Teaching Anal Sex As "Good" In Schools. Where Is This Heading & Why?

[Syriusly]

This is why parents home school and use private schools. To keep their child away from filth

Considering that most child sexual abuse is done by family members- and private schools are no more successful screening out child predators than public schools- parents who home school might be doing so thinking that they are protecting their kids from predators- or they could be home schooling to isolate their kids from any outside influences.....and keep them from reporting abuses.

I was referring to the teaching, moron. Good gawd you're a dense one

Your inability to respond in a clear and concise fashion is not my problem or my concern.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

This is why parents home school and use private schools. To keep their child away from filth

Considering that most child sexual abuse is done by family members- and private schools are no more successful screening out child predators than public schools- parents who home school might be doing so thinking that they are protecting their kids from predators- or they could be home schooling to isolate their kids from any outside influences.....and keep them from reporting abuses.

I was referring to the teaching, moron. Good gawd you're a dense one

Your inability to respond in a clear and concise fashion is not my problem or my concern.

Your inability to comprehend is sad. Stop thinking you're intelligent, your posting history proves otherwise....that and your feeble attempt to be condescending was just that, feeble.

 

[Silhouette]

Oops...looks like a flame war. Moderators, shut the thread down....quick!! At least dungeon it! Get it out of here fast!!

 

[koshergrl]

What a convoluted mess! Gays are going to continue raise/adopt children and their isn't a single thing you can do about it. These constant and lame attempts by you to smear gay families isn't working as only one state does't allow gay people to adopt. One.

Please, please, pay attention to my other 9,000 threads smearing gays. Please.

Actually, there is a lot we can do about it.

Will the depravity ever been entirely eliminated? No, not until the second coming. But until then, we're supposed to do our best with what we have to work with.

 

[Silhouette]

This is why parents home school and use private schools. To keep their child away from filth

Considering that most child sexual abuse is done by family members- and private schools are no more successful screening out child predators than public schools- parents who home school might be doing so thinking that they are protecting their kids from predators- or they could be home schooling to isolate their kids from any outside influences.....and keep them from reporting abuses.

I was referring to the teaching, moron. Good gawd you're a dense one

No, Syriusly isn't as dense as all that. What she is engaged in doing is introducing a strawman so you'll forget the thread is about how teaching anal sex to kids in school as "good" is a form of pedophilic grooming on behalf of the LGBT cult members who are promoting this..

 

[SassyIrishLass]

This is why parents home school and use private schools. To keep their child away from filth

Considering that most child sexual abuse is done by family members- and private schools are no more successful screening out child predators than public schools- parents who home school might be doing so thinking that they are protecting their kids from predators- or they could be home schooling to isolate their kids from any outside influences.....and keep them from reporting abuses.

I was referring to the teaching, moron. Good gawd you're a dense one

No, Syriusly isn't as dense as all that. What she is engaged in doing is introducing a strawman so you'll forget the thread is about how teaching anal sex to kids in school as "good" is a form of pedophilic grooming on behalf of the LGBT cult members who are promoting this..

I don't think it's so much a LGBT issue as it is a leftist issue, they want to indoctrinate the children across the spectrum, from politics to sex and everything in between

 

[mdk]

What a convoluted mess! Gays are going to continue raise/adopt children and their isn't a single thing you can do about it. These constant and lame attempts by you to smear gay families isn't working as only one state does't allow gay people to adopt. One.

Please, please, pay attention to my other 9,000 threads smearing gays. Please.

Actually, there is a lot we can do about it.

Will the depravity ever been entirely eliminated? No, not until the second coming. But until then, we're supposed to do our best with what we have to work with.

Best of luck. In the meantime, gays will to continue marry and raise their families.

 

[Silhouette]

Best of luck. In the meantime, gays will continue marry and raise their families.

That's not what this thread is about. It's about the LGBT lobby machine forcing a curriculum in schools that urges children to try out anal sex. It's about that being an increment of pedophilic-grooming. That these same people are marrying so they can legally-force adoption agencies to disgorge their orphans to them (or else threat of discrimination lawsuit), is not the topic of this thread...

 

[turzovka]

As far as gay adoption is concerned, even though there are some good hearted gay couples who are willing to adopt older kids who would otherwise remain orphans or in foster homes --- I think overall the idea is very bad for society and very bad for almost all children involved. This godless nation has abandoned the meaning of a father and a mother and how a child needs to be raised and nurtured. It is really unbelievable how insane this “affluent” nation has become.

I think leaving children in foster care with no parents because their own mother and father have chosen to abandon them- or abuse them- because you have a problem with homosexuals being parents is cruel to those kids.

100,000 children available for adoption at any time.
33,000 or so of them will wait 3 or more years to be adopted.
Tens of thousands of kids will age out of the system each year- abandoned by the state with no family to support them financially or emotionally at 18 years old.
This is what you prefer rather than allowing a gay woman or a gay couple offer to bring a child into their home and be part of their family.

This is not an easy call for me in the least. I did not really make myself clear either because I do appreciate the willingness of gay couples to rescue older orphaned kids from their sorrowful world. That I cannot criticize. Nor do I think gay people are void of goodness, of course.

The problems I have are that a gay couples home is not really a good environment, generally speaking, for a child to grow up in. (Nor is a heterosexual married couple home if it is filled with domestic abuse or other egregious relationship issues, yes I know, but leaving that aside for this topic.) In a gay couples home, there is a far higher likelihood of children being pushed towards a gay lifestyle. Of children being taught the wrong messages about hetero people and about Christianity. This will all play heavily against the child’s well being.

