Teens Sue Baseball Team Over 'God Bless America' Ejection

[PubliusInfinitum]

Sadly... for you... What is right and true is already established through the incontrovertible reasoning.

The 'word games' things is HYSTERICAL...

This would be a great time for you to open a thread to proclaim that the Ideological Left as the arbiter of all intellectual prowess... which naturally would stand on the assertion that Conservatives are 'anti-intellectual'...

ROFL...

Sweet Concession Roberto...

Ya did the best ya could God bless ya...

Concession? Are you mad (insane)? I just proved you wrong and you say I conceded? Seriously, did you live under power lines or get dropped constantly on your head?

Bob... what you proved was that you've some fairly significant intellectual limitations..

You asserted that it was a fact that the Boys were kicked out for failing to stand to the playing of GBA...

I corrected your fatally flawed reasoning, by demonstrating that the assertion was merely what was alleged in the Lawsuit...

Further, I demonstrated the basis in reasoning, wherein tradition and customary respect inherent in the National Anthem requires one to stand and failure to do so, would be cause to be asked to leave a given event... and that demanding someone to leave because they failed to stand for the playing of a song where no such traiditon and custom is intrinsic... IS ABSURD!

And so on; where you demanded that such represents the "REASON" for the case... confusing such with the basis of the case, etc...

You've thoroughly failed at every point of contest...

But as noted earlier... its fairly clear that you're doing the best ya can...

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

And yet...that is EXACTLY what happened, you doofus!

No Dumbass... that is EXACTLY what is ALLEGED TO HAVE HAPPENED IN THE LAWSUIT PLEA... despite the absence of any sound reason that such would occur; thus the unlikihood that such ACTUALLY did occur.

Wow. So, here we have the Clerk....who cannot wrap his little mind around an owner kicking people out of a game because they didn't do what he likes ... EVEN THO, this said Clerk ASSAULTED someone years ago for not doing what he liked....this Clerk alters reality enough to imagine that a LAW SUIT would be filed incorrectly, in hopes to fool EVERYONE that it was NOT the National Anthem.


I think we know who the real fool is here.

And it's a rhetorical HAT TRICK! And that it includes the written doubt that a lawsuit would be filed 'incorrectly...' is just a BONUS! ROFLMNAO...


Three responses in opposition, wherein the idiot offers absolutely NO contest to the argument, avoiding such entirely; opting instead to project the flaccid manifestation of their impotence...

ROFLMNAO...

The bad news is that these people are entitled to VOTE... their inability to solve pedestrian rhetorical problems in no way precludes them from influencing what individuals set in high office of Goverance...

It's truly one of the greatest dangers facing America.

 

[Dr Grump]

The bad news is that these people are entitled to VOTE...

I disagree, i think the bad news is that you're entitled to vote...

 

[bodecea]

The bad news is that these people are entitled to VOTE...

I disagree, i think the bad news is that you're entitled to vote...

I wonder if the Clerk was one of those people in Florida in 2000 who couldn't figure out the butterfly ballot.

After all, he's still struggling with God Bless America NOT being the National Anthem.

 

[AllieBaba]

Freedom of speech and expression is a right, a right that may not be taken away by the government (federal. state or local). It does not require a private party to allow such freedom in a private venue.

The facts as stated:
The owner in this case sold tickets to persons to attend a ball game;
the owner objected to the behavior of these people and ejected them from the venue.

The owner had a duty to his customers to provide a ball game. The owner breached that duty and is liable to refund the price of the ticket. Unless, the customer had been advised that specific behavior was prohibited (such as running onto the field, or throwing objects in the stands).

Yeah, depends on the rules.

But what about the "he asked me for money" thing in the original post? One of the non-standers asked someone for money?

That's panhandling, and illegal. Bye bye.

 

[Bfgrn]

Were these "nazis" at the game?

Could of been. The minute you make Patriotism mandatory, it is no longer Patriotism and it is a violation of Constitutional Rights.

Whether you like it or not, this was their right to do so. Besides, do you want the precedent this will set? For all of you talking about laws, and such, this could result in a very ugly domino effect in the future.

ROFL...

Well that is as asinine a statement as I've come across lately...

We can't make someone loyal to the concepts of America... but we can damn sure make disloyalty something which one wants to avoid.

Yeah, they have a right to disrespect the National Anthem of the US... but they don't have a right to disrespect the flag with impunity... The ball-park owner has a right to kick them off of his property; and you're entitled to piss and moan about it.

