Suicide Bomb Teams Sent to U.S.

[maineman]

here is my question... it has not one word of blame for the US and the military.

just try to answer it:

Do you think that AQ could get away with holding a graduation ceremony for 300 suicide bombers and invite the local media to cover it if that graduation ceremony was held in Iraq?
and if not, why not?

there is NOTHING in that question that blames the US or the military for anything. it doesn't even MENTION either. it is a simple yes or no question. just answer it, and explain your answer.

 

[red states rule]

there is NOTHING in that question that blames the US or the military for anything. it doesn't even MENTION either. it is a simple yes or no question. just answer it, and explain your answer.

One reporter hardly is the "local media"

I know, it is another Karl Rove production!

 

[maineman]

One reporter hardly is the "local media"

I know, it is another Karl Rove production!

so you do think that Al Qaeda would be able to hold a graduation ceremony in Iraq for 300 suicide bombers and invite the media? really?

My quesiton has nothing to do about rove, nothing to do about the republican party, nothing to do with Bush, nothing to do with the military. Can you just answer it?

 

[red states rule]

so you do think that Al Qaeda would be able to hold a graduation ceremony in Iraq for 300 suicide bombers and invite the media? really?

My quesiton has nothing to do about rove, nothing to do about the republican party, nothing to do with Bush, nothing to do with the military. Can you just answer it?

so now ONE reporter is the media?

 

[maineman]

so now ONE reporter is the media?

of course it is. when President Bush gives an interview to Hannity, do you think that is not a case of him giving an interview to the media? what the fuck do you think a reporter IS, if not the media?

now quit spinning and just answer the fucking question.

 

[red states rule]

of course it is. when President Bush gives an interview to Hannity, do you think that is not a case of him giving an interview to the media? what the fuck do you think a reporter IS, if not the media?

now quit spinning and just answer the fucking question.

My you are one touchy little prick tonight. ONE reporter is not the local media

 

[maineman]

My you are one touchy little prick tonight. ONE reporter is not the local media

it may not be ALL of the local media, but it certainly is the local media. now answer the question, pussy.

 

[red states rule]

it may not be ALL of the local media, but it certainly is the local media. now answer the question, pussy.

One reporter - just ONE reporter, and MM calls that the local media

You could do PR for CNN and MSNBC.

 

[maineman]

quit avoiding the question

 

[red states rule]

quit avoiding the question

Your question makes no sense - like most of your slanted questions

 

[maineman]

Your question makes no sense - like most of your slanted questions

is english your second language?

of course it makes sense:

Do you think that AQ could get away with holding a graduation ceremony for 300 suicide bombers and invite the local media to cover it if that graduation ceremony was held in Iraq?
and if not, why not?

I would suggest that they could NOT pull something like that off in Iraq. Would you or would you not agree?

 

[Superlative]

Yea, it is not the terrorists who are to blame for sending out the bombers - it is Amercia fault

Liberal logic on display

Have you asked the terrorists why they are terrorists?

You honestly feel that the US has been humbly watering the lawn for the past 50 years, minding our own business, bothering no one?

Definetly not invading and interfering in the political business of other countries.

You may want to see how much the terrorists hate Sweden.

Hint: They dont.


http://www.fareedzakaria.com/ARTICLES/newsweek/101501_why.html

 

[red states rule]

Have you asked the terrorists why they are terrorists?

You honestly feel that the US has been humbly watering the lawn for the past 50 years, minding our own business, bothering no one?

Definetly not invading and interfering in the political business of other countries.

You may want to see how much the terrorists hate Sweden.

Hint: They dont.


http://www.fareedzakaria.com/ARTICLES/newsweek/101501_why.html

Typical - America is always to blame

http://www.ccmep.org/2002_articles/Iraq/102702_pictures_of_anti.htm

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Have you asked the terrorists why they are terrorists?

You honestly feel that the US has been humbly watering the lawn for the past 50 years, minding our own business, bothering no one?

Definetly not invading and interfering in the political business of other countries.

You may want to see how much the terrorists hate Sweden.

Hint: They dont.


http://www.fareedzakaria.com/ARTICLES/newsweek/101501_why.html

YOU may want to read up on what Muslims are doing in Sweden before you make such a claim. There is at least one city Swedes avoid because of terror by the local muslim "youths".

People like you are why we may lose this war against Islam. You can not fathom the concept that the INTENT of the religion is total world wide control. That everyone will convert or die. In fact there are portions of the Islamic movement that do NOT like terrorists that blow up shit, not because they care about who is dying, but because they had a good thing going immigrating and taking over from within.

