Ted Cruz backs county clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples

"love Ted" and hate the constitution.

I love the Bible much more than either............
That is certainly your right. The bible, however, has no role in our laws. Never has and never will. You can live your life according to your own interpretation of any holy book you want; but you cannot ask or demand others to do so.

Why do liberals always say conservatives (Christians) are "forcing" or "demanding" things?
We just want rights like gays and others, to be free to live by our own principles and not be discriminated against or "bullied"....
And you have that right. These clerks, however, are the government. They are agents of the state and they cannot use their own, personal, religious beliefs to refuse to do that which the law requires. Should a criminal judge with a personal, faith based opposition to the death penalty be permitted to refuse to impose a death verdict a jury returns? How about a Catholic clerk refusing to issue marriage licenses to divorced Catholics? There is no rational argument that can be made to allow a government official to refuse to do that which the law requires.

Actually, they can if they are willing to live with the consequences of their actions..........
Sure. The consequences being that they cannot hold those jobs. Someone who opposes capital punishment should not expect to be hired to work on death row if their faith would prohibit them from participating in an execution.
 
Why do liberals always say conservatives (Christians) are "forcing" or "demanding" things?
We just want rights like gays and others, to be free to live by our own principles and not be discriminated against or "bullied"....

Speaking from a legal perspective. You want Christians to be able to deny equal service to gays, but yet gays cannot deny equal service based on religion (under both Federal and State Public Accommodation laws) to Christians.

That isn't the same treatment.


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Unless there are no other options or it's detrimental to the person - I don't care what sex you like, you should be forced to go against your religious beliefs. The laws are now such that they kiss the asses of certain protected minority groups, and they like to run around saying "but it's the LAW" like that means it's right....


Which didn't address the post at all.

You said you want rights just like gays and others. However a gay shop owner can't discriminate against you because you are Christian, but you want a Christian shop owner to be able to discriminate against gays. That's not "We just want rights like gays and others..."

You are asking for special rights to discriminate against them without them being able to do the same.


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I love the Bible much more than either............
That is certainly your right. The bible, however, has no role in our laws. Never has and never will. You can live your life according to your own interpretation of any holy book you want; but you cannot ask or demand others to do so.

Why do liberals always say conservatives (Christians) are "forcing" or "demanding" things?
We just want rights like gays and others, to be free to live by our own principles and not be discriminated against or "bullied"....
And you have that right. These clerks, however, are the government. They are agents of the state and they cannot use their own, personal, religious beliefs to refuse to do that which the law requires. Should a criminal judge with a personal, faith based opposition to the death penalty be permitted to refuse to impose a death verdict a jury returns? How about a Catholic clerk refusing to issue marriage licenses to divorced Catholics? There is no rational argument that can be made to allow a government official to refuse to do that which the law requires.

Actually, they can if they are willing to live with the consequences of their actions..........
Sure. The consequences being that they cannot hold those jobs. Someone who opposes capital punishment should not expect to be hired to work on death row if their faith would prohibit them from participating in an execution.

Maybe. Maybe not. We'll see who "wins" in the end....
 
I have news for you all...

Being gay is UNNATURAL, WRONG and DEVIANT!
No law will change that.
 
I have news for you all...

Being gay is UNNATURAL, WRONG and DEVIANT!
No law will change that.
It should be a religion then you kooks wouldn't be able to discriminate.

it's not discrimination...
it's looking out for the best interests of our country and society....
but Satan has you blinded...
 
Ted Cruz backs county clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples
MSNBC ^ | 06/28/15 12:50 AM | Adam Howard
Sen. Ted Cruz is ready to rain on the parade of Texas citizens celebrating the Supreme Court decision on Friday to legalize same-sex marriage throughout the country.
On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.
“Ours is a country that was built by men and women fleeing religious oppression,” Cruz told the newspaper, “and you look at the foundation of this country—it was to seek out a new land where anyone of us could worship the Lord God Almighty with all of our hearts, minds and souls, without government getting in the way.”

Ted cruz is consistent in his beliefs. Not a flip flopper.


I guess he doesn't believe in America and the rule of law.

