Ted Cruz backs county clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples

[Skylar]

It's a big mess but this is what happens when unelected, unaccountable judges decide that they know better than The People what kinds of laws we should have.
The Judiciary was never meant to be supreme over the will of the People.

The Will of the people was never meant to be supreme over the Constitution.

That is why we have a Constitution.

The Constitution exists BY the Will of the People.

The People are the ultimate sovereignty.

Constitutions and governments and elected officials exist at the pleasure of The People.

And, when The People deem it time for a change, they make one.

That includes shoving aside those who persist overly long or overly forcefully in opposing that Will.

Kim Davis is not 'the people'. Your offering us a half assed Sovereign Citizen argument. And those are legally baseless.

 

[Kondor3]

.....Your offering us a half assed Sovereign Citizen argument. And those are legally baseless.

No, I'm playing on a little broader playing-field than Sovereign Citizen... I'm talking about The People as the ULTIMATE sovereignty.

No government, constitution, law or elected officials exist, without their consent.

 

[Skylar]

.....Your offering us a half assed Sovereign Citizen argument. And those are legally baseless.

No, I'm playing on a little broader playing-field than Sovereign Citizen... I'm talking about The People as the ULTIMATE sovereignty.

No government, constitution, law or elected officials exist, without their consent.

Then you run headlong into the part of my post you conveniently omitted: Kim Davis is not 'the people'. She doesn't possess the authority to violate the constitution.

 

[OKTexas]

Evidently you don't, as I posted early in the thread, there is no law in TX requiring county clerks to abandon their religious beliefs to issue SSM licenses. The AG said folks can go to a different clerk, simple isn't it.

No, they can't "go to a different clerk" and yes they must issue the licenses. You need to catch up with current events.

You can get a marriage license from any clerk in the State, you can go elsewhere.

Nope. They get to go to any clerks office in the country. Those public servants that choose to abdicate the duties of their positions will suffer the consequences.

County Clerk in East Texas Resigns Over Gay Marriage Ruling NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth

Hood County clerk s refusal to issue same-sex marriage license costs taxpayers 43 000 Dallas Morning News

Length Marriage License is Valid Once you have received a marriage license from the state of Texas it is only valid for 30 days. Also, the license can only be used within the State of Texas.

http://sandyoaksranch.com/marriagelaws.pdf

You can get a license anywhere in the State and it must be used within the State. It is filed in the County where the wedding occurs. It's a State license, not a county license.

So? When you are employed by the state, you don't get to play the "I won't serve "those people" crap. If you can't do your job because of your religious beliefs, it's time for a new job.

That's what we'd tell a Muslim that didn't want to issue licenses to Christians.

What's the chances of a Muslim being ELECTED County Clerk in TX? Like I said time and again no TX laws were broken and I'll wager that the vast majority of the people who voted for the clerk agree with her actions. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good faghadist lynching. No need to reply, I'm done.

 

[Skylar]

No, they can't "go to a different clerk" and yes they must issue the licenses. You need to catch up with current events.

You can get a marriage license from any clerk in the State, you can go elsewhere.

Nope. They get to go to any clerks office in the country. Those public servants that choose to abdicate the duties of their positions will suffer the consequences.

County Clerk in East Texas Resigns Over Gay Marriage Ruling NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth

Hood County clerk s refusal to issue same-sex marriage license costs taxpayers 43 000 Dallas Morning News

Length Marriage License is Valid Once you have received a marriage license from the state of Texas it is only valid for 30 days. Also, the license can only be used within the State of Texas.

http://sandyoaksranch.com/marriagelaws.pdf

You can get a license anywhere in the State and it must be used within the State. It is filed in the County where the wedding occurs. It's a State license, not a county license.

So? When you are employed by the state, you don't get to play the "I won't serve "those people" crap. If you can't do your job because of your religious beliefs, it's time for a new job.

That's what we'd tell a Muslim that didn't want to issue licenses to Christians.

What's the chances of a Muslim being ELECTED County Clerk in TX? Like I said time and again no TX laws were broken and I'll wager that the vast majority of the people who voted for the clerk agree with her actions. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good faghadist lynching. No need to reply, I'm done.

How does local support allow anyone to violate the constitution? Or to use the State to impose their religious beliefs on unwilling people?

And yes, you are done.

