The Bible has the answer to poverty.

[Anathema]

Nearly 20 percent of your taxes goes to charity.

Which is exactly why I don’t give any on my own. The Government is already doing it for me.

 

[hadit]

Helping the needy is not bankrupting the nation. Helping the greedy is. So is overfunding the military and law enforcement.

And no one is saying that's the Biblically moral thing to do. We're talking about practical matters. Given that we DO overfund virtually everything the government does, is it moral and ethical to further stress the economy by passing out money to some who could provide for themselves, in the hopes that they will in turn vote for the politicians who made it happen?

 

[hadit]

And so, where does the other 80 percent go? You MAGATS argue about small numbers, but the problem is where the big numbers go. Too much money is spent on the military.

We should pull back within our own borders and watch the world burn?

 

[IM2]

And no one is saying that's the Biblically moral thing to do. We're talking about practical matters. Given that we DO overfund virtually everything the government does, is it moral and ethical to further stress the economy by passing out money to some who could provide for themselves, in the hopes that they will in turn vote for the politicians who made it happen?

We don't overfund everything. We underfund the most necessary things. We have long passed out money for those who have had way more money than they need for votes, yet when it comes to the poor, suddenly we are concerned about giving help to those who can provide for themselves. The conservative way of thinking is simply not the right way.

 

[hadit]

We don't overfund everything. We underfund the most necessary things. We have long passed out money for those who have had way more money than they need for votes,

What do you think virtually every democrat runs on, if not "free stuff! free stuff! the other guy has to pay for it!"? I have yet to see any running on a platform promising to make sure people who get help really need it.

yet when it comes to the poor, suddenly we are concerned about giving help to those who can provide for themselves.

Of course we are. Why would we take care of those who do not need help? That seems a little strange to me.

The conservative way of thinking is simply not the right way.

The conservative way of thinking is to make sure we help those who need help and get people working who can work instead of them taking valuable taxpayer dollars that would be better served to help someone who really can't work. Is that not simply the right way of thinking? How do you think, for example, do you privately rejoice every time we uncover fraud and abuse in welfare programs, happy that people are getting what they're not entitled to get?

So cut out corporate welfare, I don't think you'll have much conflict with conservatives over that. While you're at it, cut out government colluding with social media platforms over what speech to promote and what to squelch.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Yep, and I have been since I was 6 years old, 45 years ago. It wouldn’t help to lie about it, everyone who interacts with me can see it.

I like honesty. I think you are wrong on the nature of people. Some, or sure, but not all.
But your honesty over rides that.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Everyone wants to help the needy. Nobody wants to enable the lazy. And that's what the Democrats do with taxpayer money in exchange for votes. That's the part that needs to be understood. Democrats are not compassionate and not generous. They're after power and control only, and they will actively use and harm people in order to get it.

To paint all democrats, or someone who votes for a democrat, the same, is very simple minded and cannot handle the complexities of making a good decision on anything. The simple minded love Trump because he makes all the decisions for them.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Nearly 20 percent of your taxes goes to charity.

If they go to truly help the needy, I am fine with that.

 

[IM2]

We should pull back within our own borders and watch the world burn?

That won't happen if we reduce military spending. The world is burning because we are interfering in nearly every nation.

 

[Mashmont]

To paint all democrats, or someone who votes for a democrat, the same, is very simple minded and cannot handle the complexities of making a good decision on anything. The simple minded love Trump because he makes all the decisions for them.

Comical you're doing the exact same generalities about Trump voters.

But I don't think all Democrats are the same. You have the leader class which makes up the lies and manipulates the gullible underlings; and you have the gullible underlings who buy all the lies.

 

[Mashmont]

If they go to truly help the needy, I am fine with that.

But of course it never does. You have many layers of leftwing bureaucracy stealing most of it.

 

[ElmerMudd]

But of course it never does. You have many layers of leftwing bureaucracy stealing most of it.

You are very imbalanced in the reason we have inefficient bureaucracy. There is blame to go around. When you blame the other side for everything wrong there will be no solution. That is what extremists on both sides do.

 

[Anathema]

If they go to truly help the needy, I am fine with that.

I’m not, since I can’t find any constitutional basis for that spending.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Comical you're doing the exact same generalities about Trump voters.

But I don't think all Democrats are the same. You have the leader class which makes up the lies and manipulates the gullible underlings; and you have the gullible underlings who buy all the lies.

I do not paint all those who voted for Trump the same. The majority of Trump voters were not MAGA. They could not vote for Harris, they like some of what Trump is and some of what they do not.
I define MAGA who are loyal to Trump over country. They treat him as if can do no wrong.
I do paint those followers with the same brush. But I do not paint all Trump voters with the same brush.

 

[Mashmont]

You are very imbalanced in the reason we have inefficient bureaucracy. There is blame to go around. When you blame the other side for everything wrong there will be no solution. That is what extremists on both sides do.

The solution is to eliminate liberalism from government. That's the only way you clean this mess up. Democrat leaders are in office to pad their wallets and increase their power. Hard to find one who leaves office without a significantly greater net worth than upon entering.

