The ACLU Is Anything But American

[Harry Dresden]

they will refuse to see that the ACLU will defend ANYONE if their case involves defending the constitution.

who is they?.....and if what your saying is true.....how come they never seem to defend the 2nd Amendment?....could it be because they dont agree with it?....

 

[bodecea]

they will refuse to see that the ACLU will defend ANYONE if their case involves defending the constitution.

who is they?.....and if what your saying is true.....how come they never seem to defend the 2nd Amendment?....could it be because they dont agree with it?....

You go to the NRA for the 2nd Amendment...the ACLU is for the 1st Amendment. I don't know why I have to keep repeating it.

 

[manifold]

they will refuse to see that the ACLU will defend ANYONE if their case involves defending the constitution.

who is they?.....and if what your saying is true.....how come they never seem to defend the 2nd Amendment?....could it be because they dont agree with it?....

You go to the NRA for the 2nd Amendment...the ACLU is for the 1st Amendment. I don't know why I have to keep repeating it.

That's exactly why my NRA bumper sticker is right beside my ACLU bumper sticker.

The only two lobby organizations worth sending your money to.

 

[bodecea]

who is they?.....and if what your saying is true.....how come they never seem to defend the 2nd Amendment?....could it be because they dont agree with it?....

You go to the NRA for the 2nd Amendment...the ACLU is for the 1st Amendment. I don't know why I have to keep repeating it.

That's exactly why my NRA bumper sticker is right beside my ACLU bumper sticker.

The only two lobby organizations worth sending your money to.

Both good organizations, IMO.

 

[mudwhistle]

Perez Hilton is the Government? Perez Hilton represents the Government?

The claim was "EVERYBODY", not the government.

And the first Amendment isn't just about government. It's about basic freedoms. Freedoms our forefathers left their countries to come here and enjoy, not to have to deal with the SOS they dealt with back there.

read a book

I did.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It prevents Congress from infringing on our basic freedoms to assemble, to redress grievances, and worship any way we choose. In other words it keeps government in check.

Pretty clear cut.

Maybe you should read a book..

 

[mudwhistle]

who is they?.....and if what your saying is true.....how come they never seem to defend the 2nd Amendment?....could it be because they dont agree with it?....

You go to the NRA for the 2nd Amendment...the ACLU is for the 1st Amendment. I don't know why I have to keep repeating it.

That's exactly why my NRA bumper sticker is right beside my ACLU bumper sticker.

The only two lobby organizations worth sending your money to.

This allows you to be for and against something at the same time....kind of like John Kerry.

The ACLU started out as the National Civil Liberties Bureau which focused on conscientious objectors and had known Communists in their ranks.....which don't believe in the right to bare arms.

You might as well put a PLO flag sticker next to an Israeli flag sticker on your bumper.

Course this explains your confused nature pretty well.

 

[manifold]

And the first Amendment isn't just about government.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It prevents Congress from infringing on our basic freedoms to assemble, to redress grievances, and worship any way we choose. In other words it keeps government in check.

Is Congress not just about government too?

 

[manifold]

You go to the NRA for the 2nd Amendment...the ACLU is for the 1st Amendment. I don't know why I have to keep repeating it.

That's exactly why my NRA bumper sticker is right beside my ACLU bumper sticker.

The only two lobby organizations worth sending your money to.

This allows you to be for and against something at the same time....kind of like John Kerry.

Yes. I'm for individual liberty and against government infringement upon it.

The fact that you see that as contradictory further demonstrates what an idiot you are.

But whatcha gonna do?

 

[bodecea]

You go to the NRA for the 2nd Amendment...the ACLU is for the 1st Amendment. I don't know why I have to keep repeating it.

That's exactly why my NRA bumper sticker is right beside my ACLU bumper sticker.

The only two lobby organizations worth sending your money to.

This allows you to be for and against something at the same time....kind of like John Kerry.

The ACLU started out as the National Civil Liberties Bureau which focused on conscientious objectors and had known Communists in their ranks.....which don't believe in the right to bare arms.

I am anxious to hear you explain how a person FOR the 1st Amendment is AGAINST the 2nd Amendment....or how a person FOR the 2nd Amendment is AGAINST the 1st Amendment.

The Founders and I were FOR both.

And I like Bare arms too...as long as they aren't too scrawny or too hairy.

 

[bodecea]

That's exactly why my NRA bumper sticker is right beside my ACLU bumper sticker.

The only two lobby organizations worth sending your money to.

This allows you to be for and against something at the same time....kind of like John Kerry.

