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Tell America why you think Obama/Biden/Pelosi Care was a good pieces of legislation and The Democrates campiagned on it in 2018?

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"This was said By Joe Biden to be the best Healthcare coverage in the World

Before Obamacare, there was an estimated 46 million people uninsured. Of that 46 million, approximately approximately 15 million qualified for Medicaid or Children’s Health Insurance (CHIP), leaving about 31 million actually uninsured. The Obamacare administration used the 15 million “uninsured” as an initial success number for Obamacare.


Depending on the sources used, the numbers may vary. For example, The Commonwealth Fund, in a September 2016 report, showed the uninsured numbers at 41.3 million for 2013, 32.3 million for 2014, and 28.5 million for 2015.

In 2010, the Weekly Standard, in an article titled, “The Real Number of Uninsured Americans,” reported a Kaiser Foundation estimate of uninsured as 50 million. The author of the Weekly Standard article, Jeffrey H. Anderson, reported that the date included significant errors. For example, a response error included in the Current Population Survey (CPS) showed that 16.9 % of people with a Medicaid Statistical Information Survey (MSIS) indicating Medicaid coverage reported they were uninsured. Eight million of the 50 million were actually insured by Medicaid.

This leaves 42 million uninsured. But according to a Census Bureau correction of its own data, 10 million were not citizens. This correction leaves us with 32 million uninsured citizens. Which is fairly close to my 31 million estimate in the first paragraph.

The uninsured number today is estimated between 30 and 32 million. The question must be asked: if the original goal of Obamacare was to eliminate the uninsured rolls, why has there been little or no change in the uninsured numbers after seven years of Obamacare after spending a CBO estimate of $1.76 trillion over ten years?

Before Obamacare, there were approximately 921,823 medical physicians, of which 320,795 were primary care (excluding OB/GYN). The U.S. population was approximately 306 million. Subtracting 30 million uninsured leaves 276 million “net insured” population.

There are 116 primary care physicians per 100,000 insured population.

Adding the uninsured population to the mix under Obamacare, there are 105 primary care physicians per 100,000 population, or almost a 10 percent decrease in available primary care physicians. This is defacto health care rationing by Obamacare. The Obama administration did nothing to increase the number of doctors, nurse practitioners or physician assistants.

According to health, average individual health insurance premiums have increased 99 percent since 2013, the year prior to Obamacare. Family premiums increased 140% during that same period. Why have healthcare premiums soared in Obamacare?

  • First, Obamacare mandated that health plans had to have a minimum set of benefits. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that the benefit mandates will increase premiums by up to 30 percent.
  • Second, Obamacare demanded no cost-sharing for preventive services, which are more likely to increase costs than reduce costs. By requiring more preventive service, cost naturally increase.
  • Third, Obamacare placed limits on cost-sharing and limits on deductibles. Individuals with little or no cost sharing have less incentive to use of health care services wisely.
  • Fourth, Obamacare skewed the pricing of healthcare premiums by requiring health plans to charge no more than three times the lowest rate, yet a sixty year-old consumes six times as much health care as a twenty year old.
  • Fifth, Obamacare banned normal underwriting practices, which would lead to healthy people having less risk, therefore lower premiums. As a result, premiums of healthy people were much higher.
  • Sixth, Obamacare required health insurers to cover high-risk people. Health insurers can no longer employ pre-existing conditions and insurers cannot charge higher rates based on health status or gender. As a result, healthcare premiums increased.
Obamacare made health insurance more expensive while simultaneously rationing health care. People can no longer afford Obamacare. Even the deductibles have become prohibitive to the average family. For example, the average deductible for a bronze policy (the cheapest Obamacare policy) is $12,000. For a family making $50,000 annually, $12,000 represents 24 percent of the gross income.

Further, the Obama administration manipulated the number of people covered by Obamacare. The Daily Signal reported that, “The Obama administration claims 20 million more Americans today have health care due to Obamacare. But that is based on six years of survey data, not actual sign-ups. The reality is that when you look at the actual net gains over the past two years since the program was fully implemented, the number is 14 million, and of that, 11.8 million (84 percent) were people given the “gift” of Medicaid.

