The Benefits Of Socialism

[Edgetho]

yea thats right. Socialism is a range of ideologies, but they all involve worker self-management. Quite ironic how we think of ourselves as a democratic society when no democracy exists in the workplace.

Not a word was written about anybody having a democratic workplace at the founding of this Country.

That is beyond the purview of The State.

You want democracy in the workplace? You are a child.

You have the right to quit work whenever you want if you find it too burdensome for your tender sensibilities.

We fought our costliest War over that.

 

[Moonglow]

Countries? How about Boston? California. New york that dems kicked out 30,0000 jobs!!
All very rich and very poor. No middle class in dem run towns. Red stares is where you find a Vibrant middle-class

Red States is where you find America.

And, in case you missed it (snarc ) dimocrap scum really don't like America.

No funny intended. They really don't

Oklahoma is the real America

 

[Jitss617]

Countries? How about Boston? California. New york that dems kicked out 30,0000 jobs!!
All very rich and very poor. No middle class in dem run towns. Red stares is where you find a Vibrant middle-class

So, you are saying that Boston and California own and control the means of production and distribution?

I think that Apple, Chevron, Wells Fargo, Alphabet, Intel, Disney, and Hewlett Packard would all disagree with you.

Notice you only know names of major donors to the Democratic Party Lol oops

 

[Moonglow]

yea thats right. Socialism is a range of ideologies, but they all involve worker self-management. Quite ironic how we think of ourselves as a democratic society when no democracy exists in the workplace.

Not a word was written about anybody having a democratic workplace at the founding of this Country.

That is beyond the purview of The State.

You want democracy in the workplace? You are a child.

You have the right to quit work whenever you want if you find it too burdensome for your tender sensibilities.

We fought our costliest War over that.

What war was fought over quitting a job?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

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[Harpy Eagle]

Countries? How about Boston? California. New york that dems kicked out 30,0000 jobs!!
All very rich and very poor. No middle class in dem run towns. Red stares is where you find a Vibrant middle-class

So, you are saying that Boston and California own and control the means of production and distribution?

I think that Apple, Chevron, Wells Fargo, Alphabet, Intel, Disney, and Hewlett Packard would all disagree with you.

Notice you only know names of major donors to the Democratic Party Lol oops

And they are the top PRIVATE companies in Cali. They are not owned by the state nor controlled by the state. If anything it is the other way around.

 

[Edgetho]

Better yet, look to Western Social Democracies and not nations which claim to be people's republicans which are in effect despotic and totalitarian.

One obscure author is one data point. Nation's such as Russia and China have become crony capitalistic systems and ours under Republicans control has become more plutocratic than democratic. We the People are not valued by the callous conservative set which goes by the misnomer Freedom Caucus and the rhetoric and behavior of Trump.

This is why I hate this place.

They allow ******* IDIOTS like you to offer STUPID ******* OPINIONS without ANY example(s) to back it up.

All you do is talk out of your ******* ass with some BULLSHIT ******* underclassman garbage and run away like you've made some kind of point.

Back up your lying mouth with some concrete examples or go back to the circle jerk at DailyKooks where you belong

 

[Rustic]

Let's defend socialism, shall we??
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Could you define socialism for us?

It seems the best way to start such a discussion.

Easy, Misery for millions that want nothing to do with it, but The progressives want to force it on everybody

 

[Jitss617]

Countries? How about Boston? California. New york that dems kicked out 30,0000 jobs!!
All very rich and very poor. No middle class in dem run towns. Red stares is where you find a Vibrant middle-class

So, you are saying that Boston and California own and control the means of production and distribution?

I think that Apple, Chevron, Wells Fargo, Alphabet, Intel, Disney, and Hewlett Packard would all disagree with you.

Notice you only know names of major donors to the Democratic Party Lol oops

And they are the top PRIVATE companies in Cali. They are not owned by the state nor controlled by the state. If anything it is the other way around.

Yes the RICH can bye pass all codes with money.. the middle class business owner cannot. It’s my California is rich and poor. No middle.. it’s control of production. Let the avg guy open a manufacturing in a old building that doesn’t meet the codes the state asks. Let real ingenuity Flourish

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Let's defend socialism, shall we??
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Could you define socialism for us?

It seems the best way to start such a discussion.

Easy, Misery for millions that want nothing to do with it

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Countries? How about Boston? California. New york that dems kicked out 30,0000 jobs!!
All very rich and very poor. No middle class in dem run towns. Red stares is where you find a Vibrant middle-class

So, you are saying that Boston and California own and control the means of production and distribution?

I think that Apple, Chevron, Wells Fargo, Alphabet, Intel, Disney, and Hewlett Packard would all disagree with you.

Notice you only know names of major donors to the Democratic Party Lol oops

And they are the top PRIVATE companies in Cali. They are not owned by the state nor controlled by the state. If anything it is the other way around.

