That time of year again for the AGW deniers

[Dot Com]

From the vid:

Every September and October (springtime in the Antarctic) a hole forms in the protective ozone layer over the South Pole.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Ug-NWat04]NOAA's South Pole Ozone Update Oct 1, 2012 - YouTube[/ame]​

 

[Oddball]

Well, if the banning of CFCs solved the problem, how is it that the ozone hole hasn't been permanently fixed?

Wackaloon.

 

[Dot Com]

This sub-forum is chock full of deniers. I see how Oddball & Frank57 lurk down here all the time LOL

 

[Oddball]

See how you fail to answer the question?

CFCs were banned 25 years ago, yet the ozone hole still comes and goes....Howz that happen?

G'head and launch another ad hom that doesn't address the legit question, dickweed.

 

[skookerasbil]

But failing again..............




Hmmm........is this not the biggest fAiL thread of the year on this forum or what??? >>>>>


Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record - Forbes



Shit.....this DotCom asshole has some kind of penchant for pwning herself!!!

Deniers FTMFW!!!!

 

[RollingThunder]

Well, if the banning of CFCs solved the problem, how is it that the ozone hole hasn't been permanently fixed?

CFCs built up in the atmosphere for decades, slowly rising to the top, so why would you imagine that a ban (that is not fully effective, BTW) would solve the problem instantly?

Repairing The Ozone Layer
EPA
(government publication - free to reproduce)
(excerpts)
Scientists have found "holes" in the ozone layer high above the Earth. The 1990 Clean Air Act has provisions for fixing the holes, but repairs will take a long time.

Ozone in the stratosphere, a layer of the atmosphere nine to 31 miles above the Earth, serves as a protective shield, filtering out harmful sun rays, including a type of sunlight called ultraviolet B. Exposure to ultraviolet B has been linked to development of cataracts (eye damage) and skin cancer.

In the mid-1970s, scientists suggested that chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) could destroy stratospheric ozone. CFCs were widely used then as aerosol propellants in consumer products such as hair sprays and deodorants, and for may uses in industry. Because of concern about the possible effects of CFCs on the ozone layer, in 1978 the U.S. government banned CFCs as propellants in aerosol cans.

Since the aerosol ban, scientists have been measuring the ozone layer. A few years ago, and ozone hole was found above Antarctica, including the area of the South Pole. This hole, which has been appearing each year during the Antarctic winter (our summer), is bigger than the continental United States. More recently, ozone thinning has been found in the stratosphere above the northern half of the United States; the hole extends over Canada and up into the Arctic regions (the area of theNorth Pole). The hole was first found only in winter and spring, but more recently has continued into summer. Between 1978 and 1991, there was a 4-5 percent loss of ozone in the stratosphere over the United States; this is a significant loss of ozone. Ozone holes have also been found over northern Europe.

What could a thinned-out ozone layer do to people's lives? There could be more skin cancers and cataracts. Scientists are looking into possible harm to agriculture, and there is already some evidence of damage to plant life in Antarctic seas.

Evidence that the ozone layer is dwindling let 93 nations, including the major industrialized nations, to agree to cooperate in reducing production and use of chemicals that destroy the ozone layer. As it became clear the ozone layer was thinning even more quickly than first thought, the agreement was revised to speed up the phase-out of ozone-destroying chemicals.

Unfortunately, it will be a long time before we see the ozone layer repaired. Because of the ozone-destroying chemicals already in the stratosphere and those that will arrive within the next few years, ozone destruction will likely continue for another twenty years.

Wackaloon.

Oh, is it time for the "ad homs" now.....OK......hey Screwball, your posts are idiotic nonsense and you are a retarded nutjob.....how's that?....both 'ad homish' and very accurate at the same time.....LOL.....you poor deluded cretin....

 

[Dot Com]

The Deniers are prolly angry at the planet because they can't sell it lock, stock, & barrel right from underneath us. Many of them, like skookerasbil, are obvious Randians.

