Spanish ultimatum - European hypocrisy at its best

[rylah]

In what way different?
Both Spain and Israel use virtually the same arguments and language to address the same issues of Muslim colonization.

There's no issue of "Muslim colonization" in Spain.

In Israel Jews and Muslims live close together. In Spain they don't.

Muslims Demand Right to Return to Spain
Following the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, a number of Muslim groups are now demanding similar grace for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

In the interest of equality, the Muslim supporters say that they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

However, historians state that the Jews were in Spain before the Christians, and so their expulsion was on the grounds of bigotry, whereas the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language, and so their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.
(emphasis mine)

Well, not really.

The Jews were a part of Spain before the invasion of the Moors and then were kicked out after the Moors were defeated.

The Moors and the Spanish fought a war and the Spanish won.

Also the Sephardic Jews speak a form of Spanish. The Muslims don't.

The Muslims have no connection with Spain at all, other than they want EU citizenship.

Jews were part of Israel for 2000 years before Muslims invaded and colonized the land.
Forced their culture down peoples' throats, tried to expelled Jews from their holy cities.
The Muslims and Jews fought a war - Jews won a tiny sliver of their land, the bigger portion of which remained under control of an Arabian king.

Muslims in Israel are not readily learning Hebrew, many don't know more than few words.
Muslims have no connection to Israel at all, other than having colonized it like Spain and wanting Israeli citizenship.

Yet Spain demands a Muslim state in Israel, in Jerusalem, and to flood it with millions of hostile Muslims who not only don't want to integrate - but openly advocate the destruction of that country.

Q. Do Spaniards think Jews are made from a different material, why the double standard?

The problem with your argument is that Muslims do have a connection with Israel. Many Muslims are Israeli citizens. And many were there when Israel was made a country.

Yes, Muslims came in to what is now Palestine/Israel and invaded. But they're still there. The Spanish are still there. The Moors aren't. Very few Jewish people were left a hundred and something years ago. Those Jews that are there now are people who have emigrated away from wherever it was they came from.

Is there double standards? Often when it comes to the Israel/Palestine issue the Spanish have kept to the line that prevents anyone criticizing them for wanting to keep Catalonia and the Basque Country in Spain.

But the problems in Palestine/Israel are different to anywhere else. Neither side wants peace there, so the only rational thing would seem to have two separate areas where the people can live apart from each other. Get the whole damn mess over with.

The problem in Your argument is that it applies to Spain,
but reaches for OPPOSITE conclusions.
For real I wouldn't care about Spain's internal issues, if You weren't expecting, or even forcing, us to do what is deemed unexceptionable to You.

I can rewrite Your whole post to fit Spain almost to the letter, but I hope we can start discussing the issue more honestly. Really I'm not here to attack Spain,I'm just astonished at the double standard.

If Israel was to recognize an ISIS capital in Madrid You'd go nuts, even if they were to become more "moderate", but for some reason You have the audacity to suggest the same for the Jews.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There's no issue of "Muslim colonization" in Spain.

In Israel Jews and Muslims live close together. In Spain they don't.

Muslims Demand Right to Return to Spain
Following the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, a number of Muslim groups are now demanding similar grace for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

In the interest of equality, the Muslim supporters say that they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

However, historians state that the Jews were in Spain before the Christians, and so their expulsion was on the grounds of bigotry, whereas the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language, and so their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.
(emphasis mine)

Well, not really.

The Jews were a part of Spain before the invasion of the Moors and then were kicked out after the Moors were defeated.

The Moors and the Spanish fought a war and the Spanish won.

Also the Sephardic Jews speak a form of Spanish. The Muslims don't.

The Muslims have no connection with Spain at all, other than they want EU citizenship.

Jews were part of Israel for 2000 years before Muslims invaded and colonized the land.
Forced their culture down peoples' throats, tried to expelled Jews from their holy cities.
The Muslims and Jews fought a war - Jews won a tiny sliver of their land, the bigger portion of which remained under control of an Arabian king.

Muslims in Israel are not readily learning Hebrew, many don't know more than few words.
Muslims have no connection to Israel at all, other than having colonized it like Spain and wanting Israeli citizenship.