Yes. I'm for individual liberty and against government infringement upon it.

The fact that you see that as contradictory further demonstrates what an idiot you are.

But whatcha gonna do?

I think mudwhistle LIKES digging that hole of his.

 

[mudwhistle]

Top Ten Reasons To Stop the ACLU

#1. The ACLU fufills its agenda using your tax money.

If the ACLU wins a case against a school, a county courthouse, a city counsel, etc. guess who pays for it? You do.

Support and donate to organizations fighting them in Court. Here are the ones at the forefront.

ACLJ
Alliance Defense Fund
Thomas Moore Law Center

#2. The ACLU supports child porn distribution and child molesters like NAMBLA.

As legislative counsel for the ACLU in 1985, Barry Lynn told the U.S. Attorney General’s Commission on Pornography (of which Focus on the Family President Dr. James C. Dobson was a member) that child pornography was protected by the First Amendment. While production of child porn could be prevented by law, he argued, its distribution could not be.

There is no doubt the The ACLU are perverting the Constitution.

#3. The ACLU Defend the enemy.

They have a long history of this one. They defended the P.L.O. in 1985. They defended Quadafi in the 1980’s. And they continue today. They have told Gitmo detainees they have the right to remain silent, as in not talking to interrogators. One issue that really disturbs me is their refusal of funds from organizations such as the United Way that were concerned the money would be used to support terrorism.

In October of 2004, the ACLU turned down $1.15 million in funding from two of it’s most generous and loyal contributors, the Ford and Rockefeller foundations, saying new anti-terrorism restrictions demanded by the institutions make it unable to accept their funds.

#4. The ACLU Opposes National Security.

The ACLU have opposed almost every effort in the arena of national security. From the bird flu to bag searches, the ACLU have been against it. No matter what kind of search someone tries to do to protect people, the ACLU have proved they are against them across the board. Its kind of ironic that they don’t practice the principles they preach.

Take a walk into the NYCLU’s Manhattan headquarters – which it shares with other organizations – and you’ll find a sign warning visitors that all bags are subject to search.

#5. The ACLU is anti-Christian.

The list is endless on this one. Under the guise of “separation of Church and State”, the ACLU have made a name for theirself on being rabidly anti-Christian. This is one area where they are most hypocritical. They oppose tax exemptions for all churches, but fight for them for Wiccans. They are against Christianity in school, but oddly remain silent as our children are taught to be Muslims. Whether its baby Jesus, ten commandments, or tiny crosses on county seals, the ACLU will be there to secularize America, and rewrite our history.

#6. The ACLU advocate open borders.

Not only have the ACLU opposed the Minute Men, a group who are simply exercizing their freedom of speech, protesting and stepping up where the government is failing, but they have helped illegals cross the border.

#7. The ACLU are pro-death.

Not only is the ACLU Pro-abortion, it’s the ACLU’s top priority. It most definitely takes a backseat to free speech for the ACLU. As a matter of fact, the ACLU has fought against the free speech rights of those that oppose it. If its abortion or euthanasia, as long as its pro-death you can count on the ACLU to support it. The only exception to the ACLU’s pro-death stance, is if it is a convicted criminal; in this case they are against death.

#8. Their outright hatred of the Boyscouts.

They are currently doing everything in their power to hurt this organization. They attacked their free speech right to exclude gays, and are threatening schools, and fighting in court to get their charters shut down. The oppose the military supporting them, and will sue the pants off any school that attempts to charter them.

9. The ACLU does not believe in the Second Amendment.

ACLU POLICY “The ACLU agrees with the Supreme Court’s long-standing interpretation of the Second Amendment [as set forth in the 1939 case, U.S. v. Miller] that the individual’s right to bear arms applies only to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected. Therefore, there is no constitutional impediment to the regulation of firearms.”ACLU Policy #47

10. The ACLU was founded by Communist, with communist ideals, communist goals, and they continue to impose a Communist like agenda on America daily.

The founder of the ACLU, Roger Baldwin stated clearly…

"My chief aversion is the system of greed, private profit, privilege and violence which makes up the control of the world today, and which has brought it to the tragic crisis of unprecedented hunger and unemployment…Therefore, I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself…I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.”

Top Ten Reasons To Stop The ACLU : Stop The ACLU

Yes...let's stop an organization that fights for our First Amendment rights. I wonder why........

The bad outweighs the good. That's why.