If you also read testimonies of many children from gay homes they are pretty tragic sounding, so again, I think the occurrence of such a world is more likely to happen in those kinds of homes.

But so now I have to weigh that out against growing up in a foster home where there is also more likelihood of little or no love and not a very bright future. Well then now that I am cornered I will say this: If allowing gay couples to adopt older children also means they have great access to adopting infants as well then I vote against allowing gay couples to adopt. Because there are a million couples on waiting lists for infants who are in my way of thinking far better situation for the raising of a child than gay couples. Which also makes the thought of abortion so much more hellish. No one has to raise a newborn they say they cannot afford to.

I try to understand what the one true God wants in these situations, not what modern day “ethics” or pop psychology insists is what’s best. Man has created most of these problems for himself.

 

[mdk]

Best of luck. In the meantime, gays will continue marry and raise their families.

That's not what this thread is about. It's about the LGBT lobby machine forcing a curriculum in schools that urges children to try out anal sex. It's about that being an increment of pedophilic-grooming. That these same people are marrying so they can legally-force adoption agencies to disgorge their orphans to them (or else threat of discrimination lawsuit), is not the topic of this thread...

You're the one the brought up adoption in the OP but now it suddenly is off-topic. Too funny. It isn't my fault your thread is a convoluted mess.

What schools are being forced to teach their students to go out and try anal sex?

 

[namvet]

ragheads are the best teachers. just ask any goat

 

[Syriusly]

As far as gay adoption is concerned, even though there are some good hearted gay couples who are willing to adopt older kids who would otherwise remain orphans or in foster homes --- I think overall the idea is very bad for society and very bad for almost all children involved. This godless nation has abandoned the meaning of a father and a mother and how a child needs to be raised and nurtured. It is really unbelievable how insane this “affluent” nation has become.

I think leaving children in foster care with no parents because their own mother and father have chosen to abandon them- or abuse them- because you have a problem with homosexuals being parents is cruel to those kids.

100,000 children available for adoption at any time.
33,000 or so of them will wait 3 or more years to be adopted.
Tens of thousands of kids will age out of the system each year- abandoned by the state with no family to support them financially or emotionally at 18 years old.
This is what you prefer rather than allowing a gay woman or a gay couple offer to bring a child into their home and be part of their family.

This is not an easy call for me in the least. I did not really make myself clear either because I do appreciate the willingness of gay couples to rescue older orphaned kids from their sorrowful world. That I cannot criticize. Nor do I think gay people are void of goodness, of course.

The problems I have are that a gay couples home is not really a good environment, generally speaking, for a child to grow up in. (Nor is a heterosexual married couple home if it is filled with domestic abuse or other egregious relationship issues, yes I know, but leaving that aside for this topic.) In a gay couples home, there is a far higher likelihood of children being pushed towards a gay lifestyle. Of children being taught the wrong messages about hetero people and about Christianity. This will all play heavily against the child’s well being.

Well lets talk about those assumptions for a moment.

'not really a good environment for a child to grow up in'- adoption agencies do actually vet potential adoptive parents- I want to assume that you agree that the same vetting standards should apply to gay people(single parents also adopt) as straight people.

So your essential concern breaks down to:

• In a gay couples home, there is a far higher likelihood of children being pushed towards a gay lifestyle.

'pushed towards a 'gay lifestyle'- presumably each of these parents grew up with parents who pushed them towards a 'straight lifestyle'- and yet- here they are gay. Yes- I do believe that children raised by gays grow up being non-judgemental of gays- I think that is a plus.

• Of children being taught the wrong messages about hetero people

What is the 'wrong message' about hetero people? Every gay person I know is surrounded by 'hetero' people in their lives- their mother and father, siblings, friends, co-workers. What is the 'wrong message' about 'hetero' people you think these people will teach?

• and about Christianity

Large proportions of homosexuals are Christians. And large proportions of those who adopt are not Christian. Would you want to prevent a Jew from adopting because you are worried that the child might be taught 'the wrong message about Christianity'?

I think what all of that really comes down to is that you are uncomfortable with a child being raised and being taught to treat people the same irregardless of what gender that they are attracted to.

But many of us are already teaching our children that- and that is a very, very good thing.

 

[Syriusly]

Best of luck. In the meantime, gays will continue marry and raise their families.

That's not what this thread is about. It's about the LGBT lobby machine forcing a curriculum in schools that urges children to try out anal sex. .

This thread is just another one of your regular unsubstantiated and delusional attacks on homosexuals.

Nothing more- nothing less.

 

[Syriusly]

This is why parents home school and use private schools. To keep their child away from filth

Considering that most child sexual abuse is done by family members- and private schools are no more successful screening out child predators than public schools- parents who home school might be doing so thinking that they are protecting their kids from predators- or they could be home schooling to isolate their kids from any outside influences.....and keep them from reporting abuses.

I was referring to the teaching, moron. Good gawd you're a dense one

No, Syriusly isn't as dense as all that. What she is engaged in doing is introducing a strawman so you'll forget the thread is about how teaching anal sex to kids in school as "good" is a form of pedophilic grooming on behalf of the LGBT cult members who are promoting this..

I don't think it's so much a LGBT issue as it is a leftist issue, they want to indoctrinate the children across the spectrum, from politics to sex and everything in between

Thats right- the Conservatives want to keep their children home and isolated, so that they are not allowed to hear any opinion other than the ones tightly controlled by their Conservative parents. Controlled indoctrination.