And new research shows that even fewer people will be left without insurance after the repeal of Obamacare. Numbers are still being crunched, but between statistics released by the Congressional Budget Office and one of the infamous architects of Obamacare, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Jonathan Gruber, it’s estimated that anywhere from 2 to 7 million people now on Medicaid would have qualified for the program even without Obamacare."
 

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Yeah but didn't Trump make it better.
 

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Your OP is probably beyond my comprehension, so I will just say that before Obama Care, my wife was paying more for her insurance
that she was getting through her employer, than after she went with Obama Care. The cost of her employer insurance was going higher every year before Obama Care. Do I think Obama Care is the best solution? No, But it helped in my situation.
IMHO letting the insurance industry run our healthcare system is a disaster just like letting rich people run the government is a disaster.
 

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"This was said By Joe Biden to be the best Healthcare coverage in the World

Before Obamacare, there was an estimated 46 million people uninsured. Of that 46 million, approximately approximately 15 million qualified for Medicaid or Children’s Health Insurance (CHIP), leaving about 31 million actually uninsured. The Obamacare administration used the 15 million “uninsured” as an initial success number for Obamacare.


Depending on the sources used, the numbers may vary. For example, The Commonwealth Fund, in a September 2016 report, showed the uninsured numbers at 41.3 million for 2013, 32.3 million for 2014, and 28.5 million for 2015.

In 2010, the Weekly Standard, in an article titled, “The Real Number of Uninsured Americans,” reported a Kaiser Foundation estimate of uninsured as 50 million. The author of the Weekly Standard article, Jeffrey H. Anderson, reported that the date included significant errors. For example, a response error included in the Current Population Survey (CPS) showed that 16.9 % of people with a Medicaid Statistical Information Survey (MSIS) indicating Medicaid coverage reported they were uninsured. Eight million of the 50 million were actually insured by Medicaid.

This leaves 42 million uninsured. But according to a Census Bureau correction of its own data, 10 million were not citizens. This correction leaves us with 32 million uninsured citizens. Which is fairly close to my 31 million estimate in the first paragraph.

The uninsured number today is estimated between 30 and 32 million. The question must be asked: if the original goal of Obamacare was to eliminate the uninsured rolls, why has there been little or no change in the uninsured numbers after seven years of Obamacare after spending a CBO estimate of $1.76 trillion over ten years?

Before Obamacare, there were approximately 921,823 medical physicians, of which 320,795 were primary care (excluding OB/GYN). The U.S. population was approximately 306 million. Subtracting 30 million uninsured leaves 276 million “net insured” population.

There are 116 primary care physicians per 100,000 insured population.

Adding the uninsured population to the mix under Obamacare, there are 105 primary care physicians per 100,000 population, or almost a 10 percent decrease in available primary care physicians. This is defacto health care rationing by Obamacare. The Obama administration did nothing to increase the number of doctors, nurse practitioners or physician assistants.

According to health, average individual health insurance premiums have increased 99 percent since 2013, the year prior to Obamacare. Family premiums increased 140% during that same period. Why have healthcare premiums soared in Obamacare?

  • First, Obamacare mandated that health plans had to have a minimum set of benefits. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that the benefit mandates will increase premiums by up to 30 percent.
  • Second, Obamacare demanded no cost-sharing for preventive services, which are more likely to increase costs than reduce costs. By requiring more preventive service, cost naturally increase.
  • Third, Obamacare placed limits on cost-sharing and limits on deductibles. Individuals with little or no cost sharing have less incentive to use of health care services wisely.
  • Fourth, Obamacare skewed the pricing of healthcare premiums by requiring health plans to charge no more than three times the lowest rate, yet a sixty year-old consumes six times as much health care as a twenty year old.
  • Fifth, Obamacare banned normal underwriting practices, which would lead to healthy people having less risk, therefore lower premiums. As a result, premiums of healthy people were much higher.
  • Sixth, Obamacare required health insurers to cover high-risk people. Health insurers can no longer employ pre-existing conditions and insurers cannot charge higher rates based on health status or gender. As a result, healthcare premiums increased.
Obamacare made health insurance more expensive while simultaneously rationing health care. People can no longer afford Obamacare. Even the deductibles have become prohibitive to the average family. For example, the average deductible for a bronze policy (the cheapest Obamacare policy) is $12,000. For a family making $50,000 annually, $12,000 represents 24 percent of the gross income.

