Syria conflict: Bolton says US withdrawal is conditional

[McRocket]

'The withdrawal of US troops from Syria depends on certain conditions, US National Security Adviser John Bolton says, in a further indication that the process is being slowed down.

On a trip to Israel and Turkey, he said he would seek Turkish assurances that Kurds in northern Syria would be safe.

The US also wants to ensure that the remnants of the Islamic State (IS) group are defeated, he added.

President Donald Trump has faced strong criticism over the planned US pullout.

When he first announced the move in the middle of December, he said: "They're all coming back and they're coming back now."

However, speaking on Sunday before leaving for his Camp David retreat, he told reporters: "We are pulling back... I never said we were doing it quickly."

Mr Trump also said last month that IS had been "defeated".'

US withdrawal from Syria 'conditional'


If Trump chickens out on this - he is a completely, spineless wimp.

You don't play political games with American troops. If you tell them (and their families) that you are pulling them out 'now'? You pull them out 'NOW'.

Hey Trump?

1) Fire that piece of shit, Neocon poster boy Bolton - the whack job. The man is a psycho. He will NEVER rest until American troops are in almost every country in the world.
2) Bring the troops home NOW.
Turkey will NEVER give/keep assurances about the Kurds. Nor should they. The Kurds stole the land in Syria they now occupy - they have NO RIGHT TO IT AT ALL. If The Turks want to boot the Kurds from this Syrian land that they stole - power to them.

 

[depotoo]

Yep, and it isn’t happening, as we speak.
US withdrawal from Syria depends on conditions, John Bolton says
U.S. says no timeline for Syria withdrawal as fighting continues | Reuters

 

[Oddball]

I always said Bolton was a horrid pick for the job.

 

[Sunni Man]

1) Fire that piece of shit, Neocon poster boy Bolton - the whack job. The man is a psycho. He will NEVER rest until American troops are in almost every country in the world.
2) Bring the troops home NOW.
Turkey will NEVER give/keep assurances about the Kurds. Nor should they. The Kurds stole the land in Syria they now occupy - they have NO RIGHT TO IT AT ALL. If The Turks want to boot the Kurds from this Syrian land that they stole - power to them.

I agree with both of these points. ...

 

[tinydancer]

The neo cons want another US base in the ME. To hell with them. Leave Syrians to the Syrians. Assad's military will protect the Kurds. They are Syrian after all.

 

[tinydancer]

'The withdrawal of US troops from Syria depends on certain conditions, US National Security Adviser John Bolton says, in a further indication that the process is being slowed down.

On a trip to Israel and Turkey, he said he would seek Turkish assurances that Kurds in northern Syria would be safe.

The US also wants to ensure that the remnants of the Islamic State (IS) group are defeated, he added.

President Donald Trump has faced strong criticism over the planned US pullout.

When he first announced the move in the middle of December, he said: "They're all coming back and they're coming back now."

However, speaking on Sunday before leaving for his Camp David retreat, he told reporters: "We are pulling back... I never said we were doing it quickly."

Mr Trump also said last month that IS had been "defeated".'

US withdrawal from Syria 'conditional'


If Trump chickens out on this - he is a completely, spineless wimp.

You don't play political games with American troops. If you tell them (and their families) that you are pulling them out 'now'? You pull them out 'NOW'.

Hey Trump?

1) Fire that piece of shit, Neocon poster boy Bolton - the whack job. The man is a psycho. He will NEVER rest until American troops are in almost every country in the world.
2) Bring the troops home NOW.
Turkey will NEVER give/keep assurances about the Kurds. Nor should they. The Kurds stole the land in Syria they now occupy - they have NO RIGHT TO IT AT ALL. If The Turks want to boot the Kurds from this Syrian land that they stole - power to them.

Screw you for backing Erdogan and wanting Turkey to kill those Syrian Kurds. The Kurds have turned once again to Assad for protection. Turkey has been part of this freaking dogs breakfast since the beginning.

Turkey/Qatar/Saudi Arabia used the fake Arab Spring to take out three secular rulers in Egypt/Libya/Syria. With our backing!!!!!!!!!!!

How nuts is this that we were backing this shit to cram sharia up everyone's butt in the ME. Syrians are free people. But for some crazy reason our leaders in the west cooked up a scheme declaring Assad a brutal dictator when then nothing could be farther from the truth.

