Sydney woman faces death penalty in Malaysia

[ChrisL]

P M

Harsh is pretty mild designation of what they call justice system in Malaysia.

Former Aussie PM Bob Hawke called Malaysia "barbaric" when they execution-hanged Barlow and Chambers.

PM Abbott should do the same thing...then rip up the free trade agreement, boot their ambassador out, and boot all Malaysian nationals out including students....for starters.

Malaysia's main source of income is investment from wealthy countries like Australia. I think it will be a good idea for Australia to start pulling out its investment from Malaysia. After that Australia should start lobbying other countries to do the same.

Why would you want to go and do that?

To apply pressure on Malaysia.

But WE have the death penalty here in America too. Who are WE to tell another country what to do? Do you want us to involve ourselves in other countries' business, or not? You can't have it BOTH ways.

 

[Vikrant]

P M

Harsh is pretty mild designation of what they call justice system in Malaysia.

Former Aussie PM Bob Hawke called Malaysia "barbaric" when they execution-hanged Barlow and Chambers.

PM Abbott should do the same thing...then rip up the free trade agreement, boot their ambassador out, and boot all Malaysian nationals out including students....for starters.

Malaysia's main source of income is investment from wealthy countries like Australia. I think it will be a good idea for Australia to start pulling out its investment from Malaysia. After that Australia should start lobbying other countries to do the same.

Why would you want to go and do that?

To apply pressure on Malaysia.

But WE have the death penalty here in America too. Who are WE to tell another country what to do? Do you want us to involve ourselves in other countries' business, or not? You can't have it BOTH ways.

Australia does not have death penalty. So Australia definitely has a moral high ground here. But that is not the point though. The point is Malaysia is executing people who have committed non-violent crimes. This is inhumane and barbaric. That is the contention here.

 

[ChrisL]

P MFormer Aussie PM Bob Hawke called Malaysia "barbaric" when they execution-hanged Barlow and Chambers.

PM Abbott should do the same thing...then rip up the free trade agreement, boot their ambassador out, and boot all Malaysian nationals out including students....for starters.

Malaysia's main source of income is investment from wealthy countries like Australia. I think it will be a good idea for Australia to start pulling out its investment from Malaysia. After that Australia should start lobbying other countries to do the same.

Why would you want to go and do that?

To apply pressure on Malaysia.

But WE have the death penalty here in America too. Who are WE to tell another country what to do? Do you want us to involve ourselves in other countries' business, or not? You can't have it BOTH ways.

Australia does not have death penalty. So Australia definitely has a moral high ground here. But that is not the point though. The point is Malaysia is executing people who have committed non-violent crimes. This is inhumane and barbaric. That is the contention here.

Okay, but Iran has the death penalty, as well as a lot of middle eastern countries, as well as North Korea and others. Why would we take it upon ourselves to set the laws in other countries? Also, we have groups like ISIS going around systemically raping and executing people, and this is what we should take action about? Considering Malaysia is probably FAR from the worst among the above mentioned places, I would think we could pick some wiser battles, to be honest.

 

[Vikrant]

Malaysia's main source of income is investment from wealthy countries like Australia. I think it will be a good idea for Australia to start pulling out its investment from Malaysia. After that Australia should start lobbying other countries to do the same.

Why would you want to go and do that?

To apply pressure on Malaysia.

But WE have the death penalty here in America too. Who are WE to tell another country what to do? Do you want us to involve ourselves in other countries' business, or not? You can't have it BOTH ways.

Australia does not have death penalty. So Australia definitely has a moral high ground here. But that is not the point though. The point is Malaysia is executing people who have committed non-violent crimes. This is inhumane and barbaric. That is the contention here.

Okay, but Iran has the death penalty, as well as a lot of middle eastern countries, as well as North Korea and others. Why would we take it upon ourselves to set the laws in other countries? Also, we have groups like ISIS going around systemically raping and executing people, and this is what we should take action about? Considering Malaysia is probably FAR from the worst among the above mentioned places, I would think we could pick some wiser battles, to be honest.

Iran and N Korea are already under sanction. It is time to include Malaysia in it.

