The 2nd Amendment Wins Again

[2aguy]

More and more States are recognizing their citizens right to self defense, this time NH. With any luck the trend will continue.

From the link:

Republican Gov. Chris Sununu has signed legislation removing the licensing requirement for carrying concealed firearms. A representative from the National Rifle Association says that makes New Hampshire the 12th state that doesn’t require a license or permit.

Now anyone who isn’t prohibited by state or federal law from possessing a gun can carry it concealed without a license. The previous law gave police chiefs and local officials the discretion to decide if someone was ‘‘suitable’’ to carry a gun concealed.

N.H. residents no longer need a license to carry concealed loaded guns - The Boston Globe

Regressives are now free to have another hissy fit.

The NRA wins again at the expense of American lives.

How is that exactly?

The NRA has been fighting for the 2nd amendment for a long time....in the 1990s there were 200 million guns in private hands and in 1997 there were 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense....in 2016 there are now 357-400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense.....and the gun murder rate went down 49% and the violent crime rate went down 75%.....looks like the NRA is helping to save lives.....

 

[2aguy]

You know, Executive Orders are supposed to be only for carrying out laws already passed by Congress (and signed by the Prez).

That would include the U.S. Constitution, which was passed and ratified long ago.

Since Donald Trump is interested in writing Executive Orders to do what the law already says, is there any reason he can't simply issue an EO declaring all so-called "gun control" laws are in violation of the 2nd amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and are now null and void?

Federal, state and local.

No.

Because an executive order can ONLY instruct the executive branch on how to apply or enforce laws.

He could order the FBI not to prosecute people for simple possession of a firearm, but can't do anything about California shitting all over the Constitution with their laws. Only the court can act on that. Which is WHY it was so important to elect Trump, so that he could appoint honest men like Judge Gorsuch.

Technically, the Constitution lays out the powers of the federal government. One of which is it's inability to infringe upon the right to bear arms. Therefore, the feds can't prohibit the right to bear arms.

It also states that all powers reside with the states unless specifically granted to the feds via the Constitution. Unfortunately, the SCOTUS has basically ignored this on multiple occasions. Abortion and marriage being 2 high profile cases.

DJT could order federal enforcement agencies to ignore federal gun restriction statutes and rules with no consequence. Does Congress have the right to strike down all gun control laws has never been tested. Typical SCOTUS rulings hold that fed law trumps state law.

That is why a Constitutionalist SCOTUS is so important. Washington is filled with egos and power hungry individuals. Without the check of an honestly objective court, the rights of all Americans are in peril.

That's why you'll see a national reciprocity law that requires States to recognize other State gun licenses coming very soon. Congress has held it till they had a president that would sign it.

Don't forget that Heller as written by Scalia is very States-Rights supportive, and therefore it would all depend on the composition of the SCOTUS when Federal legislation like this is brought before the High Court, as Calif. and NYS are most likely to do if it passes.

Even if the court is stacked with conservative justices, they still have to consider the Constitutionality.

Why? the four left wing nuts on the court do not.....and the left wing nuts on the 4th circuit didn't.....

 

[Marion Morrison]

No.

Because an executive order can ONLY instruct the executive branch on how to apply or enforce laws.

He could order the FBI not to prosecute people for simple possession of a firearm, but can't do anything about California shitting all over the Constitution with their laws. Only the court can act on that. Which is WHY it was so important to elect Trump, so that he could appoint honest men like Judge Gorsuch.

Technically, the Constitution lays out the powers of the federal government. One of which is it's inability to infringe upon the right to bear arms. Therefore, the feds can't prohibit the right to bear arms.

It also states that all powers reside with the states unless specifically granted to the feds via the Constitution. Unfortunately, the SCOTUS has basically ignored this on multiple occasions. Abortion and marriage being 2 high profile cases.

DJT could order federal enforcement agencies to ignore federal gun restriction statutes and rules with no consequence. Does Congress have the right to strike down all gun control laws has never been tested. Typical SCOTUS rulings hold that fed law trumps state law.

That is why a Constitutionalist SCOTUS is so important. Washington is filled with egos and power hungry individuals. Without the check of an honestly objective court, the rights of all Americans are in peril.

That's why you'll see a national reciprocity law that requires States to recognize other State gun licenses coming very soon. Congress has held it till they had a president that would sign it.

Don't forget that Heller as written by Scalia is very States-Rights supportive, and therefore it would all depend on the composition of the SCOTUS when Federal legislation like this is brought before the High Court, as Calif. and NYS are most likely to do if it passes.

Even if the court is stacked with conservative justices, they still have to consider the Constitutionality.

