Texas Open-Carry, Boys and their Deadly Toys.

[2aguy]

Does the owner of Starbucks and Safeway require patrons to wear a firearm, or do they just allow any idiot to shop in their store, including those that pack a firearm?

The one thing about gun nuts is they never respect property rights. If you tell them no guns, they come in anyway.

No, they don't, because the law states that if it is posted no firearms, then they don't bring them in, or they don't enter the premises. Laws only apply to the law abiding. Something a stupid person like you can never understand.

Gun nuts don't care what the laws say, and never have.

Actually, you are wrong again......studies show that concealed carry permit holders are more law abiding than the average citizen and even more law abiding than sworn police officers.....try to do some research on the subject and it might make you wiser.....

 

[2aguy]

Does the owner of Starbucks and Safeway require patrons to wear a firearm, or do they just allow any idiot to shop in their store, including those that pack a firearm?

The one thing about gun nuts is they never respect property rights. If you tell them no guns, they come in anyway.

No, they don't, because the law states that if it is posted no firearms, then they don't bring them in, or they don't enter the premises. Laws only apply to the law abiding. Something a stupid person like you can never understand.

Gun nuts don't care what the laws say, and never have.

Sure they do. If they break the law then they get their weapons taken away from them. That's the problem with idiots like you, you think law abiding citizens are just as bad as the criminals when the evidence shows the exact opposite. Why do you insist on making the lives of criminals easier? Why do you want women to be raped and murdered with no way to defend themselves?

Is it the only way you can get laid?

Guns don't protect women from rape, but the rapist can get a free gun out of the deal. A win-win for him.

Wow...a no hitter for you....guns are actually the best defense against rape....I'll get the studies....

 

[2aguy]

Does the owner of Starbucks and Safeway require patrons to wear a firearm, or do they just allow any idiot to shop in their store, including those that pack a firearm?

The one thing about gun nuts is they never respect property rights. If you tell them no guns, they come in anyway.

No, they don't, because the law states that if it is posted no firearms, then they don't bring them in, or they don't enter the premises. Laws only apply to the law abiding. Something a stupid person like you can never understand.

Gun nuts don't care what the laws say, and never have.

Sure they do. If they break the law then they get their weapons taken away from them. That's the problem with idiots like you, you think law abiding citizens are just as bad as the criminals when the evidence shows the exact opposite. Why do you insist on making the lives of criminals easier? Why do you want women to be raped and murdered with no way to defend themselves?

Is it the only way you can get laid?

Guns don't protect women from rape, but the rapist can get a free gun out of the deal. A win-win for him.

Here you go...again...do the research...it might make you wiser and you won't post from ignorance...

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

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So, again a woman's best chance for stopping the rape and ultimately surviving the situation is to use a gun.....

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http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Data/Crime/Florida/Gun Ownership Stops Rape/

 

[2aguy]

You get shot in Texas you don't need a doctor. You need an Undertaker.

They get shot there and survive all the time. And most deaths will be suicides, as usual.

Lets see about 18000 deaths to suicide a year by firearms. Over 300 million firearms in private hands, can we do the math?

I have.

Let us know when you are able to get an accurate resolution to 2+2.

It could be 18 deaths and my position would be the same. Fewer guns, fewer gun suicides.

And more hanging suicides since they will just use rope instead of the gun....I guess that makes it better...

 

[Jarlaxle]

There you go again thinking we give a shit how someone ends their own life.
I mean seriously does the method really matter?

Yes...

Why?

He's afraid of guns, probably someone close to him was killed by gun, so he wants to punish all those who own one.

I own guns, but unlike you little morons I don't treat them like toys to be taken to the Walmart.

Huh ? You've always said you want guns banned, now you claim you actually own them.
You're ******* nuts.

Actually, no, I think he's about twelve years old.

 

[2aguy]

If you are the owner of the Starbucks or Safeway and question and don't want people open carrying in your store, all power to you. As a supporter of private property rights, you have the right to implement a policy prohibiting open carry in your store. However, if you don't own the stores in question, it isn't your business to dictate if someone can open carry in them.