 

[IM2]

What do you think virtually every democrat runs on, if not "free stuff! free stuff! the other guy has to pay for it!"? I have yet to see any running on a platform promising to make sure people who get help really need it.

That's what right wingers say about Democrats. That is not what Democrats run on. If we use your logic, then right wingers run on free stuff for the rich and the poor and the middle-class pays for it. You have seen democrats helping people who need it, and your talking heads condemn it all the time, because the right wing are a bunch of selfish people who expect the world to center them at all times. Everything you say here is based on right wing rhetoric, not facts.

Of course we are. Why would we take care of those who do not need help? That seems a little strange to me.

That's what the right does all the time. They take care of those who do not need help.

The conservative way of thinking is to make sure we help those who need help and get people working who can work instead of them taking valuable taxpayer dollars that would be better served to help someone who really can't work. Is that not simply the right way of thinking? How do you think, for example, do you privately rejoice every time we uncover fraud and abuse in welfare programs, happy that people are getting what they're not entitled to get?

So cut out corporate welfare, I don't think you'll have much conflict with conservatives over that. While you're at it, cut out government colluding with social media platforms over what speech to promote and what to squelch.

No, that's not the "conservative" way. You do not seem to aggressively go after fraud and abuse in military contracts or fraud and abuse related to corporate welfare. Your boy running DOGE gets billions of dollars of corporate welfare, but you guys cheered as he cut programs that were helping starving people. How about the government not colluding with social media platforms that spread racism, sexism, misogyny, and other forms of bigotry, as well as other forms of misinformation, and bring back the Fairness Doctrine? Because you right-wingers were all for the government banning books, curriculum topics, policies, or laws that you felt made whites feel uncomfortable.

 

[ElmerMudd]

The solution is to eliminate liberalism from government. That's the only way you clean this mess up. Democrat leaders are in office to pad their wallets and increase their power. Hard to find one who leaves office without a significantly greater net worth than upon entering.

You are describing fascism.
Characteristics of a fascist government

• Dictatorial leadership: A single, powerful leader holds absolute control, and the government is highly centralized.
• Authoritarian and total control: The government exercises total control over the lives of the people, allowing no dissent or opposition.
• Extreme nationalism: The ideology elevates the nation and often a specific race above the individual.
• Militarism: There is a strong emphasis on military power and, often, the expansion of territory through armed conflict.
• Suppression of opposition: Dissent is not tolerated and is forcibly suppressed through the police and military.
• Regimentation: Society and the economy are strongly controlled and regimented by the state.
• Rejection of democracy and liberalism: Fascism is fundamentally opposed to liberal democracies, individual rights, and political pluralism.

 

[hadit]

That's what right wingers say about Democrats. That is not what Democrats run on. If we use your logic, then right wingers run on free stuff for the rich and the poor and the middle-class pays for it. You have seen democrats helping people who need it, and your talking heads condemn it all the time, because the right wing are a bunch of selfish people who expect the world to center them at all times. Everything you say here is based on right wing rhetoric, not facts.

I do not see democrats helping people who need help, I see democrats inevitably and remorselessly pumping more and more people into programs designed to help the truly needy until they are bloated beyond recognition and ANY attempt to even TRY to bring accountability is met with total resistance.

That's what the right does all the time. They take care of those who do not need help.

Nonsense. That's a universal problem and the left does it as well. Why do you think Bernie all of a sudden became wealthy after castigating the rich so much? They had to shut him up, and the left loves them some corporate welfare. The most wealthy in this country are democrats, and the democrats are the party of the rich.

No, that's not the "conservative" way.

Yes, that's the conservative way. I am pretty conservative, therefore I know. You are very, very far from conservative so you do NOT know. That's how it works.

You do not seem to aggressively go after fraud and abuse in military contracts or fraud and abuse related to corporate welfare.

The democrat way is to not aggressively go after fraud and abuse in ANY government program and to fight tooth and nail against any attempt to do so. Note that the right went after fraud and abuse and the left fought them on it.

Your boy running DOGE gets billions of dollars of corporate welfare, but you guys cheered as he cut programs that were helping starving people.

And what were those cuts again? Post them here for analysis before getting your panties in a bunch over a headline. I maintain they cut what should not have been getting paid out, so show us the cuts.

How about the government not colluding with social media platforms that spread racism, sexism, misogyny, and other forms of bigotry, as well as other forms of misinformation, and bring back the Fairness Doctrine?

The (un)Fairness Doctrine only applied to over the air broadcasts, not to internet media. It's true though that it would be nice to see the big 3 forced to grant equal time to conservative voices that they routinely shut out now. The sour looks on their faces would be just adorable.

Because you right-wingers were all for the government banning books, curriculum topics, policies, or laws that you felt made whites feel uncomfortable.

No I wasn't. Show where I was or sit down in the back and shut up.

 

[Woodznutz]

Which is exactly why I don’t give any on my own. The Government is already doing it for me.

The government isn't very efficient at helping the poor.

 

[Woodznutz]

If they go to truly help the needy, I am fine with that.

Many government DEI hires are needy. They are found mostly working in the government welfare agencies.