Supreme Court fails to correct Fourth Circuit's imposition of Islam

[Ringtone]

The "biblical worldview" thing is a notion of fundamentalist Christians. It is sectarian.

The issue is individual liberty, the perspective of the individual, you mindless conformist, you statist bootlick. What don't you understand about the inalienable rights of each and every individual?

Lysistrata summarized: Collectivist think. Group think. Mob think. Leftist think. Statist think.

Who or what beat the liberty out of you? Was it your mommy? The state schools? Popular culture?

 

[Lysistrata]

The "biblical worldview" thing is a notion of fundamentalist Christians. It is sectarian.

The issue is individual liberty, the perspective of the individual, you mindless conformist, you statist bootlick. What don't you understand about the inalienable rights of each and every individual?

Lysistrata summarized: Collectivist think. Group think. Mob think. Leftist think. Statist think.

Who or what beat the liberty out of you? Was it your mommy? The state schools? Popular culture?

So you are afraid of people who think for themselves? Sorry, sicko. I think that you are trying to turn Americans of all faiths and no faith into cookie-cutter conformists led by the likes of frankie graham, jeffress, timmy dolan. You sound like you follow these monkeys.

 

[Ringtone]

So you are afraid of people who think for themselves? Sorry, sicko. I think that you are trying to turn Americans of all faiths and no faith into cookie-cutter conformists led by the likes of frankie graham, jeffress, timmy dolan. You sound like you follow these monkeys.

What in the world are you talking about? Universal school choice entails parents educating their children as they fit—at home or at a school of their choice. You privatize choice within the public funding apparatus. Parents determine the academics of the schools via supply and demand, not the courts and not statist bootlicks like you. Only statist bootlicks like you are about cramming kids into a one-size-fits-all, cookie-cutting machine. I say parents be free to educate their children at Hindu schools or Catholic schools or Protestant schools or Islamic schools or secular schools or atheist schools. . . . That's what natural and constitutional law requires, you imbecile of a statist bootlick of a conformist brainwash.

You're the only one on this thread denigrating the inalienable rights, educratic ideology and aspirations of a given demographic of American citizens, namely, Christians, you socialist piece of excrement, you Nazi thug.

 

[BreezeWood]

So you are afraid of people who think for themselves? Sorry, sicko. I think that you are trying to turn Americans of all faiths and no faith into cookie-cutter conformists led by the likes of frankie graham, jeffress, timmy dolan. You sound like you follow these monkeys.

What in the world are you talking about? You're a total moron. Universal school choice entails parents educating their children as they fit--at home or at a school of their choice. You privatize choice within the public funding apparatus. Parents determine the academics of the schools via supply and demand, not the courts and not statist bootlicks like you. Only statist bootlicks like your are about imposing a one-size-fits-all, cookie-cutting machine.

What in the world are you talking about? You're a total moron. Universal school choice entails parents educating their children as they fit--at home or at a school of their choice. You privatize choice within the public funding apparatus. Parents determine the academics of the schools via supply and demand, not the courts and not statist bootlicks like you. Only statist bootlicks like your are about imposing a one-size-fits-all, cookie-cutting machine.

- within the public funding apparatus.

that is correct - anything less than the state is a cult, you are nothing more than a cultist wanting public funds for only your own benefit, exactly. that's why you have your church, learn to stay there or share with others in a state institution.

 

[karpenter]

The best that I can glean from the internet is that this girl was in a world history class and couldn't fill in the blank on a quiz about what Muslims believe. I seriously doubt that this was any attempt to impose anyone's beliefs on anyone else.

Why Would It Be Wrong To Leave The Shahada
--- Oath Of Conversion And Expression Of Islamic Faith
AND A Denial Of Christ's Divinity AND The Holy Spirit
Off The Exam
Why Is Knowing The Shahada
Essential To Learn For World History

Why Is It Essential On This Exam
To Write Down What Is A Denial Of Their Own Religious Faith
Or Else Receive A Lower Grade

Is That The Real Point ??
Not Affirming Islam
Just A Subversive Tactic To Force
Compromising Their Own Christian Faith
No Matter How Seemingly Small A Way ??

 

[captkaos]

Wrong.

“The Fourth Circuit held that the challenged coursework materials, viewed in the context in which they were presented, did not violate the student's First Amendment rights, because they did not impermissibly endorse any religion and did not compel the student to profess any belief. Accordingly, the court affirmed the district court's grant of summary judgment to defendants.”

Wood v. Arnold, No. 18-1430 (4th Cir. 2019)

The above link also contains the actual ruling by the 4th Circuit, explaining why you’re wrong.