Spoken by a die hard statist...

You have the RIGHT to wipe your ass with the flag, if that is what you freely choose to do ...

Right wing patriotism...statism, conformity and collectivism...
=======================================
The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898). Bellamy's original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8th issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's discovery of America, conceived by James B. Upham.


Bellamy's original Pledge read:

"I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

Salute
Reciting of the pledge is accompanied by a salute. An early version of the salute, adopted in 1892, was known as the Bellamy salute. It ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards. Because of the similarity between the Bellamy salute and the Nazi salute, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. This was done when Congress officially adopted the Flag Code on June 22, 1942.


Under God Added
The Knights of Columbus, the world's largest Catholic fraternal service organization, in New York City felt that the pledge was incomplete without any reference to a deity. Appealing to the authority of Abraham Lincoln, the Knights felt that the words "under God" which were from Lincolns Gettysburg Address were most appropriate to add to the Pledge.
wiki

 

[bodecea]

Could of been. The minute you make Patriotism mandatory, it is no longer Patriotism and it is a violation of Constitutional Rights.

Whether you like it or not, this was their right to do so. Besides, do you want the precedent this will set? For all of you talking about laws, and such, this could result in a very ugly domino effect in the future.

ROFL...

Well that is as asinine a statement as I've come across lately...

We can't make someone loyal to the concepts of America... but we can damn sure make disloyalty something which one wants to avoid.

Yeah, they have a right to disrespect the National Anthem of the US... but they don't have a right to disrespect the flag with impunity... The ball-park owner has a right to kick them off of his property; and you're entitled to piss and moan about it.

Spoken by a die hard statist...

You have the RIGHT to wipe your ass with the flag, if that is what you freely choose to do ...

Right wing patriotism...statism, conformity and collectivism...
=======================================
The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898). Bellamy's original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8th issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's discovery of America, conceived by James B. Upham.


Bellamy's original Pledge read:

"I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

Salute
Reciting of the pledge is accompanied by a salute. An early version of the salute, adopted in 1892, was known as the Bellamy salute. It ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards. Because of the similarity between the Bellamy salute and the Nazi salute, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. This was done when Congress officially adopted the Flag Code on June 22, 1942.


Under God Added
The Knights of Columbus, the world's largest Catholic fraternal service organization, in New York City felt that the pledge was incomplete without any reference to a deity. Appealing to the authority of Abraham Lincoln, the Knights felt that the words "under God" which were from Lincolns Gettysburg Address were most appropriate to add to the Pledge.
wiki

But we are still talking about "God Bless America" which is NOT the National Anthem and which is NOT the Pledge of Allegiance.


If we find out the lawsuit is mis-placed, and it was the National Anthem, I will apologize to the Clerk. Will he provide the same courtesy to us if we find out that indeed it IS God Bless America these boys got kicked out over?

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

The bad news is that these people are entitled to VOTE...

I disagree, i think the bad news is that you're entitled to vote...

Indeed... and such is implied with your every post. The distinction here lies within your stark intellectual means... which precludes you from recognizing that your entire ideology rests upon the rejection of the natural order; thus rendering it impotent, in terms of it's potential to accomplish ANY of the would-be goals it projects.

Thus where I lament your means to influence goverance; the conclusions upon which that angst rest is founded in incontrovertible, sustainable reasoning; which are summed through valid logical constructs...

Your's on the other hand rests in the impotence common to the irrational desires of the common idiot.

So while I hope that this helps you to overcome your inherent limitations; it is expressed knowing full well that such is unlikely...

 

[bodecea]

ROFL...

Well that is as asinine a statement as I've come across lately...

We can't make someone loyal to the concepts of America... but we can damn sure make disloyalty something which one wants to avoid.

Yeah, they have a right to disrespect the National Anthem of the US... but they don't have a right to disrespect the flag with impunity... The ball-park owner has a right to kick them off of his property; and you're entitled to piss and moan about it.

Spoken by a die hard statist...

You have the RIGHT to wipe your ass with the flag, if that is what you freely choose to do ...

Right wing patriotism...statism, conformity and collectivism...
=======================================
The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898). Bellamy's original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8th issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's discovery of America, conceived by James B. Upham.


