Tell me liberals .. Why is it racist to ask for an ID for voting but not for

[thereisnospoon]

I don't see a problem with asking for an ID when your ballot is cast.

I do. What if you dont have one?

Then they can get one free of charge. That's the law.
And they are very easy to get.
There are other kinds of acceptable ID as well. Utility bills. Pay stubs. Birth certificates. Passports. Military ID's. Student ID's( with photo and date of birth)...
Everyone has ID... No excuses. If a person is registered to vote, they had to have an ID to register. Where is it?

 

[thereisnospoon]

I don't see a problem with asking for an ID when your ballot is cast.

I do. What if you dont have one?

Voter registration card works...

Depends on your location. Also what if you lose that? You cant go back and vote after the fact.

Go get another one.
These excuses are nonsense.

 

[thereisnospoon]

OH state ID:
$8.50, good for 4 years. $2.125 per year.
Procedure and acceptable documentation:
ODPS BMV State Identification Card
ODPS BMV Acceptable Identification Documents
So much for the inane "undue burden" argument.

Sure Bubba, because it's NOT like the poor live right next to the DMV and can just pop over on their 3 martini lunch right?

Are you saying the poor cannot afford alcohol? And, the last time I checked, the DMV is not usually located in the ritzy parts of town.

Your argument has gone from being simply wrong (there is no racism if everyone is held to the same standard) to offensive (as if Hispanics and blacks are too intellectually or financially challenged to afford something that is free) to buffoonery at it's zenith (now, it's because they are blue collar workers by and large?).

A bit of advice "bubba"...quit while you are behind.

Alcohol? What nonsense is that about?

You brought it up *3 martini lunch*

Sorry Bubba, ANOTHER epic fail from the "moderate".
AGAIN

You're becoming tiresome. You've been blown out of the water every time you've opened your mouth on this subject.

As a fellow liberal, I usually am in the market for other points of view from the left; Lord knows there are way too few on this board. But you've really gone off the deep end. I'm not sure what your particular strain of dementia is but cutting and pasting cherry-picked information is not helping your case. It's pretty much what lead us into Iraq if you recall...

And, yes, you too sound like a ******* idiot.

Time to put you on ignore <plink>.

Don't know what sarcasm is with the 3 martini lunch bit when your poor Bubba? I'm shocked you are NEVER honest, from a "moderate" no less, lol


"fellow liberal;"

lmaorog

fukking moron

So this is how you libs react when one of your own dares to stray off the reservation?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not sure why you need an i.d. to vote .

So YOU can't walk in to the polling place and lie about being a registered voter OR say you are me and vote MY legal registration. The ONLY POSSIBLE reason not to require valid ID is so YOU can cheat the system.

What did they do before ID?

Who cares.. We live in a different world now...

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not sure why you need an i.d. to vote .

So YOU can't walk in to the polling place and lie about being a registered voter OR say you are me and vote MY legal registration. The ONLY POSSIBLE reason not to require valid ID is so YOU can cheat the system.

What did they do before ID?

Chicago style elections....Vote early and often

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not sure why you need an i.d. to vote .

So YOU can't walk in to the polling place and lie about being a registered voter OR say you are me and vote MY legal registration. The ONLY POSSIBLE reason not to require valid ID is so YOU can cheat the system.

What did they do before ID?

The Ds voted early and often.

So george washington was the result of voter fraud?

Ok....You just ran out of gas.
Park it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I don't see a problem with asking for an ID when your ballot is cast.

97 Year-Old Woman Denied The Right To Vote Because Of Voter ID

93-Year Old Veteran Denied the Right to Vote Thanks to Texas GOP’s Voter ID Law
93-Year Old Veteran Denied the Right to Vote Thanks to Texas GOP s Voter ID Law Americans Against the Tea Party

96-year-old Chattanooga resident denied voting ID

96-year-old Chattanooga resident denied voting ID Local News Times Free Press




New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed

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  • In-person voter-impersonation fraud is rare. The database shows 207 cases of other types of fraud for every case of voter impersonation. “The fraud that matters is the fraud that is organized. That's why voter impersonation is practically non-existent because it is difficult to do and it is difficult to pull people into conspiracies to do it,” said Lorraine Minnite, professor of public policy and administration at Rutgers University.
  • There is more fraud in absentee ballots and voter registration than any other categories. The analysis shows 491 cases of absentee ballot fraud and 400 cases of registration fraud. A required photo ID at the polls would not have prevented these cases.
    
    New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed - Investigations

The larger font doesn't help you to escape the

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not sure why you need an i.d. to vote .