The public education system in the absence of universal school choice is in and of itself unconstitutional.

Where does it say that in the Constitution?

I think he was being serious! He should have stayed in school instead of hoping to get it right ! Mark every answer on the test as C . you have a 25 % chance of being correct. But you are 0% correct on that ignorant post. I'm a little dumber now !

 

[Ringtone]

- within the public funding apparatus.

that is correct - anything less than the state is a cult, you are nothing more than a cultist wanting public funds for only your own benefit, exactly. that's why you have your church, learn to stay there or share with others in a state institution.

Maybe you don't pay taxes, but I do. It's my money.

Do you practice being a fool or does it just come naturally?

Behold: another mindless, brainwashed lemming of the state schools.

 

[Lysistrata]

So you are afraid of people who think for themselves? Sorry, sicko. I think that you are trying to turn Americans of all faiths and no faith into cookie-cutter conformists led by the likes of frankie graham, jeffress, timmy dolan. You sound like you follow these monkeys.

What in the world are you talking about? Universal school choice entails parents educating their children as they fit—at home or at a school of their choice. You privatize choice within the public funding apparatus. Parents determine the academics of the schools via supply and demand, not the courts and not statist bootlicks like you. Only statist bootlicks like you are about cramming kids into a one-size-fits-all, cookie-cutting machine. I say parents be free to educate their children at Hindu schools or Catholic schools or Protestant schools or Islamic schools or secular schools or atheist schools. . . . That's what natural and constitutional law requires, you imbecile of a statist bootlick of a conformist brainwash.

You're the only one on this thread denigrating the inalienable rights, educratic ideology and aspirations of a given demographic of American citizens, namely, Christians, you socialist piece of excrement, you Nazi thug.

You are a moron who has a very limited vocabulary. Try using something other than right-wing hysterical jargon. Please specify which Christian sect you are in. If you want your kids to have an education in your sect, why don't you send them to a sect school?

There is no such thing as "natural and constitutional law" requiring anything to do with education. If you don't like what the public has to offer, you are free to choose alternatives. Are you so ignorant that you do not know that people home-school their kids or send them to religious-operated schools?

BTW: what is so wrong with public schools? What would you like to see in the curriculum in public schools?

 

[JoeB131]

Awesome. So in the month of December when I give my room over to all holiday music my case got even stronger. That includes, of course, Silent Night, which has no overt confession of faith, and has strong cultural background.

And none of you better holler or cry about it either.

Nobody cares what you do to Grovel to Zombie Jesus in your own home.

It's when you try to impose it on the rest of us we have a problem.

 

[JoeB131]

Okay, actually looking at this case from Credible sources.

The lesson in dispute lasted five days in a year-long course when Wood was in 11th grade at La Plata High School in 2014-2015. Wood and her parents objected to two aspects of the unit that touched on politics, geography and culture. One was a slide contrasting “peaceful Islam” with “radical fundamental Islam” that included the statement: “Most Muslim’s [sic] faith is stronger than the average Christian.”

Wood was also required to complete a work sheet on the growth of Islam, the “beliefs and practices,” and the links between Islam, Judaism and Christianity. A fill-in-the-blank section included the statement: “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah,” a portion of an Islamic declaration of faith known as the shahada.

Wow. Actually understanding on a rudimentary level what Muslims believe. We can't have that! We all need to be like Sour Sue and believe any crap we read on Pam Geller's Hate Site.

 

[JoeB131]

Aside from the nonsense of talking about the public education system as a gift, that's why the only correct solution per natural and constitutional law is a system that provides for universal school choice! The Bill of Rights are not electives. They go to inalienable, natural rights that can neither be given nor taken away by the state. They can only be suppressed by the state via the tyranny of the mob or the oligarchy.

This wasn't an issue of the bill of rights. The lesson was on what Muslims believe. Now, if this little Christian Shithead listens crap her pastor tells her, and can't understand the material as presented, that's kind of on her.

Wait until she gets in the REAL WORLD and her employer tells her to do something she doesn't want to do.

 

[SweetSue92]

Awesome. So in the month of December when I give my room over to all holiday music my case got even stronger. That includes, of course, Silent Night, which has no overt confession of faith, and has strong cultural background.

And none of you better holler or cry about it either.

Nobody cares what you do to Grovel to Zombie Jesus in your own home.

It's when you try to impose it on the rest of us we have a problem.

You have no problem with the public schools inculcating kids with Islam, you just don't like Silent Night in schools.

Go cry in your gruel about that Joe, you still lose

 

[JoeB131]

You have no problem with the public schools inculcating kids with Islam, you just don't like Silent Night in schools.