 

[skookerasbil]

The Deniers are prolly angry at the planet because they can't sell it lock, stock, & barrel right from underneath us. Many of them, like skookerasbil, are obvious Randians.

Let me correct that for you s0n...........Winning Randians!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

Well, if the banning of CFCs solved the problem, how is it that the ozone hole hasn't been permanently fixed?

CFCs built up in the atmosphere for decades, slowly rising to the top, so why would you imagine that a ban (that is not fully effective, BTW) would solve the problem instantly?

Repairing The Ozone Layer
EPA
(government publication - free to reproduce)
(excerpts)
Scientists have found "holes" in the ozone layer high above the Earth. The 1990 Clean Air Act has provisions for fixing the holes, but repairs will take a long time.

Ozone in the stratosphere, a layer of the atmosphere nine to 31 miles above the Earth, serves as a protective shield, filtering out harmful sun rays, including a type of sunlight called ultraviolet B. Exposure to ultraviolet B has been linked to development of cataracts (eye damage) and skin cancer.

In the mid-1970s, scientists suggested that chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) could destroy stratospheric ozone. CFCs were widely used then as aerosol propellants in consumer products such as hair sprays and deodorants, and for may uses in industry. Because of concern about the possible effects of CFCs on the ozone layer, in 1978 the U.S. government banned CFCs as propellants in aerosol cans.

Since the aerosol ban, scientists have been measuring the ozone layer. A few years ago, and ozone hole was found above Antarctica, including the area of the South Pole. This hole, which has been appearing each year during the Antarctic winter (our summer), is bigger than the continental United States. More recently, ozone thinning has been found in the stratosphere above the northern half of the United States; the hole extends over Canada and up into the Arctic regions (the area of theNorth Pole). The hole was first found only in winter and spring, but more recently has continued into summer. Between 1978 and 1991, there was a 4-5 percent loss of ozone in the stratosphere over the United States; this is a significant loss of ozone. Ozone holes have also been found over northern Europe.

What could a thinned-out ozone layer do to people's lives? There could be more skin cancers and cataracts. Scientists are looking into possible harm to agriculture, and there is already some evidence of damage to plant life in Antarctic seas.

Evidence that the ozone layer is dwindling let 93 nations, including the major industrialized nations, to agree to cooperate in reducing production and use of chemicals that destroy the ozone layer. As it became clear the ozone layer was thinning even more quickly than first thought, the agreement was revised to speed up the phase-out of ozone-destroying chemicals.

Unfortunately, it will be a long time before we see the ozone layer repaired. Because of the ozone-destroying chemicals already in the stratosphere and those that will arrive within the next few years, ozone destruction will likely continue for another twenty years.

Wackaloon.

Oh, is it time for the "ad homs" now.....OK......hey Screwball, your posts are idiotic nonsense and you are a retarded nutjob.....how's that?....both 'ad homish' and very accurate at the same time.....LOL.....you poor deluded cretin....

s0n.......consensus is that font isnt big enough!!! Tough to see...........should definately be bigger!!!


Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record - Forbes



LOL.......bomb throwing is gay

 

[Oddball]

Well, if the banning of CFCs solved the problem, how is it that the ozone hole hasn't been permanently fixed?

CFCs built up in the atmosphere for decades, slowly rising to the top, so why would you imagine that a ban (that is not fully effective, BTW) would solve the problem instantly?

Repairing The Ozone Layer
EPA
(government publication - free to reproduce)
(excerpts)
Scientists have found "holes" in the ozone layer high above the Earth. The 1990 Clean Air Act has provisions for fixing the holes, but repairs will take a long time.

Ozone in the stratosphere, a layer of the atmosphere nine to 31 miles above the Earth, serves as a protective shield, filtering out harmful sun rays, including a type of sunlight called ultraviolet B. Exposure to ultraviolet B has been linked to development of cataracts (eye damage) and skin cancer.

