Sweden introducing lockdowns as virus spreads

[JackOfNoTrades]

Except that the early lockdown numbers don't lend any validity to your theory that lockdowns don't work.. Sure people are social animals. But most of them also don't have the common sense of your average housefly. And the bottom line here is if people would have just done the right thing from the get go (that would be in the end of March/beginning of April timeframe), a lot of what we are going through right now...wouldn't be happening. We could be back at some sort of normal.

Actually, all of the countries in Eurotrash zone still have Coronavirus, even though they hate President Trump.

So, no, Trump isn't "responsible" at all

Don't care. We're not discussing Trump here. Sweden and tangentially the whole "lockdown" strategy.
And we're not Sweden. Their population (10.5 million) vs us (330 million), their population density (spread out except for a few cities),
and their population's willingness to do the right thing. So far, it's yielded mixed results. Stricter lockdowns may be on the way
for them. Unfortunately, everything I'm trying to link to...has a paywall.

If Sleepy Joe wins the election in a couple of weeks, America is going to be locked down tight for a minimum of 3 months beginning in January, he's made that crystal clear. Regardless of whether its a good idea.

Certainly tremendous news if you are in the Mask business or own a speakeasy.

So again, I repeat. If people in this country could just see the bigger picture and understand that any measure of lockdown and the resulting economic damage..come from our inability to just basically put aside our
need for individual liberty and freedom long enough to do what's right to tamp the virus down, not only for our fellow citizens who might be more vulnerable than us, but to be able to limit the economic damage so
we can carry on with something approaching normal. Alas, that's not going to happen...no matter who is President.

 

[Polishprince]

Except that the early lockdown numbers don't lend any validity to your theory that lockdowns don't work.. Sure people are social animals. But most of them also don't have the common sense of your average housefly. And the bottom line here is if people would have just done the right thing from the get go (that would be in the end of March/beginning of April timeframe), a lot of what we are going through right now...wouldn't be happening. We could be back at some sort of normal.

Actually, all of the countries in Eurotrash zone still have Coronavirus, even though they hate President Trump.

So, no, Trump isn't "responsible" at all

Don't care. We're not discussing Trump here. Sweden and tangentially the whole "lockdown" strategy.
And we're not Sweden. Their population (10.5 million) vs us (330 million), their population density (spread out except for a few cities),
and their population's willingness to do the right thing. So far, it's yielded mixed results. Stricter lockdowns may be on the way
for them. Unfortunately, everything I'm trying to link to...has a paywall.

If Sleepy Joe wins the election in a couple of weeks, America is going to be locked down tight for a minimum of 3 months beginning in January, he's made that crystal clear. Regardless of whether its a good idea.

Certainly tremendous news if you are in the Mask business or own a speakeasy.

So again, I repeat. If people in this country could just see the bigger picture and understand that any measure of lockdown and the resulting economic damage..come from our inability to just basically put aside our
need for individual liberty and freedom long enough to do what's right to tamp the virus down, not only for our fellow citizens who might be more vulnerable than us, but to be able to limit the economic damage so
we can carry on with something approaching normal. Alas, that's not going to happen...no matter who is President.

So in your view, it really doesn't matter who wins the election as far as the Corona Virus issue is concerned?

As long as there are a significant number of Americans not interested in sacrificing our Freedoms, the pandemic will continue?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Except that the early lockdown numbers don't lend any validity to your theory that lockdowns don't work.. Sure people are social animals. But most of them also don't have the common sense of your average housefly. And the bottom line here is if people would have just done the right thing from the get go (that would be in the end of March/beginning of April timeframe), a lot of what we are going through right now...wouldn't be happening. We could be back at some sort of normal.

Actually, all of the countries in Eurotrash zone still have Coronavirus, even though they hate President Trump.

