ST's BP Rantings

[Contumacious]

So Haliburton tells BP it's not safe to proceed, and the government tells BP it's all okay, continue on.

Correction:

So Halliburton ALLEGEDLY tells BP it's not safe to proceed...........

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Halliburton claims to have found internal documents...

On April 1, a job log written by a Halliburton employee, Marvin Volek, warns that BP’s use of cement “was against our best practices.”

An April 18 internal Halliburton memorandum indicates that Halliburton again warned BP about its practices, this time saying that a “severe” gas flow problem would occur if the casings were not centered more carefully.

Around that same time, a BP document shows, company officials chose a type of casing with a greater risk of collapsing.

Yep, they are just trying to avoid Liability.

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[Capitalist]

If Capitan marvelous would only stop campaigning and playing golf.
I could be wrong but obamby has not spoken directly with the BP CEO, Tony Hayward since the rig exploded on April 20

(Washington Examiner)- It’s not mentioned much now, but in the late summer of 2008, a major hurricane, Gustav, was in the Gulf of Mexico and headed toward New Orleans, threatening a replay of the disastrous Katrina experience.
On September 1, 2008, Barack Obama, fresh from his Roman-colonnade speech on the final night of the Democratic convention in Denver, talked to CNN’s Anderson Cooper about Gustav and the Gulf.
The question: As president, could he handle an emergency like that? Obama pointed to the size of his campaign and its multi-million dollar budget as evidence of his executive abilities.
“Our ability to manage large systems and to execute, I think, has been made clear over the last couple of years,” Obama said. That executive ability, he added, “indicates the degree to which we can provide the kinds of support and good service that the American people expect.”
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[gslack]

If Capitan marvelous would only stop campaigning and playing golf.
I could be wrong but obamby has not spoken directly with the BP CEO, Tony Hayward since the rig exploded on April 20

(Washington Examiner)- It’s not mentioned much now, but in the late summer of 2008, a major hurricane, Gustav, was in the Gulf of Mexico and headed toward New Orleans, threatening a replay of the disastrous Katrina experience.
On September 1, 2008, Barack Obama, fresh from his Roman-colonnade speech on the final night of the Democratic convention in Denver, talked to CNN’s Anderson Cooper about Gustav and the Gulf.
The question: As president, could he handle an emergency like that? Obama pointed to the size of his campaign and its multi-million dollar budget as evidence of his executive abilities.
“Our ability to manage large systems and to execute, I think, has been made clear over the last couple of years,” Obama said. That executive ability, he added, “indicates the degree to which we can provide the kinds of support and good service that the American people expect.”
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Yeah, hes trying to distance himself... After all the campaign money they gave him, he better.... LOL

 

[HUGGY]

Bullshit? What part of what I just said isn't true?

You're truly stupid, aren't you?

And once again, CG accuses someone but backs off when challenged

What a coward.

Woah there pilgrim!..CG is a lot of things .some offensive.. But coward she is not.

 

[saveliberty]

Done some pipe fitting on occasion. So BP has the technology to cut a pipe at depth. Anybody got a 20" pipe threader that operates at a mile under water? If we can get one, you should be able to thread the pipe and attach a pipe which in turn should allow you to place a valve and more pipe to tranport the oil onto a ship or shore.

 

[California Girl]

Halburton was working for BP - they knew it would be BP's responsibility if anything went wrong and so did BP.

Bullshit.

The administration does not want to piss off Halliburton's supporters which include VP Cheney.

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Are you serious?

Why would the administration not want to piss off cheney or Halliburton supporters? It's not like these type of people would EVER VOTE for Obama....so what is your logic?

OMG! You actually think this is about votes?

 

[California Girl]

Bullshit? What part of what I just said isn't true?

You're truly stupid, aren't you?

And once again, CG accuses someone but backs off when challenged

What a coward.

Idiot.

 

[txlonghorn]

From the article: The efficacy of the devices is unclear.

Well heck, we wouldn't want to install such a device - that might work - because it might have prevented this - and we wouldn't have wanted that to have happened!

Kinda like carrying 4 spare tires....i get it...good logic

 

[txlonghorn]

They are all to blame and will try to wriggle out of it any way they can

Ignore the obvious...

"New government and BP documents, interviews with experts and testimony by witnesses provide the clearest indication to date that a hodgepodge of oversight agencies granted exceptions to rules, allowed risks to accumulate and made a disaster more likely on the rig, particularly with a mix of different companies operating on the Deepwater whose interests were not always in sync"

Obama's admin. was responsible for oversight and guaranteeing the rules and regulations are followed...

Is BP responsible for BP's operations?

Not anymore...the are acting at the direction of the federal government.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

From the article: The efficacy of the devices is unclear.

Well heck, we wouldn't want to install such a device - that might work - because it might have prevented this - and we wouldn't have wanted that to have happened!

