Supreme Court Rules that States can restrict Trans treatments for minors

[Rawley]

No minor boy ever died because he was refused the opportunity to have his nads chopped off when he said he "identified" as a chick.

They are going to tell you that he committed suicide.

 

[toobfreak]

This was more about how the courts need to look at the issue than on any review on the actual efficacy of said treatments.
Basically the court is saying it's up to the people to figure this out.

Well forgive me, I want to say this is good, but how is this even a state issue? Until a child is 18, that kid is the responsibility of his parents (and some might even argue older), and this is a matter for the parents to decide, not the child nor the state.

 

[hadit]

That's not going to happen nor should it. States with sane leadership will let doctors and patients determine what's best.

Right wing politicians making medical decisions results in people dying. See women's reproductive health care.

It is within living memory that the best medical treatment for certain mental disorders was to shove a metal rod into the patient's brain and hope they didn't die on the table. It is my prediction that, within a hundred years, mental health professionals will look back at the things we are doing to minor children and shudder with revulsion.

Oh, and of course, abortion. Always abortion.

 

[martybegan]

Well forgive me, I want to say this is good, but how is this even a state issue? Until a child is 18, that kid is the responsibility of his parents (and some might even argue older), and this is a matter for the parents to decide, not the child nor the state.

So parents should be able to mutilate their children?

 

[Polishprince]

Well forgive me, I want to say this is good, but how is this even a state issue? Until a child is 18, that kid is the responsibility of his parents (and some might even argue older), and this is a matter for the parents to decide, not the child nor the state.

Its about protecting children. We don't allow parents to cut off their children's fingers or tongue, why should we allow them to cut off their penises.

 

[Foxfyre]

The worst thing about all of this is, its actually an issue.

That's for sure. When I was growing up, we had never heard of 'transgender'. I'm fairly certain it wasn't something my kids knew about or at least thought about.

That there is now an epidemic of kids thinking they should be a different gender speaks to the grooming of children by the LGBTQX+++ activists and the leftist loonies that permit it.

It is insane to think that children are not considered competent to use and are protected from being able to buy alcohol, tobacco products, recreational marijuana and such or see/use sexually or violence explicit movies, video games and such, but should be able to decide their gender when they're still in grade school?

What kind of insanity is that?

 

[hadit]

That's for sure. When I was growing up, we had never heard of 'transgender'. I'm fairly certain it wasn't something my kids knew about or at least thought about.

That there is now an epidemic of kids thinking they should be a different gender speaks to the grooming of children by the LGBTQX+++ activists and the leftist loonies that permit it.

It is insane to think that children are not considered competent to use and are protected from being able to buy alcohol, tobacco products, recreational marijuana and such or see/use sexually or violence explicit movies, video games and such, but should be able to decide their gender when they're still in grade school?

What kind of insanity is that?

Teenagers are notorious for changing their minds and doing strange things to fit into their peer groups. Let them grow up so they can make a mature, informed decision for themselves.

 

[toobfreak]

So parents should be able to mutilate their children?

Those kids are /their/ children. If they don't have a say in the outcomes of their own offspring, then who does? So in cases like this, I look to what Mother Nature says and does in the Animal Kingdom. No one can guarantee an outcome, but I trust a parent's judgement first over any bureaucrat.

 

[Foxfyre]

The long, slow, but inevitable climb back to common sense.

Let’s hope it can last longer than the current administration

This is the reason the common sense Americans/patriots/MAGAs (all one and the same) should not get too aggressive or ahead of the curve as the midterms come up next year. We need to increase common sense in Congress, and it would be tragic to let the leftist loons take it back. And we need to elect JD Vance or somebody like him in 2028 anad 2032 and hopefully 2036 and 2040. It will take that long to defang and hopefully completely eliminate the deep state that would take us all down given power to do so.

The SCOTUS ruling today is a good start to return us to sanity. But we need a lot more of that kind of sanity to restore the America the Founders intended.

 

[struth]

Big blow to the demafacist eugenics program

 

[struth]

That's not going to happen nor should it. States with sane leadership will let doctors and patients determine what's best.

