Ted Cruz backs county clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples

Dear OKTexas
Shouldn't people have access to change jobs?

For example if a Muslim Hindu or Vegan doesn't believe in serving certain types of meat, isn't it better to get a job in the public schools somewhere else besides the kitchen if they serve those foods there.

I understand people could argue against being fired, but what about relocating them to equal pay jobs
that don't require things they don't believe in. Similar to people who can't serve in the military in combat
positions if they don't believe in killing in war, but they could serve in other areas instead.

I thought he was supposed to understand the constitution?

He does, there's no law in TX that says these county clerks must violate their religious beliefs. the faghadist can find a clerk that will just as easily as they can find another baker or photographer.

False analogy, clerks are elected.

So when the laws change, and if clerks have a religious conflict,
can they be changed to other positions or allow other people or clerks to do that.

What if I am a clerk, someone speaks Bangladesh and I need someone else to handle that person.
What if someone just got robbed or assaulted, I happen to resemble the attacker,
and they don't want to look at me because I trigger PTSD and anxiety attacks.*

Can't someone else help or assist without it becoming a federal issue?

*I had one Vet tell me I freaked him out wearing black and giving him flashbacks of VietCong.
He was showing me and my bf an apartment, but had to stop because I made him so nervous.
If people have issues, I'd rather be honest, and not force them to do business if they have personal problems.
I had another job application get turned down because I was Asian and the Asian businessman wanted
an American secretary to help him with his English and was too embarrassed and uncomfortable with another Asian.

Why does this have to be a big deal? If people aren't comfortable, can't this be worked around?

If people are going to be this picky about marriage, why not separate it by party and reward
citizens for managing their own benefits under the terms of their choice. Like breaking up a trust
and allowing different companies to provide the same services. Can't the civil contracts be
administered through the state, as neutral business and legal agreements between two parties and not get into the personal details of their social relationship, and leave the other social and financial terms to the parties.

Either agree on terms, or create separate tracks.
Given the environment in Texas, I would think both parties would love to run their own machines
and decide their own policies by their own members democratically. They'd have full control that way.
Would love to see something like that work, and might solve other problems with
disagreement over prison and immigration, amnesty and restitution, education, lots of areas
might benefit by separating by party and rewarding citizens for investing in the programs they believe in.
Instead of having to fight other parties and waste billions of dollars that could be invested directly in solutions.

What is it you didn't understand when I said they could easily find another clerk, just as they could find another baker or photographer? That's not what they want, they want to force acceptance and destroy anyone who disagrees. Is the the America you want to live in?

Except the clerk in whatever the **** backwater we're talking about here...is refusing to allow her entire office to issue the licenses. It's not just her and her personal religious beliefs but she is imposing them on others.

Tell me...if a Muslim County Clerk refused to issue marriage licenses to "infidels", what do you think should happen to that individual?
 
Is this the county clerk who was divorced 4 times? She's obviously a devout Christian.
 
Is this the county clerk who was divorced 4 times? She's obviously a devout Christian.

Holy Shit! I just looked that up and Snopes says it's probably true. That is truly astounding. What a piece of work. She apparently skipped over the parts of her bible where Jesus himself spoke strongly against divorce. No such condemnations from HIM about the gays though.

She's just another in the long line of examples proving this is about hating gays, not faith.
 
Dear OKTexas
Shouldn't people have access to change jobs?

For example if a Muslim Hindu or Vegan doesn't believe in serving certain types of meat, isn't it better to get a job in the public schools somewhere else besides the kitchen if they serve those foods there.

I understand people could argue against being fired, but what about relocating them to equal pay jobs
that don't require things they don't believe in. Similar to people who can't serve in the military in combat
positions if they don't believe in killing in war, but they could serve in other areas instead.

He does, there's no law in TX that says these county clerks must violate their religious beliefs. the faghadist can find a clerk that will just as easily as they can find another baker or photographer.

False analogy, clerks are elected.

So when the laws change, and if clerks have a religious conflict,
can they be changed to other positions or allow other people or clerks to do that.

What if I am a clerk, someone speaks Bangladesh and I need someone else to handle that person.
What if someone just got robbed or assaulted, I happen to resemble the attacker,
and they don't want to look at me because I trigger PTSD and anxiety attacks.*

Can't someone else help or assist without it becoming a federal issue?

*I had one Vet tell me I freaked him out wearing black and giving him flashbacks of VietCong.
He was showing me and my bf an apartment, but had to stop because I made him so nervous.
If people have issues, I'd rather be honest, and not force them to do business if they have personal problems.
I had another job application get turned down because I was Asian and the Asian businessman wanted
an American secretary to help him with his English and was too embarrassed and uncomfortable with another Asian.