So, no, Trump isn't "responsible" at all

Don't care. We're not discussing Trump here. Sweden and tangentially the whole "lockdown" strategy.
And we're not Sweden. Their population (10.5 million) vs us (330 million), their population density (spread out except for a few cities),
and their population's willingness to do the right thing. So far, it's yielded mixed results. Stricter lockdowns may be on the way
for them. Unfortunately, everything I'm trying to link to...has a paywall.

If Sleepy Joe wins the election in a couple of weeks, America is going to be locked down tight for a minimum of 3 months beginning in January, he's made that crystal clear. Regardless of whether its a good idea.

Certainly tremendous news if you are in the Mask business or own a speakeasy.

So again, I repeat. If people in this country could just see the bigger picture and understand that any measure of lockdown and the resulting economic damage..come from our inability to just basically put aside our
need for individual liberty and freedom long enough to do what's right to tamp the virus down, not only for our fellow citizens who might be more vulnerable than us, but to be able to limit the economic damage so
we can carry on with something approaching normal. Alas, that's not going to happen...no matter who is President.

So in your view, it really doesn't matter who wins the election as far as the Corona Virus issue is concerned?

As long as there are a significant number of Americans not interested in sacrificing our Freedoms, the pandemic will continue?

Yes...since Memorial Day. But that in no way excuses the total lack of response to the virus from the Trump administration.
Sorry. I knew where you were going with this. Maybe if he'd taken it seriously back in January (because, you know, people actually LISTEN to what the President has to say),
more people would have taken it seriously and we might not be in the position we are in.

No matter how you slice and dice it, you can't absolve Trump of any of the blame for what is unfolding.
Is he President of the United States or not? The mentality of the nation...starts with him.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Except that the early lockdown numbers don't lend any validity to your theory that lockdowns don't work.. Sure people are social animals. But most of them also don't have the common sense of your average housefly. And the bottom line here is if people would have just done the right thing from the get go (that would be in the end of March/beginning of April timeframe), a lot of what we are going through right now...wouldn't be happening. We could be back at some sort of normal.

Actually, all of the countries in Eurotrash zone still have Coronavirus, even though they hate President Trump.

So, no, Trump isn't "responsible" at all

Don't care. We're not discussing Trump here. Sweden and tangentially the whole "lockdown" strategy.
And we're not Sweden. Their population (10.5 million) vs us (330 million), their population density (spread out except for a few cities),
and their population's willingness to do the right thing. So far, it's yielded mixed results. Stricter lockdowns may be on the way
for them. Unfortunately, everything I'm trying to link to...has a paywall.

If Sleepy Joe wins the election in a couple of weeks, America is going to be locked down tight for a minimum of 3 months beginning in January, he's made that crystal clear. Regardless of whether its a good idea.

Certainly tremendous news if you are in the Mask business or own a speakeasy.

So again, I repeat. If people in this country could just see the bigger picture and understand that any measure of lockdown and the resulting economic damage..come from our inability to just basically put aside our
need for individual liberty and freedom long enough to do what's right to tamp the virus down, not only for our fellow citizens who might be more vulnerable than us, but to be able to limit the economic damage so
we can carry on with something approaching normal. Alas, that's not going to happen...no matter who is President.

So in your view, it really doesn't matter who wins the election as far as the Corona Virus issue is concerned?

As long as there are a significant number of Americans not interested in sacrificing our Freedoms, the pandemic will continue?

Yes...since Memorial Day. But that in no way excuses the total lack of response to the virus from the Trump administration.
Sorry. I knew where you were going with this. Maybe if he'd taken it seriously back in January (because, you know, people actually LISTEN to what the President has to say),
more people would have taken it seriously and we might not be in the position we are in.

No matter how you slice and dice it, you can't absolve Trump of any of the blame for what is unfolding.
Is he President of the United States or not? The mentality of the nation...starts with him.

You dont have to right to destroy others because you are afraid.