 

[HenryBHough]

Recidivism is virtually unknown in Malaysia.

They may be onto something.

 

[bianco]

Okay, but Iran has the death penalty, as well as a lot of middle eastern countries, as well as North Korea and others. Why would we take it upon ourselves to set the laws in other countries? Also, we have groups like ISIS going around systemically raping and executing people, and this is what we should take action about? Considering Malaysia is probably FAR from the worst among the above mentioned places, I would think we could pick some wiser battles, to be honest.

"Death to America" Iran hangs gay people from cranes.
Obama seems like he's going to let Iran make nuclear weapons...then the 'fun' will start...standby for WW3, which won't last long..."one flash and you're ash" it will be.
America kills human beings in death chambers, it really should stop doing that.

Back to Malaysia...it's high time Australia told Malaysia what will be happening if Malaysia execution-slaughters another Australian citizen.
Australia either stands for something or it doesn't...idle rhetoric is not standing for something.

Vietnam has the death penalty, and has sentenced Australian citizens to death for drug smuggling.

Howard s pitch saves Australians from firing squad - World - smh.com.au

2006

TWO Australian men on death row in Vietnam for drug trafficking have escaped execution. The Vietnamese President said he had granted the pair clemency after lobbying from the Prime Minister, John Howard.
One of the men, 46-year-old Mai Cong Thanh, is an Australian citizen from Melbourne. He was arrested in June 2003 and sentenced to death two years later for trafficking 1.69 kilograms of heroin. The other, 45-year-old Nguyen Van Chinh, was born in Vietnam but had permanent residency and was living in Sydney. He was arrested in December 2002 for trafficking 1.05 kilograms of heroin and was also to face the firing squad.

The Vietnamese President, Tran Duc Luong, advised the Australian Government yesterday he had decided to commute the death sentences, citing "humane tradition" and a good bilateral relationship between the two countries.

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The President of Vietnam obviously values his country's friendship with Australia;

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Mr Howard had personally lobbied for clemency for the two when he attended the East Asia summit in Malaysia late last year.
The development leaves three Australian heroin traffickers on death row: Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, who were sentenced to death last week in Bali, and Trinh Huu, who was sentenced in Vietnam in December.

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Mr Howard would've asked nicely, in the spirit of friendship, and for a favour.
...and President Tran Duc Luong looked favourably on his request...as friends usually do.

Not so Joko the new President of Indonesia, he's condemned Chan and Sukumaran to be execution-shredded/tortured to death soon.
...and after all the billions in aid money, and other help and friendship Australia has given Indonesia.
So, as Indonesia is obviously no longer a friend of Australia...Australia should give Vietnam all the aid it now gives Indonesia...and Indonesia should get nothing, not one cent...not even the time of day.

 

[Vikrant]

^ Vietnam will prove much better friend to Australia than Malaysia. Australians should definitely work on improving relations with Vietnam.

 

[ChrisL]

Okay, but Iran has the death penalty, as well as a lot of middle eastern countries, as well as North Korea and others. Why would we take it upon ourselves to set the laws in other countries? Also, we have groups like ISIS going around systemically raping and executing people, and this is what we should take action about? Considering Malaysia is probably FAR from the worst among the above mentioned places, I would think we could pick some wiser battles, to be honest.

"Death to America" Iran hangs gay people from cranes.
Obama seems like he's going to let Iran make nuclear weapons...then the 'fun' will start...standby for WW3, which won't last long..."one flash and you're ash" it will be.
America kills human beings in death chambers, it really should stop doing that.

Back to Malaysia...it's high time Australia told Malaysia what will be happening if Malaysia execution-slaughters another Australian citizen.
Australia either stands for something or it doesn't...idle rhetoric is not standing for something.

Vietnam has the death penalty, and has sentenced Australian citizens to death for drug smuggling.

