The Architects of Our Present Disaster

Weatherman2020

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All good points and true.

It didn’t have to be this way. I am reminded of a quote from Condoleezza Rice about the morning of 9/11. She knew that U.S. forces going to DEFCON-3 would trigger a similar escalation by Russia so she called President Putin and told him our military would be going on high alert. He told her that he knew and that he had ordered his forces to stand down. Then he asked if there was anything he could do to help. Rice recounted that she had a moment of reflection: “The Cold War really is over.” But the choices made in the aftermath of that day by people like her unleashed a destructive zeitgeist in Washington foreign policy that has led us to this point where the specter of nuclear war now hangs in the air as it did during the tensest moments of the Cold War. […]

Throughout Vladimir Putin’s political career he has watched as American foreign policy has run amuck in the world like a bull in a china shop. He has learned how our leaders operate and understands the treachery of which they are capable. Libya is a good example. Colonel Gaddafi had been cooperating with the United States. He shut down his nuclear program, gave up his weapons of mass destruction, and began opening his country and economy to the world. By 2008, U.S. military leaders were calling Libya a top U.S. ally in combating transnational terrorism. Gaddafi allowed an American embassy to open, and before the paint had even dried the diplomats and spooks posted there were already working on his overthrow. They worked with U.S. and transnational NGOs and foundations to train “pro-democracy” activists and seed an opposition movement.

When the Arab Spring dawned in 2011, violent protests broke out in Libya, spearheaded by radical groups covertly armed by the United States and its allies, and the government tried to quell the rebellion and restore order. The restoration of order was deemed heavy-handed by the United States and NATO and thus the pretext for intervention was established. NATO began intervention by establishing a no-fly zone over Libya, which quickly turned into a bombing and cruise missile campaign against military installations and civilian infrastructure.

Gaddafi’s reward for cooperating with the American government was to be sodomized with a bayonet on the way to his mob execution. Rather than expressing regret or even responding with a modicum of discretion, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton crowed, “We came, we saw, he died.” Vice President Joe Biden echoed her sentiments, “Whether he’s alive or dead, he’s gone. The people of Libya have gotten rid of a dictator. NATO got it right.” In the wake of Gaddafi’s murder, Libya devolved into utter anarchy with slave markets where you could buy a human being for $40 and a civil war that lasted until 2020. The country became a seedbed of terrorists. Gaddafi’s regime had stood between Italy and Subsaharan Africa. With him out of the picture, Italy and the rest of the EU quickly became overrun with illegal immigrants.

The message the Libya episode sent to governments around the world was clear: You can do everything the Americans ask but there is still an excellent chance that they will put a knife in your back. It became painfully obvious that American foreign policy had become completely divorced from any rational aims. From that point on, Putin began actively working against American interventionism, most notably in Syria with his support for the government of President Assad in its fight against rebels and terrorist groups like ISIS, many of whom were trained and armed by the U.S. government. As Russia drifted further from the West, the U.S. government’s antagonism towards Russia further increased. The next target for a color revolution would be Ukraine.
 
Condoleezza Rice could call Putin because she speaks Russian as fluent as a native. I miss her,
 
Too many members of this message board seem to support Putin. How any human being would ever support Putin, an autocrat who kept power by murder of other Russians, and the horror of his killing of civilians and in particular children and infants in Ukraine is beyond despicable.
The 1980’s called, they want their foreign policy back.
 
Too many members of this message board seem to support Putin. How any human being would ever support Putin, an autocrat who kept power by murder of other Russians, and the horror of his killing of civilians and in particular children and infants in Ukraine is beyond despicable.
How many children did Obama kill in Libya and Syria?
 
How many children did Obama kill in Libya and Syria?
You tell me. You claim President Obama killed Children in Libya and Syria, prove it. Posting a stupid question when you don't know the answer is typical of partisan hacks.

Some day you might post a thread or a post that suggests you are nothing more than a scum bag hater. I don't know what's wrong with you, but there is nothing right with you.
 
You tell me. You claim President Obama killed Children in Libya and Syria, prove it. Posting a stupid question when you don't know the answer is typical of partisan hacks.

Some day you might post a thread or a post that suggests you are nothing more than a scum bag hater. I don't know what's wrong with you, but there is nothing right with you.
 
All good points and true.

It didn’t have to be this way. I am reminded of a quote from Condoleezza Rice about the morning of 9/11. She knew that U.S. forces going to DEFCON-3 would trigger a similar escalation by Russia so she called President Putin and told him our military would be going on high alert. He told her that he knew and that he had ordered his forces to stand down. Then he asked if there was anything he could do to help. Rice recounted that she had a moment of reflection: “The Cold War really is over.” But the choices made in the aftermath of that day by people like her unleashed a destructive zeitgeist in Washington foreign policy that has led us to this point where the specter of nuclear war now hangs in the air as it did during the tensest moments of the Cold War. […]

Throughout Vladimir Putin’s political career he has watched as American foreign policy has run amuck in the world like a bull in a china shop. He has learned how our leaders operate and understands the treachery of which they are capable. Libya is a good example. Colonel Gaddafi had been cooperating with the United States. He shut down his nuclear program, gave up his weapons of mass destruction, and began opening his country and economy to the world. By 2008, U.S. military leaders were calling Libya a top U.S. ally in combating transnational terrorism. Gaddafi allowed an American embassy to open, and before the paint had even dried the diplomats and spooks posted there were already working on his overthrow. They worked with U.S. and transnational NGOs and foundations to train “pro-democracy” activists and seed an opposition movement.