 

[OKTexas]

You can get a marriage license from any clerk in the State, you can go elsewhere.

Nope. They get to go to any clerks office in the country. Those public servants that choose to abdicate the duties of their positions will suffer the consequences.

County Clerk in East Texas Resigns Over Gay Marriage Ruling NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth

Hood County clerk s refusal to issue same-sex marriage license costs taxpayers 43 000 Dallas Morning News

Length Marriage License is Valid Once you have received a marriage license from the state of Texas it is only valid for 30 days. Also, the license can only be used within the State of Texas.

http://sandyoaksranch.com/marriagelaws.pdf

You can get a license anywhere in the State and it must be used within the State. It is filed in the County where the wedding occurs. It's a State license, not a county license.

So? When you are employed by the state, you don't get to play the "I won't serve "those people" crap. If you can't do your job because of your religious beliefs, it's time for a new job.

That's what we'd tell a Muslim that didn't want to issue licenses to Christians.

What's the chances of a Muslim being ELECTED County Clerk in TX? Like I said time and again no TX laws were broken and I'll wager that the vast majority of the people who voted for the clerk agree with her actions. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good faghadist lynching. No need to reply, I'm done.

How does local support allow anyone to violate the constitution? Or to use the State to impose their religious beliefs on unwilling people?

And yes, you are done.

The court says fags may marry, it didn't say every county clerk must issue them a license, TX has 254 counties, some have multiple offices to apply for a marriage license, one says no, find another, simple as finding another baker.

 

[Skylar]

Nope. They get to go to any clerks office in the country. Those public servants that choose to abdicate the duties of their positions will suffer the consequences.

County Clerk in East Texas Resigns Over Gay Marriage Ruling NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth

Hood County clerk s refusal to issue same-sex marriage license costs taxpayers 43 000 Dallas Morning News

Length Marriage License is Valid Once you have received a marriage license from the state of Texas it is only valid for 30 days. Also, the license can only be used within the State of Texas.

http://sandyoaksranch.com/marriagelaws.pdf

You can get a license anywhere in the State and it must be used within the State. It is filed in the County where the wedding occurs. It's a State license, not a county license.

So? When you are employed by the state, you don't get to play the "I won't serve "those people" crap. If you can't do your job because of your religious beliefs, it's time for a new job.

That's what we'd tell a Muslim that didn't want to issue licenses to Christians.

What's the chances of a Muslim being ELECTED County Clerk in TX? Like I said time and again no TX laws were broken and I'll wager that the vast majority of the people who voted for the clerk agree with her actions. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good faghadist lynching. No need to reply, I'm done.

How does local support allow anyone to violate the constitution? Or to use the State to impose their religious beliefs on unwilling people?

And yes, you are done.

The court says fags may marry, it didn't say every county clerk must issue them a license, TX has 254 counties, some have multiple offices to apply for a marriage license, one says no, find another, simple as finding another baker.

The specific legal question being asked was whether marriage licenses had to be issued to same sex couples. The answer was yes.

A county clerk then has the duty to issue said licenses. If they don't, they'll be fined, fired or asked to resign.

Its as simple as that.

 

[oreo]

Look I don't want anyone thinking that the majority of TRUE fiscal conservatives in this country are gay marriage haters--wedding cake and pizza deniers to people that are different.

I don't want any of you to think that we're all standing behind the repeated incest rape of a 9 year old girl in Paraguay by her stepfather, and agree with Mike Huckabee, or any of the other 8 Knuckle dragging Neanderthals, including Ted Cruz, that Paraguay was right in denying her grandmother's request for an abortion for her granddaughter. Mike Huckabee and his supporters are SICK.

The good news is that these candidates like Ted Cruz & Mike Huckabee--only represent 9% of this nation. How in the hell they made to 1st stage in the 1st debate is astounding.

They don't belong anywhere near elected office, much less a micro-phone. THEY'RE STUPID. In fact they're sooo stupid they don't realize that there are millions of Republicans that have gay family members, friends and co--workers that are wholly offended by their statements and actions. Mike Huckabee is soooo STUPID he apparently doesn't know that there are also millions of Republicans that actually have 9 and 10 year old daughters.

So stop SENDING THEM campaign DONATIONS and all of them will go away! They are election killers. The longer they stay in this race--gives them more time to say more stupid stuff.