Further, the Obama administration manipulated the number of people covered by Obamacare. The Daily Signal reported that, “The Obama administration claims 20 million more Americans today have health care due to Obamacare. But that is based on six years of survey data, not actual sign-ups. The reality is that when you look at the actual net gains over the past two years since the program was fully implemented, the number is 14 million, and of that, 11.8 million (84 percent) were people given the “gift” of Medicaid.

And new research shows that even fewer people will be left without insurance after the repeal of Obamacare. Numbers are still being crunched, but between statistics released by the Congressional Budget Office and one of the infamous architects of Obamacare, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Jonathan Gruber, it’s estimated that anywhere from 2 to 7 million people now on Medicaid would have qualified for the program even without Obamacare."

So then the obvious solution is capitalism wherein there is incentive to lower price and raise quality thanks to competition. The fastest way there is through Medicare for all. You simple require published prices, lower and lower taxes and correspondingly higher and higher co-pays until you have capitalism. We estimate it would lower prices 70%.
 

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"This was said By Joe Biden to be the best Healthcare coverage in the World

Before Obamacare, there was an estimated 46 million people uninsured. Of that 46 million, approximately approximately 15 million qualified for Medicaid or Children’s Health Insurance (CHIP), leaving about 31 million actually uninsured. The Obamacare administration used the 15 million “uninsured” as an initial success number for Obamacare.


Depending on the sources used, the numbers may vary. For example, The Commonwealth Fund, in a September 2016 report, showed the uninsured numbers at 41.3 million for 2013, 32.3 million for 2014, and 28.5 million for 2015.

In 2010, the Weekly Standard, in an article titled, “The Real Number of Uninsured Americans,” reported a Kaiser Foundation estimate of uninsured as 50 million. The author of the Weekly Standard article, Jeffrey H. Anderson, reported that the date included significant errors. For example, a response error included in the Current Population Survey (CPS) showed that 16.9 % of people with a Medicaid Statistical Information Survey (MSIS) indicating Medicaid coverage reported they were uninsured. Eight million of the 50 million were actually insured by Medicaid.

This leaves 42 million uninsured. But according to a Census Bureau correction of its own data, 10 million were not citizens. This correction leaves us with 32 million uninsured citizens. Which is fairly close to my 31 million estimate in the first paragraph.

The uninsured number today is estimated between 30 and 32 million. The question must be asked: if the original goal of Obamacare was to eliminate the uninsured rolls, why has there been little or no change in the uninsured numbers after seven years of Obamacare after spending a CBO estimate of $1.76 trillion over ten years?

Before Obamacare, there were approximately 921,823 medical physicians, of which 320,795 were primary care (excluding OB/GYN). The U.S. population was approximately 306 million. Subtracting 30 million uninsured leaves 276 million “net insured” population.

There are 116 primary care physicians per 100,000 insured population.

Adding the uninsured population to the mix under Obamacare, there are 105 primary care physicians per 100,000 population, or almost a 10 percent decrease in available primary care physicians. This is defacto health care rationing by Obamacare. The Obama administration did nothing to increase the number of doctors, nurse practitioners or physician assistants.

According to health, average individual health insurance premiums have increased 99 percent since 2013, the year prior to Obamacare. Family premiums increased 140% during that same period. Why have healthcare premiums soared in Obamacare?