Howard s pitch saves Australians from firing squad - World - smh.com.au

2006

TWO Australian men on death row in Vietnam for drug trafficking have escaped execution. The Vietnamese President said he had granted the pair clemency after lobbying from the Prime Minister, John Howard.
One of the men, 46-year-old Mai Cong Thanh, is an Australian citizen from Melbourne. He was arrested in June 2003 and sentenced to death two years later for trafficking 1.69 kilograms of heroin. The other, 45-year-old Nguyen Van Chinh, was born in Vietnam but had permanent residency and was living in Sydney. He was arrested in December 2002 for trafficking 1.05 kilograms of heroin and was also to face the firing squad.

The Vietnamese President, Tran Duc Luong, advised the Australian Government yesterday he had decided to commute the death sentences, citing "humane tradition" and a good bilateral relationship between the two countries.

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The President of Vietnam obviously values his country's friendship with Australia;

______________________________________
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Mr Howard had personally lobbied for clemency for the two when he attended the East Asia summit in Malaysia late last year.
The development leaves three Australian heroin traffickers on death row: Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, who were sentenced to death last week in Bali, and Trinh Huu, who was sentenced in Vietnam in December.

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Mr Howard would've asked nicely, in the spirit of friendship, and for a favour.
...and President Tran Duc Luong looked favourably on his request...as friends usually do.

Not so Joko the new President of Indonesia, he's condemned Chan and Sukumaran to be execution-shredded/tortured to death soon.
...and after all the billions in aid money, and other help and friendship Australia has given Indonesia.
So, as Indonesia is obviously no longer a friend of Australia...Australia should give Vietnam all the aid it now gives Indonesia...and Indonesia should get nothing, not one cent...not even the time of day.

Well, I am against the death penalty, but I guess you shouldn't go to other countries like that and break their laws? I guess Australia can do what it wants. It's their citizen.

 

[ChrisL]

Why would you want to go and do that?

To apply pressure on Malaysia.

But WE have the death penalty here in America too. Who are WE to tell another country what to do? Do you want us to involve ourselves in other countries' business, or not? You can't have it BOTH ways.

Australia does not have death penalty. So Australia definitely has a moral high ground here. But that is not the point though. The point is Malaysia is executing people who have committed non-violent crimes. This is inhumane and barbaric. That is the contention here.

Okay, but Iran has the death penalty, as well as a lot of middle eastern countries, as well as North Korea and others. Why would we take it upon ourselves to set the laws in other countries? Also, we have groups like ISIS going around systemically raping and executing people, and this is what we should take action about? Considering Malaysia is probably FAR from the worst among the above mentioned places, I would think we could pick some wiser battles, to be honest.

Iran and N Korea are already under sanction. It is time to include Malaysia in it.

Well when are we all going to learn that whenever we get involved in the affairs of others, we just seem to make enemies? Although the penalty is very harsh and I certainly don't agree with it, there is no questioning the fact that if you are going to go to another country and break laws, you had better be prepared for the consequences.

 

[Vikrant]

To apply pressure on Malaysia.

But WE have the death penalty here in America too. Who are WE to tell another country what to do? Do you want us to involve ourselves in other countries' business, or not? You can't have it BOTH ways.

Australia does not have death penalty. So Australia definitely has a moral high ground here. But that is not the point though. The point is Malaysia is executing people who have committed non-violent crimes. This is inhumane and barbaric. That is the contention here.

Okay, but Iran has the death penalty, as well as a lot of middle eastern countries, as well as North Korea and others. Why would we take it upon ourselves to set the laws in other countries? Also, we have groups like ISIS going around systemically raping and executing people, and this is what we should take action about? Considering Malaysia is probably FAR from the worst among the above mentioned places, I would think we could pick some wiser battles, to be honest.

Iran and N Korea are already under sanction. It is time to include Malaysia in it.

Well when are we all going to learn that whenever we get involved in the affairs of others, we just seem to make enemies? Although the penalty is very harsh and I certainly don't agree with it, there is no questioning the fact that if you are going to go to another country and break laws, you had better be prepared for the consequences.

Over the years, Malaysia has received significant amount of cash influx from wealthy countries like Australia. As its income has gone up so has its propensity for human rights violations. So those countries that have invested in Malaysia, especially those who value human rights have every right to stop and pull out their investment from Malaysia.