 

[OKTexas]

Length Marriage License is Valid Once you have received a marriage license from the state of Texas it is only valid for 30 days. Also, the license can only be used within the State of Texas.

http://sandyoaksranch.com/marriagelaws.pdf

You can get a license anywhere in the State and it must be used within the State. It is filed in the County where the wedding occurs. It's a State license, not a county license.

So? When you are employed by the state, you don't get to play the "I won't serve "those people" crap. If you can't do your job because of your religious beliefs, it's time for a new job.

That's what we'd tell a Muslim that didn't want to issue licenses to Christians.

What's the chances of a Muslim being ELECTED County Clerk in TX? Like I said time and again no TX laws were broken and I'll wager that the vast majority of the people who voted for the clerk agree with her actions. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good faghadist lynching. No need to reply, I'm done.

How does local support allow anyone to violate the constitution? Or to use the State to impose their religious beliefs on unwilling people?

And yes, you are done.

The court says fags may marry, it didn't say every county clerk must issue them a license, TX has 254 counties, some have multiple offices to apply for a marriage license, one says no, find another, simple as finding another baker.

The specific legal question being asked was whether marriage licenses had to be issued to same sex couples. The answer was yes.

A county clerk then has the duty to issue said licenses. If they don't, they'll be fined, fired or asked to resign.

Its as simple as that.

Not when there are less restrictive means to meet the requirement. Hint, you little fuckers won't be allowed to destroy the lives of everyone who disagrees with you. Remember pendulums swing both ways.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

So? When you are employed by the state, you don't get to play the "I won't serve "those people" crap. If you can't do your job because of your religious beliefs, it's time for a new job.

That's what we'd tell a Muslim that didn't want to issue licenses to Christians.

What's the chances of a Muslim being ELECTED County Clerk in TX? Like I said time and again no TX laws were broken and I'll wager that the vast majority of the people who voted for the clerk agree with her actions. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good faghadist lynching. No need to reply, I'm done.

How does local support allow anyone to violate the constitution? Or to use the State to impose their religious beliefs on unwilling people?

And yes, you are done.

The court says fags may marry, it didn't say every county clerk must issue them a license, TX has 254 counties, some have multiple offices to apply for a marriage license, one says no, find another, simple as finding another baker.

The specific legal question being asked was whether marriage licenses had to be issued to same sex couples. The answer was yes.

A county clerk then has the duty to issue said licenses. If they don't, they'll be fined, fired or asked to resign.

Its as simple as that.

Not when there are less restrictive means to meet the requirement. Hint, you little fuckers won't be allowed to destroy the lives of everyone who disagrees with you. Remember pendulums swing both ways.

Do your fuckin' jobs, and the faggots will cause you no issues. Simple as that.

 

[Skylar]

So? When you are employed by the state, you don't get to play the "I won't serve "those people" crap. If you can't do your job because of your religious beliefs, it's time for a new job.

That's what we'd tell a Muslim that didn't want to issue licenses to Christians.

What's the chances of a Muslim being ELECTED County Clerk in TX? Like I said time and again no TX laws were broken and I'll wager that the vast majority of the people who voted for the clerk agree with her actions. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good faghadist lynching. No need to reply, I'm done.

How does local support allow anyone to violate the constitution? Or to use the State to impose their religious beliefs on unwilling people?

And yes, you are done.

The court says fags may marry, it didn't say every county clerk must issue them a license, TX has 254 counties, some have multiple offices to apply for a marriage license, one says no, find another, simple as finding another baker.

The specific legal question being asked was whether marriage licenses had to be issued to same sex couples. The answer was yes.

A county clerk then has the duty to issue said licenses. If they don't, they'll be fined, fired or asked to resign.

Its as simple as that.

Not when there are less restrictive means to meet the requirement.

Again, they're weilding state power. By using State power to impose religion upon unwilling people, you violate the 1st amendment. As the State is establishing religion.

Hint: That's against the constitution.

Hint, you little fuckers won't be allowed to destroy the lives of everyone who disagrees with you. Remember pendulums swing both ways.

You can disagree to your heart's content. But if you refuse to do your job and wage war on the Constitution, you're not going to be able to keep wielding state authority. No one mandates that you agree with gay marriage. Only that you issue licenses for marriage in accordance with the law, your oath of office, and the constitution.