Yet Spain demands a Muslim state in Israel, in Jerusalem, and to flood it with millions of hostile Muslims who not only don't want to integrate - but openly advocate the destruction of that country.

Q. Do Spaniards think Jews are made from a different material, why the double standard?

The problem with your argument is that Muslims do have a connection with Israel. Many Muslims are Israeli citizens. And many were there when Israel was made a country.

Yes, Muslims came in to what is now Palestine/Israel and invaded. But they're still there. The Spanish are still there. The Moors aren't. Very few Jewish people were left a hundred and something years ago. Those Jews that are there now are people who have emigrated away from wherever it was they came from.

Is there double standards? Often when it comes to the Israel/Palestine issue the Spanish have kept to the line that prevents anyone criticizing them for wanting to keep Catalonia and the Basque Country in Spain.

But the problems in Palestine/Israel are different to anywhere else. Neither side wants peace there, so the only rational thing would seem to have two separate areas where the people can live apart from each other. Get the whole damn mess over with.

The problem in Your argument is that it applies to Spain,
but reaches for OPPOSITE conclusions.
For real I wouldn't care about Spain's internal issues, if You weren't expecting, or even forcing, us to do what is deemed unexceptionable to You.

I can rewrite Your whole post to fit Spain almost to the letter, but I hope we can start discussing the issue more honestly. Really I'm not here to attack Spain,I'm just astonished at the double standard.

If Israel was to recognize an ISIS capital in Madrid You'd go nuts, even if they were to become more "moderate", but for some reason You have the audacity to suggest the same for the Jews.

And again, there's a big difference between an ISIS capital in Madrid, a place which is not know for members of ISIS living there, and Palestine/Israel which is know for a lot of Palestinian Muslims living there, and for a long time too.

So stop trying to make shit fit that doesn't fit.

 

[rylah]

Muslims Demand Right to Return to Spain
Following the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, a number of Muslim groups are now demanding similar grace for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

In the interest of equality, the Muslim supporters say that they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

However, historians state that the Jews were in Spain before the Christians, and so their expulsion was on the grounds of bigotry, whereas the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language, and so their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.
(emphasis mine)

Well, not really.

The Jews were a part of Spain before the invasion of the Moors and then were kicked out after the Moors were defeated.

The Moors and the Spanish fought a war and the Spanish won.

Also the Sephardic Jews speak a form of Spanish. The Muslims don't.

The Muslims have no connection with Spain at all, other than they want EU citizenship.

Jews were part of Israel for 2000 years before Muslims invaded and colonized the land.
Forced their culture down peoples' throats, tried to expelled Jews from their holy cities.
The Muslims and Jews fought a war - Jews won a tiny sliver of their land, the bigger portion of which remained under control of an Arabian king.

Muslims in Israel are not readily learning Hebrew, many don't know more than few words.
Muslims have no connection to Israel at all, other than having colonized it like Spain and wanting Israeli citizenship.

Yet Spain demands a Muslim state in Israel, in Jerusalem, and to flood it with millions of hostile Muslims who not only don't want to integrate - but openly advocate the destruction of that country.

Q. Do Spaniards think Jews are made from a different material, why the double standard?

The problem with your argument is that Muslims do have a connection with Israel. Many Muslims are Israeli citizens. And many were there when Israel was made a country.

Yes, Muslims came in to what is now Palestine/Israel and invaded. But they're still there. The Spanish are still there. The Moors aren't. Very few Jewish people were left a hundred and something years ago. Those Jews that are there now are people who have emigrated away from wherever it was they came from.

Is there double standards? Often when it comes to the Israel/Palestine issue the Spanish have kept to the line that prevents anyone criticizing them for wanting to keep Catalonia and the Basque Country in Spain.

But the problems in Palestine/Israel are different to anywhere else. Neither side wants peace there, so the only rational thing would seem to have two separate areas where the people can live apart from each other. Get the whole damn mess over with.

The problem in Your argument is that it applies to Spain,
but reaches for OPPOSITE conclusions.
For real I wouldn't care about Spain's internal issues, if You weren't expecting, or even forcing, us to do what is deemed unexceptionable to You.

