Tea Party Free Market; Explain why it's a good thing

[Crystalclear]

And now China has a free market.

We should compete with them (R)ight? Let's put lead paint in our toys and put smog in our air because people don't matter anymore, profit does. Maybe our kids will get "Smog days out of School" like China does.

Maybe we will suffer the same Chinese Cancer towns but let's face it, we are already there. They drop obvious hazardous material and we use dangerous poisons to lubricate drills in oil fracking.

Again. Do we care about profit or people?

Maybe if China protected property rights in their supposed "free market," then they wouldn't have state-run companies polluting on everybody's property.

This, if everyone has private property they can press charges on companies polluting their land.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

We should compete with them (R)ight? Let's put lead paint in our toys and put smog in our air because people don't matter anymore, profit does. Maybe our kids will get "Smog days out of School" like China does.



Maybe we will suffer the same Chinese Cancer towns but let's face it, we are already there. They drop obvious hazardous material and we use dangerous poisons to lubricate drills in oil fracking.



Again. Do we care about profit or people?

Maybe if China protected property rights in their supposed "free market," then they wouldn't have state-run companies polluting on everybody's property.

This, if everyone has private property they can press charges on companies polluting their land.

Exactly. Which makes the free market, based on private property rights, a much more stringent and effective regulator than the government.



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[AntiParty]

And now China has a free market.

We should compete with them (R)ight? Let's put lead paint in our toys and put smog in our air because people don't matter anymore, profit does. Maybe our kids will get "Smog days out of School" like China does.

Maybe we will suffer the same Chinese Cancer towns but let's face it, we are already there. They drop obvious hazardous material and we use dangerous poisons to lubricate drills in oil fracking.

Again. Do we care about profit or people?

Maybe if China protected property rights in their supposed "free market," then they wouldn't have state-run companies polluting on everybody's property.

Since when is Air "property"? Nice try, but a swing and a miss.

I'll assume you are saying they are "State Run" because they are Socialists. In Socialism, as far as I know, the government controls pay. The Corporation controls the business.

Are you stating that the state should control the pollution put out by the Coal plants there or are you stating that it's the Governments fault for the polluted air?

 

[AntiParty]

Ten Thousand Commandments: Federal Regulation - The Updates

809 final rules in 2014
18949 pages in the Federal Registry.

3659 rules 2013
80330 pages in the Federal Registry.

Welcome to the nanny state.....................

Your post talks about how the Commerce Clause as a "Nanny State" Do you hate the constitution or do you agree with it?

Or did you just repeat a profit media source?

Riddle me this..........Does the CFR exist and does it have ten's of thousands of regulations per year posted.........................

Which brings me to the abuse of the commerce clause through massive Gov't Red Tape and Regulations.

If you believe this is the intent of the Constitution then you are beyond reason. By the way your skirt is showing your true colors of the Party you spout PRAVDA FOR.

The COMMERCE CLAUSE IS THE CONSTITUTION. You are openly stating that you support what your party supports, but not part of it. What are your values?

 

[AntiParty]

Mr. Anti Party...............

Do we need more regulations......................

How many pages a year in CFR's are enough.................

Your not anti party you continue to spout the Pravda of the left, and claim to be without party. Yet you sound like their mouth piece. Why is that when you claim not to support any particular party........................

I support Free Market competition............but I also understand the dangers of Monopolies...........but both parties are tools of their favorite donors. Quite frankly we have politicians who are whores to the highest bidder. The TEA Party is attempting to take out Rhino's, so I support them. I don't consider myself to be a member of the Libertarian party, but believe in a lot of their platform. The TEA Party doesn't consider itself the Libertarian party. It is a grass roots party on a Conservative platform. Since their are many branches of the party, you may very well be misquoting this entire subject.

I never proposed more regulations I simply exposed the regulations the Constitution stated. if you can't handle America then you should learn to adapt or get out.

Typical response of a Tyrant. Used often on these boards trying to justify the massive regulations of the Gov't as normal every day business. Regulations that have far exceeded the powers of the ACTs they intend to serve.

Any person familiar and who supports the Constitution would understand that the Constitution gave LIMITED POWERS to the Federal Gov't. Any other interpretation of the intent is utter BS or quite simply someone inept at actually reading the true meaning of the Constitution. aka the Federalist papers explain the purpose very well.

So, do you ignore these writings, or do you reading comprehension problems............