I'm not dictating anything. I am simply calling out all the immature jerks who, now that they can no longer show their manhood by buying a Hummer, wear a phallic symbol on their hip, instead.

Seems like you are the immature one here, believing your sensibilities and preferences come before the liberties of others.

If you don't like open carrying in private places of business, don't do so. And if it really bothers you when others do so, than take your business elsewhere, it is pretty simple. You don't need to introduce the State to impose your personal preferences on others.

...as if I can take my business elsewhere in AZ, which allows open carry for everyone without a license. Speaking of which, AZ will still issue a concealed carry license if you want one, but it is such a joke, with virtually no training or knowledge required, that even Nevada no longer recognizes it in their state.

But, if you feel that your liberties are in danger because you might need your handgun back in the dairy aisle at Safeway, by all means, macho up, swagger back there, and boldly pick up the largest container of yogurt that they sell there! The Duke would be proud of ya!

Tell that to the people who were killed at Gabbys talkfest. All it would have taken is one CCW holder, in the audience, and the assault would have been terminated after one magazine was fired.

But no, you can never think that far.

It was stopped after one magazine and by unarmed people.

The gabby giffords shooter was stopped by pure dumb luck on the part of the unarmed people involved....if they hadn't been lucky though there were at least 2 concealed carriers there who were ready to stop the guy.....

 

[2aguy]

Lets see about 18000 deaths to suicide a year by firearms. Over 300 million firearms in private hands, can we do the math?

I have.

Let us know when you are able to get an accurate resolution to 2+2.

It could be 18 deaths and my position would be the same. Fewer guns, fewer gun suicides.

But NOT fewer overall suicides. Japan has almost no firearms yet their suicide rate is MUCH higher then ours. Provide us a study that shows if we removed all firearms from civilian hands there would be no civilian suicides. Or one that shows the number would significantly drop. And it has to be from an unbiased source.

Suicide by gun was my point. That's as far as it goes.

Suicide by gun was my point. That's as far as it goes.

Yes....you have to stop there because further study shows you are wrong......

 

[Brain357]

The one thing about gun nuts is they never respect property rights. If you tell them no guns, they come in anyway.

No, they don't, because the law states that if it is posted no firearms, then they don't bring them in, or they don't enter the premises. Laws only apply to the law abiding. Something a stupid person like you can never understand.

Gun nuts don't care what the laws say, and never have.

Sure they do. If they break the law then they get their weapons taken away from them. That's the problem with idiots like you, you think law abiding citizens are just as bad as the criminals when the evidence shows the exact opposite. Why do you insist on making the lives of criminals easier? Why do you want women to be raped and murdered with no way to defend themselves?

Is it the only way you can get laid?

Guns don't protect women from rape, but the rapist can get a free gun out of the deal. A win-win for him.

Wow...a no hitter for you....guns are actually the best defense against rape....I'll get the studies....

That's funny because most rapes aren't even defendable with a gun as I have proven to you numerous times. The very drunk or high can't effectively use a gun. Children aren't allowed to have guns. Many rapes occur when both people are already naked and the woman decides to say no right before going all the way. Sorry guns aren't the answer to rape.

 

[Jarlaxle]

The gun of course. That's why half of all suicides use one. It takes time to die the other way and people change their minds given time.

So tell me. How exactly does someone who is passed out change their mind?
The method makes zero difference to someone who is intent on killing themselves.

The method makes a great deal of difference. The longer it takes and the harder it is the less often if happens.

So how long does it take to leap from a five story parking garage?

Quite a while actually. First you have to find one, then you have to get to the top, then you have to climb up and stand looking over the edge and decide to jump. Most don't but jumpers are the most serious suicides of all. You need balls to do that, and it takes a lot of planning. I've stood on the edge and jumped, with a bungee of course, just to see what it's like. One, and done.