In the mid-1970s, scientists suggested that chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) could destroy stratospheric ozone. CFCs were widely used then as aerosol propellants in consumer products such as hair sprays and deodorants, and for may uses in industry. Because of concern about the possible effects of CFCs on the ozone layer, in 1978 the U.S. government banned CFCs as propellants in aerosol cans.

Since the aerosol ban, scientists have been measuring the ozone layer. A few years ago, and ozone hole was found above Antarctica, including the area of the South Pole. This hole, which has been appearing each year during the Antarctic winter (our summer), is bigger than the continental United States. More recently, ozone thinning has been found in the stratosphere above the northern half of the United States; the hole extends over Canada and up into the Arctic regions (the area of theNorth Pole). The hole was first found only in winter and spring, but more recently has continued into summer. Between 1978 and 1991, there was a 4-5 percent loss of ozone in the stratosphere over the United States; this is a significant loss of ozone. Ozone holes have also been found over northern Europe.

What could a thinned-out ozone layer do to people's lives? There could be more skin cancers and cataracts. Scientists are looking into possible harm to agriculture, and there is already some evidence of damage to plant life in Antarctic seas.

Evidence that the ozone layer is dwindling let 93 nations, including the major industrialized nations, to agree to cooperate in reducing production and use of chemicals that destroy the ozone layer. As it became clear the ozone layer was thinning even more quickly than first thought, the agreement was revised to speed up the phase-out of ozone-destroying chemicals.

Unfortunately, it will be a long time before we see the ozone layer repaired. Because of the ozone-destroying chemicals already in the stratosphere and those that will arrive within the next few years, ozone destruction will likely continue for another twenty years.

IOW, banning CFCs didn't work, so wackadoodle nutbars like you need to move the goalposts and try to implement more laws/rules/regulations/taxes that won't work.

All in a day's work for the envirofascists.

 

[RollingThunder]

Well, if the banning of CFCs solved the problem, how is it that the ozone hole hasn't been permanently fixed?

CFCs built up in the atmosphere for decades, slowly rising to the top, so why would you imagine that a ban (that is not fully effective, BTW) would solve the problem instantly?

Repairing The Ozone Layer
EPA
(government publication - free to reproduce)
(excerpts)
Scientists have found "holes" in the ozone layer high above the Earth. The 1990 Clean Air Act has provisions for fixing the holes, but repairs will take a long time.

Ozone in the stratosphere, a layer of the atmosphere nine to 31 miles above the Earth, serves as a protective shield, filtering out harmful sun rays, including a type of sunlight called ultraviolet B. Exposure to ultraviolet B has been linked to development of cataracts (eye damage) and skin cancer.

In the mid-1970s, scientists suggested that chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) could destroy stratospheric ozone. CFCs were widely used then as aerosol propellants in consumer products such as hair sprays and deodorants, and for may uses in industry. Because of concern about the possible effects of CFCs on the ozone layer, in 1978 the U.S. government banned CFCs as propellants in aerosol cans.

Since the aerosol ban, scientists have been measuring the ozone layer. A few years ago, and ozone hole was found above Antarctica, including the area of the South Pole. This hole, which has been appearing each year during the Antarctic winter (our summer), is bigger than the continental United States. More recently, ozone thinning has been found in the stratosphere above the northern half of the United States; the hole extends over Canada and up into the Arctic regions (the area of theNorth Pole). The hole was first found only in winter and spring, but more recently has continued into summer. Between 1978 and 1991, there was a 4-5 percent loss of ozone in the stratosphere over the United States; this is a significant loss of ozone. Ozone holes have also been found over northern Europe.

What could a thinned-out ozone layer do to people's lives? There could be more skin cancers and cataracts. Scientists are looking into possible harm to agriculture, and there is already some evidence of damage to plant life in Antarctic seas.

Evidence that the ozone layer is dwindling let 93 nations, including the major industrialized nations, to agree to cooperate in reducing production and use of chemicals that destroy the ozone layer. As it became clear the ozone layer was thinning even more quickly than first thought, the agreement was revised to speed up the phase-out of ozone-destroying chemicals.