I can rewrite Your whole post to fit Spain almost to the letter, but I hope we can start discussing the issue more honestly. Really I'm not here to attack Spain,I'm just astonished at the double standard.

If Israel was to recognize an ISIS capital in Madrid You'd go nuts, even if they were to become more "moderate", but for some reason You have the audacity to suggest the same for the Jews.

And again, there's a big difference between an ISIS capital in Madrid, a place which is not know for members of ISIS living there, and Palestine/Israel which is know for a lot of Palestinian Muslims living there, and for a long time too.

So stop trying to make shit fit that doesn't fit.

Arabs in Spain
Los árabes en España
Total population
702,000[1][2] lower estimate and higher estimate 1,600,000 - 1,800,000[3][4][5][6]

There have been Arabs in Spain (Spanish: Los árabes en España) since the early 8th century when the Umayyad conquest of Hispania created the state of Al-Andalus. In modern times there are expatriates from a range of Arab countries, particularly Morocco, Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, Algeria, Lebanon, Syria, the Palestinian Territories, and Iraq; and also small groups from Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Jordan and Sudan. As a result of the Arab Spring (Libyan Civil War and Syrian Civil War), many have the status of refugees or illegal immigrants, trying to immigrate especially to France, Germany and Sweden. The Arab population in Spain is estimated to be between 702,000[7][8] (lower estimate) and 1,600,000 - 1,800,000[9][10][11][12] (higher estimate).

Throughout modern history there has always been a constant presence of Muslims in Spain, many of which were former slaves (known as 'moros cortados') freed in the early 18th century. Furthermore, Spain's proximity to North Africa and its small land border with the Kingdom of Morocco (as well as a colonial presence in North Africa lasting between 1912 and 1975) made Muslim presence in Spain possible. Moroccan Muslims played a significant role in Spain's Civil War (1936-1939), fighting on the National side, including a Lieutenant General Mohamed Meziane, a close friend of General Francisco Franco, who later became Captain General of Ceuta, Galicia and the Canary Islands during his post-war career.
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Arab Muslims have been living continuously in Spain since about the same time that they've colonized Israel. To say that the Caliphate was not known to live in Madrid is quiet disingenuous of common historic knowledge - the Caliphate today demands Spain exactly on that basis. Arabs in Israel are no different story.

Q. Where's the difference?

 

[Indeependent]

Spanish Foreign Minister: Recognition of a Palestinian state is on the table
Spain will allocate a timetable to the EU to reach a consensus on recognition of a Palestinian state and then take a decision.

Spanish Foreign Minister Gozsef Borel confirmed on Tuesday that recognition of a Palestinian state is "on the table" of the government. The minister announced his intention to launch an "intensive process" of consultations with his European counterparts, while setting a timetable for reaching a common position.

If at the end of the timetable there is no consensus formula, he added, each EU member will have to adopt an independent decision. Although the minister did not determine what the Sephardi position would be in such a case, he hinted at a tendency to recognize a Palestinian state when he mentioned that Sweden had already taken this step in 2014. Other EU members also recognize a Palestinian state (Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Malta and Cyprus), although most did so before entering the EU.
Borrell: “El reconocimiento del Estado palestino está sobre la mesa”

Now if we compared Spain's position on it's own contested territories we stumble upon something quiet revealing - it repeats Israels' arguments to the letter when dealing with the same dangers to it's security and self determination. But with a BIG difference - Spain also lays claims to own lands of a different continent.


What's With Those Spanish Enclaves in North Africa?
Why does Spain have cities in Africa?
It's had them for hundreds of years and won't give them up. The two enclaves—Ceuta and Melilla—have been under Spanish control for more than 400 years. Located on the African side of the Strait of Gibraltar, the cities offered protection for Spanish ships and provided posts for trading between Europe and Africa. In the 1930s, Franco launched his civil war campaign from the Spanish North African cities. When Morocco gained independence in 1956, Spain refused to give them up.

