State dept. corrects their wrong Keystone assumptions..

[1776]

Obama this weekend claimed his opposition to Keystone was based on stopping Greenhouse gases as if a pipeline puts out more than trucks and trains transporting the products to Texas.

He is just ******* insane and stupid.

 

[healthmyths]

OMG! Who is paying healthy to lobby for the Keystone Pipeline? The Canadians don't know how to build a refinery,,eh?
Maybe Keystone needs to sweeten the pot???

Building a refinery is not the issue. Canada wants to sell the oil on the open market.
China will buy 1 million barrels a day.
Do you want one million barrels sitting in a tanker waiting for a winter storm NOT to sink it and have this happen again?
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The Pacific coast is closer to China than is the Gulf of Mexico.

btw, what will Canada be paying us to ship oil across the US? Where's that number?

What major mountain range lies between the Canadian oil and starting point of the Keystone pipeline, and the Gulf?

Tell us how a pipeline over/under/through the Rockies would work out.

That's not the argument. healthmyths is arguing that a pipeline to the Gulf of Mexico makes shipping oil to China safer.

He's insane.

So explain how shipping 1 million barrels one mile on the open ocean is safer then 700 barrels traveling one mile on dry land?
I'm trying to understand because I've always thought 1 million was a bigger number then 700... now I could be wrong!
Again... THINK... the oil is going to china or somewhere. That's a given.
NOW which would you rather see in your backyard... a 1 million BARREL tanker..

or a pipeline crossing one mile of your backyard?
Which do you think if a leak occurred would spill more oil? A 1 million barrel tanker or a one mile section of a pipeline carrying 700 barrels?
I know...I know... it's very hard to comprehend!!

 

[NYcarbineer]

OMG! Who is paying healthy to lobby for the Keystone Pipeline? The Canadians don't know how to build a refinery,,eh?
Maybe Keystone needs to sweeten the pot???

Building a refinery is not the issue. Canada wants to sell the oil on the open market.
China will buy 1 million barrels a day.
Do you want one million barrels sitting in a tanker waiting for a winter storm NOT to sink it and have this happen again?
View attachment 34098

The Pacific coast is closer to China than is the Gulf of Mexico.

btw, what will Canada be paying us to ship oil across the US? Where's that number?

What major mountain range lies between the Canadian oil and starting point of the Keystone pipeline, and the Gulf?

Tell us how a pipeline over/under/through the Rockies would work out.

That's not the argument. healthmyths is arguing that a pipeline to the Gulf of Mexico makes shipping oil to China safer.

He's insane.

So explain how shipping 1 million barrels one mile on the open ocean is safer then 700 barrels traveling one mile on dry land?
I'm trying to understand because I've always thought 1 million was a bigger number then 700... now I could be wrong!
Again... THINK... the oil is going to china or somewhere. That's a given.
NOW which would you rather see in your backyard... a 1 million BARREL tanker..
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or a pipeline crossing one mile of your backyard?
Which do you think if a leak occurred would spill more oil? A 1 million barrel tanker or a one mile section of a pipeline carrying 700 barrels?
I know...I know... it's very hard to comprehend!!

Do you even know where the Canadian oil is located?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Pacific coast is closer to China than is the Gulf of Mexico.

btw, what will Canada be paying us to ship oil across the US? Where's that number?

What major mountain range lies between the Canadian oil and starting point of the Keystone pipeline, and the Gulf?

Tell us how a pipeline over/under/through the Rockies would work out.

That's not the argument. healthmyths is arguing that a pipeline to the Gulf of Mexico makes shipping oil to China safer.

He's insane.

Seems China is going to get all the oil and gas it needs from Russia anyway.

And from the oil they're going to extract right in our own Gulf Of Mexico because of our insane refusal to exploit our own resources.

Where are foreign companies drilling in US territorial waters that American companies aren't allowed?

I guess the answer is zero, and the saintmichael poster is mentally retarded.

There two things you've learned today that you might not have already known.

 

[SwimExpert]

Why should the US do any favors for Canadian companies intent on selling oil overseas?

 

[idb]

Once again this incompetent administration has NO idea of what they are doing. Case in point Keystone.

The State Department on Friday corrected several errors it made in a key study evaluating the impact of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline, including an understatement of how many people could be killed on railroad tracks if the project were rejected and oil traffic by rail increased.
The January report determined that blocking the controversial pipeline could increase Oil train traffic and lead to an additional 49 injuries and 6 deaths per year, mostly by using historical injury and fatality statistics for railways.
That finding was a small element of a broader examination of how building the pipeline could impact climate change, endangered species, quality of life and other issues.
But the report mistakenly used a forecast for three months of expected accidents rather than full-year figures, officials said. The correct estimate of deaths should be roughly 4X as large; between 18 and 30 fatalities per year.