Unfortunately, it will be a long time before we see the ozone layer repaired. Because of the ozone-destroying chemicals already in the stratosphere and those that will arrive within the next few years, ozone destruction will likely continue for another twenty years.

IOW, banning CFCs didn't work, so wackadoodle nutbars like you need to move the goalposts and try to implement more laws/rules/regulations/taxes that won't work.

All in a day's work for the envirofascists.

It is interesting to watch how the mind (if you can call it that) of a denier cult retard works. I guess for someone as severely retarded as you, it must make sense that either the ban on CFCs instantly repaired the ozone hole or else the ban isn't working at all. Retarded two value logic. You are incredibly stupid, Screwball.

Destruction Of Ozone Layer Is Slowing After Worldwide Ban On CFC Release
(excerpts)
ScienceDaily (July 30, 2003) — WASHINGTON - The rate at which ozone is being destroyed in the upper stratosphere is slowing, and the levels of ozone-destroying chlorine in that layer of the atmosphere have peaked and are going down -- the first clear evidence that a worldwide reduction in chlorofluorocarbon pollution is having the desired effect, according to a new study. "This is the beginning of a recovery of the ozone layer," said Professor Michael Newchurch of the University of Alabama in Huntsville (UAH), the scientist who led the ozone trend-analysis research team. "We had a monumental problem of global scale that we have started to solve."

 

[Oddball]

BTW, Trolling Blunder, the ozone hole and Goebbels warming aren't related.

 

[RollingThunder]

BTW, Trolling Blunder, the ozone hole and Goebbels warming aren't related.

Nobody said they were, you silly retard.

 

[PredFan]

From the vid:

Every September and October (springtime in the Antarctic) a hole forms in the protective ozone layer over the South Pole.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Ug-NWat04]NOAA's South Pole Ozone Update Oct 1, 2012 - YouTube[/ame]​

A HOLE!!!

OMFG The sky is falling, the sky is FALLING!!!!!

 

[Oddball]

BTW, Trolling Blunder, the ozone hole and Goebbels warming aren't related.

Nobody said they were, you silly retard.

It's implied in the thread title.

Meanwhile, CFCs have been banned for 25 years, the ozone hole still comes and goes, and all that dour, pinheaded misanthropes like you can do is make excuses for why you've failed....yet again.

 

[RollingThunder]

BTW, Trolling Blunder, the ozone hole and Goebbels warming aren't related.

Nobody said they were, you silly retard.

It's implied in the thread title.

No Screwball, you poor retard, what is implied in the thread title is obviously that you anti-science denier cult nutjobs reject and deny the science around the ozone layer destruction (for political reasons) just like you do the science concerning AGW.

Meanwhile, CFCs have been banned for 25 years, the ozone hole still comes and goes, and all that dour, pinheaded misanthropes like you can do is make excuses for why you've failed....yet again.

I see you still can't quite get your head around the concept that some things take some time to repair. Not too surprising for a totally clueless retard like you, I suppose.

 

[Oddball]

blablabla deniers yapyapyap deniers twaddletwadletwaddle deniers maumaumau deniers.....

 

[tjvh]

Let's be honest about what AGW really is... A big special interest money grab whose purpose is to convince other people that man is the sole cause of climate change so that those people will blindly agree to keep funding enviro-crooks whose so purpose is to receive grants and funding to waste the Taxpayer's money on unproven technologies that are labeled as "green", and make a cushy living off of people living in fear of fossil fuels, and spray cans. Enough said.

 

[RollingThunder]

Let's be honest about what AGW really is... A big special interest money grab whose purpose is to convince other people that man is the sole cause of climate change so that those people will blindly agree to keep funding enviro-crooks whose so purpose is to receive grants and funding to waste the Taxpayer's money on unproven technologies that are labeled as "green", and make a cushy living off of people living in fear of fossil fuels, and spray cans. Enough said.