Kinda like carrying 4 spare tires....i get it...good logic

How many coasts get devastated if I get 4 flats?

 

[California Girl]

"BP will pay whatever it takes and will be there as long as it takes to put the Gulf Coast right." According to him, he "guarantees" that BP will put it right.

Why do you believe him. You've already said you don't trust corporations. So why do you trust BP?

He also said that any claims for compensation take 48 hours from initial claim to getting a check.

Of course they will you dumb twat, they want people to take as little a pay out as possible as quick as possible, the last thing BP wants is all these claims to wind up before a jury! Its amazing you're even breathing your brain is so damaged.

I don't 'believe' or 'disbelieve' him. I am stating what he said. Only total fucking idiots think that I 'support' BP.

I have said.... time and again.... BP are currently doing exactly what they said they would do and exactly what they should be doing. So I'm not gonna have a hissy fit and rant about them. When and if that situation changes, I'll criticize them.

Because I'm an intelligent person, I tend to judge on evidence - not little bits of evidence but all the evidence. Since we do not yet have all the evidence, we do not know enough to make sweeping statements like 'it is BPs fault'. I guess I'm just too rational.

 

[gslack]

You're truly stupid, aren't you?

And once again, CG accuses someone but backs off when challenged

What a coward.

Woah there pilgrim!..CG is a lot of things .some offensive.. But coward she is not.

And you are a lot of things as well... And the lions share of them offensive..... Including (but not limited to) A closet Homosexual with strange obsessions, a person who badgers women and calls them names (like spidertubby), and a general douchebag.... LOL, I bet you look just like this pic.....

Or this one

LOL

 

[HUGGY]

Done some pipe fitting on occasion. So BP has the technology to cut a pipe at depth. Anybody got a 20" pipe threader that operates at a mile under water? If we can get one, you should be able to thread the pipe and attach a pipe which in turn should allow you to place a valve and more pipe to tranport the oil onto a ship or shore.

Not a bad idea. Depth wouldn't be an insurmountable issue really. Something that wrapped around the pipe on hinges hydrahlic ... with the ability to lock tight and with the thread cutters( a die ) that would be guided by the part locked onto the pipe. Cooling would be no problem and a stream of the oil could be redirected for lubrication.

Totally doable. First a schematic of what would normally go on the threaded end and..Some engineer could design the parts in a day or two...on to a computer generated machining plan...any good machine shop should have the capacity to make all the parts and on to testing. Maybe a week tops if it was a rush job.

 

[txlonghorn]

Well heck, we wouldn't want to install such a device - that might work - because it might have prevented this - and we wouldn't have wanted that to have happened!

Kinda like carrying 4 spare tires....i get it...good logic

How many coasts get devastated if I get 4 flats?

Are all 4 flats in the same spot?

 

[gslack]

Done some pipe fitting on occasion. So BP has the technology to cut a pipe at depth. Anybody got a 20" pipe threader that operates at a mile under water? If we can get one, you should be able to thread the pipe and attach a pipe which in turn should allow you to place a valve and more pipe to tranport the oil onto a ship or shore.

Not a bad idea. Depth wouldn't be an insurmountable issue really. Something that wrapped around the pipe on hinges hydrahlic ... with the ability to lock tight and with the thread cutters( a die ) that would be guided by the part locked onto the pipe. Cooling would be no problem and a stream of the oil could be redirected for lubrication.

Totally doable. First a schematic of what would normally go on the threaded end and..Some engineer could design the parts in a day or two...on to a computer generated machining plan...any good machine shop should have the capacity to make all the parts and on to testing. Maybe a week tops if it was a rush job.

Wow figured that all out by yourself did ya???? LOL it shows..

So tell me genius whats the temperature at that depth? oh and whats the PSI down there too????

SO a simple thing like concrete can cause a massive explosion at that depth, and attempts to plug the thing with a simple cap were thwarted by crystals formed to to the temperature and pressure, but a comparatively complex and articulated tool like a pipe threader is no big deal.....

OK....

 

[txlonghorn]

Done some pipe fitting on occasion. So BP has the technology to cut a pipe at depth. Anybody got a 20" pipe threader that operates at a mile under water? If we can get one, you should be able to thread the pipe and attach a pipe which in turn should allow you to place a valve and more pipe to tranport the oil onto a ship or shore.

Not a bad idea. Depth wouldn't be an insurmountable issue really. Something that wrapped around the pipe on hinges hydrahlic ... with the ability to lock tight and with the thread cutters( a die ) that would be guided by the part locked onto the pipe. Cooling would be no problem and a stream of the oil could be redirected for lubrication.

Totally doable. First a schematic of what would normally go on the threaded end and..Some engineer could design the parts in a day or two...on to a computer generated machining plan...any good machine shop should have the capacity to make all the parts and on to testing. Maybe a week tops if it was a rush job.

