The 100 Year War on Palestine

[Billo_Really]

In fact, it is

Nope! Sorry.

 

[irosie91]

Nope! Sorry.

YUP---not sorry

 

[irosie91]

Nope! Sorry.

feel free to POST'em up

 

[georgephillip]

Copying and pasting from wiki leaves you at a disadvantage. As usual, you are fact averse.


Cutting and pasting the same map when you're befuddled about the history of the area is really pretty silly. As we know from the official Ottoman records, the former majority landowners of the area called Pal'istan were in fact absentee landowners from Egypt, Syria and Lebanon.

From the official Ottoman land records:
Turkey transfers Ottoman land records to Palestinian Authority

Turkey transfers Ottoman land records to Palestinian Authority

The PA had requested the records to support Palestinian land claims prior to British takeover.

www.haaretz.com

Even before 1917, Jewish and Zionist institutions had purchased large tracts of land in Palestine from absentee landlords, who lived mainly in Syria and Lebanon. These landlords had previously leased their property to local farmers, but were happy to sell it for the right price, without giving a thought to their tenant farmers. Nevertheless, Palestinians view these sales as more legitimate than those that took place during the British occupation that began in 1917.

Under Ottoman rule, a substantial portion of the land in Palestine was registered as state land. Some of this land was later sold or transferred to pre-state Jewish institutions. Other portions belonged to the Muslim waqf (religious trust), and these, according to Islamic law, cannot be sold. However, there was no orderly registration process; ownership was determined primarily using records such as tax payments.

Palestinian vs Jewish Land Ownership Per District, 1945 - Palestine Remembered

"As of 1947, Jews in Palestine owned UNDER 7% of Palestine's lands, and after the 1948 war 80% of the Palestinian people were DISPOSSESSED of their homes, farms, and businesses.

"Scroll below for the UN & British Mandate sources that shows tabular break down of land ownership."

 

[irosie91]

Palestinian vs Jewish Land Ownership Per District, 1945 - Palestine Remembered

"As of 1947, Jews in Palestine owned UNDER 7% of Palestine's lands, and after the 1948 war 80% of the Palestinian people were DISPOSSESSED of their homes, farms, and businesses.

"Scroll below for the UN & British Mandate sources that shows tabular break down of land ownership."

Palestinian vs Jewish Land Ownership Per District, 1945 - Palestine Remembered

"As of 1947, Jews in Palestine owned UNDER 7% of Palestine's lands, and after the 1948 war 80% of the Palestinian people were DISPOSSESSED of their homes, farms, and businesses.

"Scroll below for the UN & British Mandate sources that shows tabular break down of land ownership."

Islamo-nazi propaganda ----based on two realities--
"squatters rights" as basis of arab 'ownership' ---
melding of land owned by christians and the
armenian church as "arab" Land owned by JNF--
was PURCHASED. -----illegal under shariah law
and even under CANON law. Long ago when I was
a child reading islamo nazi propaganda----I
that ARMENIAN meant "ARAB" Try using
non-aligned sources

 

[Hollie]

Palestinian vs Jewish Land Ownership Per District, 1945 - Palestine Remembered

"As of 1947, Jews in Palestine owned UNDER 7% of Palestine's lands, and after the 1948 war 80% of the Palestinian people were DISPOSSESSED of their homes, farms, and businesses.

"Scroll below for the UN & British Mandate sources that shows tabular break down of land ownership."

Thanks for copying and pasting from ''pal'istan remembered''. The map you cut and pasted is one typically used by madrassah attendees who aren't schooled in facts or critical thinking skills.

What pal'istan remembered and what you don't understand is precisely why I gave you the Ottoman lands records showing your error. Note that the map you cut and pasted identifies Arab ownership not pal'istanian.

As we know from the Ottoman land records:

Turkey transfers Ottoman land records to Palestinian Authority

The PA had requested the records to support Palestinian land claims prior to British takeover.

www.haaretz.com

Even before 1917, Jewish and Zionist institutions had purchased large tracts of land in Palestine from absentee landlords, who lived mainly in Syria and Lebanon. These landlords had previously leased their property to local farmers, but were happy to sell it for the right price, without giving a thought to their tenant farmers. Nevertheless, Palestinians view these sales as more legitimate than those that took place during the British occupation that began in 1917.

Did you look at the map you cut and pasted? Take a look. There is no identification of ''pal'istanian'' ownership.



Further, your copying and pasting of the slogan ''palestine's land" is fraudulent. As then, as it is now, pal'istan was a loosely defined geographic area. You have this odd notion of some ''Magical Kingdom of Pal'istan'', Where Dreans Come True. Did you know that in 1945 the only functioning government in the Magical Kingdom was the British mandate?


And, it is true that that pal'istanian squatters were forced off the land they occupied in 1948 but that was largely the result of the combined Arab Armies crossing the frontier to attack the nascent State of Israel. The Arab armies were ruthless in removing and pushing aside the Arab squattters who stood in their way.

 

[irosie91]

fellow cybies------there is a very important phrase
that muslims use incessantly ----to wit,
MUSLIM LAND

 

[Hollie]

fellow cybies------there is a very important phrase
that muslims use incessantly ----to wit,
MUSLIM LAND

That's an important point.