The Moroccans have long contested the ownership of Ceuta and Melilla (and a number of nearby Spanish islands). To make matters more complicated, Spain has argued that it should also own the British colony at Gibraltar—which is just across the strait from Ceuta. This apparent double standard has led to some criticism of the Spanish position: Spain responds by saying that Ceuta and Melilla aren't "colonies" since Spaniards have been living there since before Morocco even existed. (emphasis mine)


Muslims Demand Right to Return to Spain
Following the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, a number of Muslim groups are now demanding similar grace for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

In the interest of equality, the Muslim supporters say that they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

However, historians state that the Jews were in Spain before the Christians, and so their expulsion was on the grounds of bigotry, whereas the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language, and so their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.
(emphasis mine)

I think Israel has an opportunity to make this self defeating tactic run its' course and make counter resolutions to the UN demanding:

1. "Right of Return" for all expelled Muslims, as well as separate resolutions for;
2. "Decolonization and Removal of all Spaniards from Arab lands".
3. "Ultimatum on recognition of Catalonian and Morrocan independence".

Just to see how this hamster runs against itself...

There will never be peace in the “holy” land. Don’t know what Spain’s trying to do here.

THEN THE NON JEW ZIONISTS SHOULD F OFF THEN,WE WILL HAVE PEACE

Sure, just expel the Jews from here,
and expel the Spaniards from there...

Here's a suggestion - hold Your breath until Muslims have peace with other Muslims.
And then a bit more until they allow a single nation they've conquered, to develop into this century.

As if the Jews weren't devoded into ten different religious groups...

Who don’t murder each other.

 

[Wreeworld]

Spanish Foreign Minister: Recognition of a Palestinian state is on the table
Spain will allocate a timetable to the EU to reach a consensus on recognition of a Palestinian state and then take a decision.

Spanish Foreign Minister Gozsef Borel confirmed on Tuesday that recognition of a Palestinian state is "on the table" of the government. The minister announced his intention to launch an "intensive process" of consultations with his European counterparts, while setting a timetable for reaching a common position.

If at the end of the timetable there is no consensus formula, he added, each EU member will have to adopt an independent decision. Although the minister did not determine what the Sephardi position would be in such a case, he hinted at a tendency to recognize a Palestinian state when he mentioned that Sweden had already taken this step in 2014. Other EU members also recognize a Palestinian state (Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Malta and Cyprus), although most did so before entering the EU.

Now if we compared Spain's position on it's own contested territories we stumble upon something quiet revealing - it repeats Israels' arguments to the letter when dealing with the same dangers to it's security and self determination. But with a BIG difference - Spain also lays claims to own lands of a different continent.

Why does Spain have cities in Africa?
It's had them for hundreds of years and won't give them up. The two enclaves—cruta and Melilla—have been under Spanish control for more than 400 years. Located on ......of the Strait of Gibraltar, the cities offered protection for Spanish ships and provided posts for trading between Europe and Africa. In the 1930s, Franco launched his civil war campaign from the Spanish North African cities. When Morocco gained independence in 1956, Spain refused to give them up.

The Moroccans have long contested the ownership of Ceuta and Melilla (and a number of nearby Spanish islands). To make matters more complicated, Spain has argued that it .......the British colony at Gibraltar—which is just across the strait from Ceuta. This apparent double standard has led to some criticism of ...... . Spain responds by saying that Ceuta and Melilla aren't "colonies" since Spaniards have been living there since before Morocco even existed. (emphasis mine)

Following the recent approval of a law that would grant spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from spain in 1492, a number of Muslim groups are now demanding similar grace for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from spain during the Middle Ages.

In the interest of equality, the Muslim supporters say that they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from spain under similar historical circumstances.

However, historians state that the Jews were in spain before the Christians, and so their expulsion was on the grounds of bigotry, whereas the Muslims in spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language, and so their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.
(emphasis mine)

I think Israel has an opportunity to make this self defeating tactic run its' course and make counter resolutions to the UN demanding:

1. "Right of Return" for all expelled Muslims, as well as separate resolutions for;
2. "Decolonization and Removal of all Spaniards from Arab lands".
3. "Ultimatum on recognition of Catalonian and Morrocan independence".

Just to see how this hamster runs against itself...

