Tax the rich, lose the rich

[daveman]

First, you really don't have a clue about Leninism.

Second, yes, the productive work done by people at their jobs is exactly what creates wealth. Not that all people that have jobs create wealth. In fact, there is an inverse relationship between the amount of wealth created by any person and the amount that they are paid.

Factory workers create wealth, miners create wealth, construction workers create wealth. Lawyers do not create wealth, accountants do not create wealth, executives do not create wealth.

If you do not understand that, then you do not understand the most basic fundamentals of economics.

Who signs your paycheck, the janitor, or the boss?

Fair distribution of the wealth is not socialistic, nor is it communist. It's simply fair.

Dood. Grow up. This is real life, not kindergarten. Nobody owes you anything. You want something, get off your ass and work for it.

 

[Hum Dinger]

I don't know if you're old enough to remember the '50s, but they were bailing out of here in droves until St Reagan saved us in the '80s.

Well great! Let them go!

The 1950s were one of the periods of greatest economic growth and highest taxation in American hiistory.

Good fuckin' riddance!

Um.....you know if the rich leave, so does their money, and so does a massive % of federal tax dollars.

So if you say "Good fuckin' riddance" to them, also say good riddance to:

- A well funded military
- Maintenance on all US interstates and highways
- Maintenance and preservation on all US national parks you libs love so much
- Funding for the FBI, CIA, DEA, Secret Service, Dept of Energy
- Funding for your local police, fire, ems and schools
- Funding for public libraries

Well, I could go on and on, but it's fairly sad and pathetic how angry you lefties get in your envious rage at the rich. Their wealth supports much of our comfortable lives. You should thank them.

It seems incredible that you would give the exodus of the rich in the 1950s as an example of what happens when taxes are too high, then list all these institutions that you believe will have a disaster if the rich leave, yet don't seem to notice that each and every of these institutions flourished during the 1950s.

I too just really have to ask: Are you really that dumb?

 

[daveman]

Not while in the air, I hope...sort of...

My goodness, you leftists simply cannot tolerate anyone not buying the groupthink, can you? One conflicting thought and it's up against the wall, heretic!

Good Gaea, you morons are as fundamentalist as the Taliban.

 

[Hum Dinger]

First, you really don't have a clue about Leninism.

Second, yes, the productive work done by people at their jobs is exactly what creates wealth. Not that all people that have jobs create wealth. In fact, there is an inverse relationship between the amount of wealth created by any person and the amount that they are paid.

Factory workers create wealth, miners create wealth, construction workers create wealth. Lawyers do not create wealth, accountants do not create wealth, executives do not create wealth.

If you do not understand that, then you do not understand the most basic fundamentals of economics.

Who signs your paycheck, the janitor, or the boss?

Fair distribution of the wealth is not socialistic, nor is it communist. It's simply fair.

Dood. Grow up. This is real life, not kindergarten. Nobody owes you anything. You want something, get off your ass and work for it.

I've been getting off my ass and working for it for 20 years - just to make my employers wealthy. Most of whom are major stock holders have never worked a day in their life.

And no, you ******* moron, when people work and are productive, THEY CERTAINLY ARE OWED FOR IT.

THE DAYS OF SLAVERY ARE ABOUT TO END!

 

[bucs90]

Link for the 95% figure, loon. You don't have one.

Ha!! My favorite part of debating liberals is when faced with damning evidence they can't argue, their instincts begin to demand "LINK LINK LINK". And I understand, as the average liberal is so uninformed from a lack of their own research. There are countless studies showing the "poor" of America live better than 95% of the rest of the world. Here is a good one.

How "Poor" are America's Poor? | The Heritage Foundation

And I picked that particular one for one reason and one reason only: The joy of awaiting the inevitable liberal response of attacking the source rather than the data. Oh joy, this is gonna be fun!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Food for thought:

The Indians have come out with the equivalent of the I-Pad...

...and it sells for $30.

YouTube - India unveils $30 tablet PC (Android) - India's iPad

You can't begin to understand how much your beloved American capitalism is ******* you right up the arse.

Really? The standard of living for the "poor" of America is better than 95% of the rest of the world. Our middle class lives better than the "rich" in India for the most part. The most oppressed minority of our nations history, blacks, would be the 5th richest nation on Earth if they were counted as a seperate nation.

Our American capitalism is doing pretty darn well. But hey, Obama is only 18 months in, I'm sure he'll change that.