Sounds like a pretty decent plan...I wonder why it hasn't been tried?

 

[gslack]

Done some pipe fitting on occasion. So BP has the technology to cut a pipe at depth. Anybody got a 20" pipe threader that operates at a mile under water? If we can get one, you should be able to thread the pipe and attach a pipe which in turn should allow you to place a valve and more pipe to tranport the oil onto a ship or shore.

Not a bad idea. Depth wouldn't be an insurmountable issue really. Something that wrapped around the pipe on hinges hydrahlic ... with the ability to lock tight and with the thread cutters( a die ) that would be guided by the part locked onto the pipe. Cooling would be no problem and a stream of the oil could be redirected for lubrication.

Totally doable. First a schematic of what would normally go on the threaded end and..Some engineer could design the parts in a day or two...on to a computer generated machining plan...any good machine shop should have the capacity to make all the parts and on to testing. Maybe a week tops if it was a rush job.

Sounds like a pretty decent plan...I wonder why it hasn't been tried?

Temperatures and pressures at that depth make fabricating relatively complex machines and or specialized tools a daunting task to say the least... The machinery they use already has been years in the making and they are very specialized.

The Dept. of the navy has DSRV's and so do some other agencies but they are used as salvage, research and or search and rescue applications. Nothing like this exists, and the idea of something like that was never thought a necessity. All the pipes are threaded either on the platforms or at the factory where they are cast or fabricated.

The camera they are using is specialized to operate at that depth, and in a protective case designed for that purpose. Both of these already existed, created for research and such years or decades prior..

 

[PatekPhilippe]

 

[mhouhuabob]

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Copyright@Robert A. McIntyre June 6th 2010

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Working Titles for INCREDIBLES - 2
"Syndrome's Revenge" OR "Return of the SUPERS"


1. It is 6-8 years later so that Jack-Jack is (prepubescent) about the same age as "IncrediBoy" was when he tried

to help Mr.Incredible against "Bomb Voyage". Dash is about 16-17 and has grown into a fine young man and has come

a long way in mastering his abilities, although he has still not found the ultimate limit to his speed!


2. Violet has also come a long way with her abilities and can shield an entire baseball park from the

rain which her boyfriend happens to play at the college where she is a senior. Her and Dash still get into their

spats although no brother and sister are closer than they are. Dash is still a bit of a "rebel" especially when

he is driving. He has a "lead foot" because he knows he can run faster than any car and is still impatient.


3. Mr. Incredible runs a "Fitness Center" that the government gave him in appreciation for defeating Syndrome and

the "Underminers". Elastigirl is bored out of her mind. The "Supers" still have to remain in hiding as the

government...nuff said! There has been very little crime for several years since Frozone and the Incredibles

started working incognito.


4. Through the years the "Incredibles" have saved the day on more than one occasion but mostly on the down-low

without Jack-Jack. Jack-Jack's abilities have remained completely random and seemingly beyond his control. If he

tries to fly, he sinks into the earth or power beams shoot out of his eyes/hands and blast a hole in the wall.

Mom & Dad have him under strict orders NOT to attempt to use his powers unless supervised by Mom or Dad or other

adult SUPERS. They decide to send him for special training at a secret summer camp just for SUPERS Kids.

The kids are now out of the house most of the time and with nothing to do Helen has her own midlife crisis.

She decides to become a charter jet pilot so her and Bob end up swapping roles.


5. Unknown to Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl, Mirage is a nurse/counselor at SUPERS summer camp because

she wants to be as near as possible to the family she has grown to love. She discovers Jack-Jack's dilemma and

becomes determined to help the child as penance for the past. During private talks with Jack-Jack she becomes

convinced that all of his troubles began when he was traumatized by her former lover Syndrome. Dad makes a

lousy mom and things deteriorate. Jack-Jack feels abandoned by Mom and becomes withdrawn and he starts

to hate his nickname. Dash gets a speeding ticket, Jack-Jack won't call home, Violet is in Love(rigs a game) and

Dad becomes overwhelmed. He wants to support Helen's career so he doesn't tell her anything about all the

problems that have happened.


5a. Violet doesn't know it but her boyfriend is a SUPER. His power is that he is a SUPER detector/copycat.

He can detect SUPERS even at a distance and immediately knows what power(s)they have. If he gets close enough

to a SUPER, he can even mimic their power(s) until they are out of his range. When He and Violet kissed for

the first time, they actually both became invisible but didn't notice as their eyes were closed. Her boyfriend's

nickname is Ditto/ReRun because he has habit of repeating what other people say. or because in baseball if the

batter before him gets a home run, he gets a home run. It's actually an unintended result of his power.