Why? the four left wing nuts on the court do not.....and the left wing nuts on the 4th circuit didn't.....

Because it's not about partisanship, it's about adhering to the Constitution.

 

[Timmy]

More and more States are recognizing their citizens right to self defense, this time NH. With any luck the trend will continue.

From the link:

Republican Gov. Chris Sununu has signed legislation removing the licensing requirement for carrying concealed firearms. A representative from the National Rifle Association says that makes New Hampshire the 12th state that doesn’t require a license or permit.

Now anyone who isn’t prohibited by state or federal law from possessing a gun can carry it concealed without a license. The previous law gave police chiefs and local officials the discretion to decide if someone was ‘‘suitable’’ to carry a gun concealed.

N.H. residents no longer need a license to carry concealed loaded guns - The Boston Globe

Regressives are now free to have another hissy fit.

The NRA wins again at the expense of American lives.

How is that exactly?

The NRA has been fighting for the 2nd amendment for a long time....in the 1990s there were 200 million guns in private hands and in 1997 there were 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense....in 2016 there are now 357-400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense.....and the gun murder rate went down 49% and the violent crime rate went down 75%.....looks like the NRA is helping to save lives.....

Thanks Obama !

 

[Skull Pilot]

No.

Because an executive order can ONLY instruct the executive branch on how to apply or enforce laws.

He could order the FBI not to prosecute people for simple possession of a firearm, but can't do anything about California shitting all over the Constitution with their laws. Only the court can act on that. Which is WHY it was so important to elect Trump, so that he could appoint honest men like Judge Gorsuch.

Technically, the Constitution lays out the powers of the federal government. One of which is it's inability to infringe upon the right to bear arms. Therefore, the feds can't prohibit the right to bear arms.

It also states that all powers reside with the states unless specifically granted to the feds via the Constitution. Unfortunately, the SCOTUS has basically ignored this on multiple occasions. Abortion and marriage being 2 high profile cases.

DJT could order federal enforcement agencies to ignore federal gun restriction statutes and rules with no consequence. Does Congress have the right to strike down all gun control laws has never been tested. Typical SCOTUS rulings hold that fed law trumps state law.

That is why a Constitutionalist SCOTUS is so important. Washington is filled with egos and power hungry individuals. Without the check of an honestly objective court, the rights of all Americans are in peril.

That's why you'll see a national reciprocity law that requires States to recognize other State gun licenses coming very soon. Congress has held it till they had a president that would sign it.

While Pupps personally supports such a law, if Pupps were a justice - Pupps would vote to strike it down. The Fed government doesn't have that right. It belongs to the states on a sovereign basis.

That would be another case of the fed usurping states rights. The Constitution is the law of the land and it clearly states that the federal government cannot infringe upon the right to bear arms and that such authority clearly resides with the sovereign states. As such, it resides with them on an individual basis.

Consequently, imposition of a federal law negating an individual sovereign state rights in that area is unconstitutional. This is how a Constitutionalist SCOTUS judge would rule.

How many states is your divers license good in?

What is the difference?

Driving is a privilege, not a Constitutional right. As such, competence to drive definition is solely a states right issue. Under the commerce clause to regulate interstate commerce the fed has exercised its authority to require reciprocity between the states. That is the legal doctrine under which it was done.

Such authority does not exist for a federal entity to exercise such authority regarding gun ownership or carrying of such arms. It is a right upon which the federal government is specifically constitutionally prohibited to engage in. It is a sovereign states right to dictate such laws within it's borders without federal influence or interference.

the states are not allowed to violate the constitution
prohibiting law abiding citizens from being able to bear arms violates the Second Amendment

 

[Timmy]

New Hampshire is like the ugly step-child of New England.

Unlike you that is just plain ugly.

Freedom and the Constitution rule. LLL's quake in the wake of Great American's protecting themselves.

How about the freedom to not be gunned down by some crazy criminal who got a gun out of a vending machine ?

Can you provide evidence of said vending machine?

Well you preach that there should be no gun control . So then you would be in favor of guns out of vending machines ! Anything less would mean some sort of gun control was in place .

 

[Timmy]

Technically, the Constitution lays out the powers of the federal government. One of which is it's inability to infringe upon the right to bear arms. Therefore, the feds can't prohibit the right to bear arms.

It also states that all powers reside with the states unless specifically granted to the feds via the Constitution. Unfortunately, the SCOTUS has basically ignored this on multiple occasions. Abortion and marriage being 2 high profile cases.

DJT could order federal enforcement agencies to ignore federal gun restriction statutes and rules with no consequence. Does Congress have the right to strike down all gun control laws has never been tested. Typical SCOTUS rulings hold that fed law trumps state law.