So why is Japans suicide rate far greater than ours?
You're full of shit by the way. It takes just as long to get that gun,load it it and come to terms with the idea of blowing your brains out.
To tell you the truth the easiest way would be the fifth and the garage.

I often wonder how many single-vehicle motorcycle crashes are suicide...

 

[2aguy]

“The bill passed after lawmakers made concessions to law enforcement groups, who had been upset by an original provision that barred police from questioning people carrying guns if they have no other reason to stop them.

The final bill scrapped that language, meaning police will be able to ask Texans with handguns in plain sight if they have proper licenses.”

Texas Poised to Allow Open Carry of Handguns - ABC News

This is both troubling and problematic – openly carrying a handgun alone is not justification to be stopped by law enforcement and questioned.

“Just like the current concealed handgun law, the bill requires anyone wanting to openly carry a handgun to get a license. Applicants must be 21, pass a background check and receive classroom and shooting range instruction — although lawmakers have weakened those requirements since 2011.” ibid

This doesn't make any sense.

There is no reason to require a license to open carry – it's appropriate to require a license for concealed carry because to otherwise carry a concealed weapon is against the law in most states.

Texans already possess and carry handguns in their cars and on their persons – to and from shooting ranges, to and from shopping centers, to and from work, and to and from gun shops for sale or repair, absent licensing and training requirements; this clearly manifests an undue burden and should be challenged in court.

There is no reason to require a license to open carry – it's appropriate to require a license for concealed carry because to otherwise carry a concealed weapon is against the law in most states.

Actually moron, it is stupid for concealed carry to be illegal and to require a license for it.....

 

[2aguy]

No, they don't, because the law states that if it is posted no firearms, then they don't bring them in, or they don't enter the premises. Laws only apply to the law abiding. Something a stupid person like you can never understand.

Gun nuts don't care what the laws say, and never have.

Sure they do. If they break the law then they get their weapons taken away from them. That's the problem with idiots like you, you think law abiding citizens are just as bad as the criminals when the evidence shows the exact opposite. Why do you insist on making the lives of criminals easier? Why do you want women to be raped and murdered with no way to defend themselves?

Is it the only way you can get laid?

Guns don't protect women from rape, but the rapist can get a free gun out of the deal. A win-win for him.

Wow...a no hitter for you....guns are actually the best defense against rape....I'll get the studies....

That's funny because most rapes aren't even defendable with a gun as I have proven to you numerous times. The very drunk or high can't effectively use a gun. Children aren't allowed to have guns. Many rapes occur when both people are already naked and the woman decides to say no right before going all the way. Sorry guns aren't the answer to rape.

Yes....and there are rapes that are specifically stoppable with a gun......you know, the kind that happened to the woman in colorado...50 feet from the campus police station, the rapes on the Chicago trains here in my home state......Brain.....you are being silly again....

 

[Brain357]

I'm not dictating anything. I am simply calling out all the immature jerks who, now that they can no longer show their manhood by buying a Hummer, wear a phallic symbol on their hip, instead.

Seems like you are the immature one here, believing your sensibilities and preferences come before the liberties of others.

If you don't like open carrying in private places of business, don't do so. And if it really bothers you when others do so, than take your business elsewhere, it is pretty simple. You don't need to introduce the State to impose your personal preferences on others.

...as if I can take my business elsewhere in AZ, which allows open carry for everyone without a license. Speaking of which, AZ will still issue a concealed carry license if you want one, but it is such a joke, with virtually no training or knowledge required, that even Nevada no longer recognizes it in their state.

But, if you feel that your liberties are in danger because you might need your handgun back in the dairy aisle at Safeway, by all means, macho up, swagger back there, and boldly pick up the largest container of yogurt that they sell there! The Duke would be proud of ya!

Tell that to the people who were killed at Gabbys talkfest. All it would have taken is one CCW holder, in the audience, and the assault would have been terminated after one magazine was fired.

But no, you can never think that far.

It was stopped after one magazine and by unarmed people.

