Tarrif Lawsuit

[berg80]

Is every nation that is not the USA that uses tarrifs also evil?

The impending SC ruling isn't about good and evil. It's about the limits of executive authority.

From the buy-in-bulk retailer Costco to the canned-tuna company Bumble Bee Foods, some U.S. businesses are racing to get in line for tariff refunds, anticipating that the Supreme Court will soon rule against President Trump and force him to return billions of dollars collected on imports.

A growing roster of companies in recent weeks has hired lawyers, filed lawsuits or submitted official claims to the U.S. government, all in an early bid to secure a quick payout in the event that the centerpiece of Mr. Trump’s global trade war is struck down.

For the moment, the fate of the money collected from his sweeping tariffs rests in the hands of the Supreme Court justices. At oral arguments last month, they seemed skeptical of the president’s vast assertions of power to tax imports at a whim, stoking suspicions that they could deliver a defining blow to Mr. Trump’s economic strategy.

A ruling against the president could also force the Trump administration to pay back a substantial portion of the roughly $200 billion it has collected in duties since the start of the year. While the Supreme Court offered little indication as to whether it would order such refunds, some businesses have started the legal legwork to obtain them anyway, aiming to beat the rush and recover their full tariff costs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/03/business/supreme-court-tariff-ruling-refunds.html

 

[Hafar1014]

The impending SC ruling isn't about good and evil. It's about the limits of executive authority.

From the buy-in-bulk retailer Costco to the canned-tuna company Bumble Bee Foods, some U.S. businesses are racing to get in line for tariff refunds, anticipating that the Supreme Court will soon rule against President Trump and force him to return billions of dollars collected on imports.

A growing roster of companies in recent weeks has hired lawyers, filed lawsuits or submitted official claims to the U.S. government, all in an early bid to secure a quick payout in the event that the centerpiece of Mr. Trump’s global trade war is struck down.

For the moment, the fate of the money collected from his sweeping tariffs rests in the hands of the Supreme Court justices. At oral arguments last month, they seemed skeptical of the president’s vast assertions of power to tax imports at a whim, stoking suspicions that they could deliver a defining blow to Mr. Trump’s economic strategy.

A ruling against the president could also force the Trump administration to pay back a substantial portion of the roughly $200 billion it has collected in duties since the start of the year. While the Supreme Court offered little indication as to whether it would order such refunds, some businesses have started the legal legwork to obtain them anyway, aiming to beat the rush and recover their full tariff costs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/03/business/supreme-court-tariff-ruling-refunds.html

The tariffs will continue regardless of the SC

 

[JohnDB]

The Economy wasn't a problem until Spray-Tan Stalin started ******* with it

No, a trade deficit because Americans prefer cheaper, better quality foreign goods is not a crisis.



So instead of making billionaires pay for government, let's shift the burden back onto consumers. Brilliant!!!



Costco is now the enemy.

Tell me you are in a cult without telling me you are in a cult.

Congress didn't vote for this tax on Costco, so Costco has every right to challenge it.

The problem is, even this SCOTUS, bootlickers that they are, wouldn't want to give the President the ability to unilaterally raise taxes. So this is why they will find in Costco's favor.

Wow

Did not know you were that ignorant.
I thought you might have been but I didn't expect you to prove it in such a dramatic fashion.

Costco is a symptom of a larger problem.
Not everything shipped to the USA is a finished product. Many goods are raw materials which are processed here into goods and then shipped abroad again or sold for commercial use. The Consumers are not the general population except by remote extension.

A set of machines that process lettuce from the field into a washed and packaged product takes parts from many places to be assemble here then installed in a food processing facility. We have zero stainless steel manufacturers in the US. That does not mean we do not know how to fabricate it into things. But....motors come from China, processing chips from Taiwan, Singapore has the circuit boards, France the controls,....on and on it goes.

The processing company pays the taxes....and it really doesn't double the price of baby spoon spinach grown in Florida. It increases equipment costs but it's a capital expense for a depreciating asset the corporation takes off its profits so they don't pay taxes.

Belgium Chocolate? Of course the tarrifs have doubled the price. Beans grown in Africa, processed in Belgium and what once cost $5-$6/lb is now $11+/lb. (Bulk pricing for 11 lb callets...not a candy bar. )
But it's definitely going to raise the cost of consumer goods and add at least 60% to a retail price. (John Kelly Chocolates have grown in price).

We are going to see LOTS of automation and robots in the near future. The USA may have the engineering needed to make the robotics and automation but none of the components. Corporate America also pays very little taxes. Import tarrifs RESTORES the taxes to whom the burden really belongs and they can't wiggle out of paying so little anymore. While actually improving the attractiveness of USA made goods for the same money.

So corporate profits take a hit at first....nobody is going to cry over it.

