Tesla Semi

[Old Rocks]

Oh yes, and also;



1.9 seconds 0-60 4.2 seconds 0-100 top end 250+ mph range 620 miles

Something to relax in after a day of driving that semi.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Is there a way to get from Dothan to Baltimore without driving 500 miles?

Why yes! Plane!

 

[Old Rocks]

Don't count on any military contracts, just sayin'.

"Maximum 500 mile range". It is teh funny!

Don't count on any real truck drivers purchasing.

Just sayin' that you are full of shit. Plenty of use for the military for that truck in the states.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Don't count on any military contracts, just sayin'.

"Maximum 500 mile range". It is teh funny!

Don't count on any real truck drivers purchasing.

Just sayin' that you are full of shit. Plenty of use for the military for that truck in the states.

Yeah, umm, that thing's not making it from Quantico to Fort Irwin, no sir! Not by a long shot.

 

[Old Rocks]

You mean that the present semi's make that trip without stopping anywhere along the way? LOL

 

[Marion Morrison]

Forget Tesla! I can make a truck with a motorcycle engine and gears! 50 mpg baby!

Hey yeah, why is they don't use a little diesel and large electric motor for OTR hauling?

They do with trains.

 

[Zander]

The problem is not that these are electric cars, it is that Tesla really doesn't know how to build a vehicle.

Since over 90% of the buyers of Tesla's state they would buy another one, looks to me as if Tesla is building a pretty good car. But then, 'Conservatives' cannot stand the idea of an American car, built in America, being one of the best and most popular cars in the world.

Stop projecting your own hatred on to me, I think electric cars are terrific.

I just see the handwriting on the wall. Businesses need to be PROFITABLE to survive.

 

[jon_berzerk]

neat but has a lot of challenges to overcome

a diesel on a single tank gets around 900 miles as one problem to overcome

sounds like it cant hitch up the traditional trailer which would render it almost useless

another hurtle to overcome

sounded like in the article they do not have a scale model as of yet

i million mile warranty sound good though

however many diesel cabs can get a several year and million mile warranty

 

[jon_berzerk]

The problem is not that these are electric cars, it is that Tesla really doesn't know how to build a vehicle.

Since over 90% of the buyers of Tesla's state they would buy another one, looks to me as if Tesla is building a pretty good car. But then, 'Conservatives' cannot stand the idea of an American car, built in America, being one of the best and most popular cars in the world.

Stop projecting your own hatred on to me, I think electric cars are terrific.

I just see the handwriting on the wall. Businesses need to be PROFITABLE to survive.

neat idea lots of hurtles to overcome

 

[mamooth]

learned today from a dot guy you can’t use water on a tesla car fire.

This article says the opposite.

Tesla Model S fire vs 35 firefighters – watch impressive operation after a high-speed crash
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“If the high voltage battery catches fire, is exposed to high heat, or is bent, twisted, cracked, or breached in any way, use large amounts of water to cool the battery. DO NOT extinguish with a small amount of water. Always establish or request an additional water supply.”
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I said what do you use then? Something that takes oxygen out of the air? Hope you aren’t caught in an overturned tesla vehicle on fire.

Check the article. The battery fire ... didn't spread beyond the front of the battery. But hey, that's just the real world. How can it compare to internet rumors?

 

[mamooth]

a diesel on a single tank gets around 900 miles as one problem to overcome

But only 20% of the fleet goes more than 250 miles a day. The other 80% makes a circuit around the local area, and then parks in the company yard overnight, where they can be charged.

Nobody said the current Tesla Semi or something similar can replace every semi. Just 80% of them.

 

[jon_berzerk]

a diesel on a single tank gets around 900 miles as one problem to overcome

But only 20% of the fleet goes more than 250 miles a day. The other 80% makes a circuit around the local area, and then parks in the company yard overnight, where they can be charged.

Nobody said the current Tesla Semi or something similar can replace every semi. Just 80% of them.

But only 20% of the fleet goes more than 250 miles a day.

--LOL

any self respecting operator who want to make any kind of a living

will go 500 + a day

--LOL

Nobody said the current Tesla Semi or something similar can replace every semi. Just 80% of them.


im not knocking the electric

but you are not even close

--L<OL

 

[Shrimpbox]

You know big tooth, you are right. Copious quantities of water. 35 firefighters, eight vehicles, and expensive and extensive respiratory gear paid for by the taxpayers. Evs are more dangerous, more expensive to prepare for, and much more toxic to first responders. If you just read a little farther you would have known this but I realize that is not your skill set.


Putting out a Tesla Model S fire is pretty hard

 

[Shrimpbox]

Oh my, another reason to own one of these world saving cars. You get to pay higher insurance rates. The con continues.
https://jalopnik.com/aaa-raises-insurance-rates-on-tesla-vehicles-1795814904

 

[Old Rocks]

Well now, since many models of the Tesla have the performance of high end sports cars at highway speeds, they will have the same kind of insurance problems as those cars.

 

[Shrimpbox]

Due to a high frequency of claims and costly repairs........

You didn’t even read the link did you rocks? I know you are so smart you don’t have to.

 

[Slash]

a diesel on a single tank gets around 900 miles as one problem to overcome

But only 20% of the fleet goes more than 250 miles a day. The other 80% makes a circuit around the local area, and then parks in the company yard overnight, where they can be charged.

Nobody said the current Tesla Semi or something similar can replace every semi. Just 80% of them.

But only 20% of the fleet goes more than 250 miles a day.