Bellamy's original Pledge read:

"I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

Salute
Reciting of the pledge is accompanied by a salute. An early version of the salute, adopted in 1892, was known as the Bellamy salute. It ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards. Because of the similarity between the Bellamy salute and the Nazi salute, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. This was done when Congress officially adopted the Flag Code on June 22, 1942.


Under God Added
The Knights of Columbus, the world's largest Catholic fraternal service organization, in New York City felt that the pledge was incomplete without any reference to a deity. Appealing to the authority of Abraham Lincoln, the Knights felt that the words "under God" which were from Lincolns Gettysburg Address were most appropriate to add to the Pledge.
wiki

But we are still talking about "God Bless America" which is NOT the National Anthem and which is NOT the Pledge of Allegiance.


If we find out the lawsuit is mis-placed, and it was the National Anthem, I will apologize to the Clerk. Will he provide the same courtesy to us if we find out that indeed it IS God Bless America these boys got kicked out over?

If we find out the lawsuit is mis-placed, and it was the National Anthem, I will apologize to the Clerk. Will he provide the same courtesy to us if we find out that indeed it IS God Bless America these boys got kicked out over?

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

The bad news is that these people are entitled to VOTE...

I disagree, i think the bad news is that you're entitled to vote...

I wonder if the Clerk was one of those people in Florida in 2000 who couldn't figure out the butterfly ballot.

After all, he's still struggling with God Bless America NOT being the National Anthem.

Sweet Mother...

As is typical, the idiocy is systemic.

First, the claim that the butterfly ballot was 'misunderstood' was demonstrated to be a mathematically impossible ruse.

And this based upon the certainty that where such was the case, the resulting errors presented by such a misunderstanding would have produced ballots which fell to both sides of the potential misunderstanding; meaning that given the uniform construct of the ballot, that the errors claimed to have been made due to that construct would have been generated across the scope of the ballot for all cadidates; and further that such an 'error' would not have fallen to the favor of any one cadidate.

What's more is that same 'butterly' construct was in use through a fair percentage of Florida; had been used for decades and MORE RELEVANT HERE: THE ERRORS WERE REPORTED TO BE A FUNCTION ONLY IN DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED PRECINCTS.

No such error had ever been noted in any of the dozens of previous elections using the same system, the would-be errors predominately fell to ONE Candidate and were reported exclusively by Democrats.

Now it's fair to say that few would accuse me to be; or would mistakenly come to otherwise conclude that I am a Democrat; thus the above quip is one which fails sufficient probability to even induce comedic potential...

ROFL....












Nice FAIL... DUMBASS!







Leftists...

 

[bodecea]

Spoken by a die hard statist...

You have the RIGHT to wipe your ass with the flag, if that is what you freely choose to do ...

Right wing patriotism...statism, conformity and collectivism...
=======================================
The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898). Bellamy's original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8th issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's discovery of America, conceived by James B. Upham.


Bellamy's original Pledge read:

"I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

Salute
Reciting of the pledge is accompanied by a salute. An early version of the salute, adopted in 1892, was known as the Bellamy salute. It ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards. Because of the similarity between the Bellamy salute and the Nazi salute, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. This was done when Congress officially adopted the Flag Code on June 22, 1942.


Under God Added
The Knights of Columbus, the world's largest Catholic fraternal service organization, in New York City felt that the pledge was incomplete without any reference to a deity. Appealing to the authority of Abraham Lincoln, the Knights felt that the words "under God" which were from Lincolns Gettysburg Address were most appropriate to add to the Pledge.
wiki

But we are still talking about "God Bless America" which is NOT the National Anthem and which is NOT the Pledge of Allegiance.


If we find out the lawsuit is mis-placed, and it was the National Anthem, I will apologize to the Clerk. Will he provide the same courtesy to us if we find out that indeed it IS God Bless America these boys got kicked out over?

If we find out the lawsuit is mis-placed, and it was the National Anthem, I will apologize to the Clerk. Will he provide the same courtesy to us if we find out that indeed it IS God Bless America these boys got kicked out over?

If we find out the lawsuit is mis-placed, and it was the National Anthem, I will apologize to the Clerk. Will he provide the same courtesy to us if we find out that indeed it IS God Bless America these boys got kicked out over?

 

[AllieBaba]

"Oh say can you see..by the dawn's early light..."

Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem, and is what is typically played at ball games and rodeos.

 

[bodecea]

"Oh say can you see..by the dawn's early light..."

Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem, and is what is typically played at ball games and rodeos.