So YOU can't walk in to the polling place and lie about being a registered voter OR say you are me and vote MY legal registration. The ONLY POSSIBLE reason not to require valid ID is so YOU can cheat the system.

What did they do before ID?

The Ds voted early and often.

The irony is, the fraud Republicans are worried about is imaginary, while the real-world fraud is coming from their side of the political divide.



8 Kentucky Republicans Convicted Of Extortion, Vote Buying & Selling, Tampering With Voting Machines

8 Kentucky Republicans Convicted Of Extortion Vote Buying Selling Tampering With Voting Machines - Democratic Underground



December 07, 2011

Conviction in GOP voter-suppression scheme

Paul E. Schurick, the 2010 campaign manager for former Maryland governor Robert L. Ehrlich Jr., was convicted Tuesday by a Baltimore jury of four counts stemming from a robocall that prosecutors said was intended to suppress the black vote.


Fortunately, other members of the former Republican governor’s team will also stand trial for their role.

Conviction in GOP voter-suppression scheme Political Animal The Washington Monthly

Wow...You are really reaching here.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not sure why you need an i.d. to vote .

The state has a compelling interest to make sure the person at the polls is who we says he is.
The least restrictive means to this end is a state-issued photo ID.

Is there some epidemic of someone impersonating others at the voting booth I'm unaware of, the only type of fraud that voter ID's stop??

New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed - Investigations

For example.....Texas Court Halts State Attempt to Purge Voters as Dead - Bloomberg Business
Florida just got through fighting a legal battle to purge deceased people and those illegally registered to vote.
If ONE person casts a fraudulent vote, the integrity of the system is injured.
Just as the State has a compelling interest in insuring that every person who is eligible to vote has that opportunity, the State also has a compelling interest in insuring the integrity of the vote is secure.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not sure why you need an i.d. to vote .

The state has a compelling interest to make sure the person at the polls is who we says he is.
The least restrictive means to this end is a state-issued photo ID.

Sounds like a poll tax to me. Trying to bring back Jim Crow huh?

ID's are FREE....That's the law.

 

[thereisnospoon]

"Now many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome — good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." Paul Weyrich, "father" of the right-wing movement and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation

How many times are you going to refer to that?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not sure why you need an i.d. to vote .

The state has a compelling interest to make sure the person at the polls is who we says he is.
The least restrictive means to this end is a state-issued photo ID.

Yea if they wanna issue them to every single person free of charge, go for it. Then there'd be no issue.

Every state offers multi-year state IDs for a nominal charge -- thus, there's no excuse to not have one.

We dont need an excuse. The right to vote without an ID is not in question

It isn't?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not sure why you need an i.d. to vote .

The state has a compelling interest to make sure the person at the polls is who we says he is.
The least restrictive means to this end is a state-issued photo ID.

Yea if they wanna issue them to every single person free of charge, go for it. Then there'd be no issue.

Every state offers multi-year state IDs for a nominal charge -- thus, there's no excuse to not have one.

CONServatives ALWAYS for a bigger, more intrusive Gov't when not needed!

Study: Voter ID laws hit minorities

Study Voter ID laws hit minorities - Associated Press - POLITICO.com



Studies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID. That percentage is even higher for seniors, people of color, people with disabilities, low-income voters, and students. Many citizens find it hard to get government photo IDs, because the underlying documentation like birth certificates (the ID one needs to get ID) is often difficult or expensive to come by. At the same time, voter ID policies are far more costly to implement than many assume. Instead, Improvements in voting technology and modernization of our voter registration system will both increase efficiency and close the door on mistakes and fraud.


Voter ID Brennan Center for Justice





Voter photo ID laws are particularly costly and burdensome for women in part because roughly 90 percent of women change their legal name upon marriage or divorce. According to the Brennan Center, 11 percent of eligible voters do not have a government-issued photo ID, and only 48 percent of voting-age women have a birth certificate that accurately reflects their current name.

The story of 78-year-old Alberta Currie offers just one example of the suppressive nature of photo ID laws. Currie, who is the great-granddaughter of a slave, was born in North Carolina by a midwife and lacks a birth certificate. As a result, she cannot obtain a voter photo ID, which North Carolina is seeking to require to voteas early as its 2014 midterm elections. For Currie, and the thousands of voters like her, the steps to update or acquire a voter photo ID are far from easy. The onerous process can require travelling to a local government office – a particularly difficult task for rural or disabled voters – and shelling out money for the necessary documentation, such as an original copy of a birth certificate or marriage verification documents. Even though government-issued voter photo IDs are meant to be free, the fees associated with acquiring them creates a heavy tax – particularly for women, a population that is already economically disadvantaged and overwhelmingly more likely to live in poverty than men.

