Speaking Of Outright Prejudice

[Annie]

Oh, it's the UN. Interestingly enough, there is this one quote, which illustrates exactly which bloc is dominating the organization we should have withdrawn from more than a decade ago:

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=MmRlYzUwZjk3OTI4ZjIwYmYzZWY4MWVhMzgzOWJmZWU=

Jews Seek Racial Domination!
The latest report from the U.N.

By Anne Bayefsky

A newly released United Nations report epitomizes the foul anti-Semitism which has overtaken the U.N. human-rights machinery. In language reminiscent of Nazi Germany, John Dugard, the U.N.’s “Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967,” has announced that Jews seeks racial domination.

In Dugard’s words: “The IDF inflicts serious bodily and mental harm on Palestinians...Palestinians throughout the OPT [Occupied Palestinian Territory] are denied freedom of movement. Can it seriously be denied that the purpose of such action is to establish and maintain domination by one racial group (Jews) over another racial group (Palestinians) and systematically oppressing them?”

Dugard’s U.N. mandate is to demonize Israel. Palestinian human-rights violations were deliberately omitted from the job description, first drafted by the U.N. Human Rights Commission in 1993 and continued by the “reformed” U.N. Human Rights Council. Dugard, a lawyer, not only accepted the one-sided mandate, he relished the opportunity to become an advocate of a one-state solution in the name of human rights. What Dugard fears most is not hate and the terrorism it fuels, but “Judaization” — the idea of a Jew living in claimed Arab land. Deliberately mirroring Nazi imagery, his report refers to Israel’s security fence this way: “The Wall being built in East Jerusalem is an instrument of social engineering designed to achieve the Judaization of Jerusalem…”

The “Judaization” problem stands side-by-side with this U.N. champion of the Hamas government. According to Dugard, Israel has no right to refuse to transfer funds to the Hamas government. Why? “Predictably, Israel justifies its action on security grounds, but the real reason seems to be a determination to effect a regime change.” A look at the Hamas Charter might help determine the wisdom of regime change: “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it...There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad...” But according to this U.N. expert the problem is not a government dedicated to killing Jews, but the Jews themselves.

The primary tool of the U.N.’s point-man for whipping up modern-day anti-Semitism is to pillory the Jew as racist extraordinaire. Israel is the evil equivalent to apartheid South Africa. Referring to apartheid 24 times in his report, he proclaims: “Israel’s laws and practices in the OPT certainly resemble aspects of apartheid.” He fails to mention, predictably, that one-fifth of Israel’s population is Arab — citizens who vote and hold seats in the Israeli parliament — while Arab countries are Judenrein. And Israel is the apartheid state?

The ultimate carrying-card of U.N.-driven anti-Semitism is to blame the Jewish state for the world’s ills. Dugard exemplifies this most dangerous of canards. He reports:

For years the occupation of Palestine and apartheid in South Africa vied for attention from the international community. In 1994, apartheid came to an end…the OPT has become a test for the West, a test by which its commitment to human rights is to be judged. If the West fails this test, it can hardly expect the developing world to address human rights violations seriously in its own countries…​

Thus the U.N. inverts right and wrong. Why should Sudan stop genocide? It’s waiting for the Jews to repent or the Jewishness of Israel to be terminated. Why should Zimbabwe stop murdering and starving its own people, white and black? Why should China grant anybody freedom of speech? Why should Saudi Arabia let women out of the house alone or into any driver’s seat? Why should Egypt stop the mutilation of the genitals of the majority of its married female population? They’re all waiting for a solution to the Jewish state problem.

American tax dollars were used to pay for the Dugard report and its dissemination worldwide by the U.N. Isn’t it about time the tap was turned off?

 

[Avatar4321]

this is one of the dumbest most bigoted pieces I've ever seen written...

 

[Bry]

this is one of the dumbest most bigoted pieces I've ever seen written...

er?

and in your opinion, how many dumb bigoted pieces have you written?

Sorry, is there anyone that would think to define Zionism as anything other than a group which seeks racial domination within the land they believe was promised them in their holy books? That's pretty much how they define themselves. It's a bit reactionary to condemn the UN for accepting and propogating Zionists' definition of themselves.

 

[Annie]

er?

and in your opinion, how many dumb bigoted pieces have you written?

Sorry, is there anyone that would think to define Zionism as anything other than a group which seeks racial domination within the land they believe was promised them in their holy books? That's pretty much how they define themselves. It's a bit reactionary to condemn the UN for accepting and propogating Zionists' definition of themselves.

I disagree, so do most Zionist groups:

http://www.zionism-israel.com/zionism_definitions.htm

A Definition of Zionism:

Zionism is the national revival movement of the Jewish people. It holds that the Jews have the right to self-determination in their own national home, and the right to develop their national culture. Historically, Zionism strove to create a legally recognized national home for the Jews in their historical homeland. This goal was implemented by the creation of the State of Israel. Today, Zionism supports the existence of the state of Israel and helps to inspire a revival of Jewish national life, culture and language.

 

[Bry]

Kathy, with that quote you're not disagreeing with me.

 

[Annie]

Kathy, with that quote you're not disagreeing with me.

Yes I am, it's not about land or borders. You will see disagreement at the site however.

 

[Annie]

Sad, indeed:

http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2007/02/tom_and_jerry_t.html

Note, read the text, it's NOT a spoof.

 

[Bry]

Yes I am, it's not about land or borders. You will see disagreement at the site however.

I admit, you're a bit cryptic for me.

What is it about "Historically, Zionism strove to create a legally recognized national home for the Jews in their historical homeland." that you would like to dissociate from the concepts of land and borders? Did you even read that quote or did you just assume that the Zionists couldn't possibly define themselves in the way I indicated? IMHO, you couldn't have chosen a clearer statement ON MY BEHALF.