The gabby giffords shooter was stopped by pure dumb luck on the part of the unarmed people involved....if they hadn't been lucky though there were at least 2 concealed carriers there who were ready to stop the guy.....

The concealed carry owners said they would have shot the wrong person. It's too bad the shooter didn't have a smaller magazine, lives would have been saved. Luck is involved whenever a criminal is stopped. Your armed defenders are lucky the criminal decides not to kill them as they almost always have a chance to.

 

[2aguy]

Seems like you are the immature one here, believing your sensibilities and preferences come before the liberties of others.

If you don't like open carrying in private places of business, don't do so. And if it really bothers you when others do so, than take your business elsewhere, it is pretty simple. You don't need to introduce the State to impose your personal preferences on others.

...as if I can take my business elsewhere in AZ, which allows open carry for everyone without a license. Speaking of which, AZ will still issue a concealed carry license if you want one, but it is such a joke, with virtually no training or knowledge required, that even Nevada no longer recognizes it in their state.

But, if you feel that your liberties are in danger because you might need your handgun back in the dairy aisle at Safeway, by all means, macho up, swagger back there, and boldly pick up the largest container of yogurt that they sell there! The Duke would be proud of ya!

Tell that to the people who were killed at Gabbys talkfest. All it would have taken is one CCW holder, in the audience, and the assault would have been terminated after one magazine was fired.

But no, you can never think that far.

It was stopped after one magazine and by unarmed people.

The gabby giffords shooter was stopped by pure dumb luck on the part of the unarmed people involved....if they hadn't been lucky though there were at least 2 concealed carriers there who were ready to stop the guy.....

The concealed carry owners said they would have shot the wrong person. It's too bad the shooter didn't have a smaller magazine, lives would have been saved. Luck is involved whenever a criminal is stopped. Your armed defenders are lucky the criminal decides not to kill them as they almost always have a chance to.

No....you are lying again brain.....here...I'll get the actual accounts

 

[Brain357]

Gun nuts don't care what the laws say, and never have.

Sure they do. If they break the law then they get their weapons taken away from them. That's the problem with idiots like you, you think law abiding citizens are just as bad as the criminals when the evidence shows the exact opposite. Why do you insist on making the lives of criminals easier? Why do you want women to be raped and murdered with no way to defend themselves?

Is it the only way you can get laid?

Guns don't protect women from rape, but the rapist can get a free gun out of the deal. A win-win for him.

Wow...a no hitter for you....guns are actually the best defense against rape....I'll get the studies....

That's funny because most rapes aren't even defendable with a gun as I have proven to you numerous times. The very drunk or high can't effectively use a gun. Children aren't allowed to have guns. Many rapes occur when both people are already naked and the woman decides to say no right before going all the way. Sorry guns aren't the answer to rape.

Yes....and there are rapes that are specifically stoppable with a gun......you know, the kind that happened to the woman in colorado...50 feet from the campus police station, the rapes on the Chicago trains here in my home state......Brain.....you are being silly again....

Yes some small fraction of a percent of rapes.

 

[2aguy]

Seems like you are the immature one here, believing your sensibilities and preferences come before the liberties of others.

If you don't like open carrying in private places of business, don't do so. And if it really bothers you when others do so, than take your business elsewhere, it is pretty simple. You don't need to introduce the State to impose your personal preferences on others.

...as if I can take my business elsewhere in AZ, which allows open carry for everyone without a license. Speaking of which, AZ will still issue a concealed carry license if you want one, but it is such a joke, with virtually no training or knowledge required, that even Nevada no longer recognizes it in their state.

But, if you feel that your liberties are in danger because you might need your handgun back in the dairy aisle at Safeway, by all means, macho up, swagger back there, and boldly pick up the largest container of yogurt that they sell there! The Duke would be proud of ya!

Tell that to the people who were killed at Gabbys talkfest. All it would have taken is one CCW holder, in the audience, and the assault would have been terminated after one magazine was fired.

But no, you can never think that far.

It was stopped after one magazine and by unarmed people.