  • First, Obamacare mandated that health plans had to have a minimum set of benefits. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that the benefit mandates will increase premiums by up to 30 percent.
  • Second, Obamacare demanded no cost-sharing for preventive services, which are more likely to increase costs than reduce costs. By requiring more preventive service, cost naturally increase.
  • Third, Obamacare placed limits on cost-sharing and limits on deductibles. Individuals with little or no cost sharing have less incentive to use of health care services wisely.
  • Fourth, Obamacare skewed the pricing of healthcare premiums by requiring health plans to charge no more than three times the lowest rate, yet a sixty year-old consumes six times as much health care as a twenty year old.
  • Fifth, Obamacare banned normal underwriting practices, which would lead to healthy people having less risk, therefore lower premiums. As a result, premiums of healthy people were much higher.
  • Sixth, Obamacare required health insurers to cover high-risk people. Health insurers can no longer employ pre-existing conditions and insurers cannot charge higher rates based on health status or gender. As a result, healthcare premiums increased.
Obamacare made health insurance more expensive while simultaneously rationing health care. People can no longer afford Obamacare. Even the deductibles have become prohibitive to the average family. For example, the average deductible for a bronze policy (the cheapest Obamacare policy) is $12,000. For a family making $50,000 annually, $12,000 represents 24 percent of the gross income.

Further, the Obama administration manipulated the number of people covered by Obamacare. The Daily Signal reported that, “The Obama administration claims 20 million more Americans today have health care due to Obamacare. But that is based on six years of survey data, not actual sign-ups. The reality is that when you look at the actual net gains over the past two years since the program was fully implemented, the number is 14 million, and of that, 11.8 million (84 percent) were people given the “gift” of Medicaid.

And new research shows that even fewer people will be left without insurance after the repeal of Obamacare. Numbers are still being crunched, but between statistics released by the Congressional Budget Office and one of the infamous architects of Obamacare, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Jonathan Gruber, it’s estimated that anywhere from 2 to 7 million people now on Medicaid would have qualified for the program even without Obamacare."

So then the obvious solution is capitalism wherein there is incentive to lower price and raise quality thanks to competition. The fastest way there is through Medicare for all. You simple require published prices, lower and lower taxes and correspondingly higher and higher co-pays until you have capitalism. We estimate it would lower prices 70%.
I don't understand how capitalism would combine with Medicare for all to make things better. You say you would "require higher co-pays" and "it would lower prices 70%".
So is the Medicare recipient saving money or is the Government saving money?
 

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"This was said By Joe Biden to be the best Healthcare coverage in the World

Before Obamacare, there was an estimated 46 million people uninsured. Of that 46 million, approximately approximately 15 million qualified for Medicaid or Children’s Health Insurance (CHIP), leaving about 31 million actually uninsured. The Obamacare administration used the 15 million “uninsured” as an initial success number for Obamacare.


Depending on the sources used, the numbers may vary. For example, The Commonwealth Fund, in a September 2016 report, showed the uninsured numbers at 41.3 million for 2013, 32.3 million for 2014, and 28.5 million for 2015.

In 2010, the Weekly Standard, in an article titled, “The Real Number of Uninsured Americans,” reported a Kaiser Foundation estimate of uninsured as 50 million. The author of the Weekly Standard article, Jeffrey H. Anderson, reported that the date included significant errors. For example, a response error included in the Current Population Survey (CPS) showed that 16.9 % of people with a Medicaid Statistical Information Survey (MSIS) indicating Medicaid coverage reported they were uninsured. Eight million of the 50 million were actually insured by Medicaid.

This leaves 42 million uninsured. But according to a Census Bureau correction of its own data, 10 million were not citizens. This correction leaves us with 32 million uninsured citizens. Which is fairly close to my 31 million estimate in the first paragraph.

The uninsured number today is estimated between 30 and 32 million. The question must be asked: if the original goal of Obamacare was to eliminate the uninsured rolls, why has there been little or no change in the uninsured numbers after seven years of Obamacare after spending a CBO estimate of $1.76 trillion over ten years?

Before Obamacare, there were approximately 921,823 medical physicians, of which 320,795 were primary care (excluding OB/GYN). The U.S. population was approximately 306 million. Subtracting 30 million uninsured leaves 276 million “net insured” population.