True, but EVERY SINGLE news story about this incident says it was "God Bless America." The stories even go into explaining how the tradition started after 9/11 and who wrote the song.


Isn't it telling how the Clerk is avoiding my offer?

 

[AllieBaba]

Huh. I'd stand for God Bless America, too.

I'm still curious about the "asking for money" thing. Sounds like there was more than one bad behavior going on.

 

[tigerbob]

"Oh say can you see..by the dawn's early light..."

Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem, and is what is typically played at ball games and rodeos.

True, but EVERY SINGLE news story about this incident says it was "God Bless America." The stories even go into explaining how the tradition started after 9/11 and who wrote the song.


Isn't it telling how the Clerk is avoiding my offer?

A lot of stadiums play both, the national anthem before the first pitch, GBA during the 7th inning stretch. Apparently in New York since 9/11 it is almost always that way.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

"Oh say can you see..by the dawn's early light..."

Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem, and is what is typically played at ball games and rodeos.

True, but EVERY SINGLE news story about this incident says it was "God Bless America." The stories even go into explaining how the tradition started after 9/11 and who wrote the song.


Isn't it telling how the Clerk is avoiding my offer?

ROFLMNAO...

First, the reports, 'report' that the LAWSUIT alleges that the individuals were removed for not standing at the playing of GBA; and this is because THAT IS WHAT IS ALLEGED IN THE FILING PLEA OF THE LAWSUIT.

Second, ANY NEWS REPORT WHICH STATES OTHERWISE, IS LYING THEIR REPORTING ASS OFF... BECAUSE: the ONLY PLACE WHICH EVEN SUGGESTS THAT SUCH OCCURED IS... (and follow this closely Dumbass) IS IN THE PLEA REPRESENTED IN THE LAWSUIT, WHERE SUCH IS ALLEGED!

There are no witness statements; there is NOTHING, NADA, ZIP... anywhere on the record wherein there is evidence which sustains that allegation...

What's MORE... representatives of the Stadium flatly deny it...

FURTHER: COMMON SENSE suggests that the the tradtion and custom of standing to recognize and respect the fallen, who have sustained the nation; was the violating behavior that triggered their removal... and thus it is SOUND REASONING which stands at the foundation of the conclusion that the Management of the Stadium tossed those individuals to the curb, because they demonstrated disrespect during the customary period where the National Anthem is played.

Now it occurs to me, that for whatever reason, its entirely possible that the Stadium may have substituted GBA FOR the NATIONAL ANTHEM... who knows?

The bottom line is that during the period of momentary reflection; which customarily, the National Anthem is played in recognition of the American Standard and all she represents... attendees are required to stand and face the flag where visible and the Music where such is not visible.

The bottom line is that such is a reasonable tribute of respect for those who gave all they had in defense of their nation; and that failure to recognize their sacrifice at such moments is an indisputable disrespect for such.

Now, clearly the idiot will run to claim that my position is shifting; which it is not...

This issue rests on an abyss of ignorance... and given the tradition of the ideological left to lie their collective asses off to misrepresent the facts, so as to undermine what ever cultural standard is at issue... it is a certainty, that what is being represented: that stadium management isolated and summarily removed these individuals for failing to stand during the period where the Public address system of that stadium 'just happened to be playing GBA...'

All I have done and continue to do, is to apply common sense to solve this elementary equation; where the anti-American Left has once again come to imply that there is some run-away patriotic zealotry which resulted in the violation of the human rights of the innocent; the notion that the Stadium owner... would just toss someone out, because the music rotation on the PA system just happened to run through GBA... and everyone else int he stadium rose to their feet but THESE PEOPLE... who he ejected out of his stadium; which is what is being implied... Is bullshit...

Third... When and where I am proven wrong, I readily admit it; always have, always will... the dumbass implying that I might not... is just more ad populum drivel...

Fourth... we can be sure, that I have little interests in this issue... thus once this thread dries on the vine, unless someone else brings it up... what finally comes of it will likely go unnoticed by me..

The highest probability is that it will be dismissed by the federal court; that such will go unnoticed.. and that whatever comes of it; that where proven wrong, the dumbass will ignore it and if such should come up; she will use the same obtuse ruse to deny it, as she has consistantly used here and that she always uses.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

"Oh say can you see..by the dawn's early light..."

Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem, and is what is typically played at ball games and rodeos.

