The 2015 Israeli legislative (Knesset) election thread

[theDoctorisIn]

Wow, it looks like Bibi's been playing some dirty politics. He's not making friends with Kahlon.

Likud forged recording of Kahlon support

 

[Phoenall]

So....how does building a coalition work - is it the winner who has to try to build it or can any of the groups try to form coalitions to build a majority?

An party can go for a coalition, but it helps if you have a lot of seats already. When two parties are close to the magic 50% then the bids become harder less concessions are give way, it is only when the numbers are low that more is given away

 

[Daniyel]

It looks to me like Netanyahu has the clear path to form a coalition once again. Thursday is judgement day, though. Let's not get too excited...

It's all going to come down to Kulanu. Both sides have a "clear path" if they get Kahlon.

He would go with the Likud since Yesh Atid - the second to claim for the 'financial agenda' - are those(basically Yair Lapid) caused Bibi to disassemble the Knesset in the first place and it is way more complicated for the left to assemble some sort of opposition which oppose itself (Ultra Orthodox Socialists that naturally would go with Bibi although they're considered Left wingers for instance) than it is for Bibi to assemble the 80% coalition there is.

 

[Lipush]

So....how does building a coalition work - is it the winner who has to try to build it or can any of the groups try to form coalitions to build a majority?

The leading parties try to assemble a coalition, but they can aso fail in doing so. That what happened with Tzipi Livni years ago. She won by voted, but couldn't assemble a coalition, so Bibi rose as PM with the Likud.

so this could go on for how long, weeks?

Until they reach any sort of agreement, or until the president does something if it gets out of hand.

It can take awhile.

 

[Coyote]

So....how does building a coalition work - is it the winner who has to try to build it or can any of the groups try to form coalitions to build a majority?

The leading parties try to assemble a coalition, but they can aso fail in doing so. That what happened with Tzipi Livni years ago. She won by voted, but couldn't assemble a coalition, so Bibi rose as PM with the Likud.

It is all down to what concessions the leading party is prepared to offer the lower ranked parties, and then on what the lower ranked parties will accept. We in the UK face a similar situation in May when we hold our national elections, already the major parties are playing footsy with the minor ones to garner support. Nothing is settled until the results are in and the numbers are worked out. Labour are talking with the SNP because the SNP look like taking all the votes in Scotland, then the SNP will push for independence before the end of the next parliament. The Tories are looking at a possible marriage of lib dems or UKIP as the next government. Too many fingers in the pie will not be good for anyone.

I can see the advantages and disadvantages. We essentially have two parties. There are other small parties but they rarely perform well outside of local or state elections. It's pretty much Dem or Pub and both parties have to try to appeal to both their base and a broader selection that they end up really not representing many of us imo.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I really doubt Netanyahu will gain Kahlon. Not after what he pulled...

 

[Lipush]

I really doubt Netanyahu will gain Kahlon. Not after what he pulled...

He still has the orthodox parties, And Bennet and Liberman.

 

[Penelope]

So....how does building a coalition work - is it the winner who has to try to build it or can any of the groups try to form coalitions to build a majority?

The leading parties try to assemble a coalition, but they can aso fail in doing so. That what happened with Tzipi Livni years ago. She won by voted, but couldn't assemble a coalition, so Bibi rose as PM with the Likud.

It is all down to what concessions the leading party is prepared to offer the lower ranked parties, and then on what the lower ranked parties will accept. We in the UK face a similar situation in May when we hold our national elections, already the major parties are playing footsy with the minor ones to garner support. Nothing is settled until the results are in and the numbers are worked out. Labour are talking with the SNP because the SNP look like taking all the votes in Scotland, then the SNP will push for independence before the end of the next parliament. The Tories are looking at a possible marriage of lib dems or UKIP as the next government. Too many fingers in the pie will not be good for anyone.

I can see the advantages and disadvantages. We essentially have two parties. There are other small parties but they rarely perform well outside of local or state elections. It's pretty much Dem or Pub and both parties have to try to appeal to both their base and a broader selection that they end up really not representing many of us imo.

