a racist rally, organized by racists, sponsored by racists, promoted by racists, hosted by racists and attended by racists.

Got it. You think that someone would have to be retarded to not agree with you.

Nope, you don't "got it." I don't think that. There are many people who disagree with me here who I don't consider retarded.

That does not change the fact that you people lied and are still lying about what he said.

Nope, the liar is you. Most notably, I'm going by what he actually said. You're going by what you think he actually meant.

That means that the voters were voting, making their choice based on FALSE INFORMATION.

Nope, you're lying again as the information wasn't false. There was a racist rally which led to a confrontation to counter the racists. Racism is evil. Fighting it is noble. Trump equated the two sides and idiotically claimed there were "very fine people on both sides."

Fraud by deception. THe election is thus, not legitimate.

Nope, you're just crazy.

Trump clearly condemned w.s. You are inventing confusion where there is none. To stonewall in defense of your big lie.


Trump: " -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

After how many days and a barrage of public pressure?I

Trump denounces white supremacists after coming under fire over Charlottesville

Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike

www.cbsnews.com

His remarks occurred after the president came under fire for the way he handled Charlottesville two days ago. Mr. Trump on Saturday condemned hatred "on many sides," which prompted backlash from both Democrats and Republicans alike.​

After zero days. The riot occurred sat morning, to lunch time, Saturday. Expanded quote. I was not trying to trick you.


Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence.



See, here we will see that your complaints are bullshit. You made a point that he waited days to condemn the riot. I just proved that that was not true. Now you will ignore this new information and hold to your position, without any adjustment.


Because, your position is based, at best on blind faith, and at worst on knowingly lying in the fact of clear proof.

He waited days to condemn the perpetrators of the violence. He just can't bring himself to say bad things about his supporters no matter how heinous they are. (Without intense public pressure)

Later the same day. FROM THE QUOTE YOU REFERENCED.

I was not trying to trick you into that gotcha, You did that to yourself.

Days later, when he was more sure of the details, he got more specific.

The ws are a pathetic fringe in this society. Who have not had a voice in national politics since the early 60s.


Trump's supporters are working class and middle class whites, mostly. That you want to smear them as ws, is you being a racist asshole.

Man, you got it bad...it's kind of sickening to watch. We watched him do it again and again...

From Debate Stage, Trump Declines To Denounce White Supremacy

Asked to disavow white supremacists, President Trump addressed the Proud Boys directly, telling them to "stand back and stand by." He did not expand on what he meant.

www.npr.org

Report: Donald Trump won’t condemn support of David Duke, white supremacists: ‘I don’t know anything about him’

Update, 1:30 p.m., Feb. 28, 2016After his interview with CNN, Donald Trump tweeted that he disavows former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke’s support.“As I stated at the press

www.theadvocate.com

Also disgusting that you would downplay a serious threat to our national security.

U.S. report warns of threats from white supremacists, militias

U.S. spy agencies warned on Wednesday of an ongoing threat that racially motivated violent extremists, such as white supremacists, will carry out mass-casualty attacks on civilians while militia groups target police and government personnel and buildings.

www.reuters.com

Cool. You found people that agree with you.


What Trump really says about ws.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

Trump: "Those people -- all of those people – excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis.

Trump: ...the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally.

Trump: ...rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

So it's the Proud Boys and neo-Confederates who are "very fine people."

Thanks for clearing that up.

You are stonewalling. You have been stone cold busted as a liar.


The election was not legitimate because of your lies. YOu stonewalling will not change that.

Nope, Trump never condemned them. That must be who he was talking about since there were no "very fine people" among the Unite the Right racists.

Trump was clear that he was referring to non ws who supported the historical statues.

Your belief that everyone that was there was a ws, is fine.

The bit were you LIE and say he said something he did not say, is you lying.


That you pretend to not understand this, is another lie.

I'm going by what he said and didn't say. He didn't condemn the Proud Boys or the neo-Confederates. He said there were "very fine people on both sides." Now we know who he was talking about on the right. Thanks again for clearing that up.

