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xen said:Well thankyou!...
by you saying im full of shit, this just means that my view is radically different from yours! IM EXTREMELY greatful to be the opposite of everything you stand for.
:teeth:
xen said:Well thanks! I AM a punk ass, and I WILL FUCK YOUR MOTHER!!
Your logic is flawed though!
Believe it or not, there are MANY troops that believe something is wrong with what they are doing. They are glad someone supports them back home.
Like when they take a city away from insurgents, their buddies getting killed, only to have to retake the same areas again and again.
Or when you are patroling the streets looking for terrorists, and you are suspecting every person single man, woman, and child of being a suicide bomber.
Furthermore I believe that Bush supporters are not supporting the troops, by not finding the truth, AND putting the idea into the troop's heads that there are large groups of americans who dont support them back home.
YOU ARE THE ONLY ONES SAYING THIS< ITS YOUR FAULT!
"You're a punkass motherfucker." rtwngAvngr
xen said:Thanks for your opinion Abbey.
But he said it to ME.
Nuc said:Hey xen! You WON. You kicked everybody's ass, big time! Now start on a different topic.
xen said:Well thanks! I AM a punk ass, and I WILL FUCK YOUR MOTHER!!
Your logic is flawed though!
Believe it or not, there are MANY troops that believe something is wrong with what they are doing. They are glad someone supports them back home.
Like when they take a city away from insurgents, their buddies getting killed, only to have to retake the same areas again and again.
Or when you are patroling the streets looking for terrorists, and you are suspecting every person single man, woman, and child of being a suicide bomber.
xen Your logic is flawed though!
Believe it or not, there are MANY troops that believe something is wrong with what they are doing. They are glad someone supports them back home.
Like when they take a city away from insurgents, their buddies getting killed, only to have to retake the same areas again and again.
Or when you are patroling the streets looking for terrorists, and you are suspecting every person single man, woman, and child of being a suicide bomber.
xen said:Bonnie,
You're right, there is nothing immoral about what our troops are doing, they gotta do every they can to protect themselves...if that includes retaking cities, an infinite amount of times , or shooting up cars full of innocent people, because they are too stupid to stop at a checkpoint. Thats not our troop's fault.
Its the nature of this type of war.
Where we part, is that I believe certain people want this war to be never-ending. Because it serves many many useful perposes, besides gettin rid of the terrorists.
Ugly baby face lookin dude, there are thousands and thousands of troops that disagree with the war.
If you don't believe so, you need a reality check.
Kathianne said:And you have links to the multitude of military that think Iraq was the wrong war?
For Marines, a Frustrating Fight
Some in Iraq Question How and Why War Is Being Waged
By Steve Fainaru
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, October 10, 2004; Page A01
ISKANDARIYAH, Iraq -- Scrawled on the helmet of Lance Cpl. Carlos Perez are the letters FDNY. After the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York, the Pentagon and western Pennsylvania, Perez quit school, left his job as a firefighter in Long Island, N.Y., and joined the U.S. Marine Corps.
"To be honest, I just wanted to take revenge," said Perez, 20.
Pfc. Kyle Maio, 19, spots Lance Cpl. Carlos Perez, 20. Maio said he thinks U.S. officials are not being candid about Iraq because of upcoming U.S. elections. (Steve Fainaru -- The Washington Post)
service members who have died in Iraq since the beginning of the war.
Now, two months into a seven-month combat tour in Iraq, Perez said he sees little connection between the events of Sept. 11 and the war he is fighting. Instead, he said, he is increasingly disillusioned by a conflict whose origins remain unclear and frustrated by the timidity of U.S. forces against a mostly faceless enemy.
"Sometimes I see no reason why we're here," Perez said. "First of all, you cannot engage as many times as we want to. Second of all, we're looking for an enemy that's not there. The only way to do it is go house to house until we get out of here."
Perez is hardly alone. In a dozen interviews, Marines from a platoon known as the "81s" expressed in blunt terms their frustrations with the way the war is being conducted and, in some cases, doubts about why it is being waged. The platoon, named for the size in millimeters of its mortar rounds, is part of the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment based in Iskandariyah, 30 miles southwest of Baghdad.
The Marines offered their opinions openly to a reporter traveling with the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marines during operations last week in Babil province, then expanded upon them during interviews over three days in their barracks at Camp Iskandariyah, their forward operating base.
The Marines' opinions have been shaped by their participation in hundreds of hours of operations over the past two months. Their assessments differ sharply from those of the interim Iraqi government and the Bush administration, which have said that Iraq is on a certain -- if bumpy -- course toward peaceful democracy.
"I feel we're going to be here for years and years and years," said Lance Cpl. Edward Elston, 22, of Hackettstown, N.J. "I don't think anything is going to get better; I think it's going to get a lot worse. It's going to be like a Palestinian-type deal. We're going to stop being a policing presence and then start being an occupying presence. . . . We're always going to be here. We're never going to leave."
The views of the mortar platoon of some 50 young Marines, several of whom fought during the first phase of the war last year, are not necessarily reflective of all or even most U.S troops fighting in Iraq. Rather, they offer a snapshot of the frustrations engendered by a grinding conflict that has killed 1,064 Americans, wounded 7,730 and spread to many areas of the country.
Although not as highly publicized as attacks in such hot spots as Fallujah, Samarra and Baghdad's Sadr City, the violence in Babil province, south of the capital, is also intense. Since July 28, when the Marines took over operational responsibility for the region, 102 of the unit's 1,100 troops have been wounded, 85 in combat, according to battalion records. Four have been killed, two in combat.
Senior officers attribute the vast difference between the number of killed and wounded to the effectiveness of armor -- bullet-proof vests, helmets and reinforced armored vehicles, primarily Humvees -- in the face of persistent attacks. As of last week, the Marines had come upon 61 roadside bombs, nearly one a day. Forty-nine had detonated. Camp Iskandariyah was hit by mortar shells or rockets on 12 occasions; 21 other times, insurgents tried to hit the base and missed.
Realities on the Ground
Several members of the platoon said they were struck by the difference between the way the war was being portrayed in the United States and the reality of their daily lives.
"Every day you read the articles in the States where it's like, 'Oh, it's getting better and better,' " said Lance Cpl. Jonathan Snyder, 22, of Gettysburg, Pa. "But when you're here, you know it's worse every day."
Pfc. Kyle Maio, 19, of Bucks County, Pa., said he thought government officials were reticent to speak candidly because of the upcoming U.S. elections. "Stuff's going on here but they won't flat-out say it," he said. "They can't get into it."
xen said:Well thanks! I AM a punk ass, and I WILL FUCK YOUR MOTHER!!
Your logic is flawed though!
Believe it or not, there are MANY troops that believe something is wrong with what they are doing. They are glad someone supports them back home.
Like when they take a city away from insurgents, their buddies getting killed, only to have to retake the same areas again and again.
Or when you are patroling the streets looking for terrorists, and you are suspecting every person single man, woman, and child of being a suicide bomber.
Furthermore I believe that Bush supporters are not supporting the troops, by not finding the truth, AND putting the idea into the troop's heads that there are large groups of americans who dont support them back home.
YOU ARE THE ONLY ONES SAYING THIS< ITS YOUR FAULT!
You would be correct if we were actually making america safer for future generations.You 're saying that in your mind they're dying for no good reason. That's offensive, whether you intend it to be or not. Here people are laying down their lives to make future generations of america safer, and you think it's for no good reason. You're a punk*** m*********.
xen said:If you want more i can supply it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20794-2004Oct9.html
Xen said:Terrorism is not a threat to our survival.