There are 116 primary care physicians per 100,000 insured population.

Adding the uninsured population to the mix under Obamacare, there are 105 primary care physicians per 100,000 population, or almost a 10 percent decrease in available primary care physicians. This is defacto health care rationing by Obamacare. The Obama administration did nothing to increase the number of doctors, nurse practitioners or physician assistants.

According to health, average individual health insurance premiums have increased 99 percent since 2013, the year prior to Obamacare. Family premiums increased 140% during that same period. Why have healthcare premiums soared in Obamacare?

  • First, Obamacare mandated that health plans had to have a minimum set of benefits. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that the benefit mandates will increase premiums by up to 30 percent.
  • Second, Obamacare demanded no cost-sharing for preventive services, which are more likely to increase costs than reduce costs. By requiring more preventive service, cost naturally increase.
  • Third, Obamacare placed limits on cost-sharing and limits on deductibles. Individuals with little or no cost sharing have less incentive to use of health care services wisely.
  • Fourth, Obamacare skewed the pricing of healthcare premiums by requiring health plans to charge no more than three times the lowest rate, yet a sixty year-old consumes six times as much health care as a twenty year old.
  • Fifth, Obamacare banned normal underwriting practices, which would lead to healthy people having less risk, therefore lower premiums. As a result, premiums of healthy people were much higher.
  • Sixth, Obamacare required health insurers to cover high-risk people. Health insurers can no longer employ pre-existing conditions and insurers cannot charge higher rates based on health status or gender. As a result, healthcare premiums increased.
Obamacare made health insurance more expensive while simultaneously rationing health care. People can no longer afford Obamacare. Even the deductibles have become prohibitive to the average family. For example, the average deductible for a bronze policy (the cheapest Obamacare policy) is $12,000. For a family making $50,000 annually, $12,000 represents 24 percent of the gross income.

Further, the Obama administration manipulated the number of people covered by Obamacare. The Daily Signal reported that, “The Obama administration claims 20 million more Americans today have health care due to Obamacare. But that is based on six years of survey data, not actual sign-ups. The reality is that when you look at the actual net gains over the past two years since the program was fully implemented, the number is 14 million, and of that, 11.8 million (84 percent) were people given the “gift” of Medicaid.

And new research shows that even fewer people will be left without insurance after the repeal of Obamacare. Numbers are still being crunched, but between statistics released by the Congressional Budget Office and one of the infamous architects of Obamacare, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Jonathan Gruber, it’s estimated that anywhere from 2 to 7 million people now on Medicaid would have qualified for the program even without Obamacare."

So then the obvious solution is capitalism wherein there is incentive to lower price and raise quality thanks to competition. The fastest way there is through Medicare for all. You simple require published prices, lower and lower taxes and correspondingly higher and higher co-pays until you have capitalism. We estimate it would lower prices 70%.
I don't understand how capitalism would combine with Medicare for all to make things better. You say you would "require higher co-pays" and "it would lower prices 70%".
So is the Medicare recipient saving money or is the Government saving money?
1) everyone is put on Medicare for All
2) all medical providers are required to publish prices and compete for business on basis of price and quality.
3)Taxes would go down, co-pays would go up until everyone was paying for their own health insurance.
4) prices would come down about 70%
 

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Your OP is probably beyond my comprehension, so I will just say that before Obama Care, my wife was paying more for her insurance
that she was getting through her employer, than after she went with Obama Care. The cost of her employer insurance was going higher every year before Obama Care. Do I think Obama Care is the best solution? No, But it helped in my situation.
IMHO letting the insurance industry run our healthcare system is a disaster just like letting rich people run the government is a disaster.

"IMHO letting the insurance industry run our healthcare system is a disaster just like letting rich people run the government is a disaster "

You think the Gov can do it better than the people who do it everyday for a living?
 

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"This was said By Joe Biden to be the best Healthcare coverage in the World

Before Obamacare, there was an estimated 46 million people uninsured. Of that 46 million, approximately approximately 15 million qualified for Medicaid or Children’s Health Insurance (CHIP), leaving about 31 million actually uninsured. The Obamacare administration used the 15 million “uninsured” as an initial success number for Obamacare.