Secular government. Elections. Women allowed to be part of the political action. Law system based on French law. Sharia optional.

Why the hell did our western leaders want to put these women in chains and burkas?

Night life in Damascus. Not cave dwellers.

Brutal dictator??????????????????????????????? Kiss my ass.

 

[BlackFlag]

Trump has made the military industrial complex a top priority for his administration, even condoning the murder of journalists and citizens by foreign dictators to make them more money. If there's still money to be made by blowing up Syria, we're not going anywhere.

 

[tinydancer]

Trump has made the military industrial complex a top priority for his administration, even condoning the murder of journalists and citizens by foreign dictators to make them more money. If there's still money to be made by blowing up Syria, we're not going anywhere.

Link to the condoning of the murder of journalists and citizens by foreign dictators?

 

[sartre play]

They would not have to back track so much if due diligence was done in the 1st place.

 

[McRocket]

'The withdrawal of US troops from Syria depends on certain conditions, US National Security Adviser John Bolton says, in a further indication that the process is being slowed down.

On a trip to Israel and Turkey, he said he would seek Turkish assurances that Kurds in northern Syria would be safe.

The US also wants to ensure that the remnants of the Islamic State (IS) group are defeated, he added.

President Donald Trump has faced strong criticism over the planned US pullout.

When he first announced the move in the middle of December, he said: "They're all coming back and they're coming back now."

However, speaking on Sunday before leaving for his Camp David retreat, he told reporters: "We are pulling back... I never said we were doing it quickly."

Mr Trump also said last month that IS had been "defeated".'

US withdrawal from Syria 'conditional'


If Trump chickens out on this - he is a completely, spineless wimp.

You don't play political games with American troops. If you tell them (and their families) that you are pulling them out 'now'? You pull them out 'NOW'.

Hey Trump?

1) Fire that piece of shit, Neocon poster boy Bolton - the whack job. The man is a psycho. He will NEVER rest until American troops are in almost every country in the world.
2) Bring the troops home NOW.
Turkey will NEVER give/keep assurances about the Kurds. Nor should they. The Kurds stole the land in Syria they now occupy - they have NO RIGHT TO IT AT ALL. If The Turks want to boot the Kurds from this Syrian land that they stole - power to them.

Screw you for backing Erdogan and wanting Turkey to kill those Syrian Kurds. The Kurds have turned once again to Assad for protection. Turkey has been part of this freaking dogs breakfast since the beginning.

Try more reading and less assuming....I said nothing about Turks killing Kurds.

I simply said if the Turks want to help kick the Kurds out of land that does not belong to them (assuming they go home afterwards) power to them.

And think for ****'s sake...they don't need to kill them to do that. If America leaves and the Turks tell the Kurds to leave Syria or they will make them - the Kurds will go - guaranteed. No way they can stand up to one of Europe's most powerful military's - and they know it.
Turkey won't start killing Kurds - and risk pissing off America and dragging them back into it if they can in ANY WAY help it.

And if you knew anything about the Syrian Civil War - you would know that the Turks had little to do with it - in terms of invading/holding territory - until the Kurds entered Syria and stated they were not going to leave it.
Only then did Erdogan (whom I am no fan of, btw) invade.

Neither the Turks or the Kurds are the 'good guys' here. But the Kurds - who have vowed to steal roughly 1/4 of Syria - are BY FAR the worst offender of the two in Syria.

 

[McRocket]

1) Fire that piece of shit, Neocon poster boy Bolton - the whack job. The man is a psycho. He will NEVER rest until American troops are in almost every country in the world.
2) Bring the troops home NOW.
Turkey will NEVER give/keep assurances about the Kurds. Nor should they. The Kurds stole the land in Syria they now occupy - they have NO RIGHT TO IT AT ALL. If The Turks want to boot the Kurds from this Syrian land that they stole - power to them.

I agree with both of these points. ...

Nice to see someone who has a proper understanding of the situation.

 

[tinydancer]

'The withdrawal of US troops from Syria depends on certain conditions, US National Security Adviser John Bolton says, in a further indication that the process is being slowed down.

On a trip to Israel and Turkey, he said he would seek Turkish assurances that Kurds in northern Syria would be safe.

The US also wants to ensure that the remnants of the Islamic State (IS) group are defeated, he added.

President Donald Trump has faced strong criticism over the planned US pullout.