Nice.

guess what? laws are made by MEN.
Guess what? men are fallible.
Guess what? men who make laws are bought
Sorry but the "rule of law" can be wrong and people need to acknowledge it and say so when they see it.
What is wrong about requiring a government clerk do the job they are paid to do? And, more importantly, what is wrong with treating gay couples equally to straight couples? A gay couple marrying in Texas has absolutely no effect on you or anyone else. The only thing marriage equality deprives its opponents of is the ability to impose their morality on others; their ability to demand that the law use their religion based views. These clerks have not discretion in issuing a marriage license. They are not permitted to deny one for any reason other than those provided for in the law.
 
I have news for you all...

Being gay is UNNATURAL, WRONG and DEVIANT!
No law will change that.
It should be a religion then you kooks wouldn't be able to discriminate.

it's not discrimination...
it's looking out for the best interests of our country and society....
but Satan has you blinded...
Satan is behind all forms of discrimination. Satan likes the division that is caused by folks like you demanding that your version of god and your interpretation of your holy book be the basis for all of society's rules.
 
I have news for you all...

Being gay is UNNATURAL, WRONG and DEVIANT!
No law will change that.
It should be a religion then you kooks wouldn't be able to discriminate.

it's not discrimination...
it's looking out for the best interests of our country and society....
but Satan has you blinded...
No, it is discrimination that you want legalized.
 
Ted Cruz backs county clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples
MSNBC ^ | 06/28/15 12:50 AM | Adam Howard
Sen. Ted Cruz is ready to rain on the parade of Texas citizens celebrating the Supreme Court decision on Friday to legalize same-sex marriage throughout the country.
On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.
“Ours is a country that was built by men and women fleeing religious oppression,” Cruz told the newspaper, “and you look at the foundation of this country—it was to seek out a new land where anyone of us could worship the Lord God Almighty with all of our hearts, minds and souls, without government getting in the way.”

Ted cruz is consistent in his beliefs. Not a flip flopper.


I guess he doesn't believe in America and the rule of law.

Nice.

guess what? laws are made by MEN.
Guess what? men are fallible.
Guess what? men who make laws are bought
Sorry but the "rule of law" can be wrong and people need to acknowledge it and say so when they see it.
What is wrong about requiring a government clerk do the job they are paid to do? And, more importantly, what is wrong with treating gay couples equally to straight couples? A gay couple marrying in Texas has absolutely no effect on you or anyone else. The only thing marriage equality deprives its opponents of is the ability to impose their morality on others; their ability to demand that the law use their religion based views. These clerks have not discretion in issuing a marriage license. They are not permitted to deny one for any reason other than those provided for in the law.

If you are willing to deal with the consequences of your actions.....
If I want to go out and commit a crime, I can.
I just have to pay the price (if I get caught)
You can not deny humans free will. Even GOD does not do that........
 
I have news for you all...

Being gay is UNNATURAL, WRONG and DEVIANT!
No law will change that.
It should be a religion then you kooks wouldn't be able to discriminate.

it's not discrimination...
it's looking out for the best interests of our country and society....
but Satan has you blinded...
Satan is behind all forms of discrimination. Satan likes the division that is caused by folks like you demanding that your version of god and your interpretation of your holy book be the basis for all of society's rules.

You are wrong.
Show me where *I* demand anything.........
 
I have news for you all...

Being gay is UNNATURAL, WRONG and DEVIANT!
No law will change that.
It should be a religion then you kooks wouldn't be able to discriminate.

it's not discrimination...
it's looking out for the best interests of our country and society....
but Satan has you blinded...
No, it is discrimination that you want legalized.

You are generalizing and being emotional. Stop and think!
 
Ted Cruz backs county clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples
MSNBC ^ | 06/28/15 12:50 AM | Adam Howard
Sen. Ted Cruz is ready to rain on the parade of Texas citizens celebrating the Supreme Court decision on Friday to legalize same-sex marriage throughout the country.
On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.
“Ours is a country that was built by men and women fleeing religious oppression,” Cruz told the newspaper, “and you look at the foundation of this country—it was to seek out a new land where anyone of us could worship the Lord God Almighty with all of our hearts, minds and souls, without government getting in the way.”

Ted cruz is consistent in his beliefs. Not a flip flopper.


