The arrogance of Israel

[Darkwind]

They have no right to defend themselves any more than the Third Reich had a right to defend itself after murdering millions. It's a ridiculous argument, utterly foolish, why is it that the Trump MAGA cult members are so often the least equipped to discuss these matters.

Were you raised to hate Jews, Adolph, or were you tortured by Nazi's into thinking the Jews don't have a right to exist?

 

[Darkwind]

Kamala has suggested that the Zionist regime should accept that it got revenge with Sinwar's assassination.

This could be why the regime is hesitating?

And Iran is happy to leave it at that.

Many Americans are of the opinion that that isn't enough.

As per usual, Harris doesn't understand what is going on.

This is not about revenge. It is about security. A lasting security, which dictates that every Hamas individual dies, every Hezbollah fighter is killed or driven from Lebenon, and that the ability of Iran to finance terrorism is ended.

Permanently.

 

[rosends]

Sure why do you think Israelis have been genociding for so many decades? The existence of people on the land they want offends them.

ignoring the attempt to turn the noun into a verb, I would say that Israel hasn't been "genociding" and the population numbers pretty much prove that.

 

[rosends]

Well you pointed out "with the few Jews who agree with your position" thus drawing attaching significance to the number of Jews. My position is that a popular belief isn't necessarily right, nor an unpopular belief necessarily wrong.

But no matter, I'm always happy to explain your own posts to you should you get confused again.

Your position is that a popular belief isn't necessarily right. Sure, and an unpopular one isn't necessarily wrong. And, of course, the inverse is true. But what I was saying was that you are claiming confederacy with "Jews" but in fact, you aren't. Your connection is only with the few Jews who agree with your position so misrepresenting that as anything more is dishonest. If you need help seeing more of your errors, just let me know.

It is nice to know, though, that you understand that an unpopular belief isn't necessarily wrong so the next time anyone tries to point out the large number of nations which are criticizing Israel, I will send that person to you so you can explain that just because the anti-Israel position is popular doesn't make it right.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Were you raised to hate Jews, Adolph, or were you tortured by Nazi's into thinking the Jews don't have a right to exist?

Were you raised to hate Arabs, Benji, or were you tortured by Zionists into thinking the Arabs don't have a right to exist?

 

[Augustine_]

I would say that Israel hasn't been "genociding"

Yeah all the people who were ethnically cleansed by Israel land from the land they annexed to form Israel were just figments of our imagination

 

[rosends]

Yeah all the people who were ethnically cleansed by Israel land from the land they annexed to form Israel were just figments of our imagination

What ethnicity was cleansed? Was it Arabs? Because 20% of Israeli population is Arab. So what ethnicity did you have in mind?

 

[Augustine_]

What ethnicity was cleansed? Was it Arabs? Because 20% of Israeli population is Arab. So what ethnicity did you have in mind?

What percentage was it before a bunch of Westerners spent over 100 years doing things like forcing populations from their homes and declaring that Arabs have no right to self-determination?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Your position is that a popular belief isn't necessarily right. Sure, and an unpopular one isn't necessarily wrong. And, of course, the inverse is true. But what I was saying was that you are claiming confederacy with "Jews" but in fact, you aren't.

Are you referring to my remark "I stand with Jews not Israelis"? I'll assume so. I express it that way to emphasize that Israel and its institutions and society are not really representative of historic Jewish culture. As you know Zionism (and I mean early ideas about a homeland rather than the rabid nationalism it represents today) was largely anathema to the majority of Jews in the diaspora, it was never a popular concept until after the Holocaust and after Israel declared its independence.

Whereas today the majority of Jews perceive "Zionism" as a reasonable and respectable ideology, this is because most Jews alive today have been raised in a post-Israel world and one in which criticisms of Zionism are discouraged and largely dismissed as self delusional (if the critic happens to be a Jew) or antisemitic (if the critic happens to not be a Jew).



Zionism has in a sense been imposed upon the Jews in Palestine and later Israel by a minority of extremist nationalists in pursuit of a "greater Israel" dream and the majority of Jews simply went along some refused and felt the heavy hand of Zionist terrorism.

So I perceive Jews as (largely, historically) having no tradition of a devotion to nationalism and the nationalism we see today I perceive as not really a Jewish phenomenon but a European one, alien to traditional Jewish thought.

So my remark tries to convey my distinction between historic Jewish ideas and European nationalism that's now been mutated into a Jewish ultra-nationalism, I stand with the former and not the latter.

Your connection is only with the few Jews who agree with your position so misrepresenting that as anything more is dishonest. If you need help seeing more of your errors, just let me know.

I haven't sought numbers so cannot comment on them, but I trust what I say above clarifies what I mean.

It is nice to know, though, that you understand that an unpopular belief isn't necessarily wrong so the next time anyone tries to point out the large number of nations which are criticizing Israel, I will send that person to you so you can explain that just because the anti-Israel position is popular doesn't make it right.

It seems we agree one cannot infer the moral right or wrong of an ideology based solely on popularity, I think we're on the same page insofar as that goes.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

What ethnicity was cleansed?

I'd answer that as "not Jewish".

Was it Arabs? Because 20% of Israeli population is Arab. So what ethnicity did you have in mind?

Right but no Jews were forcibly displaced by Israel were they? only non-Jews so it was a racially discriminatory undertaking which should be beyond obvious to you.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I don't agree with the late Hitchens on many things but I do agree with him here:

The idea of building a state of Jewish farmers on Arab land in the Middle East, was a stupid idea to begin with.

 

[Darkwind]

Were you raised to hate Arabs, Benji, or were you tortured by Zionists into thinking the Arabs don't have a right to exist?

I was raised to hate idiots and liars.

Islamic worshipers are both.

I also have no use for ***** who defend the likes of Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, or a people who refuse to compromise.

Like you.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Here's the Haaretz articles about this Israeli human shields disgrace:



Darkwind - I await your defense of this...

This kind of stuff is everywhere, even the Israeli press FFS yet the committed Zionists here press on with their deranged and unconditional fanatical support for barbarity, why they trust the likes of Nazinyahu is truly a mystery to me, what could possibly explain this in otherwise ordinary human beings...

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I was raised to hate idiots and liars.

Islamic worshipers are both.

I also have no use for ***** who defend the likes of Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, or a people who refuse to compromise.

Like you.

I bet your parents never knew you'd grow up to support racial supremacy after them going out of their way to educate you about the dangers of idiots and liars, sad.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If I break into your house while you are away, then kick out your wife and children and take control of the property, then you and your family and neighbors surround "my" house and attack me in "my new home", would you seriously characterize that as me "being surrounded by enemies"? imply that I am the victim?

The house belonged to the Ottoman Empire.
Now it belongs to Israel.

 

[Darkwind]

I bet your parents never knew you'd grow up to support racial supremacy after them going out of their way to educate you about the dangers of idiots and liars, sad.

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My parents were very diverse oriented. But they problem you would have with them is that they didn't hate jews to the point of gassing them in ovens.

You seem to present that appetite.

 

[rosends]

What percentage was it before a bunch of Westerners spent over 100 years doing things like forcing populations from their homes and declaring that Arabs have no right to self-determination?

So, no answer. Thanks.

 

[rosends]

I'd answer that as "not Jewish".

Right but no Jews were forcibly displaced by Israel were they? only non-Jews so it was a racially discriminatory undertaking which should be beyond obvious to you.

Judaism isn't a race, so how can non-Judaism be a race?

 

[lafayette]

The Hamas and Hezbollah defenders in America should be held liable for defamation.

The fines can be distributed to the hostages and or their survivors.