When he first announced the move in the middle of December, he said: "They're all coming back and they're coming back now."

However, speaking on Sunday before leaving for his Camp David retreat, he told reporters: "We are pulling back... I never said we were doing it quickly."

Mr Trump also said last month that IS had been "defeated".'

US withdrawal from Syria 'conditional'


If Trump chickens out on this - he is a completely, spineless wimp.

You don't play political games with American troops. If you tell them (and their families) that you are pulling them out 'now'? You pull them out 'NOW'.

Hey Trump?

1) Fire that piece of shit, Neocon poster boy Bolton - the whack job. The man is a psycho. He will NEVER rest until American troops are in almost every country in the world.
2) Bring the troops home NOW.
Turkey will NEVER give/keep assurances about the Kurds. Nor should they. The Kurds stole the land in Syria they now occupy - they have NO RIGHT TO IT AT ALL. If The Turks want to boot the Kurds from this Syrian land that they stole - power to them.

Screw you for backing Erdogan and wanting Turkey to kill those Syrian Kurds. The Kurds have turned once again to Assad for protection. Turkey has been part of this freaking dogs breakfast since the beginning.

Try more reading and less assuming....jerk.

I said nothing about Turks killing Kurds. Duh.

I simply said if the Turks want to help kick the Kurds out of land that does not belong to them (assuming they go home afterwards) power to them.

And think for ****'s sake...they don't need to kill them to do that. If America leaves and the Turks tell the Kurds to leave Syria or they will make them - the Kurds will go - guaranteed. No way they can stand up to one of Europe's most powerful military's - and they know it.

And if you knew anything about the Syrian Civil War - you would know that the Turks had little to do with it until the Kurds entered Syria and stated they were not going to leave it.
Only then did Erdogan (whom I cannot stand, btw) invade.

Here is a map asshole of the war from the start and how it progressed.

Now who entered Syria first - the Kurds or the Turks?

The answer is the Kurds...DUH.



Learn the subject you are talking about before you start flapping your gums about it and you won't sound so ignorant.

First off I want to apologize for saying screw you. That was uncalled for. And I mean it.

Now to truth. The Kurds invaded nothing. They are Syrian and Iraqi Kurds. The Kurds live in both countries. Here comes your FYI.

Turkey was part of the effort to overthow Assad. Turn Syria over to the MB. The Kurds live and always have lived on the borders. No countries of their own. Hence no invasions.

I know my timelines.

Middle East
C.I.A. Said to Aid in Steering Arms to Syrian Opposition
By ERIC SCHMITTJUNE 21, 2012

WASHINGTON — A small number of C.I.A. officers are operating secretly in southern Turkey, helping allies decide which Syrian opposition fighters across the border will receive arms to fight the Syrian government, according to American officials and Arab intelligence officers.

The weapons, including automatic rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, ammunition and some antitank weapons, are being funneled mostly across the Turkish border by way of a shadowy network of intermediaries including Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood and paid for by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the officials said.

More at link

C.I.A. Said to Aid in Steering Arms to Syrian Rebels

 

[tinydancer]

Now lets get some sort of reality here. Assad's military have moved into the Kurd stronghold to protect them. They are Syrian citizens and Assad will protect them. Erdogan better back off.

I just don't want USA troops caught in a crossfire of Erdogan going looney tunes to try to take out the Kurds vs Assad's men. That would be bad. That is a nightmare scenario. Because Erdogan can play the NATO card and then you have NATO vs Syria, Iran and Russia.

You know.

WWIII. And Erdogan is crazy enough to ignite it.

 

[tinydancer]

1) Fire that piece of shit, Neocon poster boy Bolton - the whack job. The man is a psycho. He will NEVER rest until American troops are in almost every country in the world.
2) Bring the troops home NOW.
Turkey will NEVER give/keep assurances about the Kurds. Nor should they. The Kurds stole the land in Syria they now occupy - they have NO RIGHT TO IT AT ALL. If The Turks want to boot the Kurds from this Syrian land that they stole - power to them.

I agree with both of these points. ...

I wanted to get this to you. It's important. Not only do the people support Assad but so does his military who are mainly Sunni. We have been so lied to. Check this out.

From the article. worth the read.His army is Sunni.

Why Assad's Army Has Not Defected
The Syrian military's resilience should not be dismissed—nor should its support.