Right wing politicians making medical decisions results in people dying. See women's reproductive health care.

In the United States minors can't consent to medical procedures.

 

[martybegan]

Those kids are /their/ children. If they don't have a say in the outcomes of their own offspring, then who does? So in cases like this, I look to what Mother Nature says and does in the Animal Kingdom. No one can guarantee an outcome, but I trust a parent's judgement first over any bureaucrat.

They have a say, but with all things in life, lines have to be drawn at some point.

Absolutism is the refuge of the morally and intellectually indifferent.

 

[toobfreak]

Its about protecting children. We don't allow parents to cut off their children's fingers or tongue, why should we allow them to cut off their penises.

Well, that's just it--- I thought the issue was that too many others (teachers, schools, etc.) want these kids trans-genderized, and it already was the parents themselves fighting an uphill battle.

But let's say that a kid wants to trans-genderize and the parents are OK with it or it's the parent's idea and the kids are jiggy, what then can you really say?

You might not agree with their family decision on how they run their lives, but does anyone really have the right to step in and block them, tell someone else how to live in such a personal way?

 

[martybegan]

Well, that's just it--- I thought the issue was that too many others (teachers, schools, etc.) want these kids trans-genderized, and it already was the parents themselves fighting an uphill battle.

But let's say that a kid wants to trans-genderize and the parents are OK with it or it's the parent's idea and the kids are jiggy, what then can you really say?

You might not agree with their family decision on how they run their lives, but does anyone really have the right to step in and block them, tell someone else how to live in such a personal way?

The issue is many of these "parents think it's OK" cases look like some serious Munchausen syndrome.

One celebrity has 3 kids, all "trans". That's reeks of the situation above.

 

[Foxfyre]

Teenagers are notorious for changing their minds and doing strange things to fit into their peer groups. Let them grow up so they can make a mature, informed decision for themselves.

Yes. No segment of society is so susceptible to peer pressure and the power of suggestion as are children from grade schoolers through high school and actually to a large extent into college. That makes 21 the logical age to allow life changing decisions about things like transgender drugs and surgeries. But at least banning it until age 18 is a good start on sanity.

At some point all normal people break from that kind of influence, at least as a powerful force, and while they may play politics in their decisions and conform to cultural norms, they are less likely to make personal decisions based on group think.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people in America who are so far left there is no way to think of them as 'normal' and that is what made the SCOTUS ruling necessary.

 

[toobfreak]

They have a say, but with all things in life, lines have to be drawn at some point.

I don't know about that all things in life thing, but who gets to decide where to draw that line? Many people are deeply offended at an atheistic point of view, but many people are deeply offended at a religious point of view. I generally give parents a pretty wide latitude in raising their children, because in the end, they are /their/ children. I prefer being an allodial child rather than a ward of the state.

Absolutism is the refuge of the morally and intellectually indifferent.

I can't even guess what that means so some day you will have to explain it to me.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

That's not going to happen nor should it. States with sane leadership will let doctors and patients determine what's best.

Right wing politicians making medical decisions results in people dying. See women's reproductive health care.

Remember when doctors and patients were allowed to determine what was best during COVID?

 

[martybegan]

I don't know about that all things in life thing, but who gets to decide where to draw that line? Many people are deeply offended at an atheistic point of view, but many people are deeply offended at a religious point of view. I generally give parents a pretty wide latitude in raising their children, because in the end, they are /their/ children. I prefer being an allodial child rather than a ward of the state.


I can't even guess what that means so some day you will have to explain it to me.

The whole point of society and government is to figure out where to draw the lines.

 

[whitehall]

What do you know, the Court finally got around to agreeing with the rest of the Country that the unrestricted castration of children isn't a good idea.

 

[toobfreak]

The whole point of society and government is to figure out where to draw the lines.

But I thought that line was drawn a long time ago: Until a kid reaches 18, they are a ward of their parents. If the parents agree to a gender change and it is medically viable, just because I might not agree with the decision does not give me the right to force my will over theirs.

The only way I might intervene is if the kid's age were a factor in affecting the outcome, there was a record of psychological considerations, or there was reason to doubt the doctor or the procedure itself.