There will never be peace in the “holy” land. Don’t know what Spain’s trying to do here.

THEN THE NON JEW ZIONISTS SHOULD F OFF THEN,WE WILL HAVE PEACE

Sure, just expel the Jews from here,
and expel the Spaniards from there...

Here's a suggestion - hold Your breath until Muslims have peace with other Muslims.
And then a bit more until they allow a single nation they've conquered, to develop into this century.

As if the Jews weren't devoded into ten different religious groups...

Who don’t murder each other.

Driving another to suicide is murder.

 

[Indeependent]

There will never be peace in the “holy” land. Don’t know what Spain’s trying to do here.

THEN THE NON JEW ZIONISTS SHOULD F OFF THEN,WE WILL HAVE PEACE

Sure, just expel the Jews from here,
and expel the Spaniards from there...

Here's a suggestion - hold Your breath until Muslims have peace with other Muslims.
And then a bit more until they allow a single nation they've conquered, to develop into this century.

As if the Jews weren't devoded into ten different religious groups...

Who don’t murder each other.

Driving another to suicide is murder.

Can you be specific?
I am an Observant Jew and I have zero idea what you are referring to.

 

[Wreeworld]

THEN THE NON JEW ZIONISTS SHOULD F OFF THEN,WE WILL HAVE PEACE

Sure, just expel the Jews from here,
and expel the Spaniards from there...

Here's a suggestion - hold Your breath until Muslims have peace with other Muslims.
And then a bit more until they allow a single nation they've conquered, to develop into this century.

As if the Jews weren't devoded into ten different religious groups...

Who don’t murder each other.

Driving another to suicide is murder.

Can you be specific?
I am an Observant Jew and I have zero idea what you are referring to.

I'm talking abput the tyranny that goes on within jewish societies behind closed doors.

 

[Indeependent]

Sure, just expel the Jews from here,
and expel the Spaniards from there...

Here's a suggestion - hold Your breath until Muslims have peace with other Muslims.
And then a bit more until they allow a single nation they've conquered, to develop into this century.

As if the Jews weren't devoded into ten different religious groups...

Who don’t murder each other.

Driving another to suicide is murder.

Can you be specific?
I am an Observant Jew and I have zero idea what you are referring to.

I'm talking abput the tyranny that goes on within jewish societies behind closed doors.

Please elaborate as I know Jews from every spectrum, from completley unaffiliated to Chassidim.

 

[rylah]

frigidweirdo

• Spain can have colonies in Africa - Israel will be condemned for building a neighborhood in Judea.
• Spain can refuse Muslim 'returnees' on the basis of cultural preservance - the world demands millions of Muslims to flood Israel and silent about the same issue in Spain.
• Spain can demand an Arab state in Israel - but won't even give Catalonia independence, and would lead an army against any Arab state inside its' country.
• Spain decolonizes the Caliphate - demands its' remnant establishment in Israel.

Q. Should I pretend this doesn't stink like what it is?

How about Israel demands:

1. "Right of Return" for all expelled Andalusian Muslims, as well as separate resolutions for;
2. "Decolonization and Removal of all Spaniards from Arab lands".
3. "Ultimatum on recognition of Catalonian and Morrocan independence".

Q. That would be fair right?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well, not really.

The Jews were a part of Spain before the invasion of the Moors and then were kicked out after the Moors were defeated.

The Moors and the Spanish fought a war and the Spanish won.

Also the Sephardic Jews speak a form of Spanish. The Muslims don't.

The Muslims have no connection with Spain at all, other than they want EU citizenship.

Jews were part of Israel for 2000 years before Muslims invaded and colonized the land.
Forced their culture down peoples' throats, tried to expelled Jews from their holy cities.
The Muslims and Jews fought a war - Jews won a tiny sliver of their land, the bigger portion of which remained under control of an Arabian king.

Muslims in Israel are not readily learning Hebrew, many don't know more than few words.
Muslims have no connection to Israel at all, other than having colonized it like Spain and wanting Israeli citizenship.

Yet Spain demands a Muslim state in Israel, in Jerusalem, and to flood it with millions of hostile Muslims who not only don't want to integrate - but openly advocate the destruction of that country.