Why does this have to be a big deal? If people aren't comfortable, can't this be worked around?

If people are going to be this picky about marriage, why not separate it by party and reward
citizens for managing their own benefits under the terms of their choice. Like breaking up a trust
and allowing different companies to provide the same services. Can't the civil contracts be
administered through the state, as neutral business and legal agreements between two parties and not get into the personal details of their social relationship, and leave the other social and financial terms to the parties.

Either agree on terms, or create separate tracks.
Given the environment in Texas, I would think both parties would love to run their own machines
and decide their own policies by their own members democratically. They'd have full control that way.
Would love to see something like that work, and might solve other problems with
disagreement over prison and immigration, amnesty and restitution, education, lots of areas
might benefit by separating by party and rewarding citizens for investing in the programs they believe in.
Instead of having to fight other parties and waste billions of dollars that could be invested directly in solutions.

What is it you didn't understand when I said they could easily find another clerk, just as they could find another baker or photographer? That's not what they want, they want to force acceptance and destroy anyone who disagrees. Is the the America you want to live in?

Except the clerk in whatever the **** backwater we're talking about here...is refusing to allow her entire office to issue the licenses. It's not just her and her personal religious beliefs but she is imposing them on others.

Tell me...if a Muslim County Clerk refused to issue marriage licenses to "infidels", what do you think should happen to that individual?
She is imposing her religious beliefs on others. The Marshals will be by to pick her up for contempt of court.
 
7 black robed judges, 4 of which are hard left should not decide on gay marriage when the vast majority are against it.

First: There are nine (9) Supreme Court Justices.
Second: The vast majority are not against equal protection under the law for homosexual persons. The vast majority are not against homosexual persons having the same right that heterosexual persons have to marry the person of their choice.
 
Same-sex couples again denied marriage licenses in Rowan clerk asks judge to delay order Politics and Government Kentucky.com

Same-sex couples again were turned away from the Rowan County courthouse Thursday as County Clerk Kim Davis formally asked a judge to delay his order requiring her to resume issuing marriage licenses. The judge's decision is not expected until early next week, leaving the county of 23,655 people in legal limbo.

David Moore and David Ermold, of Rowan County, were refused a marriage license Thursday morning by Deputy County Clerk Nathan Davis, who is Kim Davis' son. Kim Davis was not in the office, Moore was told.

Read more here: Same-sex couples again denied marriage licenses in Rowan clerk asks judge to delay order Politics and Government Kentucky.com
And the violation of the people's civil rights by state agents Kim Davis and her son, Nathan Davis, continue....

Can't they ask to be transferred to jobs that don't require them to do anything against their beliefs?

If the gay couples can just go ask a different baker,
why can't these people just ask for different jobs?

I can't always serve on juries when there are criminal issues that invoke laws I don't believe in.
But that doesn't mean i can't serve on a jury for civil issues that don't have those conflicts!
Don't know about different jobs, but they clearly are not doing the job they now hold and should be removed.
 
7 black robed judges, 4 of which are hard left should not decide on gay marriage when the vast majority are against it.

ninja007 I would take it a step further.
Whether or not the majority or minority supports X belief or Y belief about marriage,
because marriage is a matter of belief, then govt should not dictate for the people.

Emily: Every post you write indicates that you lack fundamental understanding about our form of government. Marriage is not a "matter of belief". Marriage is a civil contract between two persons that may only be entered, maintained, or dissolved in accordance with state law.

You have not offered a better form of government. You have made suggestions that call for dividing the people of this nation into groups according to "group beliefs" and allowing each group to do whatever they want. You have even suggested that satanic cults should be allowed to murder people if the members of those cults believe in murder. I think your ideas are absurd. That's why I don't want to continue to respond to your posts because you don't want to learn ... you have brainwashed yourself into believing that you know better than our founding fathers how to establish a workable government for a diverse population of people. It's not my job nor my inclination to undo the many years of deception and brainwashing that you have perpetrated upon yourself.
 
Ted Cruz backs county clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples
MSNBC ^ | 06/28/15 12:50 AM | Adam Howard
Sen. Ted Cruz is ready to rain on the parade of Texas citizens celebrating the Supreme Court decision on Friday to legalize same-sex marriage throughout the country.
On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.
“Ours is a country that was built by men and women fleeing religious oppression,” Cruz told the newspaper, “and you look at the foundation of this country—it was to seek out a new land where anyone of us could worship the Lord God Almighty with all of our hearts, minds and souls, without government getting in the way.”