 

[Syriusly]

t the thread is about how teaching anal sex to kids in school as "good" ..

Who is teaching anal sex to kids in school as good Silhouette?

Who- where- details and links.

 

[turzovka]

As far as gay adoption is concerned, even though there are some good hearted gay couples who are willing to adopt older kids who would otherwise remain orphans or in foster homes --- I think overall the idea is very bad for society and very bad for almost all children involved. This godless nation has abandoned the meaning of a father and a mother and how a child needs to be raised and nurtured. It is really unbelievable how insane this “affluent” nation has become.

I think leaving children in foster care with no parents because their own mother and father have chosen to abandon them- or abuse them- because you have a problem with homosexuals being parents is cruel to those kids.

100,000 children available for adoption at any time.
33,000 or so of them will wait 3 or more years to be adopted.
Tens of thousands of kids will age out of the system each year- abandoned by the state with no family to support them financially or emotionally at 18 years old.
This is what you prefer rather than allowing a gay woman or a gay couple offer to bring a child into their home and be part of their family.

This is not an easy call for me in the least. I did not really make myself clear either because I do appreciate the willingness of gay couples to rescue older orphaned kids from their sorrowful world. That I cannot criticize. Nor do I think gay people are void of goodness, of course.

The problems I have are that a gay couples home is not really a good environment, generally speaking, for a child to grow up in. (Nor is a heterosexual married couple home if it is filled with domestic abuse or other egregious relationship issues, yes I know, but leaving that aside for this topic.) In a gay couples home, there is a far higher likelihood of children being pushed towards a gay lifestyle. Of children being taught the wrong messages about hetero people and about Christianity. This will all play heavily against the child’s well being.

Well lets talk about those assumptions for a moment.

'not really a good environment for a child to grow up in'- adoption agencies do actually vet potential adoptive parents- I want to assume that you agree that the same vetting standards should apply to gay people(single parents also adopt) as straight people.

So your essential concern breaks down to:

• In a gay couples home, there is a far higher likelihood of children being pushed towards a gay lifestyle.

'pushed towards a 'gay lifestyle'- presumably each of these parents grew up with parents who pushed them towards a 'straight lifestyle'- and yet- here they are gay. Yes- I do believe that children raised by gays grow up being non-judgemental of gays- I think that is a plus.

• Of children being taught the wrong messages about hetero people

What is the 'wrong message' about hetero people? Every gay person I know is surrounded by 'hetero' people in their lives- their mother and father, siblings, friends, co-workers. What is the 'wrong message' about 'hetero' people you think these people will teach?

• and about Christianity

Large proportions of homosexuals are Christians. And large proportions of those who adopt are not Christian. Would you want to prevent a Jew from adopting because you are worried that the child might be taught 'the wrong message about Christianity'?

I think what all of that really comes down to is that you are uncomfortable with a child being raised and being taught to treat people the same irregardless of what gender that they are attracted to.

But many of us are already teaching our children that- and that is a very, very good thing.

What I was trying to note was that there was a far greater preponderance of those issues I raised to be found in a gay couples’ home or relationship with their children than in a heterosexual home. And for that reason alone that becomes a serious concern for me. The religious angle is very large unto itself. No, I do not believe there are all than many gay Christian couples, maybe I am wrong. But I take some stock in this one article alone below. It leads me to believe these kinds of situations are more widespread than anyone cares to admit or research.

==============================================================

Adults Raised by Gay Couples Speak Out Against Gay ‘Marriage’ in Federal Court

Adults Raised by Gay Couples Speak Out Against Gay ‘Marriage’ in Federal Court

By Lauretta Brown | January 23, 2015 | 4:24 PM EST

(CNSNews.com) – Four adult children of same-sex parents have submitted amicus curiae briefs in the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals asking that it oppose the legalization of same-sex “marriage."

The Court, in New Orleans, La., heard arguments on Jan. 9 as it considers whether to uphold traditional marriage – defined as being between one man and one woman -- in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

B.N. Klein, Robert Oscar Lopez, Dawn Stefanowicz, and Katy Faust all grew up with homosexual parents. All four argued that redefining marriage to include same-sex couples would harm children by depriving them of a mother or father.

In her brief, Dawn Stefanowicz described her experience living in a same-sex household.

“I wasn’t surrounded by average heterosexual couples,” she says in her court brief. “Dad’s partners slept and ate in our home, and they took me along to meeting places in the LGBT communities. I was exposed to overt sexual activities like sodomy, nudity, pornography, group sex, sadomasochism and the ilk.”

“There was no guarantee that any of my Dad’s partners would be around for long, and yet I often had to obey them,” she said. “My rights and innocence were violated.”

“As children, we are not allowed to express our disagreement, pain and confusion,” Stefanowicz explained. “Most adult children from gay households do not feel safe or free to publicly express their stories and life-long challenges; they fear losing professional licenses, not obtaining employment in their chosen field, being cut off from some family members or losing whatever relationship they have with their gay parent(s). Some gay parents have threatened to leave no inheritance, if the children don’t accept their parent’s partner du jour.”

“I grew up with a parent and her partner in an atmosphere in which gay ideology was used as a tool of repression, retribution and abuse,” B.N. Klein wrote of her experience with a lesbian mother. “I have seen that children in gay households often become props to be publicly displayed to prove that gay families are just like heterosexual ones.”

Klein said she was taught that “some Jews and most Christians were stupid and hated gays and were violent,” and that homosexuals were “much more creative and artistic” because they were not repressed and were naturally more ‘feeling.’”