That is why a Constitutionalist SCOTUS is so important. Washington is filled with egos and power hungry individuals. Without the check of an honestly objective court, the rights of all Americans are in peril.

That's why you'll see a national reciprocity law that requires States to recognize other State gun licenses coming very soon. Congress has held it till they had a president that would sign it.

While Pupps personally supports such a law, if Pupps were a justice - Pupps would vote to strike it down. The Fed government doesn't have that right. It belongs to the states on a sovereign basis.

That would be another case of the fed usurping states rights. The Constitution is the law of the land and it clearly states that the federal government cannot infringe upon the right to bear arms and that such authority clearly resides with the sovereign states. As such, it resides with them on an individual basis.

Consequently, imposition of a federal law negating an individual sovereign state rights in that area is unconstitutional. This is how a Constitutionalist SCOTUS judge would rule.

How many states is your divers license good in?

What is the difference?

Driving is a privilege, not a Constitutional right. As such, competence to drive definition is solely a states right issue. Under the commerce clause to regulate interstate commerce the fed has exercised its authority to require reciprocity between the states. That is the legal doctrine under which it was done.

Such authority does not exist for a federal entity to exercise such authority regarding gun ownership or carrying of such arms. It is a right upon which the federal government is specifically constitutionally prohibited to engage in. It is a sovereign states right to dictate such laws within it's borders without federal influence or interference.

the states are not allowed to violate the constitution
prohibiting law abiding citizens from being able to bear arms violates the Second Amendment

Law abiding citizens are not being prohibited.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

More and more States are recognizing their citizens right to self defense, this time NH. With any luck the trend will continue.

From the link:

Republican Gov. Chris Sununu has signed legislation removing the licensing requirement for carrying concealed firearms. A representative from the National Rifle Association says that makes New Hampshire the 12th state that doesn’t require a license or permit.

Now anyone who isn’t prohibited by state or federal law from possessing a gun can carry it concealed without a license. The previous law gave police chiefs and local officials the discretion to decide if someone was ‘‘suitable’’ to carry a gun concealed.

N.H. residents no longer need a license to carry concealed loaded guns - The Boston Globe

Regressives are now free to have another hissy fit.

The NRA wins again at the expense of American lives.

How is that exactly?

The NRA has been fighting for the 2nd amendment for a long time....in the 1990s there were 200 million guns in private hands and in 1997 there were 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense....in 2016 there are now 357-400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense.....and the gun murder rate went down 49% and the violent crime rate went down 75%.....looks like the NRA is helping to save lives.....

Thanks Obama !

Ah yes, once again giving him credit for something he's never done.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Why? the four left wing nuts on the court do not.....and the left wing nuts on the 4th circuit didn't.....

Why would we want to conservatives to act like these scofflaw Marxists? The whole point of appointing conservative justices is so we have a court that obeys the Constitution.

Gorsuch will. I believe and hope that Ginsburg soon reaps her eternal rewards in the firey pits of hell, and that we have a solid 6 Justices who support our Constitution.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I would like to see equal gun laws nationwide, however I'm no lawyer or adept student of the Constitution.

 

[2aguy]

More and more States are recognizing their citizens right to self defense, this time NH. With any luck the trend will continue.

From the link:

Republican Gov. Chris Sununu has signed legislation removing the licensing requirement for carrying concealed firearms. A representative from the National Rifle Association says that makes New Hampshire the 12th state that doesn’t require a license or permit.

Now anyone who isn’t prohibited by state or federal law from possessing a gun can carry it concealed without a license. The previous law gave police chiefs and local officials the discretion to decide if someone was ‘‘suitable’’ to carry a gun concealed.

N.H. residents no longer need a license to carry concealed loaded guns - The Boston Globe

Regressives are now free to have another hissy fit.

The NRA wins again at the expense of American lives.

How is that exactly?

The NRA has been fighting for the 2nd amendment for a long time....in the 1990s there were 200 million guns in private hands and in 1997 there were 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense....in 2016 there are now 357-400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense.....and the gun murder rate went down 49% and the violent crime rate went down 75%.....looks like the NRA is helping to save lives.....

Thanks Obama !

Dipshit.....under obama...who has supported the attacks on the police...the gun murder rate started to go up again in 2016.......in all the major cities controlled by anti police democrats...luckily, we elected Trump, who actually supports the police...so the gun murder rate should go back down again......

 

[2aguy]

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Why? the four left wing nuts on the court do not.....and the left wing nuts on the 4th circuit didn't.....

Why would we want to conservatives to act like these scofflaw Marxists? The whole point of appointing conservative justices is so we have a court that obeys the Constitution.

