Texas school board to rewrite history

I can't wait for the Texas board to determine what will be taught for the history of the Obama regime and how he nearly brought our country into a socialist state with his failed health care reform bill that the Democrats passed and brought into law without ever passing the bill. The truth must be told that the People took back their Congress and forced out the evil-doers.

I still on teaching "magical creation". Think of all the advances in biology, botany and physiology that comes from "magical creation". Finally, "REAL" science will make a comeback, "Astrology, alchemy, incantations, spells and potions, voodoo". I can't wait.

Do you know what is really funny about your statement? People still have a right to teach their kids those things if they want to because it is not up to you.

As long as they don't try to infect my kids with such nonsense. Besides, people who hamstring their children in such a way, ensures those children will be out of the market as far as competition. And we will always need unskilled labor.
 
I still on teaching "magical creation". Think of all the advances in biology, botany and physiology that comes from "magical creation". Finally, "REAL" science will make a comeback, "Astrology, alchemy, incantations, spells and potions, voodoo". I can't wait.

Do you know what is really funny about your statement? People still have a right to teach their kids those things if they want to because it is not up to you.

As long as they don't try to infect my kids with such nonsense. Besides, people who hamstring their children in such a way, ensures those children will be out of the market as far as competition. And we will always need unskilled labor.

I'm 100% OK with that as long as you are willing to do the same for the children of other parents.
 
It is a sad case of a handful of nut jobs pushing their beliefs on the kids of Texas. None of these fools are historians.

Thankfully, Dr. McLeroy, the dentist, was defeated in the recent elections. Unfortunately, he still has the rest of the year to muck things up

"Handful of nut jobs?"

I believe it's a pretty accurate example of what the Republican Party has become in this nation.

Because 11 in 12 college professors voted for Obama and only 6% of scientists are Republicans, they feel "liberals" are "out of step" with America. The truth is, it's the Republicans who are "out of step". The educated vote against the Republicans because they understand that the party has no moderates. It's just a right wing radical lynch mob.

And the idiot broken record continues to skip over and over........... lemming.
 
Texans are doing what should have been done long ago. School books were hijacked by liberal do-goodism for decades - with an inherent anti-American slant contained therein.

Of this I know well - I have been deep in the pit of school textbook publication, and it is a most sordid and scandal-ridden world indeed!

Well done Texas - and given its influence on use of textbooks nationwide - this will hopefully initiate a much needed revision of the long standing liberal plague that has infested our public school text books...

Wow, so you're all for rewriting history THAT ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE because it doesn't jibe with your "worn on the sleeve" patriotism? This country has done very bad things to other countries and groups of people. The US has wonderful things about it and some very, very dark things about it. Just what we need. More stupid, ignorant American kids. All the better to compete in a global economy... And you are the guys that squeal about "indoctrination"? So what biased slant will you put toward the extermination of my Cherokee ancestors? That they DESERVED it? That they really were "savages"? Not human? Wonderful.
 
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Christopher Columbus discovering the Americas and Ronald Reagan winning the Cold War will no longer be ignored in our schools.

Yeah, you can teach these two examples all you want, but it won't make them true or accurate... You want your kid to believe lies? Like they teach in China that Tiananmen Square didn't happen? Sounds like brainwashing to me... Can you say "indoctrination" boys and girls?
 
It is a sad case of a handful of nut jobs pushing their beliefs on the kids of Texas. None of these fools are historians.

Thankfully, Dr. McLeroy, the dentist, was defeated in the recent elections. Unfortunately, he still has the rest of the year to muck things up

The parents of that state elected public officials to decide what is being taught. They made that decision in the political process. Why do you have such a problem with parents deciding what their kids learn? Don't you think it is the parent's right to pass on knowledge from one generation to the next as they see fit?

One thing I'll agree with is that education is a state issue.

One thing I will not agree with is parents voting in their religious beliefs into a secular school system.