 

[maineman]

RGS: have you ever lived in a muslim country?

 

[red states rule]

RGS: have you ever lived in a muslim country?

Probably not - he is STILL breathing

 

[RetiredGySgt]

RGS: have you ever lived in a muslim country?

Have YOU ever lived in a Muslim Country as a civilian with no protection of another Government or the military? As a citizen non Muslim?

Sure there is at least one small sect of Islam that doesn't want to kill all unbelievers, rather wait until they all convert. BUT the main sects only differ on HOW they will take over the world in degrees.

Unless Islam has a reformation the RELIGION is a threat to all non Muslims. I could live quite comfortably with the threat if it were just that they want to convert everyone, peacefully. But that is NOT what they want and it is not how they operate.

The majority , the VAST majority want worldwide control by Islam. Just look what the religion does when it gets a large enough minority in a country. They demand seperate laws and control in "their" areas. In Europe " disaffected" youths in Germany, France, Sweden and even Denmark and Netherlands are code words for Muslim rioters, looters and gangs. It has not happened in America yet, but I believe it is just a matter of time. The taxi drivers at a certain airport are a prime example.

More specifically there is a MAJOR threat from armed murderous terrorists that want violence to take over NOW.

 

[red states rule]

Have YOU ever lived in a Muslim Country as a civilian with no protection of another Government or the military? As a citizen non Muslim?

Sure there is at least one small sect of Islam that doesn't want to kill all unbelievers, rather wait until they all convert. BUT the main sects only differ on HOW they will take over the world in degrees.

Unless Islam has a reformation the RELIGION is a threat to all non Muslims. I could live quite comfortably with the threat if it were just that they want to convert everyone, peacefully. But that is NOT what they want and it is not how they operate.

The majority , the VAST majority want worldwide control by Islam. Just look what the religion does when it gets a large enough minority in a country. They demand seperate laws and control in "their" areas. In Europe " disaffected" youths in Germany, France, Sweden and even Denmark and Netherlands are code words for Muslim rioters, looters and gangs. It has not happened in America yet, but I believe it is just a matter of time. The taxi drivers at a certain airport are a prime example.

More specifically there is a MAJOR threat from armed murderous terrorists that want violence to take over NOW.

and all the US has to do is appease them, and let them know we mean them no harm - and they will leave us alone

At least that is what the left keeps saying

 

[Superlative]

........America stands at the center of this world of globalization. It seems unstoppable. If you close the borders, America comes in through the mail. If you censor the mail, it appears in the fast food and faded jeans. If you ban the products, it seeps in through satellite television. Americans are so comfortable with global capitalism and consumer culture that we cannot fathom just how revolutionary these forces are......

...Disoriented young men, with one foot in the old world and another in the new, now look for a purer, simpler alternative......

.....The Arab world has a problem with its Attas in more than one sense. Globalization has caught it at a bad demographic moment. Arab societies are going through a massive youth bulge, with more than half of most countries' populations under the age of 25. Young men, often better educated than their parents, leave their traditional villages to find work. They arrive in noisy, crowded cities like Cairo, Beirut and Damascus or go to work in the oil states. (Almost 10 percent of Egypt's working population worked in the gulf at one point.) In their new world they see great disparities of wealth and the disorienting effects of modernity; most unsettlingly, they see women, unveiled and in public places, taking buses, eating in cafes and working alongside them.......

............In his seminal work, "The Arab Predicament," Fouad Ajami explains, "The fundamentalist call has resonance because it invited men to participate... [in] contrast to a political culture that reduces citizens to spectators and asks them to leave things to their rulers. At a time when the future is uncertain, it connects them to a tradition that reduces bewilderment." Fundamentalism gave Arabs who were dissatisfied with their lot a powerful language of opposition............

..........I asked Sheri Berman, a scholar at Princeton who studies the rise of fascist parties in Europe, whether she saw any parallels. "Fascists were often very effective at providing social services," she pointed out. "When the state or political parties fail to provide a sense of legitimacy or purpose or basic services, other organizations have often been able to step into the void. In Islamic countries there is a ready-made source of legitimacy in the religion. So it's not surprising that this is the foundation on which these groups have flourished. The particular form--Islamic fundamentalism--is specific to this region, but the basic dynamic is sim- ilar to the rise of Nazism, fascism and even populism in the United States."