 

[SweetTea]

costco vs the USG.......yeah that should work out well in their favor

This is what happens when a liberal company pokes the bear......

My local costco is ALWAYS packed no matter what time of day, not even an open spot......crazy

how many people need to stock up on stuff?? It just baffles me they are so busy

Seriously, every time I drive by it's packed regardless of the day of week

I don’t have a Costco membership because of their politics…that and the fact that it is full of nothing but rude Northerners. If I ever want to feel like I am in a grocery store in NYC, I could go to Costco. Sam’s is down the street. I choose to go there instead.

 

[SweetTea]

Prove the data is false or be branded a liar.

Oh please. You reject any facts that don’t fit your fixed narrative.

 

[Hafar1014]

Oh please. You reject any facts that don’t fit your fixed narrative.

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden - PMC

The treatment for transsexualism is sex reassignment, including hormonal treatment and surgery aimed at making the person's body as congruent with the opposite sex as possible. There is a dearth of long term, follow-up studies after sex ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Results​

The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8–62.9). Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts (aHR 4.9; 95% CI 2.9–8.5) and psychiatric inpatient care (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 2.0–3.9). Comparisons with controls matched on reassigned sex yielded similar results. Female-to-males, but not male-to-females, had a higher risk for criminal convictions than their respective birth sex controls.

Conclusions​

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

 

[SweetTea]

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden - PMC

The treatment for transsexualism is sex reassignment, including hormonal treatment and surgery aimed at making the person's body as congruent with the opposite sex as possible. There is a dearth of long term, follow-up studies after sex ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Results​

The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8–62.9). Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts (aHR 4.9; 95% CI 2.9–8.5) and psychiatric inpatient care (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 2.0–3.9). Comparisons with controls matched on reassigned sex yielded similar results. Female-to-males, but not male-to-females, had a higher risk for criminal convictions than their respective birth sex controls.

Conclusions​

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

Yeah, I pointed out the fact that the US ranks 2nd in the in world disposable income per capita across all income classes, making the point that the US is a shining example of success for a non-social Democracy country. citygator hates that because it destroys his narrative. It is amazing just how many educated folks only incapable of questioning their indoctrination. In most cases, it is hubris. Admitting they were fooled for so many years would be devastating to their delicate psyche.

 

[JoeB131]

Costco is a symptom of a larger problem.
Not everything shipped to the USA is a finished product. Many goods are raw materials which are processed here into goods and then shipped abroad again or sold for commercial use. The Consumers are not the general population except by remote extension.

A set of machines that process lettuce from the field into a washed and packaged product takes parts from many places to be assemble here then installed in a food processing facility. We have zero stainless steel manufacturers in the US. That does not mean we do not know how to fabricate it into things. But....motors come from China, processing chips from Taiwan, Singapore has the circuit boards, France the controls,....on and on it goes.

Um, yeah, this is what I do for a living, purchasing manufacturing components.

Do you not see how Mango Mussolini raising prices on all these components is going to drive up prices?

But it gets worse. What happens when increased prices cut into profit margins? For instance, yesterday, I found out a component we need for a system is going to cost $400 more than it did last year (a 50% increase). Well, big problem. The application Engineer proposed this job to the customer based on the old price. So that's a $400 hit on profit we are going to take.

 

[citygator]

Oh please. You reject any facts that don’t fit your fixed narrative.

I reject “alternate facts” which are made up and I do it by providing actual facts. Glad you noticed.

 

[egp320i]

I don’t have a Costco membership because of their politics…that and the fact that it is full of nothing but rude Northerners. If I ever want to feel like I am in a grocery store in NYC, I could go to Costco. Sam’s is down the street. I choose to go there instead.

I am on the other side, and yes they are liberal but the people are not rude here, sadly I not have a sam's, I did were I previously lived and I like it way better, better selection of things I actually want to buy

 

[egp320i]

Um, yeah, this is what I do for a living, purchasing manufacturing components.

Do you not see how Mango Mussolini raising prices on all these components is going to drive up prices?

But it gets worse. What happens when increased prices cut into profit margins? For instance, yesterday, I found out a component we need for a system is going to cost $400 more than it did last year (a 50% increase). Well, big problem. The application Engineer proposed this job to the customer based on the old price. So that's a $400 hit on profit we are going to take.

So all the parts for the junk you buy are imported from China huh? Maybe buy USA,

 

[JoeB131]

So all the parts for the junk you buy are imported from China huh? Maybe buy USA,

Actually, they are imported from all over the world.

I will give you another great example. I was purchasing components for a project with stainless steel, with a customer requirement that none of the parts could come from China or India. Well, almost none of them were able to provide US components, because very little Stainless is still made in the US. The parts came from Italy, Germany, the UK, Malaysia, Thailand, the Philippines, South Korea, and Japan.