True, but EVERY SINGLE news story about this incident says it was "God Bless America." The stories even go into explaining how the tradition started after 9/11 and who wrote the song.


Isn't it telling how the Clerk is avoiding my offer?

A lot of stadiums play both, the national anthem before the first pitch, GBA during the 7th inning stretch. Apparently in New York since 9/11 it is almost always that way.

Well there ya go... perhaps that is the case... I don't know and I don't know because there is no mention of such in the 'reports'... It's entirely possible that this is what happened...

It then serves reason that such is, as noted above, a period of reflection for the fallen of 9-11... Where such would reasonably be noted; where the attendees are asked to stand in recognition and respect for those lost and where the individuals failed to demonstrate such respect. And which provides a reasonable basis for the management of the stadium to kick their collected asses to the curb.

Not the failure to stand to the simple playing of some patriotic medly of which GBA was part and parcel... through the stadium PA system... as is being implied..

 

[Bfgrn]

ROFL...

Well that is as asinine a statement as I've come across lately...

We can't make someone loyal to the concepts of America... but we can damn sure make disloyalty something which one wants to avoid.

Yeah, they have a right to disrespect the National Anthem of the US... but they don't have a right to disrespect the flag with impunity... The ball-park owner has a right to kick them off of his property; and you're entitled to piss and moan about it.

Spoken by a die hard statist...

You have the RIGHT to wipe your ass with the flag, if that is what you freely choose to do ...

Right wing patriotism...statism, conformity and collectivism...
=======================================
The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898). Bellamy's original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8th issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's discovery of America, conceived by James B. Upham.


Bellamy's original Pledge read:

"I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

Salute
Reciting of the pledge is accompanied by a salute. An early version of the salute, adopted in 1892, was known as the Bellamy salute. It ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards. Because of the similarity between the Bellamy salute and the Nazi salute, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. This was done when Congress officially adopted the Flag Code on June 22, 1942.


Under God Added
The Knights of Columbus, the world's largest Catholic fraternal service organization, in New York City felt that the pledge was incomplete without any reference to a deity. Appealing to the authority of Abraham Lincoln, the Knights felt that the words "under God" which were from Lincolns Gettysburg Address were most appropriate to add to the Pledge.
wiki

But we are still talking about "God Bless America" which is NOT the National Anthem and which is NOT the Pledge of Allegiance.


If we find out the lawsuit is mis-placed, and it was the National Anthem, I will apologize to the Clerk. Will he provide the same courtesy to us if we find out that indeed it IS God Bless America these boys got kicked out over?

I am aware that this flap is over God Bless America (I pointed out in an earlier post that GBA is not the national anthem)...I'm just calling out who the TRUE statists are...the right wing pea brains like Pubic Infinitum...

BTW, even IF it were the national anthem or the pledge of allegiance, their right to remain seated does not change...


"Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism."
Barry Goldwater (R) – Late Senator & Father of the Conservative movement

 

[Montrovant]

True, but EVERY SINGLE news story about this incident says it was "God Bless America." The stories even go into explaining how the tradition started after 9/11 and who wrote the song.


Isn't it telling how the Clerk is avoiding my offer?

A lot of stadiums play both, the national anthem before the first pitch, GBA during the 7th inning stretch. Apparently in New York since 9/11 it is almost always that way.

Well there ya go... perhaps that is the case... I don't know and I don't know because there is no mention of such in the 'reports'... It's entirely possible that this is what happened...

It then serves reason that such is, as noted above, a period of reflection for the fallen of 9-11... Where such would reasonably be noted; where the attendees are asked to stand in recognition and respect for those lost and where the individuals failed to demonstrate such respect. And which provides a reasonable basis for the management of the stadium to kick their collected asses to the curb.

Not the failure to stand to the simple playing of some patriotic medly of which GBA was part and parcel... through the stadium PA system... as is being implied..

From the link in the original post :

'"God Bless America," written by Irving Berlin in 1918, was played at big league ballparks throughout the country when baseball resumed after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and has remained a fixture at New York Yankees games.'

This at least hints at the idea of playing GBA during baseball games.

Also from the link in the OP :

'The boys are being represented by Bryce Gadye's father, Ross, who said the boys weren't protesting the song and no one asked them to stand.

"The boys weren't trying to make any political statements, they just didn't get up," he said. "No one gave them an ultimatum. The song was sung, it was finished, then they were thrown out."'

At least according to the suit, they were not asked to stand.