Yes a parent should have the right to decide what their children learns. That's why we have PRIVATE SCHOOLS and homeschooling. I get sick and tired of this "drop your kids off and let the state teach your children shit you should be teaching them at home crap". That creates bad and lazy parents.

Personally I'm against most "science" classes and find them unnecessary unless the student feels that they want to pursue a career in science or medicine. The beginning/creation of the Earth, because of religion, is to touchy of a subject to teach unless the state figures out away to teach all of the major theories as just that, major theories, present each theory constructively without pushing any parents or religious group's opinions on the children.

WHENEVER you have a situation when schools are used by ANY group of parents or religious groups to morally indoctrinate children I have a problem. Like I said schools are not to be used as tools of the state to force ANYONE'S social or religious beliefs on ANYONE. If you want to send your child to a moral or religious school do so or keep them home and teach them yourself. It's not that hard of a freaking concept. These christian rightists scream about the left pushing their "values" on children and turn around and do the same damn thing. TEACH YOUR RELIGION AND MORALS (OR LACK OF) AT HOME AND CHURCH. THAT'S WHERE THEY BELONG.

As for the issue of history goes, this was never intended to be a christian nation. I think the constitution is pretty clear on that. Personally I lean towards liberal constitutionalism ideologically, I think we have a pretty good damn document running the country. Within it is a clear principle requiring the separation of church and state. For a reason. Religion in the state is a dangerous tool of control. Letting this "christian nation" bullshit run rampant is detrimental to the constitution. You have the right to believe what you want, you don't have the right to push your beliefs on innocent children.
 
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It is a sad case of a handful of nut jobs pushing their beliefs on the kids of Texas. None of these fools are historians.

Thankfully, Dr. McLeroy, the dentist, was defeated in the recent elections. Unfortunately, he still has the rest of the year to muck things up

The parents of that state elected public officials to decide what is being taught. They made that decision in the political process. Why do you have such a problem with parents deciding what their kids learn? Don't you think it is the parent's right to pass on knowledge from one generation to the next as they see fit?

One thing I'll agree with is that education is a state issue.

One thing I will not agree with is parents voting in their religious beliefs into a secular school system.

Yes a parent should have the right to decide what their children learns. That's why we have PRIVATE SCHOOLS and homeschooling. I get sick and tired of this "drop your kids off and let the state teach your children shit you should be teaching them at home crap". That creates bad and lazy parents.

Personally I'm against most "science" classes and find them unnecessary unless the student feels that they want to pursue a career in science or medicine. The beginning/creation of the Earth, because of religion, is to touchy of a subject to teach unless the state figures out away to teach all of the major theories as just that, major theories, present each theory constructively without pushing any parents or religious group's opinions on the children.

WHENEVER you have a situation when schools are used by ANY group of parents or religious groups to morally indoctrinate children I have a problem. Like I said schools are not to be used as tools of the state to force ANYONE'S social or religious beliefs on ANYONE. If you want to send your child to a moral or religious school do so or keep them home and teach them yourself. It's not that hard of a freaking concept. These christian rightists scream about the left pushing their "values" on children and turn around and do the same damn thing. TEACH YOUR RELIGION AND MORALS (OR LACK OF) AT HOME AND CHURCH. THAT'S WHERE THEY BELONG.

As for the issue of history goes, this was never intended to be a christian nation. I think the constitution is pretty clear on that. Personally I lean towards liberal constitutionalism ideologically, I think we have a pretty good damn document running the country. Within it is a clear principle requiring the separation of church and state. For a reason. Religion in the state is a dangerous tool of control. Letting this "christian nation" bullshit run rampant is detrimental to the constitution. You have the right to believe what you want, you don't have the right to push your beliefs on innocent children.

Well said.
 
Do you know what is really funny about your statement? People still have a right to teach their kids those things if they want to because it is not up to you.

As long as they don't try to infect my kids with such nonsense. Besides, people who hamstring their children in such a way, ensures those children will be out of the market as far as competition. And we will always need unskilled labor.

I'm 100% OK with that as long as you are willing to do the same for the children of other parents.

