Stolen Elections

[Pappadave1]

Sure. But Democrat fear mongering and Republican fear mongering are in the same category. It's the same game. And it's the reason Trump is a threat. If you all spent less time trying to scare everyone, and actually pushed candidates and policies that have broad appeal, you'd win easily- and yes, that means conceding some things to the half of the nation that isn't on board with your current agenda.

But the thing is, neither side wants consensus. They want to win by the narrowest margin possible. Anything more than 50.1% represents a wasted opportunity. It means you've moved too far to the center (in the eyes of the left/right goons). It means you could have pushed a little harder for advantage in the "culture war'.

That's why these elections are always so close. Democrats could have replaced Biden with a centrist who would pull in enough Republicans to easily defeat Trump. But they don't want to. They want to push as hard as they can for their favored social reforms, and still eek out a victory.

This is all baked into plurality voting and the two-party system. We have to grow a spine, as a nation, and reject it.

Actually the 1980 and 1984 elections weren't close at all. Neither was the 2004 election for that matter.

 

[dblack]

Actually the 1980 and 1984 elections weren't close at all. Neither was the 2004 election for that matter.

In '84 Reagan was re-elected with 58.5%, you might call that "not close" but in '80 and '04 the winner had 50.7%. Barely a majority.

 

[Calypso Jones]

Nah, with no link, I'll just dismiss this as more soreloser bullshit.

because you're lazy and are fine with the lies.

 

[Faun]

Yeah, you dismissed the links by ignoring them.

Just like I ignore your bullshit now.

You're nothing but a dishonest troll.

Idiot, you didn't show me a link to ignore. I dismissed you because you don't have a link to support that bullshit claim.

 

[Faun]

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little shrimp bastard.

Funny. Trump tried to effectively do the same here. But you're gonna vote for him again anyway, ain't ya, Nazi?

 

[Faun]

because you're lazy and are fine with the lies.

Nope. Post a link supporting that bullshit and i'll read it. I note that no one here can do that.

 

[westwall]

Idiot, you didn't show me a link to ignore. I dismissed you because you don't have a link to support that bullshit claim.

It's been done many times. Go piss up a rope. I don't waste my time with trolls, like you.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It's been done many times. Go piss up a rope. I don't waste my time with trolls, like you.

Liar.

 

[Faun]

It's been done many times. Go piss up a rope. I don't waste my time with trolls, like you.

Suuure it has. That's why you won't post it now.

 

[Winco]

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[Pappadave1]

In '84 Reagan was re-elected with 58.5%, you might call that "not close" but in '80 and '04 the winner had 50.7%. Barely a majority.

We don't elect via the popular vote, but via the ELECTORAL COLLEGE vote. NONE OF THOSE was close. REAGAN won every State except Minnesota and Washington D.C. in '84. Even in 2016, Trump beat Hillary by over 75 EC votes.

 

[dblack]

We don't elect via the popular vote...

I'm well aware of that. Doesn't change anything about the point I made.

 

[Pappadave1]

I'm well aware of that. Doesn't change anything about the point I made.

Actually it does. Legally, the popular vote in a Presidential election is immaterial and actually a sop to Democrats. States COULD appoint electors by any means each legislature deems appropriate. The popular vote is merely one way they've chosen to do so.

 

[dblack]

Actually it does.

Not really. I was pointing out how, and why, the two party system discourages real consensus seeking candidates. How it promotes division.

You're grinding an axe about the popular vote vs the electoral college for some reason. The irony is that I agree with you. I prefer the electoral system to a popular vote. But it seems you really need to "win" something here, so - let's just declare you the wiener and move on, mkay?

 

[Skylar]

Actually it does. Legally, the popular vote in a Presidential election is immaterial and actually a sop to Democrats. States COULD appoint electors by any means each legislature deems appropriate. The popular vote is merely one way they've chosen to do so.

The popular vote is the only way that every state has chosen to appoint electors. That wasn't always the case. But it certainly is now.

 

[Pappadave1]

The popular vote is the only way that every state has chosen to appoint electors. That wasn't always the case. But it certainly is now.

I don't deny it. I'm merely saying that the Constitution allows each State's legislature to select the method by which Electors are chosen.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Pappadave1]

Good luck. I suspect the shredders and ovens are operating at full bore.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Faun]