The Syrian Arab Army has held its own for more than five years. Its numbers might have been depleted, as is normal for any wartime military, but a close glance at its military reveals that its core, perhaps unexpectedly to many, is Sunni.

The current minister of defense, Fahd al-Freij, is one of the most decorated officers in Syrian military history and hails from the Sunni heartland of Hama. The two most powerful intelligence chiefs, Ali Mamlouk and Mohammad Dib Zaitoun, have remained loyal to the Syrian government—and are both Sunnis from influential families.

The now-dead and dreaded strongman of Syrian intelligence, Rustom Ghazaleh, who ruled Lebanon with an iron fist, was a Sunni, and the head of the investigative branch of the political directorate, Mahmoud al-Khattib, is from an old Damascene Sunni family.

Major General Ramadan Mahmoud Ramadan, commander of the Thirty-Fifth Special Forces Regiment, which is tasked with the protection of western Damascus, is another high-ranking Sunni, as is Brigadier General Jihad Mohamed Sultan, the commander of the Sixty-Fifth Brigade that guards Latakia.

The history of the Syrian Army that Hafez al-Assad built is instructive today. As president, the elder Assad brought senior members of the Syrian Air Force into the military high command. Naji Jamil (another Sunni) served as air force chief from 1970 to 1978 and was promoted to the General Staff committee overseeing defenses on the Iraqi border.

Another air force commander was Muhammad al-Khuli, who until 1993 held coveted logistical positions between Damascus and Lebanon. Other prominent officers above the rank of Brigadier in military and civil defense positions post-2000 were Sunnis, including Rustom Ghazaleh, Hazem al Khadra and Deeb Zaytoun.

Since 1973, the strategic tank battalions of the Seventieth Armored Brigade, stationed near al-Kiswah near Damascus, have had rank-and-file Alawis under the command of Sunni officers. As well, two of the most decorated officers who rose to be Chief of General Staff under Bashar al-Assad were Sunnis: Hassan Turkmani and Hikmat Shehabi.

From the 1970s until the 1990s, the Syrian Arab Army had a mandate to stabilize Lebanon. During these years, it worked to outmaneuver both the IDF and the U.S. Marines by supporting various proxies in Lebanon. In post-Saddam Iraq, the Americans could never understand which elements of both the Sunni and Shia insurgencies were supported by Syrian military intelligence, much of this owing to the stealth with which the Syrian Army controlled various Iraqi agents dating back to the Lebanese civil war.


The Syrian Arab Army is also the only Arab army with multiple Christians serving as generals. The most famous of these was Daoud Rajha, the Greek Orthodox army chief of staff. The two most influential Lebanese Christian leaders, now on the verge of becoming the next president of Lebanon, are Michel Aoun and Suleiman Franjieh, who are also allies of the Syrian Arab Army and President Assad. Deir al-Zour is an entirely Sunni city which has held out against ISIS encirclement for two years—and is commanded by the Druze General Issam Zahreddine.

The fact remains: The moderate Syrian opposition only exists in fancy suits in Western hotel lobbies. It has little military backing on the ground. If you want to ask why Assad is still the president of Syria, the answer is not simply Russia or Iran, but the fact that his army remains resilient and pluralistic, representing a Syria in which religion alone does not determine who rises to the top.

The military also represent as challenge against the spread of terrorism, which is why three of the top British generals of the last five years have openly called for the recognition that the Syrian Arab Army, loyal to President Assad, is the only force capable of defeating ISIS and Al Qaeda in the Levant.

Why Assad's Army Has Not Defected

 

[BlackFlag]

Trump has made the military industrial complex a top priority for his administration, even condoning the murder of journalists and citizens by foreign dictators to make them more money. If there's still money to be made by blowing up Syria, we're not going anywhere.

Link to the condoning of the murder of journalists and citizens by foreign dictators?

Afe you going to pretend to demand proof that Trump didn’t completely run cover for the Saudi’s murdering Khashoggi and for Putin murdering British citizens on British soil 2 years ago?! Pathetic

 

[McRocket]

'Trump says U.S. will leave Syria "at a proper pace"
President Trump tweeted Monday that the U.S. is set to withdraw its military forces from Syria "at a proper pace," while criticizing what he branded as a "knowingly ... very inaccurate" New York Times story about the timeline for a withdrawal.