Which is why they have home schooling. If you don't like "science", keep your kids at home where you can guarantee they stay stupid and will never be able to compete. They'll love you for it.
 
It is a sad case of a handful of nut jobs pushing their beliefs on the kids of Texas. None of these fools are historians.

Thankfully, Dr. McLeroy, the dentist, was defeated in the recent elections. Unfortunately, he still has the rest of the year to muck things up

"Handful of nut jobs?"

I believe it's a pretty accurate example of what the Republican Party has become in this nation.

Because 11 in 12 college professors voted for Obama and only 6% of scientists are Republicans, they feel "liberals" are "out of step" with America. The truth is, it's the Republicans who are "out of step". The educated vote against the Republicans because they understand that the party has no moderates. It's just a right wing radical lynch mob.

And the idiot broken record continues to skip over and over........... lemming.

I tell the truth and you call me an idiot and a lemming. Turd.
 
As long as they don't try to infect my kids with such nonsense. Besides, people who hamstring their children in such a way, ensures those children will be out of the market as far as competition. And we will always need unskilled labor.

I'm 100% OK with that as long as you are willing to do the same for the children of other parents.

Which is why they have home schooling. If you don't like "science", keep your kids at home where you can guarantee they stay stupid and will never be able to compete. They'll love you for it.

Not when they leave the house and they're completely ignorant of how the world works.
 
The parents of that state elected public officials to decide what is being taught. They made that decision in the political process. Why do you have such a problem with parents deciding what their kids learn? Don't you think it is the parent's right to pass on knowledge from one generation to the next as they see fit?

One thing I'll agree with is that education is a state issue.

One thing I will not agree with is parents voting in their religious beliefs into a secular school system.

Yes a parent should have the right to decide what their children learns. That's why we have PRIVATE SCHOOLS and homeschooling. I get sick and tired of this "drop your kids off and let the state teach your children shit you should be teaching them at home crap". That creates bad and lazy parents.

Personally I'm against most "science" classes and find them unnecessary unless the student feels that they want to pursue a career in science or medicine. The beginning/creation of the Earth, because of religion, is to touchy of a subject to teach unless the state figures out away to teach all of the major theories as just that, major theories, present each theory constructively without pushing any parents or religious group's opinions on the children.

WHENEVER you have a situation when schools are used by ANY group of parents or religious groups to morally indoctrinate children I have a problem. Like I said schools are not to be used as tools of the state to force ANYONE'S social or religious beliefs on ANYONE. If you want to send your child to a moral or religious school do so or keep them home and teach them yourself. It's not that hard of a freaking concept. These christian rightists scream about the left pushing their "values" on children and turn around and do the same damn thing. TEACH YOUR RELIGION AND MORALS (OR LACK OF) AT HOME AND CHURCH. THAT'S WHERE THEY BELONG.

As for the issue of history goes, this was never intended to be a christian nation. I think the constitution is pretty clear on that. Personally I lean towards liberal constitutionalism ideologically, I think we have a pretty good damn document running the country. Within it is a clear principle requiring the separation of church and state. For a reason. Religion in the state is a dangerous tool of control. Letting this "christian nation" bullshit run rampant is detrimental to the constitution. You have the right to believe what you want, you don't have the right to push your beliefs on innocent children.

Well said.

Well said???? How can you agree with something so stupid?

Just this one comment deserves a double bitch slap:

"Personally I'm against most "science" classes and find them unnecessary unless the student feels that they want to pursue a career in science or medicine."

Primary and secondary education are supposed to build a foundation so you can, if you want, go to college for a "higher" education. Refusing to teach portions of science because it interferes with "mystical teachings" is deplorable and certainly a way to hamstring children.

If children aren't exposed to science, how would they know if they want to pursue a career in "science or medicine".

And even worse, if science is left out of school curriculums, then students may grow up feeling there is "something wrong" with it, and that would be the most damaging of all.