And you could tell he was being very careful what he said and didn't say. Because what he really wanted to say would frighten you.

...

So, which is it? DId he SAY it or did he "didn't say it", but you know he meant it?

YOU PEOPLE DID NOT SAY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING NOW.


YOU LIED AND SAID THAT HE SAID, "WS ARE VERY FINE PEOPLE".

That is not what he said.


You BELIEVE, that that is what he meant, But when you tell people that he said, what you THINK he meant, that is you LYING.

He said it, but then didn't say it soon enough. And he said something different the day before and after. Or he didn't say anything, which sometimes is saying something.

In the Greek community we have a saying. My silence is your answer

But that is not what you people have said, nor is it your standard position on this issue.

Your position is a lie, ie that he said something he did not say.


That you look at what he said, and deep down, you just "know" that he meant something else, does not give you the right to tell other people that he actually said what you THINK he meant.


AND, it is worth remembering that you are an extremely partisan and ideological lefty, who is probably not a fair judge of what your enemies are thinking.

It's not a lie, dumbfuck. There were 2 sides. One side was a bunch of racists who went to rally in an attempt to unite various factions of racists. Trump said some of them were "very fine people."

Trump: Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee."

Reporter: "Should that statue be taken down?"

Trump: "Excuse me. If you take a look at some of the groups, and you see -- and you’d know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases you’re not -- but many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

I don't know how many times we need to go over this ... but ... he didn't condemn the Proud Boys and he didn't condemn the neo-Confederates. So now we know who he thinks are "very fine people."

The Proud Boys weren't even there, and he was clear about condemning ws.


White Supremacist is not a group, it is a category of groups and people. That you focus on him not individually naming one small group of them,

is you grasping at straws.


It is pathetic and weak. Be a man. Admit that you have been stone cold busted as lying.

Members of the Proud Boys organization were there. Are you saying that the group is not responsible for the actions of individual members within that group? Do you apply the same standard to BLM?

Very few members, against the express direction of the group's leadership.

Your need to pretend that your enemies are w.s. if you being afraid of Truth.

Funny how you just blew right past the BLM reference. BLM has also condemned violence and the rioters at their protests and yet you want to associate those rioters to BLM.

I've found that liberals are very dishonest and if presented with multiple points, will ignore teh one that hurts them them most and respond to other points.


I've discussed blm at great length on this site. It is retarded to pretend that I am afraid to address ANYTHING about them.

Oh look, another dodge. Are the people that riot and do violence part of BLM despite BLM condemning the violence and rioting and telling people to protest peacefully, yes or no?

As I have stated before, imo, blm has a long record of calling for "protests" that "just happen" to turn violent.

So, yes, BLM is responsible for the violence in their name, for a number of reasons, that do NOT apply to the Proud Boys in this example.

You act like I couldn’t have guessed your answer. I knew you would be a raging fucking hypocrite. You really didn’t have to prove it.

Probably because it is obvious. You don't believe BLM either. And you know that the Proud Boys did order their members to not attend and they did kick out the one guy that did.

So, yeah, it would be easy to guess my answer.

You're lying again, lying dumbfuck. There were more Proud Boys there besides Kessler. Kessler was thrown out because he organized the event. But He didn't go alone.

Proud Boys descended into dysfunction after US Capitol riot, new messages show
Proud Boys descended into dysfunction after US Capitol riot, new messages show

The discussion, right now, is focused on the Charlottesville Riot, which the Proud Boys were not part of, and has nothing to do with.

That you bring up another incident, more than three years later, makes no sense.

Just pointing out how violent they are...unlike BLM who advocate peaceful protest and condemn rioters.

Only a fool would believe that BLM truly advocates "peaceful protests" and is serious when it condemns rioters.

Ah…so they say it but don’t mean it. The Proud Boys don’t say it but of course they mean it, right? Do you even take yourself seriously?