All the inbred hicks like the Texan clerk are doing is forcing the State of Texas to fund gay weddings. $40k buys a metric fuckton of glitter and party favors.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Nope. They get to go to any clerks office in the country. Those public servants that choose to abdicate the duties of their positions will suffer the consequences.

County Clerk in East Texas Resigns Over Gay Marriage Ruling NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth

Hood County clerk s refusal to issue same-sex marriage license costs taxpayers 43 000 Dallas Morning News

Length Marriage License is Valid Once you have received a marriage license from the state of Texas it is only valid for 30 days. Also, the license can only be used within the State of Texas.

http://sandyoaksranch.com/marriagelaws.pdf

You can get a license anywhere in the State and it must be used within the State. It is filed in the County where the wedding occurs. It's a State license, not a county license.

So? When you are employed by the state, you don't get to play the "I won't serve "those people" crap. If you can't do your job because of your religious beliefs, it's time for a new job.

That's what we'd tell a Muslim that didn't want to issue licenses to Christians.

What's the chances of a Muslim being ELECTED County Clerk in TX? Like I said time and again no TX laws were broken and I'll wager that the vast majority of the people who voted for the clerk agree with her actions. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good faghadist lynching. No need to reply, I'm done.

How does local support allow anyone to violate the constitution? Or to use the State to impose their religious beliefs on unwilling people?

And yes, you are done.

The court says fags may marry, it didn't say every county clerk must issue them a license, TX has 254 counties, some have multiple offices to apply for a marriage license, one says no, find another, simple as finding another baker.

There's no need to find a gay-friendly anything. Either do your ******* job or sit at home and praise Jesus, your call.

 

[OKTexas]

What's the chances of a Muslim being ELECTED County Clerk in TX? Like I said time and again no TX laws were broken and I'll wager that the vast majority of the people who voted for the clerk agree with her actions. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good faghadist lynching. No need to reply, I'm done.

How does local support allow anyone to violate the constitution? Or to use the State to impose their religious beliefs on unwilling people?

And yes, you are done.

The court says fags may marry, it didn't say every county clerk must issue them a license, TX has 254 counties, some have multiple offices to apply for a marriage license, one says no, find another, simple as finding another baker.

The specific legal question being asked was whether marriage licenses had to be issued to same sex couples. The answer was yes.

A county clerk then has the duty to issue said licenses. If they don't, they'll be fined, fired or asked to resign.

Its as simple as that.

Not when there are less restrictive means to meet the requirement.

Again, they're weilding state power. By using State power to impose religion upon unwilling people, you violate the 1st amendment. As the State is establishing religion.

Hint: That's against the constitution.

Hint, you little fuckers won't be allowed to destroy the lives of everyone who disagrees with you. Remember pendulums swing both ways.

[/QUOTE]You can disagree to your heart's content. But if you refuse to do your job and wage war on the Constitution, you're not going to be able to keep wielding state authority. No one mandates that you agree with gay marriage. Only that you issue licenses for marriage in accordance with the law, your oath of office, and the constitution.

All the inbred hicks like the Texan clerk are doing is forcing the State of Texas to fund gay weddings.[/QUOTE]

You might want to read the first 5 words of the 1st Amendment again.

 

[OKTexas]

Length Marriage License is Valid Once you have received a marriage license from the state of Texas it is only valid for 30 days. Also, the license can only be used within the State of Texas.

http://sandyoaksranch.com/marriagelaws.pdf

You can get a license anywhere in the State and it must be used within the State. It is filed in the County where the wedding occurs. It's a State license, not a county license.

So? When you are employed by the state, you don't get to play the "I won't serve "those people" crap. If you can't do your job because of your religious beliefs, it's time for a new job.

That's what we'd tell a Muslim that didn't want to issue licenses to Christians.

What's the chances of a Muslim being ELECTED County Clerk in TX? Like I said time and again no TX laws were broken and I'll wager that the vast majority of the people who voted for the clerk agree with her actions. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good faghadist lynching. No need to reply, I'm done.

How does local support allow anyone to violate the constitution? Or to use the State to impose their religious beliefs on unwilling people?

And yes, you are done.

The court says fags may marry, it didn't say every county clerk must issue them a license, TX has 254 counties, some have multiple offices to apply for a marriage license, one says no, find another, simple as finding another baker.