How Voter ID Laws Disproportionately Impact Women And What We re Doing About It League of Women Voters

Politico is a lefty wing blog.....
Lets take the old lady in NC......Ok, in order to become registered to vote, one would have had to present an ID....So where is it?
BTW, EVERY live birth in State of NC is recorded by the county Register of Deeds or County Clerk....There IS a record.
The way this thing is written makes is so blatantly obvious that the writer has a HUGE left wing bias.
Look, unless one is incapacitated, in which case they could not vote anyway, they can go obtain an ID.
For example....I did a job at this older guy's house. He lived on a large tract of family land. This guy told me he has NEVER been outside the county of his residence. He has never had a drivers license. I asked him how got around. He told me one of his kids or grandkids would take him to where ever he needed to go.
He lived way out in the country. A good 20 miles from the nearest town.
The excuses and whiny shit in that politico article is just a bunch of lame nonsense.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Another Elderly Woman Gets Caught in GOP s War on Voting BillMoyers.com

Watch all these old ass posters start defending it when its not about blacks.

"Well, you know since my trifocals got lost at Bingo its hard for me to make it down to the DMV"

Old Dummycraps....we on the right don't condone this sort of thing from anyone. You libs do because you're desperate.

Sure Bubba, sure. WHY the increase in voted ID laws again when Dubya's DOJ looked at 300+ million votes and prosecuted ZERO for using another ID? lol

Assuming you're not full of shit....but what makes you think that was Bush's job?????

My understanding was voter fraud is more a local issue. Bush had enough on his plate.

In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud


The Real Fraud in “Voter Fraud”
How so-called reform laws aim to disenfranchise voters

Scholars confirm what the Bush Justice Department found—little evidence that voter fraud exists. More than anything else, voter fraud is a myth (see Justin Levitt, “The Truth about Voter Fraud,” Brennan Center for Justice, accessed on July 11, 2012). Lorraine C. Minnite, a public policy professor and a national expert on voter fraud, demonstrates in The Myth of Voter Fraud (Cornell University Press, 2010), that “voter fraud is a politically manufactured myth (p. 6).”

It is difficult to argue that the voter restrictions proposed in swing states like Florida and Pennsylvania are anything other than a ploy to suppress voting by people of color and the poor. First, Republicans have sponsored nearly all of the bills passed that would restrict voter registration

The Real Fraud in Voter Fraud Jesuit Social Research Institute Loyola University New Orleans

New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed - Investigations

This is proof positive that something needs to be done before the system is compromised.
Why wait until the horse runs away before one locks the barn door?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Watch all these old ass posters start defending it when its not about blacks.

"Well, you know since my trifocals got lost at Bingo its hard for me to make it down to the DMV"

Old Dummycraps....we on the right don't condone this sort of thing from anyone. You libs do because you're desperate.

Sure Bubba, sure. WHY the increase in voted ID laws again when Dubya's DOJ looked at 300+ million votes and prosecuted ZERO for using another ID? lol

Assuming you're not full of shit....but what makes you think that was Bush's job?????

My understanding was voter fraud is more a local issue. Bush had enough on his plate.

In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud


The Real Fraud in “Voter Fraud”
How so-called reform laws aim to disenfranchise voters

Scholars confirm what the Bush Justice Department found—little evidence that voter fraud exists. More than anything else, voter fraud is a myth (see Justin Levitt, “The Truth about Voter Fraud,” Brennan Center for Justice, accessed on July 11, 2012). Lorraine C. Minnite, a public policy professor and a national expert on voter fraud, demonstrates in The Myth of Voter Fraud (Cornell University Press, 2010), that “voter fraud is a politically manufactured myth (p. 6).”

It is difficult to argue that the voter restrictions proposed in swing states like Florida and Pennsylvania are anything other than a ploy to suppress voting by people of color and the poor. First, Republicans have sponsored nearly all of the bills passed that would restrict voter registration

The Real Fraud in Voter Fraud Jesuit Social Research Institute Loyola University New Orleans

New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed - Investigations

The New York Times??????

You're kidding, right????

Might as well be The Rolling Stone......

Or.....Salon,politico, huffpo, snopes, media matters or any number of left wing moon bat blogs.....

 

[thereisnospoon]

Old Dummycraps....we on the right don't condone this sort of thing from anyone. You libs do because you're desperate.

Sure Bubba, sure. WHY the increase in voted ID laws again when Dubya's DOJ looked at 300+ million votes and prosecuted ZERO for using another ID? lol

Assuming you're not full of shit....but what makes you think that was Bush's job?????

My understanding was voter fraud is more a local issue. Bush had enough on his plate.