Of course all of this is alleged, and no proof is provided in the article. It may well be that these are merely people trying to use the system to make a buck. Taking anything as fact based on the lack of information here is pretty silly. However, assuming that the suit is a lie because people aren't expected to stand during GBA is also silly, unless you are personally familiar with this team/stadium. It could be a minor league tradition, it could be something like the NY Yankees who apparently have been doing it since after 9/11, it could be something that the owner has done for many years, there's just not enough to go on.

Either way it's pretty pathetic IMO. Making something like that up to try and get some money or kicking someone out because they sat during GBA, either is bad.

 

[bodecea]

"Oh say can you see..by the dawn's early light..."

Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem, and is what is typically played at ball games and rodeos.

True, but EVERY SINGLE news story about this incident says it was "God Bless America." The stories even go into explaining how the tradition started after 9/11 and who wrote the song.


Isn't it telling how the Clerk is avoiding my offer?

ROFLMNAO...

First, the reports, 'report' that the LAWSUIT alleges that the individuals were removed for not standing at the playing of GBA; and this is because THAT IS WHAT IS ALLEGED IN THE FILING PLEA OF THE LAWSUIT.

Second, ANY NEWS REPORT WHICH STATES OTHERWISE, IS LYING THEIR REPORTING ASS OFF... BECAUSE: the ONLY PLACE WHICH EVEN SUGGESTS THAT SUCH OCCURED IS... (and follow this closely Dumbass) IS IN THE PLEA REPRESENTED IN THE LAWSUIT, WHERE SUCH IS ALLEGED!

There are no witness statements; there is NOTHING, NADA, ZIP... anywhere on the record wherein there is evidence which sustains that allegation...

What's MORE... representatives of the Stadium flatly deny it...

Then why did the owners, except for the one who acted like an ass and kicked them out...call the families in TO APOLOGIZE? This is in the OP story, you know.

FURTHER: COMMON SENSE suggests that the the tradtion and custom of standing to recognize and respect the fallen, who have sustained the nation; was the violating behavior that triggered their removal... and thus it is SOUND REASONING which stands at the foundation of the conclusion that the Management of the Stadium tossed those individuals to the curb, because they demonstrated disrespect during the customary period where the National Anthem is played.

Now it occurs to me, that for whatever reason, its entirely possible that the Stadium may have substituted GBA FOR the NATIONAL ANTHEM... who knows?

The bottom line is that during the period of momentary reflection; which customarily, the National Anthem is played in recognition of the American Standard and all she represents... attendees are required to stand and face the flag where visible and the Music where such is not visible.

The bottom line is that such is a reasonable tribute of respect for those who gave all they had in defense of their nation; and that failure to recognize their sacrifice at such moments is an indisputable disrespect for such.

Now, clearly the idiot will run to claim that my position is shifting; which it is not...

This issue rests on an abyss of ignorance... and given the tradition of the ideological left to lie their collective asses off to misrepresent the facts, so as to undermine what ever cultural standard is at issue... it is a certainty, that what is being represented: that stadium management isolated and summarily removed these individuals for failing to stand during the period where the Public address system of that stadium 'just happened to be playing GBA...'

All I have done and continue to do, is to apply common sense to solve this elementary equation; where the anti-American Left has once again come to imply that there is some run-away patriotic zealotry which resulted in the violation of the human rights of the innocent; the notion that the Stadium owner... would just toss someone out, because the music rotation on the PA system just happened to run through GBA... and everyone else int he stadium rose to their feet but THESE PEOPLE... who he ejected out of his stadium; which is what is being implied... Is bullshit...

Third... When and where I am proven wrong, I readily admit it; always have, always will... the dumbass implying that I might not... is just more ad populum drivel...

Fourth... we can be sure, that I have little interests in this issue... thus once this thread dries on the vine, unless someone else brings it up... what finally comes of it will likely go unnoticed by me..

The highest probability is that it will be dismissed by the federal court; that such will go unnoticed.. and that whatever comes of it; that where proven wrong, the dumbass will ignore it and if such should come up; she will use the same obtuse ruse to deny it, as she has consistantly used here and that she always uses.

So, it appears that the answer is 'no'...the Clerk will NOT apologize if he is proven wrong about this being a National Anthem issue. In fact, he is already spinning the facts to slink away. Not much else to be expected from someone who BEATS someone who isn't doing what he wants them to do during the National Anthem.