“At the same time I was given the message that if I did not agree (which I did not), I was stupid and damned to a life of punishing hostility from my mother and her partner,” she recounts. “They did this with the encouragement of all their gay friends in the community and they were like a cheering squad. I was only allowed out of my room to go to school. This could go on for weeks.”

“I was supposed to hate everyone based on what they thought of my mother and her partner,” said Klein. “People’s accomplishments did not matter, their personal struggles did not matter, and their own histories were of no consequence. The only thing that mattered was what they thought of gays.”

Robert Oscar Lopez who was also raised by a lesbian mother and her partner, had a different experience which he described as the “best possible conditions for a child raised by a same-sex couple.”

“Had I been formally studied by same-sex parenting ‘experts’ in 1985, I would have confirmed their rosiest estimations of LGBT family life,” Lopez wrote, but then went on to argue against same-sex marriage saying that, “behind these facades of a happy ‘outcome’ lay many problems.”

He describes experiencing a great deal of sexual confusion due to the lack of a father figure in his life. He turned to a life of prostitution with older men as a teenager.

“I had an inexplicable compulsion to have sex with older males,” he recounted, saying he “wanted to have sex with older men who were my father’s age, though at the time I could scarcely understand what I was doing.”

“The money I received for sex certainly helped me financially because it allowed me certain spending money beyond what I earned with my teenage jobs at a pizzeria and in my mother’s [psychiatric] clinic,” he states in the brief. “But the money was not as impactful as the fact that I needed to feel loved and wanted by an older male figure, even if for only as short as a half hour.”

“As early as ten years ago, I developed a clear stance on homosexual relationships. A civil union or some kind of state recognition would have helped my mother and her partner,” Lopez writes.

“Yet the traditional marriage laws in New York State as they existed back then prevented my mother and her partner from entirely cutting my father out of my life,” he explained. “The latter reality proved pivotal because my re-establishment of ties to my father in 1998 led to a transition in my life, from being lost and sexually confused to being stable and romantically fulfilled.”

Katy Faust, who grew up with a lesbian mother and her partner also testified against gay marriage but clarified that “my advocacy against gay marriage and for the rights of children will never include condemnation of my mother and her partner or details about their private lives.”

“When we institutionalize same-sex marriage,” Faust writes, “we move from permitting citizens the freedom to live as they choose, to promoting same-sex headed households. In doing so, we ignore the true nature of the outcropping of marriage.”

“Now we are normalizing a family structure where a child will always be deprived daily of one gender influence and the relationship with at least one natural parent,” she explains, “Our cultural narrative becomes one that, in essence, tells children that they have no right to the natural family structure or their biological parents, but that children simply exist for the satisfaction of adult desires.”

The 5th Circuit is still considering the legality of state bans on same-sex “marriage” and will issue an opinion in the coming months.

The U.S. Supreme Court announced on Jan. 19 that it will consider gay “marriage” bans in Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee with oral arguments in April and a ruling before the end of the current term in June.

 

[koshergrl]

What a convoluted mess! Gays are going to continue raise/adopt children and their isn't a single thing you can do about it. These constant and lame attempts by you to smear gay families isn't working as only one state does't allow gay people to adopt. One.

Please, please, pay attention to my other 9,000 threads smearing gays. Please.

There's going to be a rash of kids killing their *** "parents" while they sleep when they realize it's the only escape from a fate worse than death.

I hope you're equally willing to accept that corollary.

Gay people have been raising children for quite some time now. One would think there would be a spike in '*** parents' being killed in their sleep already. I don't have the stats right in front of me but a rash of killings wouldn't go unnoticed.

Either way, the OP is an idiot and don't be shocked if you get accused of being gay for using the word *** in this thread. lol.

What a convoluted mess! Gays are going to continue raise/adopt children and their isn't a single thing you can do about it. These constant and lame attempts by you to smear gay families isn't working as only one state does't allow gay people to adopt. One.

Please, please, pay attention to my other 9,000 threads smearing gays. Please.

Actually, there is a lot we can do about it.

Will the depravity ever been entirely eliminated? No, not until the second coming. But until then, we're supposed to do our best with what we have to work with.

Best of luck. In the meantime, gays will to continue marry and raise their families.

Unfortunately. There will also continue to be child abuse, predation, exploitation, murder, and mental illness.

Just because it's part of the human condition doesn't mean we have to accept it as normal.

 

[Syriusly]

As far as gay adoption is concerned, even though there are some good hearted gay couples who are willing to adopt older kids who would otherwise remain orphans or in foster homes --- I think overall the idea is very bad for society and very bad for almost all children involved. This godless nation has abandoned the meaning of a father and a mother and how a child needs to be raised and nurtured. It is really unbelievable how insane this “affluent” nation has become.

I think leaving children in foster care with no parents because their own mother and father have chosen to abandon them- or abuse them- because you have a problem with homosexuals being parents is cruel to those kids.

100,000 children available for adoption at any time.
33,000 or so of them will wait 3 or more years to be adopted.
Tens of thousands of kids will age out of the system each year- abandoned by the state with no family to support them financially or emotionally at 18 years old.
This is what you prefer rather than allowing a gay woman or a gay couple offer to bring a child into their home and be part of their family.

This is not an easy call for me in the least. I did not really make myself clear either because I do appreciate the willingness of gay couples to rescue older orphaned kids from their sorrowful world. That I cannot criticize. Nor do I think gay people are void of goodness, of course.