We see the same behavior in this very thread. You lefties are insanely dishonest liars. We on the other side, are not.


Dude. Get a grip. You are the bad guys. You are lying whores, spreading hate and division.

That this is consistent across teh board with different groups of lefties, is not surprising.

"We on the other side, are not."

LOLOLOL

That's another lie. The truth is-- you just can't stop lying.

Faun. The way you lie, the way you stone wall, the way you are constantly and always a troll asshole,


you know you are the bad guy(s).


We on the other hand, the other side, opposite you libtards, we deserve some consideration of our words and opinions as likely being stated in good faith.


Because we have not demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we are filthy lying whores, that have anti-credibility.

LOL

Says the liar who falsely claimed Trump said, "not them."

Falsely claimed I denied Trump condemned white supremacists.

Falsely claimed he's the one being truthful.

I see you got it moved to COnspiracy Theory, which is nonsense.

That was your goal which is why you kept trying to divert this thread, which was about voter fraud, to be about Trump calling racists "very fine people."

Congrats, diversion successful.

And now some more word games, trying to confuse w.s. with wacist, just so you can continue to try to gin up some confusion, when Trump was super clear.


You are an asshole. And a liar.

Nope, you're lying claiming Trump said things he never said.

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

"and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

Yes, you've clarified when he said there were "very fine people" among the Unite the Right crowd, he was speaking of Proud Boys and neo-Confederates.

Except I did not say that. That was your dishonest spin.

You are just lying more, to distract from and defend the BIG LIE, per the op.

YOu are nothing but a filthy lying whore.

It's not my problem you don't know what you're saying. That rally was comprised of white nationalists, white supremacists, KKK, neo-Nazis, neo-Confederate and Proud Boys. You pointed out he condemned the white supremacists, KKK and neo-Nazis and called the others "very fine people."

Do you understand that Trump and I do not believe that the rally was solely comprised of those people?

You race baiting asshole.

It was a stupid thing for Trump to say. Sure, of the hundreds of ws at the rally I'm sure there were a couple very fine people but can you name any?

No, I think any white who went to that rally is a racist or ignorant fuck who is worried about a statue of Robert E Lee? If they aren't aware that they are racists themselves then they are ignorant to the racism that blacks have to deal with in America.

Do you understand that I and Trump disagree with you on that?

 

[Faun]

Were all these white racists Democrats? Republicans keep saying it was them who ended slavery but today it seems like they are the KKKlanmen of yesterday.

They try to deny it but the parties have switched. The conservative south has always been the most racist region of the country. It still is. But back then, it was primarily Democrat. Now it's primarily Republican. But it's always been conservative.

Meanwhile, in the real world.

Chicago’s mayor refuses to give interviews to white reporters

Lori Lightfoot was only accepting one-on-one interviews from journalists who are people of color. A Latino reporter at the The Chicago Tribune then canceled a interview with the mayor.

nypost.com

LOL

Oh? What black reporters did Trump give 1-on-1 interviews to?

 

[Faun]

No, this is nothing to do with that. This is you bringing up a point about Trump's thinking, making a point based on your insight into his thinking, and then dismissing my response, because I am speculating about his thinking.

LOL

A Trump acolyte feels compelled to speculate about Trump's thinking because he can't deal with what Trump actually said.

You are a fucking asshole. Most of my post here have been on what TRump clearly and explicitly said.


Another poster made a point about something else, that Trump was supposedly thinking.


THat you took that comment out of context and pretended that it was in relation to Trump's speech, is you being a lying faggot.


That you realize that you have to use such dishonest tactics to defend your position, is your brain realizing that you are full of shit, on this issue.


And that you are a faggot.

LOLOLOL

I don't know what's funnier.... that you think anyone besides you cares what you think... or that you speak for Trump.

 

[Faun]

Do you understand that I and Trump disagree with you on that?

LOLOL

Dumbfuck, you don't speak for Trump. Trump speaks for Trump. And among a racist rally, Trump said there were "very fine people."