Go cry in your gruel about that Joe, you still lose

How are they doing that? The course as described, spent more time on Christianity than it did on Islam.

the problem with our policy over there is that we don't understand that part of the world. That's why we are in Year 18 of a War on an Emotional State.

Really, we've been at war in that part of the world since the 1980's.. . and we still don't get them.

 

[Lysistrata]

Awesome. So in the month of December when I give my room over to all holiday music my case got even stronger. That includes, of course, Silent Night, which has no overt confession of faith, and has strong cultural background.

And none of you better holler or cry about it either.

Nobody cares what you do to Grovel to Zombie Jesus in your own home.

It's when you try to impose it on the rest of us we have a problem.

You have no problem with the public schools inculcating kids with Islam, you just don't like Silent Night in schools.

Go cry in your gruel about that Joe, you still lose

Unbelievable! You purport to be a teacher, but you cannot distinguish between the study of what various people across the world believe, to increase the student's knowledge of world events, and a performance of a song about the events of a particular religion.

 

[SweetSue92]

Awesome. So in the month of December when I give my room over to all holiday music my case got even stronger. That includes, of course, Silent Night, which has no overt confession of faith, and has strong cultural background.

And none of you better holler or cry about it either.

Nobody cares what you do to Grovel to Zombie Jesus in your own home.

It's when you try to impose it on the rest of us we have a problem.

You have no problem with the public schools inculcating kids with Islam, you just don't like Silent Night in schools.

Go cry in your gruel about that Joe, you still lose

Unbelievable! You purport to be a teacher, but you cannot distinguish between the study of what various people across the world believe, to increase the student's knowledge of world events, and a performance of a song about the events of a particular religion.

I do not "purport" to be a teacher; I am one. I do not lie. And yes indeed, you cannot cut RELIGION out of music, not even for school performances. How would you possibly do this entirely and still present students with culturally authentic music? Have you ever THOUGHT about this? Try to imagine presenting kids with Native American music that's not "religious" in nature; it's very difficult.

People sing about what is IMPORTANT to them and that includes religion. And yes, the courts have already ruled that this is NOT to be cut out of music curriculum. USE YOUR HEAD

 

[BreezeWood]

- within the public funding apparatus.

that is correct - anything less than the state is a cult, you are nothing more than a cultist wanting public funds for only your own benefit, exactly. that's why you have your church, learn to stay there or share with others in a state institution.

Maybe you don't pay taxes, but I do. It's my money.

Do you practice being a fool or does it just come naturally?

Behold: another mindless, brainwashed lemming of the state schools.

.

Maybe you don't pay taxes, but I do. It's my money.

Do you practice being a fool or does it just come naturally?

Behold: another mindless, brainwashed lemming of the state schools.

like trump i would not care to share my returns in public, i'm sure for the same reason ... do you dictate to the pentagon your preference for what bullets they make -

your posts are to the extreme self-centered, like it or not you live in a state where what you expect is not shared equally that is why there are govn'ts and elections to accommodate the melding of society not the individual. scream all you want in your church that's why it is there.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Supreme Court rejects case of Christian teen forced to write Islamic conversion prayer
10/25/19
Lauren Green

Excerpt:

One of the religious liberty cases the Supreme Court Justices won't be hearing this term is the issue of Maryland High School student Caleigh Wood, who refused to take part in a school assignment to write the Islamic conversion prayer that states “… there is no god but Allah,” because she believed it directly contradicted her Christian faith.

[. . .]

Thompson said that on top of getting an F in the class, Wood was also made to watch a pro-Islam “PowerPoint presentation that denigrated her religion and basically said that Christians are not as faithful as Muslims. So we strongly believed that this was a violation.”

Supreme Court rejects case of Christian teen forced to write Islamic conversion prayer
​

Another reason why universal school choice is the only solution consistent with natural and constitutional law.

Or keep ALL religion out of schools

Was this young person asked to convert while in school? If she is a Christian she should know all about Islam they sprang from the same fountain that is Judaism. Jews Muslims and Christians all disavow each other while worshipping the same God. I'm really impressed …. Not

Really?


Perhaps the most significant difference between the faith of our Founders, and Islam can be limned here: Leviticus 19:34
34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.


…versus…..

Renounce and disown non-Muslim relatives: (Q’ran 58:22) You shall not find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day befriending those who oppose Allah and His Messenger even though they be their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred.

