The 2015 Israeli legislative (Knesset) election thread

[Meathead]

Ah, the pearls of acute observation from a senior mod of a political forum.

Good Lord!

You have a problem?

Sometimes comments must be made on observations like these, and I quote Coyote, Interesting - so who ever can finagle a majority through a coalition is the winner...must make for some strange bedmates at times.

Now, this is from a senior mod on a political forum. I find it absurd even that asked.

Why would anyone (mods included) be expected to be that well versed in every topic related to politics let alone international affairs? We all have our areas.

Because I would think coalition governments would not be beyond the realm of knowledge of most posters on any political forum. It shouldn't be a "romper room" for the rank-and-file, let alone mods and senior mods.

Nobody knows everything man. Lighten up there's nothing wrong with learning new things.

I suppose some accept dumbing down better than others and feel less soiled by association.

 

[BullKurtz]

Obama never did try to sabotage the election. Bibi doesn't not intimidate Pres. Obama. If Bibi wins its by the skin of his teeth. He should realize that, that half the people didn't want him.

Baloney.....try to learn something for a change...

The Congressional probe is looking into “funding” by OneVoice Movement – a Washington-based group that has received $350,000 in recent State Department grants, and until last November was headed by a veteran diplomat from the Clinton administrations.

A subsidiary of OneVoice is the Israel-based Victory 15 campaign, itself guided by top operatives of Obama’s White House runs, which seeks to “replace the government” of Israel.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

There's already a thread on the Knesset election. I suggest you guys read it, I think you might not understand what's actually going on.

Likud's "victory" is far from secure.

 

[1stRambo]

Yo, "Israel's Netanyahu declares victory in tight race"

My Way News - Israel s Netanyahu declares victory in tight race

"GTP"

 

[boedicca]

Bibi interfered in our politics with congressional help, our senators interfered with Iran, and you are bitching BHO is kicking you in the balls?

Nonsense. Bibi did what a responsible leader does: he acted to protect the national security of his country.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Threads Merged.

 

[Osomir]

You have a problem?

Sometimes comments must be made on observations like these, and I quote Coyote, Interesting - so who ever can finagle a majority through a coalition is the winner...must make for some strange bedmates at times.

Now, this is from a senior mod on a political forum. I find it absurd even that asked.

Why would anyone (mods included) be expected to be that well versed in every topic related to politics let alone international affairs? We all have our areas.

Because I would think coalition governments would not be beyond the realm of knowledge of most posters on any political forum. It shouldn't be a "romper room" for the rank-and-file, let alone mods and senior mods.

Nobody knows everything man. Lighten up there's nothing wrong with learning new things.

I suppose some accept dumbing down better than others and feel less soiled by association.

Not knowing something doesn't make someone dumb. There are plenty of subjects that you are not well versed in too. Including political and international affairs related ones.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Let's stay on topic, guys.

 

[Hossfly]

So....how does building a coalition work - is it the winner who has to try to build it or can any of the groups try to form coalitions to build a majority?

The leading parties try to assemble a coalition, but they can aso fail in doing so. That what happened with Tzipi Livni years ago. She won by voted, but couldn't assemble a coalition, so Bibi rose as PM with the Likud.

That sounds more fairer than our Electoral College.

 

[BullKurtz]

There's already a thread on the Knesset election. I suggest you guys read it, I think you might not understand what's actually going on.

Likud's "victory" is far from secure.

Thanks Doc...once again you show your true colors.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I'll repeat.

Stay on topic.

If you feel the need to rant about American knowledge of a Parliamentary system, start a thread on it.

 

[BullKurtz]

There's already a thread on the Knesset election. I suggest you guys read it, I think you might not understand what's actually going on.

Likud's "victory" is far from secure.

Burns your ass that Obozo couldn't unseat Bibi eh? Where is my OP?

 

[1stRambo]

Photo source.​

Israeli legislative election 2015 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

and, as reference:

Opinion polling for the Israeli legislative election 2015 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


The polls are open in Eretz Yisrael from 07:00-22:00, GMT +2. Like most of Europe, Israel is not yet on daylight savings time, so right now, Israel is 6 hours ahead of the East Coast of the USA, which means that the polls will close at 4 PM today, EDT. This is the 20th Knesset election in Israel's (modern) history. Almost 6,000,000 Israelis are eligible to vote and there are 10,000 polling stations throughout that small country. In 2013, almost 3.6 million votes were cast. Wait and see how many will be cast today. 15 different parties (called "lists") are on the ballot today.