Within Arab-Moslem'ism there is the precept of waqf, that land conquerd or occupied by Islam is Islamic, forever, until the Day of Resurrection, as a part of the islamic ummah. This is the status of land called 'Palestine' in Islamic Sharia and it is similar to all lands conquered or occupied by Moslems.

The religious component of the Islamic rage directed at Israel derives from the islamic ideology of waqf. The humiliation inflicted on Arab armies in the wars of aggression initiated by the Arabs-Moslems beginning with the wars of 1947-48 that first established Israel as a nation-state upends 1,400 years of Islamic ideology. The Hamas Charter specifically states this:

The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988

Article Eleven:​

The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?

 

[Billo_Really]

feel free to POST'em up

I already have several times.

 

[irosie91]

I already have several times.

oh what for?

 

[Billo_Really]

oh what for?

A buck fifty!

 

[irosie91]

A buck fifty!

take it QUICK----the "information" is worthless

 

[irosie91]

A buck fifty!

the present day existence of Israel as a country is the result
of a project involving buying land in "Palestine" over the
past MORE THAN 200 years----not 100 years. It began at
the beginning of the 19th century

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

Only if the 9th century BCE predates the 12th century BCE:

https://www.history.com/topics/middle-east/palestine#:~:text=Palestine's%20Early%20Roots,-Scholars%20believe%20the&text=Throughout%20history%2C%20Palestine%20has%20been,ruled%20much%20of%20the%20region.

"The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1918, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel."

Imho, ancient history is less informative than 20th Century events which saw 700,000 non-Jews forced from their property in 1948 and denied the right of return while Jews from around the world were allowed to enter the Jewish state.

The earliest mention of the Land as Palestine (probably in reference to the Philistines, a non-Arabic, non-Semitic people from the Greek Isles who invaded the southern coast of the Land in the 2nd half of the 12th Century BCE) is by the Greek historian Herodotus in the 5th Century BCE.

In contrast, the earliest mention of Israel can be found in the 13th Century BCE Merneptah Stele, commissioned by the king of Egypt, where he mentions Israel. The lines in the stele that we're interested in reads as follow: "Israel is laid waste [and] his seed is not."

Obviously, the line was just boastfulness on Merneptah's part since we know from the 9th Century BCE archaeological finds, the Mesha and Tel Dan Stelae, that there was still an Israel around.

The Merneptah Stele is housed at the Egyptian Museum.

PS The History Channel link you provided is risible. Don't they air such nonsense as UFO & Big Foot sightings?

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

"The name given to the Mandate's territory was 'Palestine', in accordance with local Palestinian Arab and Ottoman usage[5][6][7][8] as well as European traditions.Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia

"The Mandate charter stipulated that Mandatory Palestine would have three official languages, namely English, Arabic and Hebrew."

Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia

When did the European imperialists' support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine morph into a Jewish state in Palestine?

Lebanese American Princeton professor, Philip Hitti (1886-1978), who testified before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in Jerusalem in 1946 stated that, "There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not." Of course, what Hitti meant was that there was no Palestine in Arab history, in which he is correct. Hitti was opposed to even using the word Palestine in maps because it was "associated in the mind of the average American, and perhaps the Englishman too, with the Jews."

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

According to the Three Oaths, you're not even supposed to have a homeland until God comes back down to earth.

You failed to answer the question. Again, where were the "Palestinians" when the Jewish People were defending their homeland from the Romans?

 

[irosie91]

too bad----had "PALESTINA" been an arab thing-----
arabs would be able to pronounce "P"

 

[georgephillip]

Thanks for copying and pasting from ''pal'istan remembered''. The map you cut and pasted is one typically used by madrassah attendees who aren't schooled in facts or critical thinking skills.

Your critical thinking skills rival Trump's.
Here's a chance for redemption:

What percentage of Palestinian land did Jews own in 1947?

 

[georgephillip]

Islamo-nazi propaganda ----based on two realities--
"squatters rights" as basis of arab 'ownership' ---
melding of land owned by christians and the
armenian church as "arab" Land owned by JNF--
was PURCHASED. -----illegal under shariah law
and even under CANON law. Long ago when I was
a child reading islamo nazi propaganda----I
that ARMENIAN meant "ARAB" Try using
non-aligned sources

Islamo-Nazi Armenians?
Really"
Palestinian vs Jewish Land Ownership Per District, 1945 - Palestine Remembered

Wasn't 1946 the same year your heroic Jewish terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, the headquarter of their British benefactors, killing 92 people?

 

[georgephillip]

ven before 1917, Jewish and Zionist institutions had purchased large tracts of land in Palestine from absentee landlords, who lived mainly in Syria and Lebanon. These landlords had previously leased their property to local farmers, but were happy to sell it for the right price, without giving a thought to their tenant farmers.

What do your critical thinking skills tell you about land ownership in 1917 Palestine with land ownership in 1947 Palestine?

Palestinian vs Jewish Land Ownership Per District, 1945 - Palestine Remembered