Also, evidence from Papadopoulos was used to obtain a warrant on Page. The FBI has sufficient cause and concern to spy on someone other than Trump. Leave it to the conservative cult to claim Obama’s FBI spied on Trump with fake evidence.Okay, so no problem then accurately describing the dossier as a steaming pile that should not have been used to get permission to spy on an American. Works for me.
I don't know whether the dossier is pure bullshit or not- none of us do.
But we do know that the Steele dossier certainly wasn't the only thing that was used to get permission to spy on an American- in addition- just what we do know- because Nunes was playing fast and furious with the facts:
Is there more? Will Trump release the Democrats 'memo'?
- Page had been previously contacted by the Russian who wanted to recruit him as a spy.
- The FBI had heard about the Russians offering Clinton evidence to the Trump campaign by Papadopolus months before.
We will have to see. But Nunes memo itself- was a pure propaganda hit piece- and it certainly is a steaming pile of BS.
They used unverified information to get that FISA warrant, that much is unquestioned. We know the FISA court declined an earlier request, so Obama's FBI/DOJ added the Steele dossier and tried again. What they actually disclosed to the FISA court is as yet unknown, but they did NOT have sufficient cause and concern enough to convince the FISA court to allow them to spy on anybody without using unvetted information and that is the truth. To this very day the FBI/DOJ still cannot verify the information in that dossier, so all you Lefties out there should consider whether or not the FBI/DOJ should put any American citizen under surveillance if the provenance and accuracy of their supporting evidence is unverified.
That is a fascinating fantasy you have come up with.
Also fascinating is that the GOP doesn't care about any other FISA cases- or whether any American other than Carter Page might have had 'unverified' information as the basis for the FISA request.
What we do know is that Nunes lied in his memo about the information about the Steele memo not being provided.
Why do you assume the GOP doesn't care about any other FISA cases, you have no reason to support that claim. In fact I am quite sure the Repubs do indeed have a great deal on interest and concern for FISA requests being granted without enough verified information. A helluva lot more than the democrats did under the Obama Admin or at the present time.
As for the Nunes memo, it states:
1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.
a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.
b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of—and paid by—the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.
Actually, we do not yet know for sure whether these statements are true or not. So as yet there is no proof whatsoever of any lie in that memo in this regard.
Sure we do have proof as to lies in the memo.
This was a lie by omission:
1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign
Nunes knew that Steele had originally been funded by a Conservative publication- and deliberately left that out- citing only the DNC and the Clinton campaign.
And this was a flat out lie- which Nunes has admitted to:
“Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding [British agent Christopher] Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior and FBI officials,”
But we found out:
Nunes: Fine, the FBI Didn’t Lie, But Its Font Was Too Small
the application to wiretap Page did disclose that one of the sources of intelligence to generate suspicion that Page might be acting illegally came from a political source. It was mentioned in a footnote on the FISA application
The Nunes memo was a political hit piece by a man who was part of the Trump campaign and who has shown he has allegiance to Trump- not the American people.