I quoted the Constitution and you called me a tyrant! This is epic.....

Keep talkin kiddo.

 

[AntiParty]

We should compete with them (R)ight? Let's put lead paint in our toys and put smog in our air because people don't matter anymore, profit does. Maybe our kids will get "Smog days out of School" like China does.

Maybe we will suffer the same Chinese Cancer towns but let's face it, we are already there. They drop obvious hazardous material and we use dangerous poisons to lubricate drills in oil fracking.

Again. Do we care about profit or people?

Maybe if China protected property rights in their supposed "free market," then they wouldn't have state-run companies polluting on everybody's property.

This, if everyone has private property they can press charges on companies polluting their land.

We can and do press charges on Corporations polluting the land. Just not the air.

The Lubricants in Oil Fracking contaminate water sources everywhere they are doing it in America. The people are getting very sick, some don't even make it. There are actual leaked documents where Big Oil bought the silence of families including the small children that were like 8 years old.

How do you buy the silence of a child?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

We should compete with them (R)ight? Let's put lead paint in our toys and put smog in our air because people don't matter anymore, profit does. Maybe our kids will get "Smog days out of School" like China does.

Maybe we will suffer the same Chinese Cancer towns but let's face it, we are already there. They drop obvious hazardous material and we use dangerous poisons to lubricate drills in oil fracking.

Again. Do we care about profit or people?

Maybe if China protected property rights in their supposed "free market," then they wouldn't have state-run companies polluting on everybody's property.

Since when is Air "property"? Nice try, but a swing and a miss.

I'll assume you are saying they are "State Run" because they are Socialists. In Socialism, as far as I know, the government controls pay. The Corporation controls the business.

Are you stating that the state should control the pollution put out by the Coal plants there or are you stating that it's the Governments fault for the polluted air?

Air within the bounds of my property is also my property. Thus, if somebody is polluting the air within the bounds of my property then they are violating my property rights.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Explain to me why a totally free market is a good thing..

it sure beats standing in line for hours on end

in the hopes of getting a roll of rationed toilet paper

 

[percysunshine]

Explain to me why a totally free market is a good thing..

What incredible timing...a primer for the wayward.


"Just to clarify, the difference between being pro-business and pro-market is categorical. A politician who is a “friend of business” is exactly that, a guy who does favors for his friends. A politician who is pro-market is a referee who will refuse to help protect his friends (or anyone else) from competition unless the competitors have broken the rules. The friend of business supports industry-specific or even business-specific loans, grants, tariffs, or tax breaks. The pro-market referee opposes special treatment for anyone."

Pro-Business or Pro-Market | National Review Online

 

[AntiParty]

Maybe if China protected property rights in their supposed "free market," then they wouldn't have state-run companies polluting on everybody's property.

Since when is Air "property"? Nice try, but a swing and a miss.

I'll assume you are saying they are "State Run" because they are Socialists. In Socialism, as far as I know, the government controls pay. The Corporation controls the business.

Are you stating that the state should control the pollution put out by the Coal plants there or are you stating that it's the Governments fault for the polluted air?

Air within the bounds of my property is also my property. Thus, if somebody is polluting the air within the bounds of my property then they are violating my property rights.

I'm kind of at a laughing point here.

I understand that you think the people should own the air they live on.

Are you stating that Corporations shouldn't be able to do anything that affects the air of the American citizens? Because it seems like you are jumping from the smog issue in china to stating, "Any citizen can manage a local factory's air pollutants if they desire". What if a Large Soda Liberal decided they couldn't deal with any pollutants at all?

Your entire perspective is flawed.

 

[AntiParty]

Explain to me why a totally free market is a good thing..

it sure beats standing in line for hours on end

in the hopes of getting a roll of rationed toilet paper

So smart it has no

In a country with the world’s largest petroleum reserves and oil prices at nearly $95 a barrel, everyone would expect more. What you have to learn about is the American Petrol Dollar system.

Some think we are printing money out of thin air. Someone is working for that money and not getting it. I'll leave you with that. I'll be surprised if you get somewhere with that information.

 

[AntiParty]

Explain to me why a totally free market is a good thing..

What incredible timing...a primer for the wayward.