 

[ChrisL]

But WE have the death penalty here in America too. Who are WE to tell another country what to do? Do you want us to involve ourselves in other countries' business, or not? You can't have it BOTH ways.

Australia does not have death penalty. So Australia definitely has a moral high ground here. But that is not the point though. The point is Malaysia is executing people who have committed non-violent crimes. This is inhumane and barbaric. That is the contention here.

Okay, but Iran has the death penalty, as well as a lot of middle eastern countries, as well as North Korea and others. Why would we take it upon ourselves to set the laws in other countries? Also, we have groups like ISIS going around systemically raping and executing people, and this is what we should take action about? Considering Malaysia is probably FAR from the worst among the above mentioned places, I would think we could pick some wiser battles, to be honest.

Iran and N Korea are already under sanction. It is time to include Malaysia in it.

Well when are we all going to learn that whenever we get involved in the affairs of others, we just seem to make enemies? Although the penalty is very harsh and I certainly don't agree with it, there is no questioning the fact that if you are going to go to another country and break laws, you had better be prepared for the consequences.

Over the years, Malaysia has received significant amount of cash influx from wealthy countries like Australia. As its income has gone up so has its propensity for human rights violations. So those countries that have invested in Malaysia, especially those who value human rights have every right to stop and pull out their investment from Malaysia.

That is the way of the world now. Countries have to buy their friends and allies apparently. also, do you think the poor citizens of the country would be the ones to suffer? The rich and powerful people who run things probably wouldn't be hurt.

 

[Vikrant]

Australia does not have death penalty. So Australia definitely has a moral high ground here. But that is not the point though. The point is Malaysia is executing people who have committed non-violent crimes. This is inhumane and barbaric. That is the contention here.

Okay, but Iran has the death penalty, as well as a lot of middle eastern countries, as well as North Korea and others. Why would we take it upon ourselves to set the laws in other countries? Also, we have groups like ISIS going around systemically raping and executing people, and this is what we should take action about? Considering Malaysia is probably FAR from the worst among the above mentioned places, I would think we could pick some wiser battles, to be honest.

Iran and N Korea are already under sanction. It is time to include Malaysia in it.

Well when are we all going to learn that whenever we get involved in the affairs of others, we just seem to make enemies? Although the penalty is very harsh and I certainly don't agree with it, there is no questioning the fact that if you are going to go to another country and break laws, you had better be prepared for the consequences.

Over the years, Malaysia has received significant amount of cash influx from wealthy countries like Australia. As its income has gone up so has its propensity for human rights violations. So those countries that have invested in Malaysia, especially those who value human rights have every right to stop and pull out their investment from Malaysia.

That is the way of the world now. Countries have to buy their friends and allies apparently. also, do you think the poor citizens of the country would be the ones to suffer? The rich and powerful people who run things probably wouldn't be hurt.

Malaysia is no body's ally. The way radicalism is increasing there, it is on verge of going rogue. Those investments will be lost any way even if you do not pull them. Industrialization does not flourish in a radical society.

 

[ChrisL]

Okay, but Iran has the death penalty, as well as a lot of middle eastern countries, as well as North Korea and others. Why would we take it upon ourselves to set the laws in other countries? Also, we have groups like ISIS going around systemically raping and executing people, and this is what we should take action about? Considering Malaysia is probably FAR from the worst among the above mentioned places, I would think we could pick some wiser battles, to be honest.

Iran and N Korea are already under sanction. It is time to include Malaysia in it.

Well when are we all going to learn that whenever we get involved in the affairs of others, we just seem to make enemies? Although the penalty is very harsh and I certainly don't agree with it, there is no questioning the fact that if you are going to go to another country and break laws, you had better be prepared for the consequences.

Over the years, Malaysia has received significant amount of cash influx from wealthy countries like Australia. As its income has gone up so has its propensity for human rights violations. So those countries that have invested in Malaysia, especially those who value human rights have every right to stop and pull out their investment from Malaysia.

That is the way of the world now. Countries have to buy their friends and allies apparently. also, do you think the poor citizens of the country would be the ones to suffer? The rich and powerful people who run things probably wouldn't be hurt.