--LOL

any self respecting operator who want to make any kind of a living

will go 500 + a day

--LOL

Nobody said the current Tesla Semi or something similar can replace every semi. Just 80% of them.


im not knocking the electric

but you are not even close

--L<OL

Not really. I know a LOT of drivers who'd prefer not to be over the road. They do routes to local farms or stores and enjoy being home every night.

500 miles is a bit above average for a day as it is. Remember it's not all doing 65 on the highway. There's pickup, city driving, bathroom breaks. With the 70 hour a week restriction, 3000 miles a week is about the max any company will expect out of their drivers. 2500 is more realistic (350ish a day). Really the only people I see getting slowed down is team drivers.

Of course Tesla also showed off their mega charger. 400 miles in a half hour charge. So that kind of ends that worry right there.

 

[Slash]

Here is a chart of Tesla's losses each year. In 2017 their losses will exceed $800 million as well....They lost $620 million in the 3rd quarter of 2017 alone.

The bigger problem is once BMW, MBZ, Audi, Ford etc, start building electric cars, Tesla is done. Those people know how to build a car.

You do realize Ford, GM, and Chrysler each lost more than Tesla's entire existance in a single quarter before right? GM lost 15.5 BILLION in a single quarter. Like 6 times more than Tesla ever has.. in 3 months. And GM didn't lose it by re-investing and growing their product.

Amazon.. First profitable year was 2003. 9 years after he started up because he wanted to grow rather than profit. Egghead had the idea. They closed all their retail stores, went online only, and made a pile of cash in the 90's. Amazon instead focused on growth over profit.

Turner broadcasting. Started in the 70's. 1991 was the first year for them in the black. They focused for over a decade on spending to improve their product, gain new shows, build their empire.

Fed Ex. Took 5 years to have a single profitable month.

Tupperware, Google, Twitter. Look at the companies that start out looking at growth and reinvestment rather than making a quick buck. Those are the ones that truly become huge.

Sure, Netflix could be competing with Blockbuster still doing their mail order DVD's. Instead they went deep in the red for a number of years building up their streaming service. Blockbuster content with profits invested very little into anything to move the company forward.

Same with McDonalds. When they were in their expansion phase, they were losing piles of cash. They were taking out loans and hemorrhaging money as they were in every town buying up the busiest piece of commercial property.

That's the thing. Companies that keep it small, take a great idea and rather than reinvest on it look to make the quick buck, usually don't last.

Companies like Blackberry and Myspace can sit back and make a ton of money by coming up with a great idea. But ones like Facebook, Apple and Samsung are the ones that continually reinvest and improve upon that great idea.

 

[Slash]

If Tesla's goal was make a quick profit they could have. Back a few years ago when the best electric cars were getting barely 60 miles of range, instead of making the Model S with over 200 miles, he could have passed on the high end. Made a little car, ignore future tech and infrastructure and made something with 100-120 mile range and sell it for a profit.

Instead he pushed not only to become a leader in electric batteries, but electric motors, charging methods, self driving, wirelessly updating the vehicle, etc. And then when the new Bolt with longer range came out, he could bow out, sell off his trademarks and retire and be out of the game.

He made it where the big car companies now have their hand forced. Do they keep just investing a little bit into EV's and fall behind? Or do they go to their board and stock owners and say "I know we lost you guys all a PILE of money 10 years ago, but we have to spend a pile right now to go full bore into this EV investment or we will be left behind in the long run if we want to stay competitive in that market".

 

[Zander]

Here is a chart of Tesla's losses each year. In 2017 their losses will exceed $800 million as well....They lost $620 million in the 3rd quarter of 2017 alone.

The bigger problem is once BMW, MBZ, Audi, Ford etc, start building electric cars, Tesla is done. Those people know how to build a car.

You do realize Ford, GM, and Chrysler each lost more than Tesla's entire existance in a single quarter before right? GM lost 15.5 BILLION in a single quarter. Like 6 times more than Tesla ever has.. in 3 months. And GM didn't lose it by re-investing and growing their product.

Amazon.. First profitable year was 2003. 9 years after he started up because he wanted to grow rather than profit. Egghead had the idea. They closed all their retail stores, went online only, and made a pile of cash in the 90's. Amazon instead focused on growth over profit.

Turner broadcasting. Started in the 70's. 1991 was the first year for them in the black. They focused for over a decade on spending to improve their product, gain new shows, build their empire.

Fed Ex. Took 5 years to have a single profitable month.

Tupperware, Google, Twitter. Look at the companies that start out looking at growth and reinvestment rather than making a quick buck. Those are the ones that truly become huge.

Sure, Netflix could be competing with Blockbuster still doing their mail order DVD's. Instead they went deep in the red for a number of years building up their streaming service. Blockbuster content with profits invested very little into anything to move the company forward.

Same with McDonalds. When they were in their expansion phase, they were losing piles of cash. They were taking out loans and hemorrhaging money as they were in every town buying up the busiest piece of commercial property.

That's the thing. Companies that keep it small, take a great idea and rather than reinvest on it look to make the quick buck, usually don't last.

Companies like Blackberry and Myspace can sit back and make a ton of money by coming up with a great idea. But ones like Facebook, Apple and Samsung are the ones that continually reinvest and improve upon that great idea.

We shall see.

At this point, they can't deliver their promised vehicles or any profit.

At some point, the tax incentives are going to go away, and unless they make $$$$$ , investors are going to bale.