Another MISCALCULATION......
Officials also revised a footnoted reference to how much electricity would be needed to power pumping stations along the route of the pipeline that would link Canada’s Oil sands region to Texas refineries.
Running at something less than full capacity, the pumping stations would not require as much electricity, and so tax power plants less than originally reported.
Revising that footnote has no impact on the State Department’s estimation of expected Greenhouse gas emissions tied to the pipeline, a spokesperson said.
“It is common practice to publish an errata sheet that notes and corrects errors in voluminous technical documents such as environmental impact statements,” the State Department said.
US Corrects Keystone Study Errors | Live Trading News

BUT the BIGGEST totally UNACCOUNTED for mistake is what happens when Canada ships 1 million barrels a day via an oil tanker because Keystone not built.

Was there any accounting for what happens if another Exxon Valdez occurs?
Consider the risks:
A) Keystone carries in one mile of pipe 700 barrels.
B) 1 million barrel tanker carries in one mile on open ocean 1 million barrels.

Explain how much it would cost to clean up another Exxon Valdez on the open ocean that is still affecting the environment...
Versus cleaning up less then 2,000 barrels on the open dry land?

Which would have a greater environmental impact??

How does the refined product get to market?
A cynic might suggest that Canada is looking to export all environmental risk...of course that cynic isn't me...

 

[AmericanFirst]

Keystone is profoundly insignificant. It's a classic example of the GOP trying to use something small to deflect from the fact that their party can't achieve anything big.

You just proved he w stupid you are for now hing, we already knew.

 

[tinydancer]

OMG! Who is paying healthy to lobby for the Keystone Pipeline? The Canadians don't know how to build a refinery,,eh?
Maybe Keystone needs to sweeten the pot???

Building a refinery is not the issue. Canada wants to sell the oil on the open market.
China will buy 1 million barrels a day.
Do you want one million barrels sitting in a tanker waiting for a winter storm NOT to sink it and have this happen again?
View attachment 34098

The Pacific coast is closer to China than is the Gulf of Mexico.

btw, what will Canada be paying us to ship oil across the US? Where's that number?

Paying for it all. No guff. It's a win win. I'm not kidding. Trans Canada is paying for the whole shebang.

 

[tinydancer]

Ask North Dakotans. Ask a true blue dog well in the old days I just used to call them Democrats Heidi how important it is to get this built so they can move their product out of the Bakken fields and into refineries on the Gulf.

 

[tinydancer]

Why should the US do any favors for Canadian companies intent on selling oil overseas?

What the **** are you talking about?

We are your number one supplier. You use Canuck black gold every day of your life and have been for many a year.

We don't behead anyone. Workers in our oil fields get top wages. First Nations have made out like bandits. And you don't have to sweat us wanting to fly planes into buildings.

 

[SwimExpert]

What the **** are you talking about?

We are your number one supplier. You use Canuck black gold every day of your life and have been for many a year.

Cool story. Has nothing to do with XL, though.

 

[tinydancer]

What the **** are you talking about?

We are your number one supplier. You use Canuck black gold every day of your life and have been for many a year.

Cool story. Has nothing to do with XL, though.

Really? This is just another stage in the Keystone saga.

Remember Keystone I or Keystone II?

Trust me. If you want to dance with me on the Keystone issue put your battle gear on.

 

[NYcarbineer]

OMG! Who is paying healthy to lobby for the Keystone Pipeline? The Canadians don't know how to build a refinery,,eh?
Maybe Keystone needs to sweeten the pot???

Building a refinery is not the issue. Canada wants to sell the oil on the open market.
China will buy 1 million barrels a day.
Do you want one million barrels sitting in a tanker waiting for a winter storm NOT to sink it and have this happen again?
View attachment 34098

The Pacific coast is closer to China than is the Gulf of Mexico.

btw, what will Canada be paying us to ship oil across the US? Where's that number?

Paying for it all. No guff. It's a win win. I'm not kidding. Trans Canada is paying for the whole shebang.

No links to your claim.

One link to a claim to the contrary:

Who Pays for the Keystone XL Pipeline Great Plains Tar Sands Pipelines

 

[tinydancer]

OMG! Who is paying healthy to lobby for the Keystone Pipeline? The Canadians don't know how to build a refinery,,eh?
Maybe Keystone needs to sweeten the pot???

Building a refinery is not the issue. Canada wants to sell the oil on the open market.
China will buy 1 million barrels a day.
Do you want one million barrels sitting in a tanker waiting for a winter storm NOT to sink it and have this happen again?
View attachment 34098

The Pacific coast is closer to China than is the Gulf of Mexico.

btw, what will Canada be paying us to ship oil across the US? Where's that number?

Paying for it all. No guff. It's a win win. I'm not kidding. Trans Canada is paying for the whole shebang.

No links to your claim.

One link to a claim to the contrary:

Who Pays for the Keystone XL Pipeline Great Plains Tar Sands Pipelines

Are you sure you want to mess with me on this because I am loaded for bear and I am so sick to death of the lies over this pipeline.