Our greatness has come from our ability to rein in capitalism, not from capitalism's ability to reign over us.

(hey that's pretty good LOLOL)

 

[NYcarbineer]

First, you really don't have a clue about Leninism.

Second, yes, the productive work done by people at their jobs is exactly what creates wealth. Not that all people that have jobs create wealth. In fact, there is an inverse relationship between the amount of wealth created by any person and the amount that they are paid.

Factory workers create wealth, miners create wealth, construction workers create wealth. Lawyers do not create wealth, accountants do not create wealth, executives do not create wealth.

If you do not understand that, then you do not understand the most basic fundamentals of economics.

Who signs your paycheck, the janitor, or the boss?

Fair distribution of the wealth is not socialistic, nor is it communist. It's simply fair.

Dood. Grow up. This is real life, not kindergarten. Nobody owes you anything. You want something, get off your ass and work for it.

Can't we just get a government job?

Like you?

lol

 

[bucs90]

F,

Fair distribution of the wealth is not socialistic, nor is it communist. It's simply fair.

I've been getting off my ass and working for it for 20 years - just to make my employers wealthy. Most of whom are major stock holders have never worked a day in their life.

And no, you ******* moron, when people work and are productive, THEY CERTAINLY ARE OWED FOR IT.

THE DAYS OF SLAVERY ARE ABOUT TO END!

HAHAHA!!! Look here loser, you got some growing up to do.

You worked for 20 years. Great. But not "just to make my employers wealthy". You should stop being a spoiled whiny little ***** and THANK your employer for allowing you to come in a collect a check for 20 years!!! He has funded your life for 20 years. Ungrateful jerk.

Now, you say your bosses are "major stockholders" who "never worked a day in their life".

Ok, first, lets get over the envy. Put down the glass of Hateraid. Just because they're successful doesn't mean you gotta be jealous and envious. Their success has allowed them to fund employee's lives.....like yours. I'm also quite sure none of them were born with a stock portfolio. I'm sure if you saw their resumes, you'd see quite a work history.

If you work hard enough and smart enough, hey, one day you can be like them! And if so, you can be among the lucky parents who can save enough money to set your kids up with a life that is a bit of a headstart also.

And yes, hard work is entitled to pay. And by your 20 years of employment, I see both you and your boss have lived up to that. God Bless America.

But the days of slavery ended in 1865. No one forced you to apply for, accept or keep showing up to that job. Grow up.

 

[bucs90]

Food for thought:

The Indians have come out with the equivalent of the I-Pad...

...and it sells for $30.

YouTube - India unveils $30 tablet PC (Android) - India's iPad

You can't begin to understand how much your beloved American capitalism is ******* you right up the arse.

Really? The standard of living for the "poor" of America is better than 95% of the rest of the world. Our middle class lives better than the "rich" in India for the most part. The most oppressed minority of our nations history, blacks, would be the 5th richest nation on Earth if they were counted as a seperate nation.

Our American capitalism is doing pretty darn well. But hey, Obama is only 18 months in, I'm sure he'll change that.

Our greatness has come from our ability to rein in capitalism, not from capitalism's ability to reign over us.

(hey that's pretty good LOLOL)

Really? Then why did the most capitalist superpower (USA) outlast the most anti-capitalist nation (USSR)???

If your logic was true, then the USA would be dwarfed in wealth by more anti-capitalist nations like Russia, Sweden, Norway, Germany, France, etc, etc.

But they didn't. We won. We're the lone superpower standing. We won. And I'm middle class, happy, and THANKFUL to my rich boss who keeps allowing me to show up to work and get paid bitches!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

[daveman]

I've been getting off my ass and working for it for 20 years - just to make my employers wealthy. Most of whom are major stock holders have never worked a day in their life.

What's keeping you from buying stock and building wealth?

And no, you ******* moron, when people work and are productive, THEY CERTAINLY ARE OWED FOR IT.

You get a paycheck.

THE DAYS OF SLAVERY ARE ABOUT TO END!

Yeah, yeah, workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains, yadda yadda.

Get back to work, Comrade.

 

[asterism]

Guys, don't forget you are debating with lefties who have stated they want to "Raise taxes on the rich to force them into creating more jobs".

They truly believe this. They truly think if they punish the rich, it'll teach them some kind of lesson and force them into creating more jobs.

The doing away with the tax cuts will no doubt cost more jobs at this time. Businesses needs those cuts now more than ever. At this point it's not about creating jobs, it's keeping people in their jobs. Until there is confidence again in our leadership and, they show they have a clue as to how to turn it around, businesses have no choice but to hold on tight and try to weather the storm.