6. Mirage decides that the only way to save Jack-Jack is to use regression therapy to help him relive the trauma

and hopefully effect a cure. As she uses hypnosis to help him think back she unexpectedly triggers a random

activation of Jack-Jack's powers. He "time-jumps" back to the exact instant of the trauma as the "baby Jack-Jack"

is falling through the air mere moments before Syndrome is sucked into the jet engine and the explosion!


7. The disoriented elder Jack-Jack floats closer to Syndrome and inadvertantly(deliberately?) allows Syndrome to

grab a hold on him and they both "time-jump" back to the future just as the plane explodes and gives Jack-Jack

an amnesia-causing concussion! Syndrome subdues both Jack-Jack and Mirage with ease and quickly whisks them

away to a secret safe-house.


8. With Jack-Jack and Mirage unconscious, Syndrome accesses his safe-house computers to get up to speed on

the history since his 'death' especially anything regarding the "Incredibles" and their alter egos. Now

armed with all the knowledge he needs he begins to plot his revenge and deliver on the promise he made to

Mr. Incredible.


9. When Jack-Jack awakens, Syndrome quickly realizes that Jack-Jack remembers nothing. He tells Jack-Jack that

he is the Super-Hero, Syndrome. He remembers Jack-Jack's crazy, unknown, unpredictable powers and tells Jack-Jack

that he is his sidekick "Wildcard". He also tells WildCard that their first order of business is to help

WildCard learn to control his powers. Mirage awakens and only sees WildCard whom she calls Jack-Jack. He looks

at her strangely and says his name is WildCard whereupon she sees Syndrome behind him, screams and faints

unconscious again.


10. Syndrome now keeps Mirage and WildCard separate as he does not want her to confuse the boy or help him

recover his memory. Days of training goes by as Syndrome brings the full force of his technological

intellect to solve the WildCard dilemma. Unexpectedly, the two bond and as they finally achieve success they

hug each other and Syndrome even gets teary-eyed. With the aid of Syndrome's technology, a continuous body

scanner similar to an MRI monitors WildCard for physical, electro-magnetic, radioactive, gravitational, etc...

changes and pre-determines with an amazing degree of accuracy what power(s) he possesses at any moment.


11. This knowledge while helpful is not enough and Syndrome rigorously trains WildCard to develop a rapid

improvisational skill whereby he is able to make use of the power to his best advantage. It doesn't always

work. During one test, he is given the ability to read and write human minds like a computer hard drive.

He starts to read Mirage's mind and discovers that she both hates and loves Syndrome. This confuses the

child and upsets him so he decides to erase all the hate so that all she does is love both Syndrome and

WildCard. Syndrome and Mirage rekindle their romance and WildCard is happy and he experiences baby Jack-Jack

flashbacks of happiness and other people that confuse/disturb him.


12. With WildCard at his side, Syndrome begins to implement his plans for the Incredibles and the World. He

builds a new criminal empire that he unleashes on the World. Crime statistics explode and Frozone and the

Incredibles cannot cope with the number of incidents especially behind the scenes. Finally the people and

governments of the World can take no more. At first they demand and then they beg that the SUPERS return to

society to save the World from the Crime Wave.


13. Elastigirl returns home to stay and discovers the disaster that has become of her home. She also discovers

that Jack-Jack is missing and almost falls to pieces. The only thing that saves her is Dash, Violet, and

Mr.Incredible all come together in group hug. Mr. Incredible says "We'll find Jack-Jack ??????

From the doorway Ditto/ReRun says, "We'll find Jack-Jack ??????? Violet and Ditto/ReRun explain what Ditto's

powers are.


13. Edna Mode is back in the Super-Hero outfit business!



Copyright@Robert A. McIntyre June 6th 2010

 

[Old Rocks]

I'm familiar with these devices. There are so many factors to consider when operating a well 5000 feet below the surface of the ocean. A valve was installed near the base of the well but it was rendered inoperative when the well exploded. Looks like an acoustic switch, which is attached to a valve, would have met with the same result in this instance.

Fucking bullshit, and you know it, PP. The blowout valve was put together with the wrong prints. It was known to be inoperative well before they poured the cement. Yet, with all of that, they still withdrew the drilling mud before the cement was cured, against the advice of the people from Haliburton, who had installed poured the cement.

Not only that, an engineer that worked for BP had already raised a red flag about the inadaquete casing failing to seal with the cement. Yet they still went ahead and withdrew the mud.

This was not an accident. An industrial accident is when something unforeseen creates a disaster. They knew that each of these matters increased the chances of a disaster, yet they continued to pile risk upon risk. By doing that, there was not a risk of a catastrophe, but a certainty of it.

What we have in the Deepwater Horizon blowout is a classical case of criminal negligence. Involving the death of 11 men, and the destruction of a major portion of the Gulf ecology.