So right wingers, if you don't like science being taught and want to indoctrinate your children in the occult, if you want to make sure they will only be suitable for unskilled labor, go down that path, but please, keep them at home. We don't want the other children infected.
 
As long as they don't try to infect my kids with such nonsense.

Kinda makes me glad that at least my kids will be out of school soon. I hope that shit doesn't spread to our state. I hope school boards in other states start pushing back and telling the textbook companies that they don't want to buy their product if it contains the crap these Texas nutbags want pushed in their state's curriculuum.
 
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As for the issue of history goes, this was never intended to be a christian nation. I think the constitution is pretty clear on that. .

Well said.

Difficult for me to believe that with references to Gawd in practically every major speech, in prayers before congress, in swearing in our Presidents, and "In God We Trust" writ large upon our currency, that the USA was "never intended to be a christian nation."

Primary and secondary education are supposed to build a foundation so you can, if you want, go to college for a "higher" education.

Actually, "secondary education" is a relatively modern concept that wasn't widely accepted even in 1918, which was when every state publically educated everyone up until the 8th grade. Secondary education became a " educational foundation" only after WWII, as it (as well as the GI Bill) became necessary to imbue a larger workforce with greater math and science knowledge. Of course, this was not only a reaction to the USA's global trade dominance, but also as an almost paranoid reaction to Gawdless Commies.
 
One thing I'll agree with is that education is a state issue.

One thing I will not agree with is parents voting in their religious beliefs into a secular school system.

Yes a parent should have the right to decide what their children learns. That's why we have PRIVATE SCHOOLS and homeschooling. I get sick and tired of this "drop your kids off and let the state teach your children shit you should be teaching them at home crap". That creates bad and lazy parents.

Personally I'm against most "science" classes and find them unnecessary unless the student feels that they want to pursue a career in science or medicine. The beginning/creation of the Earth, because of religion, is to touchy of a subject to teach unless the state figures out away to teach all of the major theories as just that, major theories, present each theory constructively without pushing any parents or religious group's opinions on the children.

WHENEVER you have a situation when schools are used by ANY group of parents or religious groups to morally indoctrinate children I have a problem. Like I said schools are not to be used as tools of the state to force ANYONE'S social or religious beliefs on ANYONE. If you want to send your child to a moral or religious school do so or keep them home and teach them yourself. It's not that hard of a freaking concept. These christian rightists scream about the left pushing their "values" on children and turn around and do the same damn thing. TEACH YOUR RELIGION AND MORALS (OR LACK OF) AT HOME AND CHURCH. THAT'S WHERE THEY BELONG.

As for the issue of history goes, this was never intended to be a christian nation. I think the constitution is pretty clear on that. Personally I lean towards liberal constitutionalism ideologically, I think we have a pretty good damn document running the country. Within it is a clear principle requiring the separation of church and state. For a reason. Religion in the state is a dangerous tool of control. Letting this "christian nation" bullshit run rampant is detrimental to the constitution. You have the right to believe what you want, you don't have the right to push your beliefs on innocent children.

Well said.

Well said???? How can you agree with something so stupid?

Just this one comment deserves a double bitch slap:

"Personally I'm against most "science" classes and find them unnecessary unless the student feels that they want to pursue a career in science or medicine."

Primary and secondary education are supposed to build a foundation so you can, if you want, go to college for a "higher" education. Refusing to teach portions of science because it interferes with "mystical teachings" is deplorable and certainly a way to hamstring children.

If children aren't exposed to science, how would they know if they want to pursue a career in "science or medicine".

And even worse, if science is left out of school curriculums, then students may grow up feeling there is "something wrong" with it, and that would be the most damaging of all.

So right wingers, if you don't like science being taught and want to indoctrinate your children in the occult, if you want to make sure they will only be suitable for unskilled labor, go down that path, but please, keep them at home. We don't want the other children infected.