Yes the RICH can bye pass all codes with money.. the middle class business owner cannot. It’s my California is rich and poor. No middle.. it’s control of production. Let the avg guy open a manufacturing in a old building that doesn’t meet the codes the state asks. Let real ingenuity Flourish

 

[Jitss617]

Countries? How about Boston? California. New york that dems kicked out 30,0000 jobs!!
All very rich and very poor. No middle class in dem run towns. Red stares is where you find a Vibrant middle-class

So, you are saying that Boston and California own and control the means of production and distribution?

I think that Apple, Chevron, Wells Fargo, Alphabet, Intel, Disney, and Hewlett Packard would all disagree with you.

Notice you only know names of major donors to the Democratic Party Lol oops

And they are the top PRIVATE companies in Cali. They are not owned by the state nor controlled by the state. If anything it is the other way around.

Yes the RICH can bye pass all codes with money.. the middle class business owner cannot. It’s my California is rich and poor. No middle.. it’s control of production. Let the avg guy open a manufacturing in a old building that doesn’t meet the codes the state asks. Let real ingenuity Flourish

Why not allow the avg joe with drive and passion compete?

 

[Rustic]

Let's defend socialism, shall we??
.

Could you define socialism for us?

It seems the best way to start such a discussion.

Easy, Misery for millions that want nothing to do with it

 

[dblack]

Let's defend socialism, shall we??
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Could you define socialism for us?

It seems the best way to start such a discussion.

Actually, the shell game with the definition is a standard derailment technique - designed to avoid discussion.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So, you are saying that Boston and California own and control the means of production and distribution?

I think that Apple, Chevron, Wells Fargo, Alphabet, Intel, Disney, and Hewlett Packard would all disagree with you.

Notice you only know names of major donors to the Democratic Party Lol oops

And they are the top PRIVATE companies in Cali. They are not owned by the state nor controlled by the state. If anything it is the other way around.

Yes the RICH can bye pass all codes with money.. the middle class business owner cannot. It’s my California is rich and poor. No middle.. it’s control of production. Let the avg guy open a manufacturing in a old building that doesn’t meet the codes the state asks. Let real ingenuity Flourish

Why not allow the avg joe with drive and passion compete?

Pretty much all those companies I listed were started by average joes with a passion to compete. They did not come into existence as huge as they are.

 

[Wry Catcher]

yea thats right. Socialism is a range of ideologies, but they all involve worker self-management. Quite ironic how we think of ourselves as a democratic society when no democracy exists in the workplace.

Not a word was written about anybody having a democratic workplace at the founding of this Country.

That is beyond the purview of The State.

You want democracy in the workplace? You are a child.

You have the right to quit work whenever you want if you find it too burdensome for your tender sensibilities.

We fought our costliest War over that.

For someone who claims to have written two books, it seems you missed the History of Labor in America. It is so sad that people on the right are anti intellectual and mock higher education where survey courses are few, and specific courses provide the detail in economic history, labor history and diplomatic history. Sad that you missed these three and Poli Sci too.

 

[dblack]

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[Rustic]

yea thats right. Socialism is a range of ideologies, but they all involve worker self-management. Quite ironic how we think of ourselves as a democratic society when no democracy exists in the workplace.

Not a word was written about anybody having a democratic workplace at the founding of this Country.

That is beyond the purview of The State.

You want democracy in the workplace? You are a child.

You have the right to quit work whenever you want if you find it too burdensome for your tender sensibilities.

We fought our costliest War over that.

For someone who claims to have written two books, it seems you missed the History of Labor in America. It is so sad that people on the right are anti intellectual and mock higher education where survey courses are few, and specific courses provide the detail in economic history, labor history and diplomatic history. Sad that you missed these three and Poli Sci too.

Socialism can be defined by one word... control

 

[Jitss617]

Notice you only know names of major donors to the Democratic Party Lol oops

And they are the top PRIVATE companies in Cali. They are not owned by the state nor controlled by the state. If anything it is the other way around.

Yes the RICH can bye pass all codes with money.. the middle class business owner cannot. It’s my California is rich and poor. No middle.. it’s control of production. Let the avg guy open a manufacturing in a old building that doesn’t meet the codes the state asks. Let real ingenuity Flourish

Why not allow the avg joe with drive and passion compete?

Pretty much all those companies I listed were started by average joes with a passion to compete. They did not come into existence as huge as they are.

Yea years ago lol when democrats were forced to be American lol

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Let's defend socialism, shall we??
.

Could you define socialism for us?

It seems the best way to start such a discussion.

Actually, the shell game with the definition is a standard derailment technique - designed to avoid discussion.

With this topic that is not accurate. Take for instance this thread, the OP gave a definition and then 2 post later ignored his own definition to label Cali and Boston as socialist even though there is no government ownership of the means of production or distribution.

how can you discuss something that has a definition that changes with every post?