The gabby giffords shooter was stopped by pure dumb luck on the part of the unarmed people involved....if they hadn't been lucky though there were at least 2 concealed carriers there who were ready to stop the guy.....

The concealed carry owners said they would have shot the wrong person. It's too bad the shooter didn't have a smaller magazine, lives would have been saved. Luck is involved whenever a criminal is stopped. Your armed defenders are lucky the criminal decides not to kill them as they almost always have a chance to.

The Tucson Atrocity Joe Zamudio s StoryAmerican Handgunner American Handgunner

And from this...he wasn't tackled during a magazine change, he shot a guy, Bill Badger, and thought he killed him...he let badger get behind him and that is when he was tackled, then the old lady got the magazine after she laid on the ground in front of loughner trying to be a small target.....then he was tackled and literally fell at her feet...she did nothing to actually stop him...he fell right in front of her when she had completely given up trying to save herself.....


from the article...

And another point for you brain and for you bfgrn...the only reason they were able to wrestle him....just plain, stupid luck........otherwise, he would have reloaded and kept shooting...he missed this guy....

Joe adds, “Bill Badger was bleeding profusely from his head. He told me as Loughner was shooting everyone, (Loughner approached him and) pointed the gun at Bill’s head. Bill reflexively turned his head away, and when Loughner fired, the bullet took skin off down to the skull but did no real damage. Bill went down. When the gun stopped firing, Bill raised back up and Loughner was right in front of him. That was when the wrestling started.

Not rushing the guy during a magazine change brain, and Bfgrn...he thought the guy was dead....after he shot him...and let Bill Badger get behind him.......you are wrong again brain....

 

[2aguy]

Sure they do. If they break the law then they get their weapons taken away from them. That's the problem with idiots like you, you think law abiding citizens are just as bad as the criminals when the evidence shows the exact opposite. Why do you insist on making the lives of criminals easier? Why do you want women to be raped and murdered with no way to defend themselves?

Is it the only way you can get laid?

Guns don't protect women from rape, but the rapist can get a free gun out of the deal. A win-win for him.

Wow...a no hitter for you....guns are actually the best defense against rape....I'll get the studies....

That's funny because most rapes aren't even defendable with a gun as I have proven to you numerous times. The very drunk or high can't effectively use a gun. Children aren't allowed to have guns. Many rapes occur when both people are already naked and the woman decides to say no right before going all the way. Sorry guns aren't the answer to rape.

Yes....and there are rapes that are specifically stoppable with a gun......you know, the kind that happened to the woman in colorado...50 feet from the campus police station, the rapes on the Chicago trains here in my home state......Brain.....you are being silly again....

Yes some small fraction of a percent of rapes.

Yes some small fraction of a percent of rapes

Yes...I'm sure the women who used guns to stop their own rapes will agree with you brain that their rape would have been a small fraction of the overall number of rapes....and they would have felt so much better as they were getting the rape kit treatment and the AIDS test treatment after the rape to know that in the entirety of the rape victim world, their rape was such a tiny thing..............unless of course their bodies were dumped in a shallow grave in a National Park somewhere...

 

[Brain357]

...as if I can take my business elsewhere in AZ, which allows open carry for everyone without a license. Speaking of which, AZ will still issue a concealed carry license if you want one, but it is such a joke, with virtually no training or knowledge required, that even Nevada no longer recognizes it in their state.

But, if you feel that your liberties are in danger because you might need your handgun back in the dairy aisle at Safeway, by all means, macho up, swagger back there, and boldly pick up the largest container of yogurt that they sell there! The Duke would be proud of ya!

Tell that to the people who were killed at Gabbys talkfest. All it would have taken is one CCW holder, in the audience, and the assault would have been terminated after one magazine was fired.

But no, you can never think that far.

It was stopped after one magazine and by unarmed people.

The gabby giffords shooter was stopped by pure dumb luck on the part of the unarmed people involved....if they hadn't been lucky though there were at least 2 concealed carriers there who were ready to stop the guy.....