Gorsuch will. I believe and hope that Ginsburg soon reaps her eternal rewards in the firey pits of hell, and that we have a solid 6 Justices who support our Constitution.

Sorry.....but the 4th created law and ignored Miller, and Heller....and their own prior rulings....so if we simply follow the conservative principal of following legal Precedent...their decision would stand, even though it violates the Constitution and all prior rulings.......

 

[Timmy]

More and more States are recognizing their citizens right to self defense, this time NH. With any luck the trend will continue.

From the link:

Republican Gov. Chris Sununu has signed legislation removing the licensing requirement for carrying concealed firearms. A representative from the National Rifle Association says that makes New Hampshire the 12th state that doesn’t require a license or permit.

Now anyone who isn’t prohibited by state or federal law from possessing a gun can carry it concealed without a license. The previous law gave police chiefs and local officials the discretion to decide if someone was ‘‘suitable’’ to carry a gun concealed.

N.H. residents no longer need a license to carry concealed loaded guns - The Boston Globe

Regressives are now free to have another hissy fit.

The NRA wins again at the expense of American lives.

How is that exactly?

The NRA has been fighting for the 2nd amendment for a long time....in the 1990s there were 200 million guns in private hands and in 1997 there were 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense....in 2016 there are now 357-400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense.....and the gun murder rate went down 49% and the violent crime rate went down 75%.....looks like the NRA is helping to save lives.....

Thanks Obama !

Dipshit.....under obama...who has supported the attacks on the police...the gun murder rate started to go up again in 2016.......in all the major cities controlled by anti police democrats...luckily, we elected Trump, who actually supports the police...so the gun murder rate should go back down again......

Hold on. You bragged about the rates going down. They went down under obama.

Now they didn't go down? That makes you a liar then.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

More and more States are recognizing their citizens right to self defense, this time NH. With any luck the trend will continue.

From the link:

Republican Gov. Chris Sununu has signed legislation removing the licensing requirement for carrying concealed firearms. A representative from the National Rifle Association says that makes New Hampshire the 12th state that doesn’t require a license or permit.

Now anyone who isn’t prohibited by state or federal law from possessing a gun can carry it concealed without a license. The previous law gave police chiefs and local officials the discretion to decide if someone was ‘‘suitable’’ to carry a gun concealed.

N.H. residents no longer need a license to carry concealed loaded guns - The Boston Globe

Regressives are now free to have another hissy fit.

I would be very surprised if the ultra Left states like California and New York ever do this too.

Sure I would like to see it. But I doubt it will ever happen in my lifetime.

Here is the problem with all this: Even if states are forced by court to allow citizens to carry firearms, that doesn't mean the laws have to back them up.

Here in my state, I would never hesitate to use deadly force if needed because our legislators wrote the laws that favor us--the armed victim. However even if I could use my license in NY or California, I would be very fearful because of how they view armed citizens.

For armed citizens to make a difference, laws have to be provided to support people who need guns to get out of a bad situation. If the laws (and prosecutors) are against you, you might as well leave the gun home.

 

[Skull Pilot]

That's why you'll see a national reciprocity law that requires States to recognize other State gun licenses coming very soon. Congress has held it till they had a president that would sign it.

While Pupps personally supports such a law, if Pupps were a justice - Pupps would vote to strike it down. The Fed government doesn't have that right. It belongs to the states on a sovereign basis.

That would be another case of the fed usurping states rights. The Constitution is the law of the land and it clearly states that the federal government cannot infringe upon the right to bear arms and that such authority clearly resides with the sovereign states. As such, it resides with them on an individual basis.

Consequently, imposition of a federal law negating an individual sovereign state rights in that area is unconstitutional. This is how a Constitutionalist SCOTUS judge would rule.

How many states is your divers license good in?

What is the difference?

Driving is a privilege, not a Constitutional right. As such, competence to drive definition is solely a states right issue. Under the commerce clause to regulate interstate commerce the fed has exercised its authority to require reciprocity between the states. That is the legal doctrine under which it was done.

Such authority does not exist for a federal entity to exercise such authority regarding gun ownership or carrying of such arms. It is a right upon which the federal government is specifically constitutionally prohibited to engage in. It is a sovereign states right to dictate such laws within it's borders without federal influence or interference.

the states are not allowed to violate the constitution
prohibiting law abiding citizens from being able to bear arms violates the Second Amendment

Law abiding citizens are not being prohibited.

do you know how hard it is in some states to get a concealed carry permit?

If you can legally buy a gun there is no reason why you cannot carry concealed no permit needed

 

[2aguy]

More and more States are recognizing their citizens right to self defense, this time NH. With any luck the trend will continue.