Malaysia is no body's ally. The way radicalism is increasing there, it is on verge of going rogue. Those investments will be lost any way even if you do not pull them. Industrialization does not flourish in a radical society.

Well, then I must assume you feel the same about all of the other "radicalized" countries we give money to. Funny that some seem to want to help a place like Palestine. There are plenty of horrible places out there that benefit from our generosity.

 

[HUGGY]

Iran and N Korea are already under sanction. It is time to include Malaysia in it.

Well when are we all going to learn that whenever we get involved in the affairs of others, we just seem to make enemies? Although the penalty is very harsh and I certainly don't agree with it, there is no questioning the fact that if you are going to go to another country and break laws, you had better be prepared for the consequences.

Over the years, Malaysia has received significant amount of cash influx from wealthy countries like Australia. As its income has gone up so has its propensity for human rights violations. So those countries that have invested in Malaysia, especially those who value human rights have every right to stop and pull out their investment from Malaysia.

That is the way of the world now. Countries have to buy their friends and allies apparently. also, do you think the poor citizens of the country would be the ones to suffer? The rich and powerful people who run things probably wouldn't be hurt.

Malaysia is no body's ally. The way radicalism is increasing there, it is on verge of going rogue. Those investments will be lost any way even if you do not pull them. Industrialization does not flourish in a radical society.

Well, then I must assume you feel the same about all of the other "radicalized" countries we give money to. Funny that some seem to want to help a place like Palestine. There are plenty of horrible places out there that benefit from our generosity.

Ya... like every state below the Mason/Dixon line..

 

[Vikrant]

Iran and N Korea are already under sanction. It is time to include Malaysia in it.

Well when are we all going to learn that whenever we get involved in the affairs of others, we just seem to make enemies? Although the penalty is very harsh and I certainly don't agree with it, there is no questioning the fact that if you are going to go to another country and break laws, you had better be prepared for the consequences.

Over the years, Malaysia has received significant amount of cash influx from wealthy countries like Australia. As its income has gone up so has its propensity for human rights violations. So those countries that have invested in Malaysia, especially those who value human rights have every right to stop and pull out their investment from Malaysia.

That is the way of the world now. Countries have to buy their friends and allies apparently. also, do you think the poor citizens of the country would be the ones to suffer? The rich and powerful people who run things probably wouldn't be hurt.

Malaysia is no body's ally. The way radicalism is increasing there, it is on verge of going rogue. Those investments will be lost any way even if you do not pull them. Industrialization does not flourish in a radical society.

Well, then I must assume you feel the same about all of the other "radicalized" countries we give money to. Funny that some seem to want to help a place like Palestine. There are plenty of horrible places out there that benefit from our generosity.

I do not think Palestine is executing Australians. Even then I doubt Australia is investing money in Palestine.

 

[Indofred]

I see no tragedy.

I do - all the dealers that get through.
These people destroy, in actual deaths, terribly ruined lives, and destroyed families.
There is no excuse for their greed, and it's tough if they get arrested, tried and hanged.
This is what we're really talking about.

 

[Indofred]

It is barbaric and that is what makes it tragic.

It sure is, and that's why drug dealers must be removed from the planet.

 

[Vikrant]

It is barbaric and that is what makes it tragic.

It sure is, and that's why drug dealers must be removed from the planet.

It is more important to remove human rights violation.

 

[Indofred]

But Australia should make it clear this won't be tolerated.

Tell you what, we'll dump all the dealers and drugs in Australia.
Perhaps you'd like all the drug related problem most of SE avoids by taking out the trash.
As a note, and as I made clear in another thread, if I saw a drug dealer at an airport, I'd make sure the customs arrested them, even though I knew they were likely to die for their crimes.
I see it as a choice - either the murderer or his victims will die, so I vote for the criminal's death.

 

[Indofred]

It is barbaric and that is what makes it tragic.

It sure is, and that's why drug dealers must be removed from the planet.

It is more important to remove human rights violation.

That's what's happening.
The rights of potential new victims to a reasonable life is being protected by killing the crap.