 

[Polishprince]

Except that the early lockdown numbers don't lend any validity to your theory that lockdowns don't work.. Sure people are social animals. But most of them also don't have the common sense of your average housefly. And the bottom line here is if people would have just done the right thing from the get go (that would be in the end of March/beginning of April timeframe), a lot of what we are going through right now...wouldn't be happening. We could be back at some sort of normal.

Actually, all of the countries in Eurotrash zone still have Coronavirus, even though they hate President Trump.

So, no, Trump isn't "responsible" at all

Don't care. We're not discussing Trump here. Sweden and tangentially the whole "lockdown" strategy.
And we're not Sweden. Their population (10.5 million) vs us (330 million), their population density (spread out except for a few cities),
and their population's willingness to do the right thing. So far, it's yielded mixed results. Stricter lockdowns may be on the way
for them. Unfortunately, everything I'm trying to link to...has a paywall.

If Sleepy Joe wins the election in a couple of weeks, America is going to be locked down tight for a minimum of 3 months beginning in January, he's made that crystal clear. Regardless of whether its a good idea.

Certainly tremendous news if you are in the Mask business or own a speakeasy.

So again, I repeat. If people in this country could just see the bigger picture and understand that any measure of lockdown and the resulting economic damage..come from our inability to just basically put aside our
need for individual liberty and freedom long enough to do what's right to tamp the virus down, not only for our fellow citizens who might be more vulnerable than us, but to be able to limit the economic damage so
we can carry on with something approaching normal. Alas, that's not going to happen...no matter who is President.

So in your view, it really doesn't matter who wins the election as far as the Corona Virus issue is concerned?

As long as there are a significant number of Americans not interested in sacrificing our Freedoms, the pandemic will continue?

Yes...since Memorial Day. But that in no way excuses the total lack of response to the virus from the Trump administration.
Sorry. I knew where you were going with this. Maybe if he'd taken it seriously back in January (because, you know, people actually LISTEN to what the President has to say),
more people would have taken it seriously and we might not be in the position we are in.

No matter how you slice and dice it, you can't absolve Trump of any of the blame for what is unfolding.
Is he President of the United States or not? The mentality of the nation...starts with him.

So your opposition to our President on this has nothing to do with what you expect will happen in the future- you expect both Trump and Biden to fail.

It just has to do with assigning blame for the coronavirus pandemic.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Sweden 'to start lockdowns' as it has world's 12th highest Covid-19 death rate

Health authorities in Sweden are poised to start introducing local lockdowns to stop a surge in new cases, it is claimed - although these will not be legally enforceable

www.mirror.co.uk

Well no shocks here I guess. Death rates 10 times more than neighbouring countries and nearly as bad as trumps US.

The USA is 10th.

Sweden is 15th (don't know where they got their numbers).

Great Britain is 12th.

Hows that working out for you ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Sweden 'to start lockdowns' as it has world's 12th highest Covid-19 death rate

Health authorities in Sweden are poised to start introducing local lockdowns to stop a surge in new cases, it is claimed - although these will not be legally enforceable

www.mirror.co.uk

Well no shocks here I guess. Death rates 10 times more than neighbouring countries and nearly as bad as trumps US.

And this is all part of the great deception.

Sweden let the virus get to old folks homes. That is well documented. a lot of people died early on. The death rate rocketed. At one point they were at number 8.

Now they are at 15 with the U.S. and Britain passing them up. Here are there deaths:

For 2.5 months it has been almost nothing with many days at zero.

Well, Tommy.....it's unfortunate you cheer for peoples deaths.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Except that the early lockdown numbers don't lend any validity to your theory that lockdowns don't work.. Sure people are social animals. But most of them also don't have the common sense of your average housefly. And the bottom line here is if people would have just done the right thing from the get go (that would be in the end of March/beginning of April timeframe), a lot of what we are going through right now...wouldn't be happening. We could be back at some sort of normal.

Actually, all of the countries in Eurotrash zone still have Coronavirus, even though they hate President Trump.