Depending on the sources used, the numbers may vary. For example, The Commonwealth Fund, in a September 2016 report, showed the uninsured numbers at 41.3 million for 2013, 32.3 million for 2014, and 28.5 million for 2015.

In 2010, the Weekly Standard, in an article titled, “The Real Number of Uninsured Americans,” reported a Kaiser Foundation estimate of uninsured as 50 million. The author of the Weekly Standard article, Jeffrey H. Anderson, reported that the date included significant errors. For example, a response error included in the Current Population Survey (CPS) showed that 16.9 % of people with a Medicaid Statistical Information Survey (MSIS) indicating Medicaid coverage reported they were uninsured. Eight million of the 50 million were actually insured by Medicaid.

This leaves 42 million uninsured. But according to a Census Bureau correction of its own data, 10 million were not citizens. This correction leaves us with 32 million uninsured citizens. Which is fairly close to my 31 million estimate in the first paragraph.

The uninsured number today is estimated between 30 and 32 million. The question must be asked: if the original goal of Obamacare was to eliminate the uninsured rolls, why has there been little or no change in the uninsured numbers after seven years of Obamacare after spending a CBO estimate of $1.76 trillion over ten years?

Before Obamacare, there were approximately 921,823 medical physicians, of which 320,795 were primary care (excluding OB/GYN). The U.S. population was approximately 306 million. Subtracting 30 million uninsured leaves 276 million “net insured” population.

There are 116 primary care physicians per 100,000 insured population.

Adding the uninsured population to the mix under Obamacare, there are 105 primary care physicians per 100,000 population, or almost a 10 percent decrease in available primary care physicians. This is defacto health care rationing by Obamacare. The Obama administration did nothing to increase the number of doctors, nurse practitioners or physician assistants.

According to health, average individual health insurance premiums have increased 99 percent since 2013, the year prior to Obamacare. Family premiums increased 140% during that same period. Why have healthcare premiums soared in Obamacare?

  • First, Obamacare mandated that health plans had to have a minimum set of benefits. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that the benefit mandates will increase premiums by up to 30 percent.
  • Second, Obamacare demanded no cost-sharing for preventive services, which are more likely to increase costs than reduce costs. By requiring more preventive service, cost naturally increase.
  • Third, Obamacare placed limits on cost-sharing and limits on deductibles. Individuals with little or no cost sharing have less incentive to use of health care services wisely.
  • Fourth, Obamacare skewed the pricing of healthcare premiums by requiring health plans to charge no more than three times the lowest rate, yet a sixty year-old consumes six times as much health care as a twenty year old.
  • Fifth, Obamacare banned normal underwriting practices, which would lead to healthy people having less risk, therefore lower premiums. As a result, premiums of healthy people were much higher.
  • Sixth, Obamacare required health insurers to cover high-risk people. Health insurers can no longer employ pre-existing conditions and insurers cannot charge higher rates based on health status or gender. As a result, healthcare premiums increased.
Obamacare made health insurance more expensive while simultaneously rationing health care. People can no longer afford Obamacare. Even the deductibles have become prohibitive to the average family. For example, the average deductible for a bronze policy (the cheapest Obamacare policy) is $12,000. For a family making $50,000 annually, $12,000 represents 24 percent of the gross income.

Further, the Obama administration manipulated the number of people covered by Obamacare. The Daily Signal reported that, “The Obama administration claims 20 million more Americans today have health care due to Obamacare. But that is based on six years of survey data, not actual sign-ups. The reality is that when you look at the actual net gains over the past two years since the program was fully implemented, the number is 14 million, and of that, 11.8 million (84 percent) were people given the “gift” of Medicaid.

And new research shows that even fewer people will be left without insurance after the repeal of Obamacare. Numbers are still being crunched, but between statistics released by the Congressional Budget Office and one of the infamous architects of Obamacare, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Jonathan Gruber, it’s estimated that anywhere from 2 to 7 million people now on Medicaid would have qualified for the program even without Obamacare."