First, I said "most science classes" not "science" as a whole. I also said that I don't mind science being taught providing that it can be done so in a way that doesn't pin one ideology or religion or lack of one on kids. Remember, as far as I know the Big Bang Theory is just that, still a theory and it should be taught as such, just like the creationism theory. Darwinism is a theory, it has merits, it should be taught as such. Second, I'm interested in pursuing psychology in college once I get the assistance from the Armed Services and the GI Bill I need to pay for it. Up until 11th grade I never took a class in psychology and the class I took was optional, and I took it simply because I knew that was the career field I would eventually want to go into. You don't have to teach 5th graders about the big bang theory or creationism for them to want to be doctors.
 
As for the issue of history goes, this was never intended to be a christian nation. I think the constitution is pretty clear on that. .

Well said.

Difficult for me to believe that with references to Gawd in practically every major speech, in prayers before congress, in swearing in our Presidents, and "In God We Trust" writ large upon our currency, that the USA was "never intended to be a christian nation."

Ceremonially this nation respects certain traditions that originate from a specific religion. Does that mean we have the right to indoctrinate children with a set of religious beliefs? No. That means we have certain protocol that we've been following for years that keeps shit running.
 
Well said.

Well said???? How can you agree with something so stupid?

Just this one comment deserves a double bitch slap:

"Personally I'm against most "science" classes and find them unnecessary unless the student feels that they want to pursue a career in science or medicine."

Primary and secondary education are supposed to build a foundation so you can, if you want, go to college for a "higher" education. Refusing to teach portions of science because it interferes with "mystical teachings" is deplorable and certainly a way to hamstring children.

If children aren't exposed to science, how would they know if they want to pursue a career in "science or medicine".

And even worse, if science is left out of school curriculums, then students may grow up feeling there is "something wrong" with it, and that would be the most damaging of all.

So right wingers, if you don't like science being taught and want to indoctrinate your children in the occult, if you want to make sure they will only be suitable for unskilled labor, go down that path, but please, keep them at home. We don't want the other children infected.

First, I said "most science classes" not "science" as a whole. I also said that I don't mind science being taught providing that it can be done so in a way that doesn't pin one ideology or religion or lack of one on kids. Remember, as far as I know the Big Bang Theory is just that, still a theory and it should be taught as such, just like the creationism theory. Darwinism is a theory, it has merits, it should be taught as such. Second, I'm interested in pursuing psychology in college once I get the assistance from the Armed Services and the GI Bill I need to pay for it. Up until 11th grade I never took a class in psychology and the class I took was optional, and I took it simply because I knew that was the career field I would eventually want to go into. You don't have to teach 5th graders about the big bang theory or creationism for them to want to be doctors.

You know what, you can say that crap all you want, but it's crap. This is 2010 NOT 1980. Worse, you have the Internet. There is no excuse to keep repeating that nonsense when information is available. There is no such thing as a "creationism theory". Theories have to be based on data and experimentation. THERE IS NO EXISTING DATA IN MAGICAL CREATION. It is NOT a theory. It is not supported by any other branch of science. It's just a made up fantasy.

And that's the problem with the right. They COULD learn. Knowledge is available. They refuse. You can't have those beliefs and be able to say you studied modern evolution. It would be a lie. Or worse, you are not capable of learning the material.
 
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Well said???? How can you agree with something so stupid?

Just this one comment deserves a double bitch slap:

"Personally I'm against most "science" classes and find them unnecessary unless the student feels that they want to pursue a career in science or medicine."

Primary and secondary education are supposed to build a foundation so you can, if you want, go to college for a "higher" education. Refusing to teach portions of science because it interferes with "mystical teachings" is deplorable and certainly a way to hamstring children.

If children aren't exposed to science, how would they know if they want to pursue a career in "science or medicine".

And even worse, if science is left out of school curriculums, then students may grow up feeling there is "something wrong" with it, and that would be the most damaging of all.

So right wingers, if you don't like science being taught and want to indoctrinate your children in the occult, if you want to make sure they will only be suitable for unskilled labor, go down that path, but please, keep them at home. We don't want the other children infected.