And one of the vendors STILL tried to pull a fast one on me and send me assemblies that had parts from India.

The problem is, a lot of these components, there's nothing available in the US. Or if it is, it's prohibitively expensive.

But it's a little worse than that. Even if I find a replacement component for something more complicated than a metal fitting, I have to get customer acceptance. If we have been providing them X from China for the last 10 years, I can't simply substitute Y from Malaysia, even if it functions the same.

Trump's Tariff policies are going to drive us into recession.

 

[egp320i]

What is the tariff on Germany for your parts of Japan? likely nowhere near as high as china who is our enemy

US steel and nucor make tons of stainless steel

My brother is a master welder and can tig and stick stainless blindolded and all the steel he works with is from the US

when you have critical steam pipe you don't want junk but in your case it's just farm parts well indian steel or maylasia is fine and cheaper [but maybe not now with tariffs]

 

[JoeB131]

What is the tariff on Germany for your parts of Japan? likely nowhere near as high as china who is our enemy

China isn't our enemy. China has never done anything all that bad to us. The problem with stupid people is that they watch the rich move their jobs to China, and instead of hating rich people (who deserve it, frankly) they hate on the poor Chinese worker who probably has more in common with you thank you think.

US steel and nucor make tons of stainless steel

My brother is a master welder and can tig and stick stainless blindolded and all the steel he works with is from the US

I'm glad for him. Has nothing to do with the fact that US Stainless is only about 3% of the globe's output.

when you have critical steam pipe you don't want junk but in your case it's just farm parts well indian steel or maylasia is fine and cheaper [but maybe not now with tariffs]

Why do you think my case is farm parts? (IT's actually for chemical handling applications, but never mind.)

 

[egp320i]

China isn't our enemy. China has never done anything all that bad to us. The problem with stupid people is that they watch the rich move their jobs to China, and instead of hating rich people (who deserve it, frankly) they hate on the poor Chinese worker who probably has more in common with you thank you think.



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I'm glad for him. Has nothing to do with the fact that US Stainless is only about 3% of the globe's output.


Why do you think my case is farm parts? (IT's actually for chemical handling applications, but never mind.)

global output if we send it around, how about we produce what he need for our consumption which we do

sure for non critical stuff we need to import from china and india, etc but not for critical pipe, that is the main
difference.
cheap steam pipe wears out faster, needs repaired more often and replaced, that add extra cost
welders don't spend the time building pipe for free

china is a love/hate relationship, they need us but the don't like us and if they could take us over they sure in hell would

there is a custom built pipe, has to be exact, not something you want to keep trying to do often

 

[JoeB131]

global output if we send it around, how about we produce what he need for our consumption which we do

Except what we produce is nowhere near what we need. What little we do produce goes to military applications.

sure for non critical stuff we need to import from china and india, etc but not for critical pipe, that is the main
difference.
cheap steam pipe wears out faster, needs repaired more often and replaced, that add extra cost
welders don't spend the time building pipe for free

True, but how often do you need to call in a welder? The problem with our modern economy is that we have found replacing is cheaper than repairing.

When I was growing up, we had a color TV that was run by tubes. And when it went on the fritz, Dad would send little Joey up to the hardware store with a bag of suspect tubes to test on a tester.

I had a Toshiba TV that I had for 15 years, never had an issue until the end. The TV I had after that was still functional after about 10 years, but I got rid of it because it wasn't widescreen, and most new shows were in the Widescreen format.

Today, we have flat screens that are a lot cheaper, and they never go on the fritz.

china is a love/hate relationship, they need us but the don't like us and if they could take us over they sure in hell would

You see, this is where you get stupid. The Chinese don't hate us, and they certainly don't want to take us over. Sweet evil Jesus, man, China hasn't launched an offensive war since 1979, we've launched several.

there is a custom built pipe, has to be exact, not something you want to keep trying to do often

I agree, that would probably last for decades, so I'm not seeing the problem.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[JoeB131]

Good for them.

After the Debacle of Trump, I doubt any of his fluffers are going to be getting big offers from Corporate America.

 

[JohnDB]

Good for them.

After the Debacle of Trump, I doubt any of his fluffers are going to be getting big offers from Corporate America.

So you think it's perfectly fine that Large Corporations have bought and paid for the Democrat Party?

That's ridiculous and scary. That's like wanting to sign up for slavery complete with shackles and "SLAVE" tattooed on your forehead.

 

[JoeB131]

So you think it's perfectly fine that Large Corporations have bought and paid for the Democrat Party?

That's ridiculous and scary. That's like wanting to sign up for slavery complete with shackles and "SLAVE" tattooed on your forehead.

It's so cute when you Right Wingers pretend you aren't for Plutocracy.

The Plutocrats are getting most of what they want out of Trump. The problem for them is he's ******* up the economy in the process.