Funny, how not one of these loons is willing to step up and place any blame on the leftwing leadership for their abject failings. They just won't admit that this president is abjectly failing. His administration is abjectly failing. The Senate and Congress are abjectly failing, on BOTH sides of the aisle. Until those change, there will be no reason for business to expand. Right now, all they can do is hold on.

If you want to know what a leftist truly believes should be done with our money, take a look at what they do with their own money. Can you actually find one with means who voluntarily pays more taxes? Do any of them actually donate to the reduction of the federal debt?

 

[daveman]

First, you really don't have a clue about Leninism.

Second, yes, the productive work done by people at their jobs is exactly what creates wealth. Not that all people that have jobs create wealth. In fact, there is an inverse relationship between the amount of wealth created by any person and the amount that they are paid.

Factory workers create wealth, miners create wealth, construction workers create wealth. Lawyers do not create wealth, accountants do not create wealth, executives do not create wealth.

If you do not understand that, then you do not understand the most basic fundamentals of economics.

Who signs your paycheck, the janitor, or the boss?

Fair distribution of the wealth is not socialistic, nor is it communist. It's simply fair.

Dood. Grow up. This is real life, not kindergarten. Nobody owes you anything. You want something, get off your ass and work for it.

Can't we just get a government job?

Like you?

lol

Sure! Just pop on down to your local recruiter!

Oh, word of warning, though...you'll probably have to touch scary icky guns.

 

[bucs90]

Well great! Let them go!

The 1950s were one of the periods of greatest economic growth and highest taxation in American hiistory.

Good fuckin' riddance!

Um.....you know if the rich leave, so does their money, and so does a massive % of federal tax dollars.

So if you say "Good fuckin' riddance" to them, also say good riddance to:

- A well funded military
- Maintenance on all US interstates and highways
- Maintenance and preservation on all US national parks you libs love so much
- Funding for the FBI, CIA, DEA, Secret Service, Dept of Energy
- Funding for your local police, fire, ems and schools
- Funding for public libraries

Well, I could go on and on, but it's fairly sad and pathetic how angry you lefties get in your envious rage at the rich. Their wealth supports much of our comfortable lives. You should thank them.

It seems incredible that you would give the exodus of the rich in the 1950s as an example of what happens when taxes are too high, then list all these institutions that you believe will have a disaster if the rich leave, yet don't seem to notice that each and every of these institutions flourished during the 1950s.

I too just really have to ask: Are you really that dumb?

OK, let me ask you this:

If everyone making over $250,000 in the USA moved to Asia, would those government funded items I listed continue to exist, grow, succeed, etc????

The comfort Americans live in relative to the rest of the world is because rich people's taxes fund it.

To that, I say THANK YOU rich bosses, and I hope I can get promoted and a raise.

 

[bucs90]

Who signs your paycheck, the janitor, or the boss?

Dood. Grow up. This is real life, not kindergarten. Nobody owes you anything. You want something, get off your ass and work for it.

Can't we just get a government job?

Like you?

lol

Sure! Just pop on down to your local recruiter!

Oh, word of warning, though...you'll probably have to touch scary icky guns.

Or even worse.......wear a uniform and salute a flag!! Oh the tyranny!!

 

[bucs90]

Well, I'll see you liberals tomorrow!! I have to get some sleep and get to my job tomorrow. My rich boss is gonna be there too. And while I'm amongst 200 other employees, I'm gonna show up early, work my butt off, and if I see him, thank my rich boss for the continued opportunity. And while you lefties are in your cubicles listening to NPR and bitching about how the rich boss doesn't deserve his Lexus, I'll be working harder than you and getting raises and promotions, and hopefully one day be amongst the rich that you folks hate so much.

Again, to any of you wealthy bosses out there, thank you for the continued opporunity you give us workers to make a living!

 

[asterism]

I want to hit on one of my better points one more time.

Liberals: If there are companies making these huge, evil, vile, wicked profits, then that means there are customers with money to spend.

If there are customers with money to spend, which creates these huge profits, then somewhere out there are jobs. Hell, the local classified ads every Sunday has plenty of listings.

The problem is, the typical liberal is so convinced of his own self worth, his how intellectual superiority and his own value to the world that he believes most jobs are below him. After all, he sat through 4 years of left wing lectures learning "How the world really works" and knows with his degree he should get at least 80K a year and a private corner office.