Ted cruz is consistent in his beliefs. Not a flip flopper.
…

Love Ted!
 
7 black robed judges, 4 of which are hard left should not decide on gay marriage when the vast majority are against it.

ninja007 I would take it a step further.
Whether or not the majority or minority supports X belief or Y belief about marriage,
because marriage is a matter of belief, then govt should not dictate for the people.

Emily: Every post you write indicates that you lack fundamental understanding about our form of government. Marriage is not a "matter of belief". Marriage is a civil contract between two persons that may only be entered, maintained, or dissolved in accordance with state law.

You have not offered a better form of government. You have made suggestions that call for dividing the people of this nation into groups according to "group beliefs" and allowing each group to do whatever they want. You have even suggested that satanic cults should be allowed to murder people if the members of those cults believe in murder. I think your ideas are absurd. That's why I don't want to continue to respond to your posts because you don't want to learn ... you have brainwashed yourself into believing that you know better than our founding fathers how to establish a workable government for a diverse population of people. It's not my job nor my inclination to undo the many years of deception and brainwashing that you have perpetrated upon yourself.
Emily is clearly not firing on all pistons.
 
Ted Cruz backs county clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples
MSNBC ^ | 06/28/15 12:50 AM | Adam Howard
Sen. Ted Cruz is ready to rain on the parade of Texas citizens celebrating the Supreme Court decision on Friday to legalize same-sex marriage throughout the country.
On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.
“Ours is a country that was built by men and women fleeing religious oppression,” Cruz told the newspaper, “and you look at the foundation of this country—it was to seek out a new land where anyone of us could worship the Lord God Almighty with all of our hearts, minds and souls, without government getting in the way.”

Ted cruz is consistent in his beliefs. Not a flip flopper.
…

Love Ted!
"love Ted" and hate the constitution.
 
Ted Cruz backs county clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples
MSNBC ^ | 06/28/15 12:50 AM | Adam Howard
Sen. Ted Cruz is ready to rain on the parade of Texas citizens celebrating the Supreme Court decision on Friday to legalize same-sex marriage throughout the country.
On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.
“Ours is a country that was built by men and women fleeing religious oppression,” Cruz told the newspaper, “and you look at the foundation of this country—it was to seek out a new land where anyone of us could worship the Lord God Almighty with all of our hearts, minds and souls, without government getting in the way.”

Ted cruz is consistent in his beliefs. Not a flip flopper.
…

Love Ted!
"love Ted" and hate the constitution.

I love the Bible much more than either............
 
Ted Cruz backs county clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples
MSNBC ^ | 06/28/15 12:50 AM | Adam Howard
Sen. Ted Cruz is ready to rain on the parade of Texas citizens celebrating the Supreme Court decision on Friday to legalize same-sex marriage throughout the country.
On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.
“Ours is a country that was built by men and women fleeing religious oppression,” Cruz told the newspaper, “and you look at the foundation of this country—it was to seek out a new land where anyone of us could worship the Lord God Almighty with all of our hearts, minds and souls, without government getting in the way.”

Ted cruz is consistent in his beliefs. Not a flip flopper.
…

Love Ted!
"love Ted" and hate the constitution.

I love the Bible much more than either............
That is certainly your right. The bible, however, has no role in our laws. Never has and never will. You can live your life according to your own interpretation of any holy book you want; but you cannot ask or demand others to do so.
 
Ted Cruz backs county clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples
MSNBC ^ | 06/28/15 12:50 AM | Adam Howard
Sen. Ted Cruz is ready to rain on the parade of Texas citizens celebrating the Supreme Court decision on Friday to legalize same-sex marriage throughout the country.
On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.
“Ours is a country that was built by men and women fleeing religious oppression,” Cruz told the newspaper, “and you look at the foundation of this country—it was to seek out a new land where anyone of us could worship the Lord God Almighty with all of our hearts, minds and souls, without government getting in the way.”

Ted cruz is consistent in his beliefs. Not a flip flopper.
…

Love Ted!
"love Ted" and hate the constitution.

I love the Bible much more than either............
That is certainly your right. The bible, however, has no role in our laws. Never has and never will. You can live your life according to your own interpretation of any holy book you want; but you cannot ask or demand others to do so.

Why do liberals always say conservatives (Christians) are "forcing" or "demanding" things?
We just want rights like gays and others, to be free to live by our own principles and not be discriminated against or "bullied"....
 