So, no, Trump isn't "responsible" at all

Don't care. We're not discussing Trump here. Sweden and tangentially the whole "lockdown" strategy.
And we're not Sweden. Their population (10.5 million) vs us (330 million), their population density (spread out except for a few cities),
and their population's willingness to do the right thing. So far, it's yielded mixed results. Stricter lockdowns may be on the way
for them. Unfortunately, everything I'm trying to link to...has a paywall.

Just go to world-o-meters. It will tell you what you need to know.

Sweden's death rate has ben flat at 1or2 for 3.5 months.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Looks like Tommy Tainant isn't going to hang around and face down the crowd with the facts.

 

[Turtlesoup]

No big surprise. Only a matter of time before they'll start locking things down again here in the US.
We just don't "get it" as a people. We're more content to argue over liberties and freedoms.
Lots of people in this country just can't see the bigger picture.

You are certainly proof of that ------------the lockdowns are causing more damage than the virus and people are social animals------they aren't going to be able to get another lock down here despite the virus like the flu is going to be worse over the winter. One group wanting to take out Michigans governor and other group wanting to take out a mayor over the lockdowns should serve as a warning that people are over the lockdowns.

The virus has spread all over---you can't stop it at this point by locking down.

Except that the early lockdown numbers don't lend any validity to your theory that lockdowns don't work.. Sure people are social animals. But most of them also don't have the common sense of your average housefly. And the bottom line here is if people would have just done the right thing from the get go (that would be in the end of March/beginning of April timeframe), a lot of what we are going through right now...wouldn't be happening. We could be back at some sort of normal.

Modelers Suggest Pandemic Lockdowns Saved Millions From Dying Of COVID-19

Researchers cast a backward look to see what might have happened during the first months of the coronavirus crisis without any preventive measures.

www.npr.org

Finally, here was a prescient warning..from the beginning of May, shortly before the "everybody back in the pool" mentality of Memorial Day. We..just..don't..learn.

A snapshot of coronavirus in the U.S.: A high plateau of new cases portends more spread

For all the talk about a second wave of coronavirus cases this fall, one consideration is often lost: the country is still in the throes of the first wave of this pandemic.

www.statnews.com

Oh yeah, and the whole mask debate? Here's a recent study by the CDC in Arizona.

Trends in COVID-19 Incidence After Implementation ...

This report describes trends in the number of COVID-19 cases in Arizona after sustained implementation and enforcement of statewide and locally enhanced mitigation measures.

www.cdc.gov

No it would have spread regardless of all inclusive enforced lock down last year----this disease has spread all over the world..............you can not hide from it. It is easily transmitted and it doesn't kill off enough of the infected to keep it from spreading. People are NOT repeat are NOT going to completely lock down---this is a fantasy that will never come true. Even in China where they locked everyone down and kill and inprison as a punishment--the disease keeps coming back and spreading.

The lock down simply at best delays the spread-----but it also isolates people, prevents proper medical care leading to the death of people itself, causes mental problems, and kills the economy leading to stress causing suicides and domestic/child abuse and it also prevents production in the economy leading to shortages of basics.

Oh one other tidbit--the DELAY from being exposed under the sun during the spring and summer when the virus would have been weakened by the suns rays and heat as it spread making it more likely to be survived thusly building immunity-----------------------may, just may costs us tens of thousands or hundred of thousands more lives-------we have never been able to slow herd immunity build up over the warmer months before---so now the virus which will be at its full power will spread during the winter with the sun missing with far fewer having any immunity. It is going to be an interesting experiment to see if the death rate again rises because of this stupidity over this fall/winter and suspect why we are seeing reports from all over the world that it is again causing outbreaks. I suspect the death rate will rise drastically with this virus as well (more than what we will see with the flue)---before going back down in the spring/summer of next year. Interesting experiment with people's lives--thanks dems.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Tommy Tainant

Tommy Pissant,

Who is dying. See post #27.

You lying asshole.

 

[percysunshine]

Sweden wins. Lockdowns do not reduce covid death rates.