.........Intellectuals, disillusioned by the half-baked or overrapid modernization that was throwing their world into turmoil, were writing books against "Westoxification" and calling the modern Iranian man--half Western, half Eastern--rootless. Fashionable intellectuals, often writing from the comfort of London or Paris, would critique American secularism and consumerism and endorse an Islamic alternative. As theories like these spread across the Arab world, they appealed not to the poorest of the poor, for whom Westernization was magical (it meant food and medicine). They appealed to the half-educated hordes entering the cities of the Middle East or seeking education and jobs in the West.

Wahhabism. In the past 30 years Saudi-funded schools have churned out tens of thousands of half-educated, fanatical Muslims who view the modern world and non-Muslims with great suspicion. America in this world view is almost always evil..........

http://www.fareedzakaria.com/ARTICLES/newsweek/101501_why.html

 

[Superlative]

For most Arabs, relations with the United States have been filled with disappointment..........


........ its disillusionment with America begins most importantly with the creation of Israel in 1948. As the Arabs see it, at a time when colonies were winning independence from the West, here was a state largely composed of foreign people being imposed on a region with Western backing. The anger deepened in the wake of America's support for Israel during the wars of 1967 and 1973, and ever since in its relations with the Palestinians. The daily exposure to Israel's iron-fisted rule over the occupied territories has turned this into the great cause of the Arab--and indeed the broader Islamic--world. Elsewhere, they look at American policy in the region as cynically geared to America's oil interests, supporting thugs and tyrants without any hesitation. Finally, the bombing and isolation of Iraq have become fodder for daily attacks on the United States. While many in the Arab world do not like Saddam Hussein, they believe that the United States has chosen a particularly inhuman method of fighting him--a method that is starving an entire nation..........

...........The disproportionate feelings of grievance directed at America have to be placed in the overall context of the sense of humiliation, decline and despair that sweeps the Arab world. After all, the Chinese vigorously disagree with most of America's foreign policy and have fought wars with U.S. proxies. African states feel the same sense of disappointment and unfairness. But they do not work it into a rage against America. Arabs, however, feel that they are under siege from the modern world and that the United States symbolizes this world. Thus every action America takes gets magnified a thousandfold. And even when we do not act, the rumors of our gigantic powers and nefarious deeds still spread. Most Americans would not believe how common the rumor is throughout the Arab world that either the CIA or Israel's Mossad blew up the World Trade Center to justify attacks on Arabs and Muslims. This is the culture from which the suicide bombers have come...........

..America must now devise a strategy to deal with this form of religious terrorism. As is now widely understood, this will be a long war, with many fronts and battles small and large. Our strategy must be divided along three lines: military, political and cultural. On the military front--by which I mean war, covert operations and other forms of coercion--the goal is simple: the total destruction of Al Qaeda. Even if we never understand all the causes of apocalyptic terror, we must do battle against it. Every person who plans and helps in a terrorist operation must understand that he will be tracked and punished. Their operations will be disrupted, their finances drained, their hideouts destroyed. There will be associated costs to pursuing such a strategy, but they will all fade if we succeed. Nothing else matters on the military front........

......But policy changes, large or small, are not at the heart of the struggle we face. The third, vital component to this battle is a cultural strategy. The United States must help Islam enter the modern world. It sounds like an impossible challenge, and it certainly is not one we would have chosen. But America--indeed the whole world--faces a dire security threat that will not be resolved unless we can stop the political, economic and cultural collapse that lies at the roots of Arab rage. During the cold war the West employed myriad ideological strategies to discredit the appeal of communism, make democracy seem attractive and promote open societies. We will have to do something on that scale to win this cultural struggle.........

First, we have to help moderate Arab states, but on the condition that they embrace moderation. For too long regimes like Saudi Arabia's have engaged in a deadly dance with religious extremism. Even Egypt, which has always denounced fundamentalism, allows its controlled media to rant crazily about America and Israel. (That way they don't rant about the dictatorship they live under.) But more broadly, we must persuade Arab moderates to make the case to their people that Islam is compatible with modern society, that it does allow women to work, that it encourages education and that it has welcomed people of other faiths and creeds. Some of this they will do--Sept. 11 has been a wake-up call for many. The Saudi regime denounced and broke its ties to the Taliban (a regime that it used to glorify as representing pure Islam). The Egyptian press is now making the case for military action. The United States and the West should do their own work as well. We can fund moderate Muslim groups and scholars and broadcast fresh thinking across the Arab world, all aimed at breaking the power of the fundamentalists. ........

http://www.fareedzakaria.com/ARTICLES/newsweek/101501_why.html