I think we need to get rid of the electoral college and go by popular vote.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Interesting, I'm also reading that there may have been a "fictitious party" formed to harm the Yachad. I don't know how fraud works in Israel, but isn't an attempt to mislead voters illegal?

Fictitious Party Meant to Harm Yachad - Inside Israel - News - Arutz Sheva

 

[Lipush]

Interesting, I'm also reading that there may have been a "fictitious party" formed to harm the Yachad. I don't know how fraud works in Israel, but isn't an attempt to mislead voters illegal?

Fictitious Party Meant to Harm Yachad - Inside Israel - News - Arutz Sheva

Shas.

Nuff said.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Interesting, I'm also reading that there may have been a "fictitious party" formed to harm the Yachad. I don't know how fraud works in Israel, but isn't an attempt to mislead voters illegal?

Fictitious Party Meant to Harm Yachad - Inside Israel - News - Arutz Sheva

It's not "fraud" anywhere to use similar Hebrew characters as a mark. It is dirty politics, though.

 

[Daniyel]

I really doubt Netanyahu will gain Kahlon. Not after what he pulled...

He still has the orthodox parties, And Bennet and Liberman.

Not sure about Liberman but certainly the orthodox parties and Bennet, including - pay attention - MERETZ - this is what I would do in his place, there is also the Arab List that never denied the Likud and are dying to finally doing something productive, and this is also based on their list, Bibi would most likely to adept at least one left wing party and the one I think most would be Meretz, but we have to wait for the final count since this is all over the edge.

 

[aris2chat]

What would be inspirational would be basic civil and political rights for Palestinians.

That is a matter for the PA. Israeli arabs/palestinians have rights like everyone else, more than they have in the PA or G.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Interesting, I'm also reading that there may have been a "fictitious party" formed to harm the Yachad. I don't know how fraud works in Israel, but isn't an attempt to mislead voters illegal?

Fictitious Party Meant to Harm Yachad - Inside Israel - News - Arutz Sheva

More on that:

There were allegations that Yachad and BZhutan ballots were being hidden or destroyed in the Haredi and Arab sectors, with a side of violence. Holy smokes.

Haredi Arab Sectors Report Ballot Problems - Inside Israel - News - Arutz Sheva

 

[Osomir]

What would be inspirational would be basic civil and political rights for Palestinians.

That is a matter for the PA. Israeli arabs/palestinians have rights like everyone else, more than they have in the PA or G.

Except the PA is not sovereign and thus cannot provide those rights while under occupation. If Israel wasn't occupying the West Bank then you would have a valid point, until then though it is rather dishonest.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Not sure about Liberman

Liberman is refusing to take calls from either Herzog or Netanyahu, from reports.

 

[aris2chat]

It will be interesting to see if Likud act like grown-ups if they lose or U.S. Repubs and sit on their hands (block everything)?

It's democracy, whether they like it or not, if they lose, it's because the people said their word.

My only concern is that the Israeli people don't fall for any of that "Hope and Change" BS that America has been saddled with for 6 years.

Yeah, but it IS a time for a change.... we had Bibi for like...FOREVER.

Twice

 

[Osomir]

It will be interesting to see if Likud act like grown-ups if they lose or U.S. Repubs and sit on their hands (block everything)?

It's democracy, whether they like it or not, if they lose, it's because the people said their word.

My only concern is that the Israeli people don't fall for any of that "Hope and Change" BS that America has been saddled with for 6 years.

Yeah, but it IS a time for a change.... we had Bibi for like...FOREVER.

Twice

Three times.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Netanyahu has gained Bennett:

Bennett Netanyahu Agree to Cooperate - Inside Israel - News - Arutz Sheva

 

[Meathead]

Interesting - so who ever can finagle a majority through a coalition is the winner...must make for some strange bedmates at times.

Ah, the pearls of acute observation from a senior mod of a political forum.

Good Lord!

You have a problem?

Sometimes comments must be made on observations like these, and I quote Coyote, Interesting - so who ever can finagle a majority through a coalition is the winner...must make for some strange bedmates at times.

Now, this is from a senior mod on a political forum. I find it absurd even that asked.