When the Arab Spring dawned in 2011, violent protests broke out in Libya, spearheaded by radical groups covertly armed by the United States and its allies, and the government tried to quell the rebellion and restore order. The restoration of order was deemed heavy-handed by the United States and NATO and thus the pretext for intervention was established. NATO began intervention by establishing a no-fly zone over Libya, which quickly turned into a bombing and cruise missile campaign against military installations and civilian infrastructure.

Gaddafi’s reward for cooperating with the American government was to be sodomized with a bayonet on the way to his mob execution. Rather than expressing regret or even responding with a modicum of discretion, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton crowed, “We came, we saw, he died.” Vice President Joe Biden echoed her sentiments, “Whether he’s alive or dead, he’s gone. The people of Libya have gotten rid of a dictator. NATO got it right.” In the wake of Gaddafi’s murder, Libya devolved into utter anarchy with slave markets where you could buy a human being for $40 and a civil war that lasted until 2020. The country became a seedbed of terrorists. Gaddafi’s regime had stood between Italy and Subsaharan Africa. With him out of the picture, Italy and the rest of the EU quickly became overrun with illegal immigrants.

The message the Libya episode sent to governments around the world was clear: You can do everything the Americans ask but there is still an excellent chance that they will put a knife in your back. It became painfully obvious that American foreign policy had become completely divorced from any rational aims. From that point on, Putin began actively working against American interventionism, most notably in Syria with his support for the government of President Assad in its fight against rebels and terrorist groups like ISIS, many of whom were trained and armed by the U.S. government. As Russia drifted further from the West, the U.S. government’s antagonism towards Russia further increased. The next target for a color revolution would be Ukraine.
Pure propaganda by some clot who knows nothing about Gaddafi.
 
Tell us about Gaddafi then. Outside of his surrendering of all WMD’s and cooperation with the international community.
Gaddafi was uneducated,pompous and always threatening some Arab leader over an imaginary slight. The tribes hated him for 40 years. The US had nothing to do with it. Short of a huge occupation force we couldn't keep Gaddafi in power.
 
Wow, another "Russia is awesome and the US sucks" thread from our resident Putin fan boy.

It must be a day that ends in Y.
 
The purpose of our military is to kill people and destroy things. Now it's woke and climate change agenda
Bush's homeland security was to keep us safe from our enemies. Now it's used to spy on americans
The fbi was supposed to protect us from crime and criminals. Now it's used to meet the political ends of the democrat party even if they have to encourage criminal acts themselves.
the cia was to inform us of what foriegn hostiles were doing to destroy americans. And right when we needed it the most they were trumping up fake charges on the president so they could impeach him on false charges with planted evidence.

I don't see any reversal coming anytime soon. Just a matter of years and Putin will be eating at sizzler.
 
Too many members of this message board seem to support Putin. How any human being would ever support Putin, an autocrat who kept power by murder of other Russians, and the horror of his killing of civilians and in particular children and infants in Ukraine is beyond despicable.
These are people who long for an aggressive, pugilistic, hyper-nationalist strongman to rule America. Literally. They let it slip once in a while. One of them told me yesterday that their guy should be made King.

For now, Putin is the closest thing. Orban is second. And, predictably, we're seeing how these people react to them.
 
February 6 2017
President Donald Trump appeared to equate US actions with the authoritarian regime of Russian President Vladimir Putin in an interview released Saturday, saying, “There are a lot of killers. You think our country’s so innocent?”

Trump made the remark during an interview with Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly, saying he respected his Russian counterpart.

“But he’s a killer,” O’Reilly said to Trump.

“There are a lot of killers. You think our country’s so innocent?” Trump replied.
 
February 6 2017
President Donald Trump appeared to equate US actions with the authoritarian regime of Russian President Vladimir Putin in an interview released Saturday, saying, “There are a lot of killers. You think our country’s so innocent?”

Trump made the remark during an interview with Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly, saying he respected his Russian counterpart.

“But he’s a killer,” O’Reilly said to Trump.

“There are a lot of killers. You think our country’s so innocent?” Trump replied.
And people claim to wonder why Putin waited to invade.

:rolleyes:
 
That is because Trump basically worships the man. Putin is whom Trump imagines himself as.
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February 6 2017
President Donald Trump appeared to equate US actions with the authoritarian regime of Russian President Vladimir Putin in an interview released Saturday, saying, “There are a lot of killers. You think our country’s so innocent?”

Trump made the remark during an interview with Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly, saying he respected his Russian counterpart.

“But he’s a killer,” O’Reilly said to Trump.

“There are a lot of killers. You think our country’s so innocent?” Trump replied.
Tell us more about government police going around and beating up and murdering innocents.
 

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