"Just to clarify, the difference between being pro-business and pro-market is categorical. A politician who is a “friend of business” is exactly that, a guy who does favors for his friends. A politician who is pro-market is a referee who will refuse to help protect his friends (or anyone else) from competition unless the competitors have broken the rules. The friend of business supports industry-specific or even business-specific loans, grants, tariffs, or tax breaks. The pro-market referee opposes special treatment for anyone."

Pro-Business or Pro-Market | National Review Online

So business needs politicians in a Free Market?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Maybe if China protected property rights in their supposed "free market," then they wouldn't have state-run companies polluting on everybody's property.

Since when is Air "property"? Nice try, but a swing and a miss.

I'll assume you are saying they are "State Run" because they are Socialists. In Socialism, as far as I know, the government controls pay. The Corporation controls the business.

Are you stating that the state should control the pollution put out by the Coal plants there or are you stating that it's the Governments fault for the polluted air?

Air within the bounds of my property is also my property. Thus, if somebody is polluting the air within the bounds of my property then they are violating my property rights.

I guess you've never heard of mineral rights. They can mine the land under you if they want, and they can also pollute the air above you.

Face it.....................according to the corporations and those in the government who support them, you only have rights to the surface, not the minerals under you, nor the air above you, just what is on the surface.

The government only supports pundits, or those who have sway with the politicians, known as the lobbyists, who happen to have a bunch of money given to them by the corporations.

I used to joke that the United States of America was the best government that money could buy.

Sad to see that it came true.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Explain to me why a totally free market is a good thing..

it sure beats standing in line for hours on end

in the hopes of getting a roll of rationed toilet paper

So smart it has no

In a country with the world’s largest petroleum reserves and oil prices at nearly $95 a barrel, everyone would expect more. What you have to learn about is the American Petrol Dollar system.

Some think we are printing money out of thin air. Someone is working for that money and not getting it. I'll leave you with that. I'll be surprised if you get somewhere with that information.

Venezuela In Turmoil For Lack Of Flour, Milk And Diapers : Parallels : NPR

 

[AntiParty]

Since when is Air "property"? Nice try, but a swing and a miss.

I'll assume you are saying they are "State Run" because they are Socialists. In Socialism, as far as I know, the government controls pay. The Corporation controls the business.

Are you stating that the state should control the pollution put out by the Coal plants there or are you stating that it's the Governments fault for the polluted air?

Air within the bounds of my property is also my property. Thus, if somebody is polluting the air within the bounds of my property then they are violating my property rights.

I guess you've never heard of mineral rights. They can mine the land under you if they want, and they can also pollute the air above you.

Face it.....................according to the corporations and those in the government who support them, you only have rights to the surface, not the minerals under you, nor the air above you, just what is on the surface.

The government only supports pundits, or those who have sway with the politicians, known as the lobbyists, who happen to have a bunch of money given to them by the corporations.

I used to joke that the United States of America was the best government that money could buy.

Sad to see that it came true.

Very informed perspective. Thank you for doing your homework.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Since when is Air "property"? Nice try, but a swing and a miss.

I'll assume you are saying they are "State Run" because they are Socialists. In Socialism, as far as I know, the government controls pay. The Corporation controls the business.

Are you stating that the state should control the pollution put out by the Coal plants there or are you stating that it's the Governments fault for the polluted air?

Air within the bounds of my property is also my property. Thus, if somebody is polluting the air within the bounds of my property then they are violating my property rights.

I guess you've never heard of mineral rights. They can mine the land under you if they want, and they can also pollute the air above you.

Face it.....................according to the corporations and those in the government who support them, you only have rights to the surface, not the minerals under you, nor the air above you, just what is on the surface.

The government only supports pundits, or those who have sway with the politicians, known as the lobbyists, who happen to have a bunch of money given to them by the corporations.

I used to joke that the United States of America was the best government that money could buy.

Sad to see that it came true.

according to the corporations and those in the government who support them, you only have rights to the surface, not the minerals under you

my brothers and sister and myself

inherited 1000 acres of mineral rights

in Minnesota

 

[AntiParty]

it sure beats standing in line for hours on end

in the hopes of getting a roll of rationed toilet paper

So smart it has no

In a country with the world’s largest petroleum reserves and oil prices at nearly $95 a barrel, everyone would expect more. What you have to learn about is the American Petrol Dollar system.

Some think we are printing money out of thin air. Someone is working for that money and not getting it. I'll leave you with that. I'll be surprised if you get somewhere with that information.