Sad, indeed:

http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2007/02/tom_and_jerry_t.html

Note, read the text, it's NOT a spoof.

Um, yeah. What do you imagine you are defending linking that video?

 

[Annie]

I admit, you're a bit cryptic for me.

What is it about "Historically, Zionism strove to create a legally recognized national home for the Jews in their historical homeland." that you would like to dissociate from the concepts of land and borders? Did you even read that quote or did you just assume that the Zionists couldn't possibly define themselves in the way I indicated? IMHO, you couldn't have chosen a clearer statement ON MY BEHALF.



Um, yeah. What do you imagine you are defending linking that video?

Bry, I am unconcerned that you do not get the video, nor can you use the link to read.

 

[Bry]

Bry, I am unconcerned that you do not get the video, nor can you use the link to read.

Right, okay Kath. Your nonconcern for making intelligible posts is duly noted.

Now, here's my interpretation of those sites. The first, a link to a discussion about what Zionism is, at certain points says that it isn't just about land and that it isn't just about borders. However, EVERYTHING else that is on that page is a claim by the JEWISH RACE to A HISTORICAL HOMELAND (by historical we understand references from religious texts to a period over two thousand years ago). In other words, Zionists describe themselves exactly the way I described them above.

The second site is an Iranian professor babbling about cartoons. From thi,s your point would be that Jews aren't racist because one Iranian is racist? That's poppycock, with all due respect (and I do respect you.)

 

[Annie]

Right, okay Kath. Your nonconcern for making intelligible posts is duly noted.

Now, here's my interpretation of those sites. The first, a link to a discussion about what Zionism is, at certain points says that it isn't just about land and that it isn't just about borders. However, EVERYTHING else that is on that page is a claim by the JEWISH RACE to A HISTORICAL HOMELAND (by historical we understand references from religious texts to a period over two thousand years ago). In other words, Zionists describe themselves exactly the way I described them above.

The second site is an Iranian professor babbling about cartoons. From thi,s your point would be that Jews aren't racist because one Iranian is racist? That's poppycock, with all due respect (and I do respect you.)

If only one imam, if only al Jeezra and other Middle Eastern television weren't putting up that and worse daily.

As for the other, which is intelligible, Zionism is wanting to have an identity, separate and above land. As said, not all agree, though many do.

 

[Bry]

If only one imam, if only al Jeezra and other Middle Eastern television weren't putting up that and worse daily.

As for the other, which is intelligible, Zionism is wanting to have an identity, separate and above land. As said, not all agree, though many do.

That antisemitism from the Iranians is relatively new. Of course they have since it's creation wanted to wipe Israel from the map (and rightly so, IMHO) but this crap about the holocaust is relatively new. On the other hand, a large number of Zionists have been saying for a very long time that the Palestinians never existed. So I guess you reap what you sew, tit for tat, and all that.

 

[maineman]

the fact of the matter is: there are plenty of arabs living in Israel - and not in the west bank... plenty of towns throughout the Galillee are arab towns - Nazareth, for example. There are plenty of palestinian arabs living in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank that ought to have some form of representation in the governance of their lands....

how does Israel do that and keep its "jewishness" if, for example, the arabs reproduce faster and increase their segment of the population of Israel?

How doe Israeli arabs and arabs in occupied territories share in the democracy of Israel?

 

[Bry]

the fact of the matter is: there are plenty of arabs living in Israel - and not in the west bank... plenty of towns throughout the Galillee are arab towns - Nazareth, for example. There are plenty of palestinian arabs living in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank that ought to have some form of representation in the governance of their lands....

how does Israel do that and keep its "jewishness" if, for example, the arabs reproduce faster and increase their segment of the population of Israel?

How doe Israeli arabs and arabs in occupied territories share in the democracy of Israel?

I don't follow you, Maineman. You're asking rhetorical questions just to show that the situation is FUBAR? Or is there something else you're getting at?

 

[Annie]

Arab-Israeli citizens get to vote, they have representation in the legislature. Are they as fully integrated as minorities in US? When did we get the first modern black senator? Governor? What about Native Americans? They have their own nation status. No system is perfect and if many of us question how 'loose' our laws should be now, imagine living in the ME neighborhood.

 

[Bry]

That's ME Maine, no?

Law quashes the right of Israeli Arab citizens to family life
Families face being torn apart by the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law, which discriminates on the basis of ethnicity and nationality

Thousands of Israeli Arab citizens continue to be denied the right to live as a family by a controversial law which was extended in July. The Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law bars Israelis married to Palestinians from the Occupied Territories from living together in Israel. They have no alternative but to live with their spouses "illegally" or have their families torn apart. For most, leaving the country altogether is simply not an option.

"At the Interior Ministry they told me to either get divorced or to go live in the West Bank," said Salwa Abu Jaber, 29, from northern Israel. Speaking to AI, she explained how her husband, Mahmoud al-Hader of Jenin, was repeatedly refused "family unification" - the authorization required of all Palestinians wishing to join their families in Israel. Faced with little choice, Mahmoud al-Hader has been forced to live illegally in Israel with his wife and their children. As a result, says Abu Jaber, "my husband is like a prisoner here; he cannot go anywhere for fear of being arrested and expelled again".

http://web.amnesty.org/wire/September2004/Israel

 

[maineman]

I don't follow you, Maineman. You're asking rhetorical questions just to show that the situation is FUBAR? Or is there something else you're getting at?

no...as much as I really admire every Israeli I ever knew, it is clear to me that the only way that Israel will maintain jewish control over its territory is by some form of apartheid.