Steven Grumbine and Chris Brown on Modern Monetary Theory?

In your opinion is Modern Monetary Theory a good way to address the fallout from A. I. and Robotics?

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DennisPTate

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In my opinion Mr. Chris Brown and his friend Mr. Steven Grumbine do a brilliant job of explaining Modern Monetary Theory. Only if we have a better idea of MMT can we deal with the likely fallout as robotics and Artificial Intelligence put huge numbers of people out of their careers, and many will likely find themselves into the situation of homelessness.

Steven Grumbine for President with Mr. Chris Brown for Vice President and voila, even President Trump would be impressed with that level of Democratic Party ticket.


Live with good friend and fellow MMT aficionado, Chris Brown​


The economy of the USA and Canada seem to be facing a lot more issues over the coming decade or two than we are prepared for.

 
Still a bad idea.
The situation that happened in the Weimar Republic and in Zimbabwe and in Argentine proves that this general idea can be applied in a manner that is terrible, [so you do have a good point], but this can be done in a way that is win, win, win, win, win for ninety nine point nine, nine percent of Canadians and Americans if ethical people can be found who will rise to the top in the decision making process.

Robotics and Artificial Intelligence will make the fewer number of remaining Canadian and American workers off the scale productive. So it is theoretically possible to expand the supply of money in such a way that this massive increase in the productivity of workers is turned into a win, win, win situation for all but a tiny segment of the population who will not like this idea because they will consider that it is decreasing their level of power and control over the lives of workers and the working poor.

Sighting Moshiach​

By Tzvi Freeman

1. The first thing Moshiach does is do away with bad marketing. That's the true villain that has held us back all these years. Ask any consumer electronics or computer engineer. We could all own household robots to do our work. We could be consuming less than 10% of the natural resources we consume now—if it weren't for those nefarious busy bodies who market quantity rather than quality. Given the true needs of most people and the productivity possible with modern technology, we should all be working an average of 2.5 hours a week. What's responsible for the other 60+ hours? Bad Marketing.

Moshiach's marketing people will get people's minds back on the right track. Thinking about real quality of life. About their relationship with the earth and with their bodies and their souls and the people around them. Once that's done, just about everything else we need to create paradise is here already.

 
CATO think tank opines Dennis>>>


~S~
But doesn't this all come down to one big question?

Isn't an increase in PRODUCTIVITY anti-inflationary?

While Fed Chair Jerome Powell made the rounds on Capitol Hill this week, discussions about the Federal Reserve’s expectations for inflation have once again come to the forefront. Unsustainable government spending is raising inflationary pressures with potentially devastating consequences for the US economy. In this context, the belief that debt doesn’t matter, especially championed by proponents of Modern Monetary Theory (MMT), appears more detached from reality than ever.

 
well yes...... but this one factor does not stand alone Dennis, consider supply or demand side policies, micro & macroeconomics , etc......~S~
But are we not now talking about an increase in PRODUCTIVITY that will probably be comparable to what happened since the beginning of the "Industrial Revolution?"
 
well yes...... but this one factor does not stand alone Dennis, consider supply or demand side policies, micro & macroeconomics , etc......~S~

True, but a powerful case can be presented that a significant percentage of our elected officials in both the USA and Canada have sold out to the "Neo-Malthusians" who are led by Bill Gates who did the lecture "Innovating to zero" back in 2010.

President Donald J. Trump for all of his many, many, many flaws.....
is certainly promoting a very different type of response to the prospect of "Bear Market 2026 to 2036" than Bill Gates and his buddies seem to want?
 
True, but a powerful case can be presented that a significant percentage of our elected officials in both the USA and Canada have sold out to the "Neo-Malthusians" who are led by Bill Gates who did the lecture "Innovating to zero" back in 2010.

President Donald J. Trump for all of his many, many, many flaws.....
is certainly promoting a very different type of response to the prospect of "Bear Market 2026 to 2036" than Bill Gates and his buddies seem to want?
the class warfare in it all reeks to high heaven Dennis ~S~
 
the class warfare in it all reeks to high heaven Dennis ~S~


So true. Not very many poor people would be in agreement with the basic ideas behind Neo-Malthusianism.

Malthusianism is a theory, proposed by Thomas Malthus, that population grows exponentially while food supply grows linearly, leading to inevitable resource scarcity, poverty, famine, war, and disease (Malthusian catastrophes) that check population growth unless humans implement "preventive checks" like delayed marriage or moral restraint. While criticized for failing to account for technological growth (like the Industrial Revolution) that boosts food production, the concept remains influential, especially in neo-Malthusianism, which warns of environmental limits and resource depletion.


Core Concepts
  • Exponential vs. Linear Growth: Population tends to grow geometrically (e.g., 2, 4, 8, 16), while food production grows arithmetically (e.g., 2, 4, 6, 8).
  • Malthusian Checks
    : When population outpaces food, "positive checks" like famine, disease, and war reduce numbers, while "preventive checks" like delayed marriage and abstinence limit births
    .
    • Malthusian Catastrophe: The predicted crisis point where resource scarcity leads to widespread misery and population decline.





Influence & Criticism
  • Influence: Malthus's ideas influenced thinkers like Charles Darwin, inspired policies (like Poor Laws in Britain), and formed the basis for neo-Malthusian concerns about overpopulation and environmental limits.
  • Criticism: The theory is often called a fallacy because it underestimates human innovation and technological advancement, which have allowed food production to keep pace with, or even exceed, population growth (e.g., the Green Revolution, modern agriculture).