 

[Harry Dresden]

That's for the NRA...on the flip side, the NRA never seems to defend the 1st Amendment.

the NRA is about Guns.....the ACLU is supposed to be about Civil Liberties.....which includes the 2nd Amendment..... so like i said....the ACLU does not defend the 2nd because it is against their agenda....

The NRA is about the 2nd Amendment. The ACLU is about the 1st Amendment....why would there be a duplication of effort?

the ACLU is about CIVIL LIBERTIES.....hence their name.....owning guns is a Liberty,is it not?.....their site that i looked at said they do not defend the second BECAUSE they dont agree with parts of it or all of it..........from one of their sites......


"The ACLU interprets the Second Amendment as a collective right. Therefore, we disagree with the Supreme Court’s decision in D.C. v. Heller. While the decision is a significant and historic reinterpretation of the right to keep and bear arms, the decision leaves many important questions unanswered that will have to be resolved in future litigation, including what regulations are permissible, and which weapons are embraced by the Second Amendment right that the Court has now recognized."

 

[mudwhistle]

That's exactly why my NRA bumper sticker is right beside my ACLU bumper sticker.

The only two lobby organizations worth sending your money to.

This allows you to be for and against something at the same time....kind of like John Kerry.

Yes. I'm for individual liberty and against government infringement upon it.

The fact that you see that as contradictory further demonstrates what an idiot you are.

But whatcha gonna do?

You're just confused.

The ACLU is for the 1st Amendment only when it suits them but have always been against the 2nd Amendment.

You figure it out.

 

[bodecea]

the NRA is about Guns.....the ACLU is supposed to be about Civil Liberties.....which includes the 2nd Amendment..... so like i said....the ACLU does not defend the 2nd because it is against their agenda....

The NRA is about the 2nd Amendment. The ACLU is about the 1st Amendment....why would there be a duplication of effort?

the ACLU is about CIVIL LIBERTIES.....hence their name.....owning guns is a Liberty,is it not?.....their site that i looked at said they do not defend the second BECAUSE they dont agree with parts of it or all of it..........from one of their sites......


"The ACLU interprets the Second Amendment as a collective right. Therefore, we disagree with the Supreme Court’s decision in D.C. v. Heller. While the decision is a significant and historic reinterpretation of the right to keep and bear arms, the decision leaves many important questions unanswered that will have to be resolved in future litigation, including what regulations are permissible, and which weapons are embraced by the Second Amendment right that the Court has now recognized."

Nice quote...where is it from?

 

[bodecea]

This allows you to be for and against something at the same time....kind of like John Kerry.

Yes. I'm for individual liberty and against government infringement upon it.

The fact that you see that as contradictory further demonstrates what an idiot you are.

But whatcha gonna do?

You're just confused.

The ACLU is for the 1st Amendment only when it suits them but have always been against the 2nd Amendment.
You figure it out.

You, of course, have the information to back that up, right?

 

[bodecea]

Top Ten Reasons To Stop the ACLU

#1. The ACLU fufills its agenda using your tax money.

If the ACLU wins a case against a school, a county courthouse, a city counsel, etc. guess who pays for it? You do.

Support and donate to organizations fighting them in Court. Here are the ones at the forefront.

ACLJ
Alliance Defense Fund
Thomas Moore Law Center

#2. The ACLU supports child porn distribution and child molesters like NAMBLA.

As legislative counsel for the ACLU in 1985, Barry Lynn told the U.S. Attorney General’s Commission on Pornography (of which Focus on the Family President Dr. James C. Dobson was a member) that child pornography was protected by the First Amendment. While production of child porn could be prevented by law, he argued, its distribution could not be.

There is no doubt the The ACLU are perverting the Constitution.

#3. The ACLU Defend the enemy.

They have a long history of this one. They defended the P.L.O. in 1985. They defended Quadafi in the 1980’s. And they continue today. They have told Gitmo detainees they have the right to remain silent, as in not talking to interrogators. One issue that really disturbs me is their refusal of funds from organizations such as the United Way that were concerned the money would be used to support terrorism.

In October of 2004, the ACLU turned down $1.15 million in funding from two of it’s most generous and loyal contributors, the Ford and Rockefeller foundations, saying new anti-terrorism restrictions demanded by the institutions make it unable to accept their funds.

#4. The ACLU Opposes National Security.

The ACLU have opposed almost every effort in the arena of national security. From the bird flu to bag searches, the ACLU have been against it. No matter what kind of search someone tries to do to protect people, the ACLU have proved they are against them across the board. Its kind of ironic that they don’t practice the principles they preach.