The problems I have are that a gay couples home is not really a good environment, generally speaking, for a child to grow up in. (Nor is a heterosexual married couple home if it is filled with domestic abuse or other egregious relationship issues, yes I know, but leaving that aside for this topic.) In a gay couples home, there is a far higher likelihood of children being pushed towards a gay lifestyle. Of children being taught the wrong messages about hetero people and about Christianity. This will all play heavily against the child’s well being.

Well lets talk about those assumptions for a moment.

'not really a good environment for a child to grow up in'- adoption agencies do actually vet potential adoptive parents- I want to assume that you agree that the same vetting standards should apply to gay people(single parents also adopt) as straight people.

So your essential concern breaks down to:

• In a gay couples home, there is a far higher likelihood of children being pushed towards a gay lifestyle.

'pushed towards a 'gay lifestyle'- presumably each of these parents grew up with parents who pushed them towards a 'straight lifestyle'- and yet- here they are gay. Yes- I do believe that children raised by gays grow up being non-judgemental of gays- I think that is a plus.

• Of children being taught the wrong messages about hetero people

What is the 'wrong message' about hetero people? Every gay person I know is surrounded by 'hetero' people in their lives- their mother and father, siblings, friends, co-workers. What is the 'wrong message' about 'hetero' people you think these people will teach?

• and about Christianity

Large proportions of homosexuals are Christians. And large proportions of those who adopt are not Christian. Would you want to prevent a Jew from adopting because you are worried that the child might be taught 'the wrong message about Christianity'?

I think what all of that really comes down to is that you are uncomfortable with a child being raised and being taught to treat people the same irregardless of what gender that they are attracted to.

But many of us are already teaching our children that- and that is a very, very good thing.

What I was trying to note was that there was a far greater preponderance of those issues I raised to be found in a gay couples’ home or relationship with their children than in a heterosexual home. And for that reason alone that becomes a serious concern for me. The religious angle is very large unto itself. No, I do not believe there are all than many gay Christian couples, maybe I am wrong. But I take some stock in this one article alone below. It leads me to believe these kinds of situations are more widespread than anyone cares to admit or research.

==============================================================

Adults Raised by Gay Couples Speak Out Against Gay ‘Marriage’ in Federal Court

Adults Raised by Gay Couples Speak Out Against Gay ‘Marriage’ in Federal Court

By Lauretta Brown | January 23, 2015 | 4:24 PM EST

(CNSNews.com) – Four adult children of same-sex parents have submitted amicus curiae briefs in the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals asking that it oppose the legalization of same-sex “marriage."

The Court, in New Orleans, La., heard arguments on Jan. 9 as it considers whether to uphold traditional marriage – defined as being between one man and one woman -- in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

B.N. Klein, Robert Oscar Lopez, Dawn Stefanowicz, and Katy Faust all grew up with homosexual parents. All four argued that redefining marriage to include same-sex couples would harm children by depriving them of a mother or father.

In her brief, Dawn Stefanowicz described her experience living in a same-sex household.

“I wasn’t surrounded by average heterosexual couples,” she says in her court brief. “Dad’s partners slept and ate in our home, and they took me along to meeting places in the LGBT communities. I was exposed to overt sexual activities like sodomy, nudity, pornography, group sex, sadomasochism and the ilk.”

“There was no guarantee that any of my Dad’s partners would be around for long, and yet I often had to obey them,” she said. “My rights and innocence were violated.”

“As children, we are not allowed to express our disagreement, pain and confusion,” Stefanowicz explained. “Most adult children from gay households do not feel safe or free to publicly express their stories and life-long challenges; they fear losing professional licenses, not obtaining employment in their chosen field, being cut off from some family members or losing whatever relationship they have with their gay parent(s). Some gay parents have threatened to leave no inheritance, if the children don’t accept their parent’s partner du jour.”

“I grew up with a parent and her partner in an atmosphere in which gay ideology was used as a tool of repression, retribution and abuse,” B.N. Klein wrote of her experience with a lesbian mother. “I have seen that children in gay households often become props to be publicly displayed to prove that gay families are just like heterosexual ones.”

Klein said she was taught that “some Jews and most Christians were stupid and hated gays and were violent,” and that homosexuals were “much more creative and artistic” because they were not repressed and were naturally more ‘feeling.’”

“At the same time I was given the message that if I did not agree (which I did not), I was stupid and damned to a life of punishing hostility from my mother and her partner,” she recounts. “They did this with the encouragement of all their gay friends in the community and they were like a cheering squad. I was only allowed out of my room to go to school. This could go on for weeks.”

“I was supposed to hate everyone based on what they thought of my mother and her partner,” said Klein. “People’s accomplishments did not matter, their personal struggles did not matter, and their own histories were of no consequence. The only thing that mattered was what they thought of gays.”

Robert Oscar Lopez who was also raised by a lesbian mother and her partner, had a different experience which he described as the “best possible conditions for a child raised by a same-sex couple.”

“Had I been formally studied by same-sex parenting ‘experts’ in 1985, I would have confirmed their rosiest estimations of LGBT family life,” Lopez wrote, but then went on to argue against same-sex marriage saying that, “behind these facades of a happy ‘outcome’ lay many problems.”

He describes experiencing a great deal of sexual confusion due to the lack of a father figure in his life. He turned to a life of prostitution with older men as a teenager.

“I had an inexplicable compulsion to have sex with older males,” he recounted, saying he “wanted to have sex with older men who were my father’s age, though at the time I could scarcely understand what I was doing.”