From the link:

Republican Gov. Chris Sununu has signed legislation removing the licensing requirement for carrying concealed firearms. A representative from the National Rifle Association says that makes New Hampshire the 12th state that doesn’t require a license or permit.

Now anyone who isn’t prohibited by state or federal law from possessing a gun can carry it concealed without a license. The previous law gave police chiefs and local officials the discretion to decide if someone was ‘‘suitable’’ to carry a gun concealed.

N.H. residents no longer need a license to carry concealed loaded guns - The Boston Globe

Regressives are now free to have another hissy fit.

The NRA wins again at the expense of American lives.

How is that exactly?

The NRA has been fighting for the 2nd amendment for a long time....in the 1990s there were 200 million guns in private hands and in 1997 there were 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense....in 2016 there are now 357-400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense.....and the gun murder rate went down 49% and the violent crime rate went down 75%.....looks like the NRA is helping to save lives.....

Thanks Obama !

Dipshit.....under obama...who has supported the attacks on the police...the gun murder rate started to go up again in 2016.......in all the major cities controlled by anti police democrats...luckily, we elected Trump, who actually supports the police...so the gun murder rate should go back down again......

Hold on. You bragged about the rates going down. They went down under obama.

Now they didn't go down? That makes you a liar then.

After 2015...going into 2016....after Ferguson and obama attacking the police they started going up...after 25 years of going down........25 years of gun murder rates going down, and in one year obama starts them going up again....

 

[Little-Acorn]

Correct, for strict-constructionist justices it will boil down to a duel between the 2nd Amendment and the 10th -- States' Rights.

Nonsense. The 2nd amendment has always applied to Federal, state, and local governments, since the day it was ratified.

The 1st amendment, in contrast, applied only to the Fed govt... because it explicitly said so in the amendment's text ("Congress shall make no law...."). This was later changed by the 14th amendment, as you mistakenly said about the 2nd.

But the 2nd never contained any such language specifying which govt it was restricting. And that meant it applied to ALL governments in the U.S.

Before you try to tell people what an amendment says, read what it says.

It's surprising how many people don't. Including some Supreme Court justices.

 

[Skull Pilot]

New Hampshire is like the ugly step-child of New England.

Unlike you that is just plain ugly.

Freedom and the Constitution rule. LLL's quake in the wake of Great American's protecting themselves.

How about the freedom to not be gunned down by some crazy criminal who got a gun out of a vending machine ?

Can you provide evidence of said vending machine?

Well you preach that there should be no gun control . So then you would be in favor of guns out of vending machines ! Anything less would mean some sort of gun control was in place .

show me one person here who thinks that convicted felons should be able to buy guns legally

 

[Uncensored2008]

Sorry.....but the 4th created law and ignored Miller, and Heller....and their own prior rulings....so if we simply follow the conservative principal of following legal Precedent...their decision would stand, even though it violates the Constitution and all prior rulings.......

As you said, the 4th violated precedent and the Constitution. A conservative court will use Heller as precedent and reverse the unconstitutional decision of the 4th.

This is exactly what we need to stop, courts ignoring codified law in favor of political agendas.

 

[yiostheoy]

More and more States are recognizing their citizens right to self defense, this time NH. With any luck the trend will continue.

From the link:

Republican Gov. Chris Sununu has signed legislation removing the licensing requirement for carrying concealed firearms. A representative from the National Rifle Association says that makes New Hampshire the 12th state that doesn’t require a license or permit.

Now anyone who isn’t prohibited by state or federal law from possessing a gun can carry it concealed without a license. The previous law gave police chiefs and local officials the discretion to decide if someone was ‘‘suitable’’ to carry a gun concealed.

N.H. residents no longer need a license to carry concealed loaded guns - The Boston Globe

Regressives are now free to have another hissy fit.

The NRA wins again at the expense of American lives.

How is that exactly?

The NRA has been fighting for the 2nd amendment for a long time....in the 1990s there were 200 million guns in private hands and in 1997 there were 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense....in 2016 there are now 357-400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense.....and the gun murder rate went down 49% and the violent crime rate went down 75%.....looks like the NRA is helping to save lives.....

Thanks Obama !

Dipshit.....under obama...who has supported the attacks on the police...the gun murder rate started to go up again in 2016.......in all the major cities controlled by anti police democrats...luckily, we elected Trump, who actually supports the police...so the gun murder rate should go back down again......

Hold on. You bragged about the rates going down. They went down under obama.

Now they didn't go down? That makes you a liar then.

How did you guys/gals get off-topic onto taxes and off of 2A ???