Again, you are living in an alternative reality where you think that you can just keep making shit up and be believed. It doesn’t matter that you don’t think that it’s discrimination. State laws consider it discrimination when someone is refused service or otherwise excluded from a place of public accommodation based on gender, race, religion, national origin and in some cases SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
And no, I did not say that being excluded for any reason is discrimination, and yes people are excluded for various reasons all the time . If I don’t hire someone to work on my house for whatever reason, that is not discrimination and if it is someone who is obviously a member of one of the aforementioned groups, they would have to show that it was because of that membership and not because their quote was too high. To compare excluding someone for personal or business reasons to overtly doing so because of who or what a person is, is just plain stupid....and dishonest.
And your contention that it has to be based on “hate and malice” for it to be discrimination is just more of your made up bullshit. The only thing that matters is the ACT OF DISCRIMINATION and the only motive that must be proven is that the discrimination took place because that victim is a member of a protected minority.
Now on marriage. You keep saying that gay marriage is protected by the 14th and it is but only because the Obergefell decision carries the FORCE OF LAW as the result of CASE LAW. Yet you keep blathering about how the courts should not be “making law” while offering no explanation as to how, exactly same sex marriage is protected if the courts cannot “make law” in this manner. And you seem to be totally unable to grasp the difference between a situation where the courts make law by interpreting-or in the case of gay marriage-striking down a law, as opposed to legislation that actually creates a law, the latter of which you also oppose.
Getting back to discrimination you are consistently “all in” on protected the made up rights of someone who wishes to exclude another because of their minority status, based on a warped and perverted understanding of religious freedom, while brushing off the real and tangible harm being done to the victim of discrimination. This all adds up to overwhelming evidence that you are totally FULL OF SHIT when you claim to support gay rights and marriage equality. The only thing that I don’t know if your are so stupid that you do not realize how glaringly obvious you bullshit is, or, if you are just playing some sick game here, maybe thinking that those who read your crap are stupid enough to believe it.
Now a question: Christians have historically used religious beliefs to justify racial segregation and even slavery. Some still hold those views but these days they mostly keep it to themselves, What would you say if a Christian restaurant owner established a separate section for black patrons, or excluded them all together? Would that be justifiable, or would it be illegal discrimination. I can’t wait for your answer.
State laws consider it discrimination when someone is refused service or otherwise excluded from a place of public accommodation based on gender, race, religion, national origin and in some cases SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
Ok, so you don't believe people have a right to exercise religious freedom in their business practices. Got it. In your opinion, someone can negate your civil rights and force their lifestyle on you. In the case of the bakery, you feel that if someone asks you to participate in their gay wedding by demanding you bake a cake specifically for that event, you have zero recourse but to comply, compromise your own values in order to accommodate other, and on top of that, if you somehow mess up the cake, they can file a complaint against you because you "purposely made the cake bad because you didn't want to participate in the wedding". I know you think it wouldn't happen, but make gay marriage law and you'll see the wolves come out for blood.
If I don’t hire someone to work on my house for whatever reason, that is not discrimination and if it is someone who is obviously a member of one of the aforementioned groups, they would have to show that it was because of that membership and not because their quote was too high.
How convenient. So a business is considered discriminatory for exercising religious beliefs, but you could deny a that same person a contract to work on your house, and somehow, that's just not discrimination!
while offering no explanation as to how, exactly same sex marriage is protected if the courts cannot “make law” in this manner.
Gay marriage is already protected by the 14th A......
Tell you what...where are the laws that state gun ownership is legal? I see a lot of laws trying to put restrictions on guns, but I don't see any federal laws on the books that state it is legal to own a gun. Why not? Why are there no laws on the books that tell me it's legal for me to own a gun?
What would you say if a Christian restaurant owner established a separate section for black patrons, or excluded them all together? Would that be justifiable, or would it be illegal discrimination.
So, what tennants of Christian faith state that one cannot be associated with black people, or serve black people? I'm no Christian historian so I'll take your word for it on the aforementioned justifications. From my knowledge, there are no Christian laws or commandments to disassociate with anyone based on their skin color, race, or sexual orientation. So, if a Christian took any stance like the ones you mentioned and used their religion as a justification for it, then I'd say they are wrong, because Christianity, according to what I know of it, doesn't teach those things.
You're trying to use a non existent hypothetical to put me in a corner, but sorry, there are no Christian laws that state one has to refuse black people. There are biblical writings that do address homosexuality, and even then, it doesn't state that you have to refuse association with them, it just says not to do it. Some Christians believe that lending their talents to a gay wedding would be akin to then participating and sanctioning the event.
As was the case with masterpiece, they offered to sell them a cake, just not bake one specifically for the wedding. They didn't ridicule them, or anything derogatory toward them. They just said they couldn't comply because of their views, and again, if I recall correctly, the courts ended up agreeing with then.
Also, you do realize that there are organizations that have limited accessability,, or outright bans on white people, and none of you leftys are making waves about that. Again, it's just the white Christian conservative. That's your target...GET EM! be damned about the other discrimination going on....we just won't look at those....
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