“The money I received for sex certainly helped me financially because it allowed me certain spending money beyond what I earned with my teenage jobs at a pizzeria and in my mother’s [psychiatric] clinic,” he states in the brief. “But the money was not as impactful as the fact that I needed to feel loved and wanted by an older male figure, even if for only as short as a half hour.”

“As early as ten years ago, I developed a clear stance on homosexual relationships. A civil union or some kind of state recognition would have helped my mother and her partner,” Lopez writes.

“Yet the traditional marriage laws in New York State as they existed back then prevented my mother and her partner from entirely cutting my father out of my life,” he explained. “The latter reality proved pivotal because my re-establishment of ties to my father in 1998 led to a transition in my life, from being lost and sexually confused to being stable and romantically fulfilled.”

Katy Faust, who grew up with a lesbian mother and her partner also testified against gay marriage but clarified that “my advocacy against gay marriage and for the rights of children will never include condemnation of my mother and her partner or details about their private lives.”

“When we institutionalize same-sex marriage,” Faust writes, “we move from permitting citizens the freedom to live as they choose, to promoting same-sex headed households. In doing so, we ignore the true nature of the outcropping of marriage.”

“Now we are normalizing a family structure where a child will always be deprived daily of one gender influence and the relationship with at least one natural parent,” she explains, “Our cultural narrative becomes one that, in essence, tells children that they have no right to the natural family structure or their biological parents, but that children simply exist for the satisfaction of adult desires.”

The 5th Circuit is still considering the legality of state bans on same-sex “marriage” and will issue an opinion in the coming months.

The U.S. Supreme Court announced on Jan. 19 that it will consider gay “marriage” bans in Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee with oral arguments in April and a ruling before the end of the current term in June.

I have read those statements before- and I am certainly not calling the experiences of those children to be lies- I will accept that these are their honest opinions. The first case cited sounds particularly tragic- and could well be the experience of a single mom dragging a series of loser dates through their home.

Let me comment on one quote you bolded

“Our cultural narrative becomes one that, in essence, tells children that they have no right to the natural family structure or their biological parents, but that children simply exist for the satisfaction of adult desires.”

Children who await adoption have been abandoned by their biological parents- and indeed they have been shown by their biological parents example that children simply exist for the satisfaction of adult desires.

A person who offers in good faith to adopt a child- regardless of whether that person is gay or straight- male or female- is offering to parent a child, and is offering to sacrifice adult freedoms to do so(any real parent knows that we make sacrifices for our children)

You posted the stories of children raised by gay parents who opposed gay marriage- now lets hear from the children raised by gay parents who support gay marriage
Kids' Voices Key On Both Sides Of Gay-Marriage Debate
"Good evening, Mr. Chairman," the young man said. "My name is Zach Wahls. I'm a sixth-generation Iowan and an engineering student at the University of Iowa, and I was raised by two women."


Wahls told lawmakers he was a top student and an Eagle Scout — and that "the sexual orientation of my parents has had zero effect on the content of my character."


Ella Robinson says her dad came out when she was 4 years old, and that's when her parents got divorced. Her dad is Gene Robinson, the first openly gay bishop of a major Christian denomination. He and his partner helped raise Ella at a time when she knew no other families like hers.

"We used to joke that people would expect a disco ball in our living room or naked pictures on the wall. And that could not have been further from the truth," says Ella, now 31. In reality, she says, it was board games and family dinners — boring, normal and loving.

The Children Get Their Chance To Speak In Utah Gay Marriage Case

Rieley Frederick, a 14-year-old whose dads were married late last year, said one of her teachers recently told a story about a gay man who was not "loyal" to his partners. The teacher said that gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married.

"It's not true, it's just not true. My dad's been loyal my whole life," Rieley said. She hopes that if Utah's ban is overturned, this kind of talk might stop, eventually. "I think after a while, people would realize that it's just part of life and they can't just talk about people that way," she sai

"Family is really important in Utah and [Gov. Gary Herbert and the state of Utah] claim to want to protect families, but it hurts me and my brother to not be able to have married parents," one 12-year-old, identified by the initials R.H.P., told the authors of the brief. "My parents are good moms and are patient with me and are just regular people."

 

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What a convoluted mess! Gays are going to continue raise/adopt children and their isn't a single thing you can do about it. These constant and lame attempts by you to smear gay families isn't working as only one state does't allow gay people to adopt. One.

Please, please, pay attention to my other 9,000 threads smearing gays. Please.

There's going to be a rash of kids killing their *** "parents" while they sleep when they realize it's the only escape from a fate worse than death.

I hope you're equally willing to accept that corollary.

Gay people have been raising children for quite some time now. One would think there would be a spike in '*** parents' being killed in their sleep already. I don't have the stats right in front of me but a rash of killings wouldn't go unnoticed.

Either way, the OP is an idiot and don't be shocked if you get accused of being gay for using the word *** in this thread. lol.

What a convoluted mess! Gays are going to continue raise/adopt children and their isn't a single thing you can do about it. These constant and lame attempts by you to smear gay families isn't working as only one state does't allow gay people to adopt. One.

Please, please, pay attention to my other 9,000 threads smearing gays. Please.

Actually, there is a lot we can do about it.

Will the depravity ever been entirely eliminated? No, not until the second coming. But until then, we're supposed to do our best with what we have to work with.

Best of luck. In the meantime, gays will to continue marry and raise their families.