The concealed carry owners said they would have shot the wrong person. It's too bad the shooter didn't have a smaller magazine, lives would have been saved. Luck is involved whenever a criminal is stopped. Your armed defenders are lucky the criminal decides not to kill them as they almost always have a chance to.

No....you are lying again brain.....here...I'll get the actual accounts

I never lie.

It turned out that Zamudio actually pushed the holder of the gun into a wall, and thus came much closer to doing violence on an innocent man who had just taken the gun from Jared Loughner than even this description suggests. The potential for yet another innocent death was pretty high here. And a Wild West show with alternating bouts of gunfire seems like an extremely dangerous environment for bystanders.

Concealed Carrying Bystander Nearly Killed Innocent Man During Tucson Shooting Firedoglake

 

[Brain357]

Guns don't protect women from rape, but the rapist can get a free gun out of the deal. A win-win for him.

Wow...a no hitter for you....guns are actually the best defense against rape....I'll get the studies....

That's funny because most rapes aren't even defendable with a gun as I have proven to you numerous times. The very drunk or high can't effectively use a gun. Children aren't allowed to have guns. Many rapes occur when both people are already naked and the woman decides to say no right before going all the way. Sorry guns aren't the answer to rape.

Yes....and there are rapes that are specifically stoppable with a gun......you know, the kind that happened to the woman in colorado...50 feet from the campus police station, the rapes on the Chicago trains here in my home state......Brain.....you are being silly again....

Yes some small fraction of a percent of rapes.

Yes some small fraction of a percent of rapes

Yes...I'm sure the women who used guns to stop their own rapes will agree with you brain that their rape would have been a small fraction of the overall number of rapes....and they would have felt so much better as they were getting the rape kit treatment and the AIDS test treatment after the rape to know that in the entirety of the rape victim world, their rape was such a tiny thing..............unless of course their bodies were dumped in a shallow grave in a National Park somewhere...

Stopping a tiny fraction of a percent of rapes isn't the answer. Sorry.

 

[Brain357]

...as if I can take my business elsewhere in AZ, which allows open carry for everyone without a license. Speaking of which, AZ will still issue a concealed carry license if you want one, but it is such a joke, with virtually no training or knowledge required, that even Nevada no longer recognizes it in their state.

But, if you feel that your liberties are in danger because you might need your handgun back in the dairy aisle at Safeway, by all means, macho up, swagger back there, and boldly pick up the largest container of yogurt that they sell there! The Duke would be proud of ya!

Tell that to the people who were killed at Gabbys talkfest. All it would have taken is one CCW holder, in the audience, and the assault would have been terminated after one magazine was fired.

But no, you can never think that far.

It was stopped after one magazine and by unarmed people.

The gabby giffords shooter was stopped by pure dumb luck on the part of the unarmed people involved....if they hadn't been lucky though there were at least 2 concealed carriers there who were ready to stop the guy.....

The concealed carry owners said they would have shot the wrong person. It's too bad the shooter didn't have a smaller magazine, lives would have been saved. Luck is involved whenever a criminal is stopped. Your armed defenders are lucky the criminal decides not to kill them as they almost always have a chance to.

The Tucson Atrocity Joe Zamudio s StoryAmerican Handgunner American Handgunner

And from this...he wasn't tackled during a magazine change, he shot a guy, Bill Badger, and thought he killed him...he let badger get behind him and that is when he was tackled, then the old lady got the magazine after she laid on the ground in front of loughner trying to be a small target.....then he was tackled and literally fell at her feet...she did nothing to actually stop him...he fell right in front of her when she had completely given up trying to save herself.....


from the article...

And another point for you brain and for you bfgrn...the only reason they were able to wrestle him....just plain, stupid luck........otherwise, he would have reloaded and kept shooting...he missed this guy....