Modern Relevance
  • Neo-Malthusianism: Revived concerns focus on non-food resources (water, energy, minerals) and environmental impacts (pollution, climate change), echoing Malthus's warnings about limits.
  • Debate Continues: Debates persist over whether resource limits, rather than technological fixes, will ultimately define humanity's future, with some arguing technology can always adapt, while others see growing strain on the planet.
 
Still a bad idea.

I admit that this is an idea that could be done terribly but if it could be kept out of the hands of the "Neo-Malthusians" it could have amazing potential.

Should Premier Doug Ford of Ontario introduce "407 Dollars" similar to Calgary Dollars?​


 
I admit that this is an idea that could be done terribly but if it could be kept out of the hands of the "Neo-Malthusians" it could have amazing potential.

Should Premier Doug Ford of Ontario introduce "407 Dollars" similar to Calgary Dollars?​



Something like that works where there is a lack of currency.
I don't think that's the case in Canada.
Do you?
 
Something like that works where there is a lack of currency.
I don't think that's the case in Canada.
Do you?


I believe that if Premier Rob Ford were to make those available and direct them toward something worthwhile such as putting homeless people into homes......
then big companies with employees who would want to take the 407 more often would be very interested.
 
I believe that if Premier Rob Ford were to make those available and direct them toward something worthwhile such as putting homeless people into homes......
then big companies with employees who would want to take the 407 more often would be very interested.

Waste of time and money.
 
Waste of time and money.

He could screw it up but Professor of economics Irving Fisher proved that it was one of the only ways to get Washington to do something for ordinary people. I assume Ottawa needs a similar bit of encouragement.


[The Truth About Money: The Money SystemIsnt There a Better Way?
by Francis and Lia Ayley] :

"City in Austria Printed Local Currency
Worgl, like many other European towns and cities, was hit hard by the Great Depression. There was mass unemployment; four of the five local factories had closed, and the people were starving in the streets. Nobody had any money to buy anything. One of the features of an economic depression is that there is not enough money in circulation to ensure that people can meet their basic needs, and in the 1930s, the shortage of currency in many countries of the world became catastrophic.

The mayor of Worgl, together with local businessmen, decided to try to break this economic impasse by creating their own local currency. They printed and issued 60,000 Austrian shillings worth of local currency. These shillings could only be spent in Worgl, so they remained in the local community and were exchanged over and over again.

The positive impact was immediate and surprising to everyone. In only six weeks, unemployment disappeared, all the factories had reopened and everyone had food. For the inhabitants of Worgl, the economic depression was gone. This dramatic transformation became known as the “miracle of Worgl.” Surrounding towns, inspired by the success of Worgl, immediately started printing their own local currencies.

Sadly, the miracle did not last long. When the Austrian Central Bank heard about Worgl’s local currency, they initiated legal proceedings against the mayor and local businessmen. According to Austrian banking law, it was illegal for anyone except the Austrian Central Bank to issue money. The bank won the court case, and the mayor was ordered to shut down the local currency, which he did, under threat of imprisonment. The town then returned to the devastating economic depression of the 1930s, with all the human pain and suffering associated with this catastrophe. Factories closed, and once again, the people starved.

Alternative Currency in the U.S.
Irving Fisher, an American professor of economics at Yale University, visited Worgl before the local currency was suppressed and witnessed the ‘miracle’ firsthand. When he returned to the United States, Fisher spread the word by traveling and lecturing across the country, advocating the use of the Worgl ‘scrip’ everywhere. Inspired by his vision, hundreds of communities began issuing their own currency, and by 1934 there were over 1,000 local communities using ‘scrip’ throughout the U.S.

Every one of these communities experienced a tremendous rejuvenation of their local economies. They thrived while others suffered. Fisher then met with President Franklin D. Roosevelt, proposing the implementation of government-sanctioned local ‘scrip’ in every community in America. When FDR consulted with his top financial advisors and bankers, however, he was advised to shut all the ‘scrip’ systems down, which he did. Instead, he borrowed large amounts of money from bankers, at interest, and used it to pay for the Reconstruction Finance Corporation and the other work-creation projects, which collectively came to be known as the ‘New Deal.’ So ended the last widespread use of a local currency within the U.S.

This pattern of economic collapse and re-emergence of local currencies has occurred thousands of times in many parts of the world. When these currencies have failed or have been suppressed, banks have not always been to blame. Sometimes, local currencies fail because they have been badly designed or implemented. Sometimes, people lose interest in them when the mainstream economy recovers. But they have always returned in one form or another during times of economic failure.

Our present world situation is uniquely different. Despite a relatively prosperous and stable world economy, a quiet monetary revolution has been occurring around the globe over the last 20 years. Awareness is growing about the flaws in our current monetary system, and people are re-creating viable alternatives. We are witnessing for the first time the worldwide creation of money systems designed by the people who use them, instead of by central banks.

Time Dollars in Whatcom County"

[ The Truth About Money: The Money SystemIsnt There a Better Way?
by Francis and Lia Ayley}
 
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He could screw it up but Profess or economics Irving Fisher proved that it was one of the only ways to get Washington to do something for ordinary people. I assume Ottawa needs a similar bit of encouragement.

Would be fine during a deflationary depression.

Otherwise.......meh.
 
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Sophistry?

Thank you for giving me an idea for a new discussion and poll.


 

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