Ted Cruz backs county clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples
MSNBC ^ | 06/28/15 12:50 AM | Adam Howard
Ted cruz is consistent in his beliefs. Not a flip flopper.
…

Love Ted!
"love Ted" and hate the constitution.

I love the Bible much more than either............
That is certainly your right. The bible, however, has no role in our laws. Never has and never will. You can live your life according to your own interpretation of any holy book you want; but you cannot ask or demand others to do so.

Why do liberals always say conservatives (Christians) are "forcing" or "demanding" things?
We just want rights like gays and others, to be free to live by our own principles and not be discriminated against or "bullied"....
And you have that right. These clerks, however, are the government. They are agents of the state and they cannot use their own, personal, religious beliefs to refuse to do that which the law requires. Should a criminal judge with a personal, faith based opposition to the death penalty be permitted to refuse to impose a death verdict a jury returns? How about a Catholic clerk refusing to issue marriage licenses to divorced Catholics? There is no rational argument that can be made to allow a government official to refuse to do that which the law requires.
 
Why do liberals always say conservatives (Christians) are "forcing" or "demanding" things?
We just want rights like gays and others, to be free to live by our own principles and not be discriminated against or "bullied"....

Speaking from a legal perspective. You want Christians to be able to deny equal service to gays, but yet gays cannot deny equal service based on religion (under both Federal and State Public Accommodation laws) to Christians.

That isn't the same treatment.


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Why do liberals always say conservatives (Christians) are "forcing" or "demanding" things?
We just want rights like gays and others, to be free to live by our own principles and not be discriminated against or "bullied"....

Speaking from a legal perspective. You want Christians to be able to deny equal service to gays, but yet gays cannot deny equal service based on religion (under both Federal and State Public Accommodation laws) to Christians.

That isn't the same treatment.


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Unless there are no other options or it's detrimental to the person - I don't care what sex you like, you should be forced to go against your religious beliefs. The laws are now such that they kiss the asses of certain protected minority groups, and they like to run around saying "but it's the LAW" like that means it's right....
 
Love Ted!
"love Ted" and hate the constitution.

I love the Bible much more than either............
That is certainly your right. The bible, however, has no role in our laws. Never has and never will. You can live your life according to your own interpretation of any holy book you want; but you cannot ask or demand others to do so.

Why do liberals always say conservatives (Christians) are "forcing" or "demanding" things?
We just want rights like gays and others, to be free to live by our own principles and not be discriminated against or "bullied"....
And you have that right. These clerks, however, are the government. They are agents of the state and they cannot use their own, personal, religious beliefs to refuse to do that which the law requires. Should a criminal judge with a personal, faith based opposition to the death penalty be permitted to refuse to impose a death verdict a jury returns? How about a Catholic clerk refusing to issue marriage licenses to divorced Catholics? There is no rational argument that can be made to allow a government official to refuse to do that which the law requires.

Actually, they can if they are willing to live with the consequences of their actions..........
 
Ted Cruz backs county clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples
MSNBC ^ | 06/28/15 12:50 AM | Adam Howard
Sen. Ted Cruz is ready to rain on the parade of Texas citizens celebrating the Supreme Court decision on Friday to legalize same-sex marriage throughout the country.
On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.
“Ours is a country that was built by men and women fleeing religious oppression,” Cruz told the newspaper, “and you look at the foundation of this country—it was to seek out a new land where anyone of us could worship the Lord God Almighty with all of our hearts, minds and souls, without government getting in the way.”

Ted cruz is consistent in his beliefs. Not a flip flopper.
…


I guess he doesn't believe in America and the rule of law.

Nice.
 
Ted Cruz backs county clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples
MSNBC ^ | 06/28/15 12:50 AM | Adam Howard
Sen. Ted Cruz is ready to rain on the parade of Texas citizens celebrating the Supreme Court decision on Friday to legalize same-sex marriage throughout the country.
On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.
“Ours is a country that was built by men and women fleeing religious oppression,” Cruz told the newspaper, “and you look at the foundation of this country—it was to seek out a new land where anyone of us could worship the Lord God Almighty with all of our hearts, minds and souls, without government getting in the way.”

Ted cruz is consistent in his beliefs. Not a flip flopper.
…


I guess he doesn't believe in America and the rule of law.

Nice.

guess what? laws are made by MEN.
Guess what? men are fallible.
Guess what? men who make laws are bought
Sorry but the "rule of law" can be wrong and people need to acknowledge it and say so when they see it.
 
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