So then the obvious solution is capitalism wherein there is incentive to lower price and raise quality thanks to competition. The fastest way there is through Medicare for all. You simple require published prices, lower and lower taxes and correspondingly higher and higher co-pays until you have capitalism. We estimate it would lower prices 70%.
I don't understand how capitalism would combine with Medicare for all to make things better. You say you would "require higher co-pays" and "it would lower prices 70%".
So is the Medicare recipient saving money or is the Government saving money?
1) everyone is put on Medicare for All
2) all medical providers are required to publish prices and compete for business on basis of price and quality.
3)Taxes would go down, co-pays would go up until everyone was paying for their own health insurance.
4) prices would come down about 70%


1) everyone is put on Medicare for All
You do know that Medicare works in conjunction with Private carriers right? Medicare has some very glaring holes in it that the private carriers supplement. Are you wanting to cut the private carriers out and leave the holes to be paid by the insured? Are you wanting to cut the private carriers out and have the Gov pay everything? (you really don't want that)

2) all medical providers are required to publish prices and compete for business on basis of price and quality.
You do know that Medicare has fixed service rates and that no provider can charge more than those rates in most situations? When they do it's called Excess Billing, most states don't allow it.

3)Taxes would go down, co-pays would go up until everyone was paying for their own health insurance.
How could taxes go down? Now you have the Gov paying something on EVERY claim or every claim in full if you cut out Private carriers.. Taxes would neccessarily go up.

4) prices would come down about 70%
Nope, again, Medicare sets the rates. You're pulling that 70% number out your bung hole.
 

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2) all medical providers are required to publish prices and compete for business on basis of price and quality.
You do know that Medicare has fixed service rates
You have to try much harder. Our subject is how to get to capitalism fastest in order to reduce prices 70% and increase quality. Firstly, after everyone is enrolled in M4A a new law forces providers to set their own prices and publish them. Now do you understand?
 

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3)Taxes would go down, co-pays would go up until everyone was paying for their own health insurance.
How could taxes go down? Now you have the Gov paying something on EVERY claim or every claim in full if you cut out Private carriers.. Taxes would neccessarily go up.
no no no taxes would go down and people would then have more money to buy health care the price of which would drop 70% thanks to capitalist competition. Now do you understand?
 

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4) prices would come down about 70%
Nope, again, Medicare sets the rates. You're pulling that 70% number out your bung hole.
Please write down the subject so you won't forget it. Medicare sets prices now but to switch to capitalism and reduce prices 70% providers would be allowed to set prices and required to publish them. Now do you understand?
 

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You're pulling that 70% number out your bung hole.

Not at all. We know from any number of socialist examples how poor bureaucratic socialist monopolies with no skin in the games make people. When the USSR fell for example they had about 20% of our standard of living. People could afford very very little. Prices were in effect very very high. Now do you understand?
 

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You're pulling that 70% number out your bung hole.

Not at all. We know from any number of socialist examples how poor bureaucratic socialist monopolies with no skin in the games make people. When the USSR fell for example they had about 20% of our standard of living. People could afford very very little. Prices were in effect very very high. Now do you understand?

LOL, I do it everyday. I am a Consultant to a health Care Company. It's pure smoke.
 

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4) prices would come down about 70%
Nope, again, Medicare sets the rates. You're pulling that 70% number out your bung hole.
Please write down the subject so you won't forget it. Medicare sets prices now but to switch to capitalism and reduce prices 70% providers would be allowed to set prices and required to publish them. Now do you understand?

Son you have no idea as to what you're talking about. None. You simply don't follow a conversation well. As I said, I do it everyday. There is nothing you can teach me. It's never going to be a "pure" capitalist program. Medicare by definition cannot be a pure "capitalist" plan.
 

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Medicare by definition cannot be a pure "capitalist" plan.

what you are trying to say is cant be a pure capitalist plan under current law.
We want to change the law to turn M4A into capitalism for all. Now do you understand?
 

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