Unfortunately. There will also continue to be child abuse, predation, exploitation, murder, and mental illness.

Just because it's part of the human condition doesn't mean we have to accept it as normal.

There will always be bigotry.

Just because its part of the human condition doesn't mean we have to accept it as normal.

 

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As far as gay adoption is concerned, even though there are some good hearted gay couples who are willing to adopt older kids who would otherwise remain orphans or in foster homes --- I think overall the idea is very bad for society and very bad for almost all children involved. This godless nation has abandoned the meaning of a father and a mother and how a child needs to be raised and nurtured. It is really unbelievable how insane this “affluent” nation has become.

I think leaving children in foster care with no parents because their own mother and father have chosen to abandon them- or abuse them- because you have a problem with homosexuals being parents is cruel to those kids.

100,000 children available for adoption at any time.
33,000 or so of them will wait 3 or more years to be adopted.
Tens of thousands of kids will age out of the system each year- abandoned by the state with no family to support them financially or emotionally at 18 years old.
This is what you prefer rather than allowing a gay woman or a gay couple offer to bring a child into their home and be part of their family.

This is not an easy call for me in the least. I did not really make myself clear either because I do appreciate the willingness of gay couples to rescue older orphaned kids from their sorrowful world. That I cannot criticize. Nor do I think gay people are void of goodness, of course.

The problems I have are that a gay couples home is not really a good environment, generally speaking, for a child to grow up in. (Nor is a heterosexual married couple home if it is filled with domestic abuse or other egregious relationship issues, yes I know, but leaving that aside for this topic.) In a gay couples home, there is a far higher likelihood of children being pushed towards a gay lifestyle. Of children being taught the wrong messages about hetero people and about Christianity. This will all play heavily against the child’s well being.

Well lets talk about those assumptions for a moment.

'not really a good environment for a child to grow up in'- adoption agencies do actually vet potential adoptive parents- I want to assume that you agree that the same vetting standards should apply to gay people(single parents also adopt) as straight people.

So your essential concern breaks down to:

• In a gay couples home, there is a far higher likelihood of children being pushed towards a gay lifestyle.

'pushed towards a 'gay lifestyle'- presumably each of these parents grew up with parents who pushed them towards a 'straight lifestyle'- and yet- here they are gay. Yes- I do believe that children raised by gays grow up being non-judgemental of gays- I think that is a plus.

• Of children being taught the wrong messages about hetero people

What is the 'wrong message' about hetero people? Every gay person I know is surrounded by 'hetero' people in their lives- their mother and father, siblings, friends, co-workers. What is the 'wrong message' about 'hetero' people you think these people will teach?

• and about Christianity

Large proportions of homosexuals are Christians. And large proportions of those who adopt are not Christian. Would you want to prevent a Jew from adopting because you are worried that the child might be taught 'the wrong message about Christianity'?

I think what all of that really comes down to is that you are uncomfortable with a child being raised and being taught to treat people the same irregardless of what gender that they are attracted to.

But many of us are already teaching our children that- and that is a very, very good thing.

What I was trying to note was that there was a far greater preponderance of those issues I raised to be found in a gay couples’ home or relationship with their children than in a heterosexual home. And for that reason alone that becomes a serious concern for me. The religious angle is very large unto itself. No, I do not believe there are all than many gay Christian couples, maybe I am wrong. But I take some stock in this one article alone below. It leads me to believe these kinds of situations are more widespread than anyone cares to admit or research.

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Adults Raised by Gay Couples Speak Out Against Gay ‘Marriage’ in Federal Court

Adults Raised by Gay Couples Speak Out Against Gay ‘Marriage’ in Federal Court

By Lauretta Brown | January 23, 2015 | 4:24 PM EST

(CNSNews.com) – Four adult children of same-sex parents have submitted amicus curiae briefs in the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals asking that it oppose the legalization of same-sex “marriage."

The Court, in New Orleans, La., heard arguments on Jan. 9 as it considers whether to uphold traditional marriage – defined as being between one man and one woman -- in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

B.N. Klein, Robert Oscar Lopez, Dawn Stefanowicz, and Katy Faust all grew up with homosexual parents. All four argued that redefining marriage to include same-sex couples would harm children by depriving them of a mother or father.

In her brief, Dawn Stefanowicz described her experience living in a same-sex household.

“I wasn’t surrounded by average heterosexual couples,” she says in her court brief. “Dad’s partners slept and ate in our home, and they took me along to meeting places in the LGBT communities. I was exposed to overt sexual activities like sodomy, nudity, pornography, group sex, sadomasochism and the ilk.”

“There was no guarantee that any of my Dad’s partners would be around for long, and yet I often had to obey them,” she said. “My rights and innocence were violated.”

“As children, we are not allowed to express our disagreement, pain and confusion,” Stefanowicz explained. “Most adult children from gay households do not feel safe or free to publicly express their stories and life-long challenges; they fear losing professional licenses, not obtaining employment in their chosen field, being cut off from some family members or losing whatever relationship they have with their gay parent(s). Some gay parents have threatened to leave no inheritance, if the children don’t accept their parent’s partner du jour.”

“I grew up with a parent and her partner in an atmosphere in which gay ideology was used as a tool of repression, retribution and abuse,” B.N. Klein wrote of her experience with a lesbian mother. “I have seen that children in gay households often become props to be publicly displayed to prove that gay families are just like heterosexual ones.”

Klein said she was taught that “some Jews and most Christians were stupid and hated gays and were violent,” and that homosexuals were “much more creative and artistic” because they were not repressed and were naturally more ‘feeling.’”