That's not "honest", that's just retarded. You obviously have no fricking idea what is going on, you moronic rightwing nutjob.

 

[westwall]

Ahhhh yes, the ever popular ozone hole. Supposedly "discovered" in the '80's (though theorised in the '70's and actually observed in the 20's!) and then what they find is CFC's might have an effect but the overwhelming cause of the hole is.....wait for it....COLD WEATHER! Holy shit batman, you mean its mainly natural?





Peering into the Ozone Hole
Concentrations of ozone-destroying gases are down, but the Antarctic ozone hole is bigger than ever. It turns out there's more to ozone destruction than just CFCs.
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October 2, 2000 -- Scientists have some good news and some bad news for ozone watchers. Concentrations of ozone-depleting chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) have leveled off in the stratosphere and actually declined in the lower atmosphere, raising hopes for a recovery of the ozone layer. That's the good news.

The bad news is that NASA satellites spotted the largest Antarctic ozone hole ever recorded on September 9, 2000, and the effects of global climate change may exacerbate the problem.

Right: Image of the record-size ozone hole taken by NASA satellites on September 9, 2000. Blue denotes low ozone concentrations and yellow and red denote higher levels of ozone. Notice the "croissant" of high ozone concentrations formed when the Antarctic vortex blocks the southerly migration of ozone formed in the tropics. [More images and credits]

Why are we seeing the worst-ever ozone hole when 13 years of regulation are finally bringing CFC levels under control?

"The first point is that these processes are really slow," said Dr. Richard McPeters, principal investigator for NASA's Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer (TOMS) at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center (GSFC).

"It takes a long time for the CFCs to get up into the stratosphere in the first place, so it's going to take a long time for them to come back out," McPeters said.




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CFCs released at the ground diffuse upward through the lowest layer of the atmosphere, called the troposphere. The vertical air currents of tropospheric weather help push CFCs up to the next layer, the stratosphere. Once there, CFCs rise more slowly because stratospheric air has less vertical air movement.
In fact, it can take a CFC molecule about 2 years after being released at the ground to make it to the stratosphere where the ozone is. And it can take decades for it to be converted by sunlight into a form that is harmful to ozone, according to Dr. Charles Jackman, an atmospheric modeler at GSFC.

Once a CFC molecule is converted to its destructive form, it can linger in the stratosphere for a few years before it drifts back down into the troposphere in the form of hydrogen chloride (HCl) and is washed out of the atmosphere by rain, Jackman said.

In 1994, NOAA scientists first measured a decrease in the amount of CFCs in the lowest layer of the atmosphere. Since these CFCs would eventually work their way up to the stratosphere -- where the ozone is -- this finding gave hope that CFC concentrations in the stratosphere would also soon begin to decline.

"It'll be a number of years before you start to see real reductions in the CFCs in the stratosphere," McPeters said.

Model calculations suggest that ozone recovery to pre-1980 levels could take 20 to 40 years, he explained. "So it's not something where you'd expect to see a big change this year."




Above: A graph showing the concentrations of one type of CFC over time. Notice the steady rise until about 1990 -- three years after the Montreal Protocol established a phase-out program for CFCs. Concentrations of CFCs have started to decline. In the graph, "ppt" stands for parts per trillion, not parts per thousand. [more information]

Although the concentration of CFCs in the stratosphere appears to have leveled off, the size of the ozone hole won't necessarily level off with it.

"What's happening right now is you have the CFCs at a very high level, and this gives you a background of low ozone," McPeters explained. "And then from one year to the next, whether you have a particularly deep hole or not sort of depends on the stratospheric 'weather' that you have in the Southern Hemisphere."

"Because of the overwhelming role of weather in the ozone hole, it means it's really unpredictable," McPeters said. "That's what makes it fun to measure ozone -- every year it surprises us."

This year's record ozone hole occurred largely as a result of the particularly cold winter in Antarctica, McPeters said."



Peering into the Ozone Hole - NASA Science