 

[tinydancer]

OMG! Who is paying healthy to lobby for the Keystone Pipeline? The Canadians don't know how to build a refinery,,eh?
Maybe Keystone needs to sweeten the pot???

Building a refinery is not the issue. Canada wants to sell the oil on the open market.
China will buy 1 million barrels a day.
Do you want one million barrels sitting in a tanker waiting for a winter storm NOT to sink it and have this happen again?
View attachment 34098

The Pacific coast is closer to China than is the Gulf of Mexico.

btw, what will Canada be paying us to ship oil across the US? Where's that number?

Paying for it all. No guff. It's a win win. I'm not kidding. Trans Canada is paying for the whole shebang.

No links to your claim.

One link to a claim to the contrary:

Who Pays for the Keystone XL Pipeline Great Plains Tar Sands Pipelines

Carb you sure you want me to kill you on this?

 

[NYcarbineer]

OMG! Who is paying healthy to lobby for the Keystone Pipeline? The Canadians don't know how to build a refinery,,eh?
Maybe Keystone needs to sweeten the pot???

Building a refinery is not the issue. Canada wants to sell the oil on the open market.
China will buy 1 million barrels a day.
Do you want one million barrels sitting in a tanker waiting for a winter storm NOT to sink it and have this happen again?
View attachment 34098

The Pacific coast is closer to China than is the Gulf of Mexico.

btw, what will Canada be paying us to ship oil across the US? Where's that number?

Paying for it all. No guff. It's a win win. I'm not kidding. Trans Canada is paying for the whole shebang.

No links to your claim.

One link to a claim to the contrary:

Who Pays for the Keystone XL Pipeline Great Plains Tar Sands Pipelines

Carb you sure you want me to kill you on this?

You're an idiot. The world is full of idiots and I'm still alive. Go ahead.

 

[SwimExpert]

What the **** are you talking about?

We are your number one supplier. You use Canuck black gold every day of your life and have been for many a year.

Cool story. Has nothing to do with XL, though.

Really? This is just another stage in the Keystone saga.

Remember Keystone I or Keystone II?

Trust me. If you want to dance with me on the Keystone issue put your battle gear on.

Cool story.

The purpose of the Keystone XL is to send Canadian oil overseas. So I ask again, what is the point of the US doing a favor for a Canadian oil company? There is nothing in it for us. Some reports indicate that it might actually increase US pump prices, because the XL pipe could cause already extant pipes, which are running at approximately half capacity, to increase per barrel tolls in order to maintain revenues, as capacity is spread out across more pipeline.

 

[tinydancer]

Building a refinery is not the issue. Canada wants to sell the oil on the open market.
China will buy 1 million barrels a day.
Do you want one million barrels sitting in a tanker waiting for a winter storm NOT to sink it and have this happen again?
View attachment 34098

The Pacific coast is closer to China than is the Gulf of Mexico.

btw, what will Canada be paying us to ship oil across the US? Where's that number?

Paying for it all. No guff. It's a win win. I'm not kidding. Trans Canada is paying for the whole shebang.

No links to your claim.

One link to a claim to the contrary:

Who Pays for the Keystone XL Pipeline Great Plains Tar Sands Pipelines

Carb you sure you want me to kill you on this?

You're an idiot. The world is full of idiots and I'm still alive. Go ahead.

Carb I've been a conservationist since Grassy Narrows. I like to think of myself not so much a green warrior but a person who can make a difference when energy needs or food needs collide with killing mother earth.

And yes. This old conservative is a conservationist beyond. I live it.

Pipelines are the only way to go. We must transport the oil. So do we do it on our terms?

With all rules in place? Or do we let Venezuela ship it to us on the high seas? Or Nigeria who treat their workers like slaves to get their black gold?

Ethical oil from Canada. Your friend and neighbor who don't want to behead you or fly planes into your buildings.

A covenant between our countries because we love and respect each other.

Where do you want me to start on why our oil is better?

 

[tinydancer]

What the **** are you talking about?

We are your number one supplier. You use Canuck black gold every day of your life and have been for many a year.

Cool story. Has nothing to do with XL, though.

Really? This is just another stage in the Keystone saga.

Remember Keystone I or Keystone II?

Trust me. If you want to dance with me on the Keystone issue put your battle gear on.

Cool story.

The purpose of the Keystone XL is to send Canadian oil overseas. So I ask again, what is the point of the US doing a favor for a Canadian oil company? There is nothing in it for us. Some reports indicate that it might actually increase US pump prices, because the XL pipe could cause already extant pipes, which are running at approximately half capacity, to increase per barrel tolls in order to maintain revenues, as capacity is spread out across more pipeline.

Oh so we have to ship all our crude to the Gulf of Mexico to get it to China.



Did you ever take geography swimbuddy?

We have the Pacific AND the Atlantic fool. Aye carumba!!!!!!!!!!

 

[tinydancer]

Apart from the retarded swimbuddy, does anyone else really believe that we have to have a pipeline to the gulf to ship our oil to China?