“At the same time I was given the message that if I did not agree (which I did not), I was stupid and damned to a life of punishing hostility from my mother and her partner,” she recounts. “They did this with the encouragement of all their gay friends in the community and they were like a cheering squad. I was only allowed out of my room to go to school. This could go on for weeks.”

“I was supposed to hate everyone based on what they thought of my mother and her partner,” said Klein. “People’s accomplishments did not matter, their personal struggles did not matter, and their own histories were of no consequence. The only thing that mattered was what they thought of gays.”

Robert Oscar Lopez who was also raised by a lesbian mother and her partner, had a different experience which he described as the “best possible conditions for a child raised by a same-sex couple.”

“Had I been formally studied by same-sex parenting ‘experts’ in 1985, I would have confirmed their rosiest estimations of LGBT family life,” Lopez wrote, but then went on to argue against same-sex marriage saying that, “behind these facades of a happy ‘outcome’ lay many problems.”

He describes experiencing a great deal of sexual confusion due to the lack of a father figure in his life. He turned to a life of prostitution with older men as a teenager.

“I had an inexplicable compulsion to have sex with older males,” he recounted, saying he “wanted to have sex with older men who were my father’s age, though at the time I could scarcely understand what I was doing.”

“The money I received for sex certainly helped me financially because it allowed me certain spending money beyond what I earned with my teenage jobs at a pizzeria and in my mother’s [psychiatric] clinic,” he states in the brief. “But the money was not as impactful as the fact that I needed to feel loved and wanted by an older male figure, even if for only as short as a half hour.”

“As early as ten years ago, I developed a clear stance on homosexual relationships. A civil union or some kind of state recognition would have helped my mother and her partner,” Lopez writes.

“Yet the traditional marriage laws in New York State as they existed back then prevented my mother and her partner from entirely cutting my father out of my life,” he explained. “The latter reality proved pivotal because my re-establishment of ties to my father in 1998 led to a transition in my life, from being lost and sexually confused to being stable and romantically fulfilled.”

Katy Faust, who grew up with a lesbian mother and her partner also testified against gay marriage but clarified that “my advocacy against gay marriage and for the rights of children will never include condemnation of my mother and her partner or details about their private lives.”

“When we institutionalize same-sex marriage,” Faust writes, “we move from permitting citizens the freedom to live as they choose, to promoting same-sex headed households. In doing so, we ignore the true nature of the outcropping of marriage.”

“Now we are normalizing a family structure where a child will always be deprived daily of one gender influence and the relationship with at least one natural parent,” she explains, “Our cultural narrative becomes one that, in essence, tells children that they have no right to the natural family structure or their biological parents, but that children simply exist for the satisfaction of adult desires.”

The 5th Circuit is still considering the legality of state bans on same-sex “marriage” and will issue an opinion in the coming months.

The U.S. Supreme Court announced on Jan. 19 that it will consider gay “marriage” bans in Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee with oral arguments in April and a ruling before the end of the current term in June.

I have read those statements before- and I am certainly not calling the experiences of those children to be lies- I will accept that these are their honest opinions. The first case cited sounds particularly tragic- and could well be the experience of a single mom dragging a series of loser dates through their home.

Let me comment on one quote you bolded

“Our cultural narrative becomes one that, in essence, tells children that they have no right to the natural family structure or their biological parents, but that children simply exist for the satisfaction of adult desires.”

Children who await adoption have been abandoned by their biological parents- and indeed they have been shown by their biological parents example that children simply exist for the satisfaction of adult desires.

A person who offers in good faith to adopt a child- regardless of whether that person is gay or straight- male or female- is offering to parent a child, and is offering to sacrifice adult freedoms to do so(any real parent knows that we make sacrifices for our children)

You posted the stories of children raised by gay parents who opposed gay marriage- now lets hear from the children raised by gay parents who support gay marriage
Kids' Voices Key On Both Sides Of Gay-Marriage Debate
"Good evening, Mr. Chairman," the young man said. "My name is Zach Wahls. I'm a sixth-generation Iowan and an engineering student at the University of Iowa, and I was raised by two women."


Wahls told lawmakers he was a top student and an Eagle Scout — and that "the sexual orientation of my parents has had zero effect on the content of my character."


Ella Robinson says her dad came out when she was 4 years old, and that's when her parents got divorced. Her dad is Gene Robinson, the first openly gay bishop of a major Christian denomination. He and his partner helped raise Ella at a time when she knew no other families like hers.

"We used to joke that people would expect a disco ball in our living room or naked pictures on the wall. And that could not have been further from the truth," says Ella, now 31. In reality, she says, it was board games and family dinners — boring, normal and loving.

The Children Get Their Chance To Speak In Utah Gay Marriage Case

Rieley Frederick, a 14-year-old whose dads were married late last year, said one of her teachers recently told a story about a gay man who was not "loyal" to his partners. The teacher said that gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married.

"It's not true, it's just not true. My dad's been loyal my whole life," Rieley said. She hopes that if Utah's ban is overturned, this kind of talk might stop, eventually. "I think after a while, people would realize that it's just part of life and they can't just talk about people that way," she sai

"Family is really important in Utah and [Gov. Gary Herbert and the state of Utah] claim to want to protect families, but it hurts me and my brother to not be able to have married parents," one 12-year-old, identified by the initials R.H.P., told the authors of the brief. "My parents are good moms and are patient with me and are just regular people."

Off topic.