I guess he doesn't believe in America and the rule of law.

Nice.

guess what? laws are made by MEN.
Guess what? men are fallible.
Guess what? men who make laws are bought
Sorry but the "rule of law" can be wrong and people need to acknowledge it and say so when they see it.
What is wrong about requiring a government clerk do the job they are paid to do? And, more importantly, what is wrong with treating gay couples equally to straight couples? A gay couple marrying in Texas has absolutely no effect on you or anyone else. The only thing marriage equality deprives its opponents of is the ability to impose their morality on others; their ability to demand that the law use their religion based views. These clerks have not discretion in issuing a marriage license. They are not permitted to deny one for any reason other than those provided for in the law.

If you are willing to deal with the consequences of your actions.....
If I want to go out and commit a crime, I can.
I just have to pay the price (if I get caught)
You can not deny humans free will. Even GOD does not do that........
I agree with you completely. If their faith tells them they cannot participate in the issuance of marriage licenses, then they cannot be forced to do so. They can simply resign from their position.
 
I have news for you all...

Being gay is UNNATURAL, WRONG and DEVIANT!
No law will change that.
It should be a religion then you kooks wouldn't be able to discriminate.

it's not discrimination...
it's looking out for the best interests of our country and society....
but Satan has you blinded...
Satan is behind all forms of discrimination. Satan likes the division that is caused by folks like you demanding that your version of god and your interpretation of your holy book be the basis for all of society's rules.

You are wrong.
Show me where *I* demand anything.........
So, you support marriage equality? I was under the impression that you would prefer that the law refuse to allow gay people to marry and that you support the ability of clerks to refuse to issue licences to couples they think should not be permitted to marry. My mistake.
 
I have news for you all...

Being gay is UNNATURAL, WRONG and DEVIANT!
No law will change that.
It should be a religion then you kooks wouldn't be able to discriminate.

it's not discrimination...
it's looking out for the best interests of our country and society....
but Satan has you blinded...
No, it is discrimination that you want legalized.

You are generalizing and being emotional. Stop and think!
What are you talking about. I simply said that gay people should form a religion and then kooks like you couldn't discriminate against them.
 
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I have news for you all...

Being gay is UNNATURAL, WRONG and DEVIANT!
No law will change that.
It should be a religion then you kooks wouldn't be able to discriminate.

it's not discrimination...
it's looking out for the best interests of our country and society....
but Satan has you blinded...
Satan is behind all forms of discrimination. Satan likes the division that is caused by folks like you demanding that your version of god and your interpretation of your holy book be the basis for all of society's rules.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-10

that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
 
I have news for you all...

Being gay is UNNATURAL, WRONG and DEVIANT!
No law will change that.
It should be a religion then you kooks wouldn't be able to discriminate.

it's not discrimination...
it's looking out for the best interests of our country and society....
but Satan has you blinded...
No, it is discrimination that you want legalized.

You are generalizing and being emotional. Stop and think!
You are calling someone emotional and demanding that they stop and think and you claim that people who have a different opinion of you are blinded by some imaginary creature?
 
I have news for you all...

Being gay is UNNATURAL, WRONG and DEVIANT!
No law will change that.
It should be a religion then you kooks wouldn't be able to discriminate.

it's not discrimination...
it's looking out for the best interests of our country and society....
but Satan has you blinded...
No, it is discrimination that you want legalized.

You are generalizing and being emotional. Stop and think!
What are you talking about. I simply said that gay people should form a religion and then kooks like you couldn't discriminate against them.

They could, but, ultimately, it would be a false religion.
It may hold weight in this world but this is Satan' world (for now) - I pray you will see truth one day.....
 
I have news for you all...

Being gay is UNNATURAL, WRONG and DEVIANT!
No law will change that.
It should be a religion then you kooks wouldn't be able to discriminate.

it's not discrimination...
it's looking out for the best interests of our country and society....
but Satan has you blinded...
Satan is behind all forms of discrimination. Satan likes the division that is caused by folks like you demanding that your version of god and your interpretation of your holy book be the basis for all of society's rules.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-10

that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
And you are acting in accord with the activity of Satan. You are being deceived by Satan.
 

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