The Jerusalem Post is reporting that turnout for today's election is expected to be massive:

Israel Elections Benjamin Netanyahu casts vote as massive turnout expected for 20th Knesset elections - Israel Elections - Jerusalem Post

Election day is a Holiday in Eretz Yisrael, and voting usually takes 15-20 minutes, tops, so Israelis go vote and then enjoy a nice day.

Here's a quality, sober write-up from the JP about what election day means to Israelis:

A grand celebration of Israeli democracy - Israel Elections - Jerusalem Post

When the polls close at 22:00, Israeli news is likely to start publishing preliminary results. Be very careful of interpreting prelims. There will still be votes to be counted. And in terms of a possibly very thin margin for one "list" or the other, the actual coalition-building that ensues may take some days.

The threshhold for any party to get into the Knesset is 3.25% of the total national vote. This means that the little parties have to hoof-it to get to 3.25%, otherwise, they fall out of the Knesset seat statistic.

Here three links about the electoral history of Eretz Yisrael:

Israeli Electoral History Jewish Virtual Library

Elections in Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

https://www.knesset.gov.il/description/eng/eng_mimshal_beh.htm

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As the returns are coming in, I will be posting them on this thread.

It would be nice to keep this thread clear of nasty partisan commentary and simply let the results be reported. Feel free to post enlightening commentary from all sides, as far as I am concerned, but plase, avoid the nastiness that can ensue. There will be plenty of time afterwards, on other threads, for people to be nasty. Regardless of your positions, witnessing Democracy in action, I believe, is good for all of us.


Coyote westwall AVG-JOE - I thought this thread might especially interest you three as Election Day in Israel progresses. And I am gone for most of the day....

Yo, its over, and the MAN BIBI WON!!!

"GTP"

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Daniyel Lipush

Is it just me or did the Yachad just hit 5 seats?

All of the exit polls I've seen have had them failing to meet the threshold.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

There's already a thread on the Knesset election. I suggest you guys read it, I think you might not understand what's actually going on.

Likud's "victory" is far from secure.

Burns your ass that Obozo couldn't unseat Bibi eh? Where is my OP?

The 2015 Israeli legislative (Knesset) election thread

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I am believing God that Bibi wins. I believe it is the will of God for him to be victorious today. In Jesus Name!

 

[TemplarKormac]

Daniyel Lipush

Is it just me or did the Yachad just hit 5 seats?

All of the exit polls I've seen have had them failing to meet the threshold.

Hmm, I think I got them confused with Yisrael Beytenu. They have 5 seats, and looks like a candidate to ally with the Likud.

 

[Statistikhengst]

All the usual USMB anti-Semites and the usual suspects in the "WHY DON'T YOU JUST DIE, ISRAEL?" crowd are salivating at the prospect that Obumbler may have succeeded in ousting Netanyahu.

Uhhhm, that's not what this thread is about. You realize that, right?

 

[aris2chat]

What would be inspirational would be basic civil and political rights for Palestinians.

That is a matter for the PA. Israeli arabs/palestinians have rights like everyone else, more than they have in the PA or G.

Except the PA is not sovereign and thus cannot provide those rights while under occupation. If Israel wasn't occupying the West Bank then you would have a valid point, until then though it is rather dishonest.

G and areas A and B were turned over to the the palestinians. It is not the responsibility of Israel to give rights to people that are not Israeli. They have their own pseudo government, though Abbas is trying to dissolve it. If the WB is given back to Israel, those who want to be "palestinian" and not Israeli might have to leave. Most of the palestinians in G would leave if they could. The hope of a truly united palestinian government seems to have failed. They can't be a welfare state dependent on the world for donations because they can't or won't meet the needs of a nation, develop a sustainable economy, etc. It might well be that they will have to accept an Israeli state and apply for citizenship, dropping any chance of the palestinian state. They become arab Israelis or find some other place to settle. Or is there is to be a state of some kind, it will be vastly different from what they wanted. Take what you are given or you get nothing.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Daniyel Lipush

Is it just me or did the Yachad just hit 5 seats?

All of the exit polls I've seen have had them failing to meet the threshold.

Hmm, I think I got them confused with Yisrael Beytenu. They have 5 seats, and looks like a candidate to ally with the Likud.

What does that mean?