Joe adds, “Bill Badger was bleeding profusely from his head. He told me as Loughner was shooting everyone, (Loughner approached him and) pointed the gun at Bill’s head. Bill reflexively turned his head away, and when Loughner fired, the bullet took skin off down to the skull but did no real damage. Bill went down. When the gun stopped firing, Bill raised back up and Loughner was right in front of him. That was when the wrestling started.

Not rushing the guy during a magazine change brain, and Bfgrn...he thought the guy was dead....after he shot him...and let Bill Badger get behind him.......you are wrong again brain....

You keep saying that yet it keeps happening.

 

[Brain357]

...as if I can take my business elsewhere in AZ, which allows open carry for everyone without a license. Speaking of which, AZ will still issue a concealed carry license if you want one, but it is such a joke, with virtually no training or knowledge required, that even Nevada no longer recognizes it in their state.

But, if you feel that your liberties are in danger because you might need your handgun back in the dairy aisle at Safeway, by all means, macho up, swagger back there, and boldly pick up the largest container of yogurt that they sell there! The Duke would be proud of ya!

Tell that to the people who were killed at Gabbys talkfest. All it would have taken is one CCW holder, in the audience, and the assault would have been terminated after one magazine was fired.

But no, you can never think that far.

It was stopped after one magazine and by unarmed people.

The gabby giffords shooter was stopped by pure dumb luck on the part of the unarmed people involved....if they hadn't been lucky though there were at least 2 concealed carriers there who were ready to stop the guy.....

The concealed carry owners said they would have shot the wrong person. It's too bad the shooter didn't have a smaller magazine, lives would have been saved. Luck is involved whenever a criminal is stopped. Your armed defenders are lucky the criminal decides not to kill them as they almost always have a chance to.

The Tucson Atrocity Joe Zamudio s StoryAmerican Handgunner American Handgunner

And from this...he wasn't tackled during a magazine change, he shot a guy, Bill Badger, and thought he killed him...he let badger get behind him and that is when he was tackled, then the old lady got the magazine after she laid on the ground in front of loughner trying to be a small target.....then he was tackled and literally fell at her feet...she did nothing to actually stop him...he fell right in front of her when she had completely given up trying to save herself.....


from the article...

And another point for you brain and for you bfgrn...the only reason they were able to wrestle him....just plain, stupid luck........otherwise, he would have reloaded and kept shooting...he missed this guy....

Joe adds, “Bill Badger was bleeding profusely from his head. He told me as Loughner was shooting everyone, (Loughner approached him and) pointed the gun at Bill’s head. Bill reflexively turned his head away, and when Loughner fired, the bullet took skin off down to the skull but did no real damage. Bill went down. When the gun stopped firing, Bill raised back up and Loughner was right in front of him. That was when the wrestling started.

Not rushing the guy during a magazine change brain, and Bfgrn...he thought the guy was dead....after he shot him...and let Bill Badger get behind him.......you are wrong again brain....

More proof you are wrong from your article.

Zamudio continued, “I reached into my pocket, put my hand on my pistol, took the safety off, and ran down the sidewalk (toward the shooting scene). That’s when I saw a group of people wrestling with (Loughner). The first thing I focused on was the man closest to me. His back was to me. He raised up with a Glock in his hand, open, magazine sticking out. In that second I decided that because the gun was open, I didn’t have to shoot him. I immediately grabbed him by the wrist, turned the gun in toward him, told him to drop the weapon. He did.

“Even as he was dropping the gun, everyone yelled, ‘It’s not him, it’s not him!’ I said, ‘Put it down.’ I was hearing people yell, ‘I’ll kill you, you motherf***er, I’ll kill you.’ When the man dropped the gun I said, ‘Put your foot on it, make us all feel safe,’ and he did. This turned out to be Roger Sulzgeber, one of my personal heroes. He and Bill Badger had grabbed Loughner and pulled him to the ground. Apparently the gun had jammed, either misfired or didn’t feed, and Loughner was trying to reload again when they grabbed him. There was an empty mag on ground, a full one that mis-fed in the gun, and another full magazine Patricia Maisch got away from him.”