"The Failing New York Times has knowingly written a very inaccurate story on my intentions on Syria. No different from my original statements, we will be leaving at a proper pace while at the same time continuing to fight ISIS and doing all else that is prudent and necessary!"'

Trump says U.S. will leave Syria "at a proper pace" and claims plans have not changed


What the **** is he talking about?

He said a few weeks ago:

Trump Says ISIS Is Defeated So U.S. Troops Will Leave Syria

Why the hell would you fight something that is already defeated?

I was afraid of this...he is backing off his earlier pledge.

Shame on you Mr. President.

 

[Oddball]

Screw you for backing Erdogan and wanting Turkey to kill those Syrian Kurds. The Kurds have turned once again to Assad for protection. Turkey has been part of this freaking dogs breakfast since the beginning.

Turkey/Qatar/Saudi Arabia used the fake Arab Spring to take out three secular rulers in Egypt/Libya/Syria. With our backing!!!!!!!!!!!

How nuts is this that we were backing this shit to cram sharia up everyone's butt in the ME. Syrians are free people. But for some crazy reason our leaders in the west cooked up a scheme declaring Assad a brutal dictator when then nothing could be farther from the truth.

Secular government. Elections. Women allowed to be part of the political action. Law system based on French law. Sharia optional.

Why the hell did our western leaders want to put these women in chains and burkas?

Night life in Damascus. Not cave dwellers.

Brutal dictator??????????????????????????????? Kiss my ass.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

'Trump says U.S. will leave Syria "at a proper pace"
President Trump tweeted Monday that the U.S. is set to withdraw its military forces from Syria "at a proper pace," while criticizing what he branded as a "knowingly ... very inaccurate" New York Times story about the timeline for a withdrawal.

"The Failing New York Times has knowingly written a very inaccurate story on my intentions on Syria. No different from my original statements, we will be leaving at a proper pace while at the same time continuing to fight ISIS and doing all else that is prudent and necessary!"'

Trump says U.S. will leave Syria "at a proper pace" and claims plans have not changed


What the **** is he talking about?

He said a few weeks ago:

Trump Says ISIS Is Defeated So U.S. Troops Will Leave Syria

Why the hell would you fight something that is already defeated?

I was afraid of this...he is backing off his earlier pledge.

Shame on you Mr. President.

We all knew that Trump was not going to screw with Bolton.


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[McRocket]

As usual on foreign policy, Dr. Ron Paul gets it right, the Neocons/war mongers get it wrong.

Especially from 6:00 onwards.



Why the **** does Trump not put people in his inner circle who feel like he does on foreign policy?

Why the **** did he hire Bolton - of ALL people...the King of the Neocons?

If you want to have an 'America First' policy...then you surround yourself with 'America First' staff members.
No, not Trump.

Same with the Fed. He wants rates kept low. So who does he pick for the chairman and vice-chair for the Fed? Semi-hawks who want to raise rates.

Jeez.

 

[bendog]

'The withdrawal of US troops from Syria depends on certain conditions, US National Security Adviser John Bolton says, in a further indication that the process is being slowed down.

On a trip to Israel and Turkey, he said he would seek Turkish assurances that Kurds in northern Syria would be safe.

The US also wants to ensure that the remnants of the Islamic State (IS) group are defeated, he added.

President Donald Trump has faced strong criticism over the planned US pullout.

When he first announced the move in the middle of December, he said: "They're all coming back and they're coming back now."

However, speaking on Sunday before leaving for his Camp David retreat, he told reporters: "We are pulling back... I never said we were doing it quickly."

Mr Trump also said last month that IS had been "defeated".'

US withdrawal from Syria 'conditional'


If Trump chickens out on this - he is a completely, spineless wimp.

You don't play political games with American troops. If you tell them (and their families) that you are pulling them out 'now'? You pull them out 'NOW'.

Hey Trump?

1) Fire that piece of shit, Neocon poster boy Bolton - the whack job. The man is a psycho. He will NEVER rest until American troops are in almost every country in the world.
2) Bring the troops home NOW.
Turkey will NEVER give/keep assurances about the Kurds. Nor should they. The Kurds stole the land in Syria they now occupy - they have NO RIGHT TO IT AT ALL. If The Turks want to boot the Kurds from this Syrian land that they stole - power to them.

John Bolton pulling the boot from Isis' neck. He must really have been desperate for power to take the job.