There's no need to find a gay-friendly anything. Either do your ******* job or sit at home and praise Jesus, your call.

Kool, how about we start suing states that refuse to recognize our public acts and records. Like CHLs.

 

[Skylar]

You might want to read the first 5 words of the 1st Amendment again.

The freedom to practice your religion doesn't include the power to use State power to impose that religion on the unwilling and compel them to abide your beliefs. Especially in explicit defiance of the law and the constitution.

'Freedom' isn't the power to impose your will on the unwilling. Your entire conception of rights is a wasteland.

 

[Debra K]

Do you have a link to that case?

U.S. judge stays order for Kentucky clerk on gay marriage licenses - Yahoo News

It is standard procedure to issue a stay in order to preserve the status quo while an appeal is pending.

It still ain't over, I'm married to an attorney, I don't need your legal advice

And I'm sure your hubby has never been wrong and has never been on the losing side of any argument or case.

But, I'm happy to know that you are using your hubby's brain because the evidence is clear that you don't have one of your own.

Actually he''s 32-0 in jury trials. If you can't win it settle out of court.

Now scram, you old bore. Left loons are just hideous, nasty creatures

Cool beans for your hubby. And that alleged factoid makes YOU an expert. ROFL

 

[OKTexas]

You might want to read the first 5 words of the 1st Amendment again.

The freedom to practice your religion doesn't include the power to use State power to impose that religion on the unwilling and compel them to abide your beliefs. Especially in explicit defiance of the law and the constitution.

'Freedom' isn't the power to impose your will on the unwilling. Your entire conception of rights is a wasteland.

You don't get it, there is no religious compulsion or imposition, not when there are other alternatives readily available. No one is bound to get their license from any particular clerk, the license is a State license and can be gotten from any clerk in the State and can be exercised in any county in the State. Has anyone refused to register a completed license or has the State refused to issue a certificate of marriage?

 

[Skylar]

You might want to read the first 5 words of the 1st Amendment again.

The freedom to practice your religion doesn't include the power to use State power to impose that religion on the unwilling and compel them to abide your beliefs. Especially in explicit defiance of the law and the constitution.

'Freedom' isn't the power to impose your will on the unwilling. Your entire conception of rights is a wasteland.

You don't get it, there is no religious compulsion or imposition, not when there are other alternatives readily available.

Not while the person imposing their religious views is using State authority. They simply lack the power to do so. They can't ignore the law, ignore their oath of office, and ignore the Constitution if they expect to keep their jobs.

Do your job. Or resign and let someone who will do the job take your place. Either that, or act as a conduit for tens of thousands of Texas State money to fund gay wedding after gay wedding as fines pile up.

Again, 'freedom' isn't the authority to impose your religious views using the State authority. Your entire conception of 'freedom' is completely fucked. You're confusing freedom with power. And a State official doesn't have the power you attribute to them.

 

[OKTexas]

You might want to read the first 5 words of the 1st Amendment again.

The freedom to practice your religion doesn't include the power to use State power to impose that religion on the unwilling and compel them to abide your beliefs. Especially in explicit defiance of the law and the constitution.

'Freedom' isn't the power to impose your will on the unwilling. Your entire conception of rights is a wasteland.

You don't get it, there is no religious compulsion or imposition, not when there are other alternatives readily available.

Not while the person imposing their religious views is using State authority. They simply lack the power to do so. They can't ignore the law, ignore their oath of office, and ignore the Constitution if they expect to keep their jobs.

Do your job. Or resign and let someone who will do the job take your place. Either that, or act as a conduit for tens of thousands of Texas State money to fund gay wedding after gay wedding as fines pile up.

Again, 'freedom' isn't the authority to impose your religious views using the State authority. Your entire conception of 'freedom' is completely fucked. You're confusing freedom with power. And a State official doesn't have the power you attribute to them.

Freedom also isn't 5 lawyers using the conduct of a small minority to forcibly grant rights either. Faghadist already enjoyed all the same rights as everyone of their ethnic origin, race, age and gender. Show me where they didn't, the law was consistent, they were denied nothing.

 

[Katzndogz]

There is nothing in the Constitution about gay marriage. There is about the freedom of religion. By forcing Christians to participate in same sex weddings, the Constitution is being violated. Not taking an action is not forcing someone else to take an action.