In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud


The Real Fraud in “Voter Fraud”
How so-called reform laws aim to disenfranchise voters

Scholars confirm what the Bush Justice Department found—little evidence that voter fraud exists. More than anything else, voter fraud is a myth (see Justin Levitt, “The Truth about Voter Fraud,” Brennan Center for Justice, accessed on July 11, 2012). Lorraine C. Minnite, a public policy professor and a national expert on voter fraud, demonstrates in The Myth of Voter Fraud (Cornell University Press, 2010), that “voter fraud is a politically manufactured myth (p. 6).”

It is difficult to argue that the voter restrictions proposed in swing states like Florida and Pennsylvania are anything other than a ploy to suppress voting by people of color and the poor. First, Republicans have sponsored nearly all of the bills passed that would restrict voter registration

The Real Fraud in Voter Fraud Jesuit Social Research Institute Loyola University New Orleans

New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed - Investigations

The New York Times??????

You're kidding, right????

Might as well be The Rolling Stone......

Your ad hom is noted Bubba, and dismissed

You accuse others of ad hominem...Did you not realize that you are losing the debate?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not sure why you need an i.d. to vote .

Once your name is crossed off the list as having voted at the polling place, you cant vote again. (Unless the polling place is breaking the law).

So the i.d. thing isnt completely necessary because the registered voters would be able to file a grievance of their vote was taken and it wasnt them doing it.

The real problem is updating the registry to exclude deceased people and things like that.

There have been widespread studies on voter fraud. Not much is abrewing.

Because in the past DEAD people voted that is why. ILLEGALS have voted That is is why

Voter rolls in Ohio are bloated experts say The Columbus Dispatch
Cincinnati Poll Worker is Third Voter Fraud Convict in Her County This Year PJ Tatler

 

[hortysir]

I don't see a problem with asking for an ID when your ballot is cast.

I do. What if you dont have one?

How do you do any of the other things listed in the OP?

 

[thereisnospoon]

I don't see a problem with asking for an ID when your ballot is cast.

97 Year-Old Woman Denied The Right To Vote Because Of Voter ID

93-Year Old Veteran Denied the Right to Vote Thanks to Texas GOP’s Voter ID Law
93-Year Old Veteran Denied the Right to Vote Thanks to Texas GOP s Voter ID Law Americans Against the Tea Party

96-year-old Chattanooga resident denied voting ID

96-year-old Chattanooga resident denied voting ID Local News Times Free Press




New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed

• 
  
  
  • In-person voter-impersonation fraud is rare. The database shows 207 cases of other types of fraud for every case of voter impersonation. “The fraud that matters is the fraud that is organized. That's why voter impersonation is practically non-existent because it is difficult to do and it is difficult to pull people into conspiracies to do it,” said Lorraine Minnite, professor of public policy and administration at Rutgers University.
  • There is more fraud in absentee ballots and voter registration than any other categories. The analysis shows 491 cases of absentee ballot fraud and 400 cases of registration fraud. A required photo ID at the polls would not have prevented these cases.
    
    New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed - Investigations

I'm sorry that happened. Let me say this about that:

I don't think there will ever be a federal or state wide election that swings based on voter fraud. I doubt there would be a municipal election in a major city that swings. Big deal. The electoral process should be as sterile as possible and that means ID'ing who votes.

I keep going back to the Democratic chair of West Palm Beach County, FL back in the late 1990's. She was likely elected by a couple of hundred votes. She (her name escapes me) agreed to a butterfly ballot to be used in the 2000 election. That decision changed the course of history and lead us to the Iraq/Afghanistan war and the $700B bailout.

I'm not saying voter fraud installed her. I am saying it could have.

People have this strange view of government. That somehow, if it doesn't sway the President and Congress, it's not important. Most government policy that affects your daily life is local where a frighteningly small % off your neighbors decide who is making these ordinances.

As for the examples, you gave...again, I'm sorry about that. They knew the rules...

There are entire counties with small populations where just a few questionable votes could send an election in a different direction.
There have been instances where State Senate or State House election were decided by a just a few votes. Any fraud in these would if discovered have a devastating effect on public perception of the process.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not sure why you need an i.d. to vote .

Once your name is crossed off the list as having voted at the polling place, you cant vote again. (Unless the polling place is breaking the law).

So the i.d. thing isnt completely necessary because the registered voters would be able to file a grievance of their vote was taken and it wasnt them doing it.

The real problem is updating the registry to exclude deceased people and things like that.

There have been widespread studies on voter fraud. Not much is abrewing.

Because in the past DEAD people voted that is why. ILLEGALS have voted That is is why

ANYTHING in the past 30 years??? lol

That is immaterial. The integrity of the process must be secured.