Liberals- if your life is sucking right now, it's YOUR own fault. Not mine. Not the governments. Not rich peoples. YOUR fault. No one elses. Grow the f**k up.

The graduate with a Science degree asks, "Why does it work?"

The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How does it work?"

The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "How much will it cost?"

The graduate with a Liberal Arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?"

Guys, don't forget you are debating with lefties who have stated they want to "Raise taxes on the rich to force them into creating more jobs".

They truly believe this. They truly think if they punish the rich, it'll teach them some kind of lesson and force them into creating more jobs.

The doing away with the tax cuts will no doubt cost more jobs at this time. Businesses needs those cuts now more than ever. At this point it's not about creating jobs, it's keeping people in their jobs. Until there is confidence again in our leadership and, they show they have a clue as to how to turn it around, businesses have no choice but to hold on tight and try to weather the storm.

Funny, how not one of these loons is willing to step up and place any blame on the leftwing leadership for their abject failings. They just won't admit that this president is abjectly failing. His administration is abjectly failing. The Senate and Congress are abjectly failing, on BOTH sides of the aisle. Until those change, there will be no reason for business to expand. Right now, all they can do is hold on.

And another fact is that there ARE jobs out there. Every Sunday I open the classifieds out of curiosity and see plenty of them. Of course, I live in low tax, non-union South Carolina, where big businesses are flocking to all of a sudden (seriously, if you need a job, SC is getting loaded with them, check the online classifieds of our larger cities Charleston, Columbia, Greenville, Rock Hill (South of Charlotte).

The problem is left wingers see many jobs as below them. They see most Americans as below them. Their self convinced intellectual superiority makes them feel they are far too imporant to stock a shelf in a warehouse. Even if that job pays 15-20 dollars an hour.

Any person who cannot find a job right now is probably going to find they have only themselves to blame. Their ego or their rap sheet. But there are jobs out there.

I made a lot of money doing things that would be considered "below" me. I'm consistently told by unemployed economists that my success is "luck." Well they aren't "technically" unemployed (they make money under the table blogging), but they are riding out their "recovery" with unemployment benefits.

 

[daveman]

Can't we just get a government job?

Like you?

lol

Sure! Just pop on down to your local recruiter!

Oh, word of warning, though...you'll probably have to touch scary icky guns.

Or even worse.......wear a uniform and salute a flag!! Oh the tyranny!!

Fascist!!

 

[daveman]

Well, I'll see you liberals tomorrow!! I have to get some sleep and get to my job tomorrow. My rich boss is gonna be there too. And while I'm amongst 200 other employees, I'm gonna show up early, work my butt off, and if I see him, thank my rich boss for the continued opportunity. And while you lefties are in your cubicles listening to NPR and bitching about how the rich boss doesn't deserve his Lexus, I'll be working harder than you and getting raises and promotions, and hopefully one day be amongst the rich that you folks hate so much.

Again, to any of you wealthy bosses out there, thank you for the continued opporunity you give us workers to make a living!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to bucs90 again.

 

[asterism]

First, you really don't have a clue about Leninism.

Second, yes, the productive work done by people at their jobs is exactly what creates wealth. Not that all people that have jobs create wealth. In fact, there is an inverse relationship between the amount of wealth created by any person and the amount that they are paid.

Factory workers create wealth, miners create wealth, construction workers create wealth. Lawyers do not create wealth, accountants do not create wealth, executives do not create wealth.

If you do not understand that, then you do not understand the most basic fundamentals of economics.

Who signs your paycheck, the janitor, or the boss?

Fair distribution of the wealth is not socialistic, nor is it communist. It's simply fair.

Dood. Grow up. This is real life, not kindergarten. Nobody owes you anything. You want something, get off your ass and work for it.

I've been getting off my ass and working for it for 20 years - just to make my employers wealthy. Most of whom are major stock holders have never worked a day in their life.

And no, you ******* moron, when people work and are productive, THEY CERTAINLY ARE OWED FOR IT.

THE DAYS OF SLAVERY ARE ABOUT TO END!

Did your employers pay you for the work you did according to what you both agreed the job paid?

 

[daveman]

I made a lot of money doing things that would be considered "below" me. I'm consistently told by unemployed economists that my success is "luck." Well they aren't "technically" unemployed (they make money under the table blogging), but they are riding out their "recovery" with unemployment benefits.

It makes a funny sound when liberalism and reality collide.