Take a walk into the NYCLU’s Manhattan headquarters – which it shares with other organizations – and you’ll find a sign warning visitors that all bags are subject to search.

#5. The ACLU is anti-Christian.

The list is endless on this one. Under the guise of “separation of Church and State”, the ACLU have made a name for theirself on being rabidly anti-Christian. This is one area where they are most hypocritical. They oppose tax exemptions for all churches, but fight for them for Wiccans. They are against Christianity in school, but oddly remain silent as our children are taught to be Muslims. Whether its baby Jesus, ten commandments, or tiny crosses on county seals, the ACLU will be there to secularize America, and rewrite our history.

#6. The ACLU advocate open borders.

Not only have the ACLU opposed the Minute Men, a group who are simply exercizing their freedom of speech, protesting and stepping up where the government is failing, but they have helped illegals cross the border.

#7. The ACLU are pro-death.

Not only is the ACLU Pro-abortion, it’s the ACLU’s top priority. It most definitely takes a backseat to free speech for the ACLU. As a matter of fact, the ACLU has fought against the free speech rights of those that oppose it. If its abortion or euthanasia, as long as its pro-death you can count on the ACLU to support it. The only exception to the ACLU’s pro-death stance, is if it is a convicted criminal; in this case they are against death.

#8. Their outright hatred of the Boyscouts.

They are currently doing everything in their power to hurt this organization. They attacked their free speech right to exclude gays, and are threatening schools, and fighting in court to get their charters shut down. The oppose the military supporting them, and will sue the pants off any school that attempts to charter them.

9. The ACLU does not believe in the Second Amendment.

ACLU POLICY “The ACLU agrees with the Supreme Court’s long-standing interpretation of the Second Amendment [as set forth in the 1939 case, U.S. v. Miller] that the individual’s right to bear arms applies only to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected. Therefore, there is no constitutional impediment to the regulation of firearms.”ACLU Policy #47

10. The ACLU was founded by Communist, with communist ideals, communist goals, and they continue to impose a Communist like agenda on America daily.

The founder of the ACLU, Roger Baldwin stated clearly…

"My chief aversion is the system of greed, private profit, privilege and violence which makes up the control of the world today, and which has brought it to the tragic crisis of unprecedented hunger and unemployment…Therefore, I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself…I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.”

Top Ten Reasons To Stop The ACLU : Stop The ACLU

Yes...let's stop an organization that fights for our First Amendment rights. I wonder why........

The bad outweighs the good. That's why.

"The bad" of defending our 1st amendment rights? Truely?

 

[mudwhistle]

And the first Amendment isn't just about government.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It prevents Congress from infringing on our basic freedoms to assemble, to redress grievances, and worship any way we choose. In other words it keeps government in check.

Is Congress not just about government too?

You can't take one word out of a sentence and isolate it from the rest of the sentence.

 

[mudwhistle]

the NRA is about Guns.....the ACLU is supposed to be about Civil Liberties.....which includes the 2nd Amendment..... so like i said....the ACLU does not defend the 2nd because it is against their agenda....

The NRA is about the 2nd Amendment. The ACLU is about the 1st Amendment....why would there be a duplication of effort?

the ACLU is about CIVIL LIBERTIES.....hence their name.....owning guns is a Liberty,is it not?.....their site that i looked at said they do not defend the second BECAUSE they dont agree with parts of it or all of it..........from one of their sites......


"The ACLU interprets the Second Amendment as a collective right. Therefore, we disagree with the Supreme Court’s decision in D.C. v. Heller. While the decision is a significant and historic reinterpretation of the right to keep and bear arms, the decision leaves many important questions unanswered that will have to be resolved in future litigation, including what regulations are permissible, and which weapons are embraced by the Second Amendment right that the Court has now recognized."

I suppose you think Progressives are for progress as well.

 

[manifold]

You're just confused.

^ This from the guy who says the 1st Amendment isn't just about government in one post and then after quoting the 1st Amendment in a subsequent post says it's about limiting government. Confusion thy name is mudmissile.

 

[bodecea]

And the first Amendment isn't just about government.

It prevents Congress from infringing on our basic freedoms to assemble, to redress grievances, and worship any way we choose. In other words it keeps government in check.

Is Congress not just about government too?

You can't take one word out of a sentence and isolate it from the rest of the sentence.

You can when the sentence says that it is Congress is the only entity mentioned. Here is the entire 1st amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Now...tell us who BESIDES Congress is not allowed to makes laws respecting the things listed. Look forward to your reply.