Venezuela In Turmoil For Lack Of Flour, Milk And Diapers : Parallels : NPR

I didn't really need the link....I debated you above because I knew where you were talking about. Somehow you missed it.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Air within the bounds of my property is also my property. Thus, if somebody is polluting the air within the bounds of my property then they are violating my property rights.

I guess you've never heard of mineral rights. They can mine the land under you if they want, and they can also pollute the air above you.

Face it.....................according to the corporations and those in the government who support them, you only have rights to the surface, not the minerals under you, nor the air above you, just what is on the surface.

The government only supports pundits, or those who have sway with the politicians, known as the lobbyists, who happen to have a bunch of money given to them by the corporations.

I used to joke that the United States of America was the best government that money could buy.

Sad to see that it came true.

according to the corporations and those in the government who support them, you only have rights to the surface, not the minerals under you

my brothers and sister and myself

inherited 1000 acres of mineral rights

in Minnesota

You may have been lucky enough to get the mineral rights for your land, however, mineral rights are much different from land rights..................

Ownership of mineral rights (more properly "mineral interest") is an estate in real property. Technically it is known as a mineral estate, although often referred to as mineral rights. It is the right of the owner to exploit, mine, and/or produce any or all of the minerals lying below the surface of the property.

The mineral estate of the land includes all organic and inorganic substances that form a part of the soil. Exceptions include sand, gravel, limestone, and subsurface water—which are normally considered part of the surface estate.

Mineral rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry..............but in the eyes of many, you may own the topsoil and the ground above the mineral rights, but you don't necessarily own the mineral rights themselves.

If owning the land from top to the center of the earth was in the equation, many people wouldn't have fracking done on their lands.

 

[jon_berzerk]

I guess you've never heard of mineral rights. They can mine the land under you if they want, and they can also pollute the air above you.

Face it.....................according to the corporations and those in the government who support them, you only have rights to the surface, not the minerals under you, nor the air above you, just what is on the surface.

The government only supports pundits, or those who have sway with the politicians, known as the lobbyists, who happen to have a bunch of money given to them by the corporations.

I used to joke that the United States of America was the best government that money could buy.

Sad to see that it came true.

according to the corporations and those in the government who support them, you only have rights to the surface, not the minerals under you

my brothers and sister and myself

inherited 1000 acres of mineral rights

in Minnesota

You may have been lucky enough to get the mineral rights for your land, however, mineral rights are much different from land rights..................

Ownership of mineral rights (more properly "mineral interest") is an estate in real property. Technically it is known as a mineral estate, although often referred to as mineral rights. It is the right of the owner to exploit, mine, and/or produce any or all of the minerals lying below the surface of the property.

The mineral estate of the land includes all organic and inorganic substances that form a part of the soil. Exceptions include sand, gravel, limestone, and subsurface water—which are normally considered part of the surface estate.

Mineral rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry..............but in the eyes of many, you may own the topsoil and the ground above the mineral rights, but you don't necessarily own the mineral rights themselves.

If owning the land from top to the center of the earth was in the equation, many people wouldn't have fracking done on their lands.

no we own the mineral rights

in Minnesota about 70 percent of the mineral rights

are privately owned

from time to time we get offers from various mining companies

we have had offers to buy the rights

we all agreed long ago not to let it get mined

they say it has copper

our cousins got the surface land and timbered some of it years ago

the area is just too pristine to let it get mined

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Since when is Air "property"? Nice try, but a swing and a miss.

I'll assume you are saying they are "State Run" because they are Socialists. In Socialism, as far as I know, the government controls pay. The Corporation controls the business.

Are you stating that the state should control the pollution put out by the Coal plants there or are you stating that it's the Governments fault for the polluted air?

Air within the bounds of my property is also my property. Thus, if somebody is polluting the air within the bounds of my property then they are violating my property rights.

I'm kind of at a laughing point here.

I understand that you think the people should own the air they live on.

Are you stating that Corporations shouldn't be able to do anything that affects the air of the American citizens? Because it seems like you are jumping from the smog issue in china to stating, "Any citizen can manage a local factory's air pollutants if they desire". What if a Large Soda Liberal decided they couldn't deal with any pollutants at all?

Your entire perspective is flawed.

Is your point here that corporations should be able to pollute other people's property to a certain percentage? If so, it would seem ironic considering you were just blaming the free market for the smog issue in China, whereas now you're making excuses for polluters.