Feel only enmity and hatred: (Q’ran 60:4) …between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone"






“New York Mufti says, Muslims cannot integrate: ‘Muslims should hate non-Muslims’ “The general principle… is to love and to hate for the sake of Allah,” New York Mufti says, Muslims cannot integrate: ‘Muslims should hate non-Muslims’


"In short, the claim that “Islam hates us” is demonstrable by the plain words and teachings of the Koran, by the plain words and teachings of past and present Islamic clerics, and by the past and present actions of Muslims around the world. "
Trump's 'Islam Hates Us' Returns - Raymond Ibrahim


Please don't make the mistake of conflating Islam with the Judeo-Christian faith.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Supreme Court rejects case of Christian teen forced to write Islamic conversion prayer
10/25/19
Lauren Green

Excerpt:

One of the religious liberty cases the Supreme Court Justices won't be hearing this term is the issue of Maryland High School student Caleigh Wood, who refused to take part in a school assignment to write the Islamic conversion prayer that states “… there is no god but Allah,” because she believed it directly contradicted her Christian faith.

[. . .]

Thompson said that on top of getting an F in the class, Wood was also made to watch a pro-Islam “PowerPoint presentation that denigrated her religion and basically said that Christians are not as faithful as Muslims. So we strongly believed that this was a violation.”

Supreme Court rejects case of Christian teen forced to write Islamic conversion prayer
​

Another reason why universal school choice is the only solution consistent with natural and constitutional law.

School choice is an excellent idea. Public schools should be able to choose their students just like private schools get to.

BS ^^^^^ the best answer is equal treatment of muslim students-----ie--force them to acknowledge the divinity of JESUS CHRIST.....of flunk out

Coulter said something similar, with the same satirical motive....'

'Invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity'

 

[PoliticalChic]

The best that I can glean from the internet is that this girl was in a world history class and couldn't fill in the blank on a quiz about what Muslims believe. I seriously doubt that this was any attempt to impose anyone's beliefs on anyone else. I wish the course curriculum was available, but the Fourth Circuit apparently did review it. There is no information on what other faiths were studied in this class, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, etc.

It is a major mistake, which keeps being repeated over and over again, to confuse "promotion" of a certain idea, person, whatever, with a simple statement that such a thing exists and a person should have a certain level of familiarity with it as part of a well-rounded education.

It is ironic that some people complain about the "promotion" of a particular religion and then turn around and complain that their own particular religion is not being promoted.

The public-school system is being provided by the taxpayers as a gift to all children and parents, regardless of background or faith. It is ridiculous to expect that taxpayers then foot the bill as well for all of those who do not like what is being offered to them for free and demand their own alternatives.

"The public-school system is being provided by the taxpayers as a gift to all children and parents, ..."


How much of a gift is it if American schoolchildren can't compete with other nation's kids when tested???


"In fourth grade, American students outperform most other countries in reading, math and science. Fourth-graders score in the 92nd percentile in science, the 58th percentile in math and the 70th percentile in reading, where they beat 26 of 35 countries, including Germany, France and Italy. But by the eighth grade, American students are only midrange in international comparisons. By the 12th grade Americans fall from the 92nd percentile in science to the 29th percentile. While American fourth-graders are bested only by South Korea and Japan in science, by 12th grade, the only countries the American students can beat are Lithuania, Cyprus and South Africa."
Coulter, "Godless"



BTW....Public school teachers are more likely than others of their income to send their children to private school.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Supreme Court rejects case of Christian teen forced to write Islamic conversion prayer
10/25/19
Lauren Green

Excerpt:

One of the religious liberty cases the Supreme Court Justices won't be hearing this term is the issue of Maryland High School student Caleigh Wood, who refused to take part in a school assignment to write the Islamic conversion prayer that states “… there is no god but Allah,” because she believed it directly contradicted her Christian faith.

[. . .]

Thompson said that on top of getting an F in the class, Wood was also made to watch a pro-Islam “PowerPoint presentation that denigrated her religion and basically said that Christians are not as faithful as Muslims. So we strongly believed that this was a violation.”

Supreme Court rejects case of Christian teen forced to write Islamic conversion prayer
​

Another reason why universal school choice is the only solution consistent with natural and constitutional law.

Wrong.

“The Fourth Circuit held that the challenged coursework materials, viewed in the context in which they were presented, did not violate the student's First Amendment rights, because they did not impermissibly endorse any religion and did not compel the student to profess any belief. Accordingly, the court affirmed the district court's grant of summary judgment to defendants.”

Wood v. Arnold, No. 18-1430 (4th Cir. 2019)

The above link also contains the actual ruling by the 4th Circuit, explaining why you’re wrong.

Awesome. So in the month of December when I give my room over to all holiday music my case got even stronger. That includes, of course, Silent Night, which has no overt confession of faith, and has strong cultural background.

And none of you better holler or cry about it either.

When can you begin producing clones more like yourself????