First, I said "most science classes" not "science" as a whole. I also said that I don't mind science being taught providing that it can be done so in a way that doesn't pin one ideology or religion or lack of one on kids. Remember, as far as I know the Big Bang Theory is just that, still a theory and it should be taught as such, just like the creationism theory. Darwinism is a theory, it has merits, it should be taught as such. Second, I'm interested in pursuing psychology in college once I get the assistance from the Armed Services and the GI Bill I need to pay for it. Up until 11th grade I never took a class in psychology and the class I took was optional, and I took it simply because I knew that was the career field I would eventually want to go into. You don't have to teach 5th graders about the big bang theory or creationism for them to want to be doctors.

You know what, you can say that crap all you want, but it's crap. This is 2010 NOT 1980. Worse, you have the Internet. There is no excuse to keep repeating that nonsense when information is available. There is no such thing as a "creationism theory". Theories have to be based on data and experimentation. THERE IS NO EXISTING DATA IN MAGICAL CREATION. It is NOT a theory. It is not supported by any other branch of science. It's just a made up fantasy.

And that's the problem with the right. They COULD learn. Knowledge is available. They refuse. You can't have those beliefs and be able to say you studied modern evolution. It would be a lie. Or worse, you are not capable of learning the material.

Say what you want to but there are creationist scientists out there. Fact is I'm not one, therefore I'm the wrong person to ask about creationism. Whether or not this is 2010 there are people who believe a variety of theories about how the Earth was created. I'm not arguing creationism with you, I'm telling the honest and complete truth, there is one dynamic that you are never going to get around when you talk about science. That's religion.

Just like I'll fight the christian rightist tooth and nail about them forcing their ideas on children the same goes for you. You tell children the facts, give them the evidence, when they're grown they can make their own informed decision about what THEY believe.
 
Well said.

Difficult for me to believe that with references to Gawd in practically every major speech, in prayers before congress, in swearing in our Presidents, and "In God We Trust" writ large upon our currency, that the USA was "never intended to be a christian nation."

Ceremonially this nation respects certain traditions that originate from a specific religion. Does that mean we have the right to indoctrinate children with a set of religious beliefs? No. That means we have certain protocol that we've been following for years that keeps shit running.

Yes I agree.

But, when you reference "certain traditions" you're talking about Christianity.

This is in difference with the statement:

As for the issue of history goes, this was never intended to be a christian nation.

Clearly, the USA was never imagined to be anything BUT a Christian Nation.

And when there is a seperation between "Church and State," the church that was being referenced was a Christian church (unless there were a prevalence of Jews, Muslims, etc among the colonists of which no one was aware).
 
I can't wait for the Texas board to determine what will be taught for the history of the Obama regime and how he nearly brought our country into a socialist state with his failed health care reform bill that the Democrats passed and brought into law without ever passing the bill. The truth must be told that the People took back their Congress and forced out the evil-doers.

I still on teaching "magical creation". Think of all the advances in biology, botany and physiology that comes from "magical creation". Finally, "REAL" science will make a comeback, "Astrology, alchemy, incantations, spells and potions, voodoo". I can't wait.

Do you know what is really funny about your statement? People still have a right to teach their kids those things if they want to because it is not up to you.
We're gonna convert their heathen kids into the Christian Taliban! :lol:
 
It is a sad case of a handful of nut jobs pushing their beliefs on the kids of Texas. None of these fools are historians.

Thankfully, Dr. McLeroy, the dentist, was defeated in the recent elections. Unfortunately, he still has the rest of the year to muck things up

"Handful of nut jobs?"

I believe it's a pretty accurate example of what the Republican Party has become in this nation.

Because 11 in 12 college professors voted for Obama and only 6% of scientists are Republicans, they feel "liberals" are "out of step" with America. The truth is, it's the Republicans who are "out of step". The educated vote against the Republicans because they understand that the party has no moderates. It's just a right wing radical lynch mob.

And the idiot broken record continues to skip over and over........... lemming.
In the meantime, they and their kids work for us.
 

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