Q. Do Spaniards think Jews are made from a different material, why the double standard?

The problem with your argument is that Muslims do have a connection with Israel. Many Muslims are Israeli citizens. And many were there when Israel was made a country.

Yes, Muslims came in to what is now Palestine/Israel and invaded. But they're still there. The Spanish are still there. The Moors aren't. Very few Jewish people were left a hundred and something years ago. Those Jews that are there now are people who have emigrated away from wherever it was they came from.

Is there double standards? Often when it comes to the Israel/Palestine issue the Spanish have kept to the line that prevents anyone criticizing them for wanting to keep Catalonia and the Basque Country in Spain.

But the problems in Palestine/Israel are different to anywhere else. Neither side wants peace there, so the only rational thing would seem to have two separate areas where the people can live apart from each other. Get the whole damn mess over with.

The problem in Your argument is that it applies to Spain,
but reaches for OPPOSITE conclusions.
For real I wouldn't care about Spain's internal issues, if You weren't expecting, or even forcing, us to do what is deemed unexceptionable to You.

I can rewrite Your whole post to fit Spain almost to the letter, but I hope we can start discussing the issue more honestly. Really I'm not here to attack Spain,I'm just astonished at the double standard.

If Israel was to recognize an ISIS capital in Madrid You'd go nuts, even if they were to become more "moderate", but for some reason You have the audacity to suggest the same for the Jews.

And again, there's a big difference between an ISIS capital in Madrid, a place which is not know for members of ISIS living there, and Palestine/Israel which is know for a lot of Palestinian Muslims living there, and for a long time too.

So stop trying to make shit fit that doesn't fit.

Arabs in Spain
Los árabes en España
Total population
702,000[1][2] lower estimate and higher estimate 1,600,000 - 1,800,000[3][4][5][6]

There have been Arabs in Spain (Spanish: Los árabes en España) since the early 8th century when the Umayyad conquest of Hispania created the state of Al-Andalus. In modern times there are expatriates from a range of Arab countries, particularly Morocco, Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, Algeria, Lebanon, Syria, the Palestinian Territories, and Iraq; and also small groups from Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Jordan and Sudan. As a result of the Arab Spring (Libyan Civil War and Syrian Civil War), many have the status of refugees or illegal immigrants, trying to immigrate especially to France, Germany and Sweden. The Arab population in Spain is estimated to be between 702,000[7][8] (lower estimate) and 1,600,000 - 1,800,000[9][10][11][12] (higher estimate).

Throughout modern history there has always been a constant presence of Muslims in Spain, many of which were former slaves (known as 'moros cortados') freed in the early 18th century. Furthermore, Spain's proximity to North Africa and its small land border with the Kingdom of Morocco (as well as a colonial presence in North Africa lasting between 1912 and 1975) made Muslim presence in Spain possible. Moroccan Muslims played a significant role in Spain's Civil War (1936-1939), fighting on the National side, including a Lieutenant General Mohamed Meziane, a close friend of General Francisco Franco, who later became Captain General of Ceuta, Galicia and the Canary Islands during his post-war career.
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Arab Muslims have been living continuously in Spain since about the same time that they've colonized Israel. To say that the Caliphate was not known to live in Madrid is quiet disingenuous of common historic knowledge - the Caliphate today demands Spain exactly on that basis. Arabs in Israel are no different story.

Q. Where's the difference?

You're searching for shit that isn't there. I can't be bothered to keep on battering down your stuff every time only for you to come back with more nonsense.

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

That is nit of any interest to me, love♡

Pity, and I thought we were getting a great deal.
Ok I can suffice with half of London, if You have to be sooo much picky... '

Your argumentation failes you again, love.

I see You don't like my generous offers
So which part of Spain are You willing to give to their Palestinians?

Their palestinians?

Would you like me to send you the hair on my left big toe or the right one?

Every independent country that was colonized by Muslims has 'their Palestinians' demanding to return.
Greece, Spain, Israel are not jumping on the opportunity for some reason.

Wonder why?

That compairson makes no sense. Israel is palestinian's (maybe not all of it but some of it)

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

frigidweirdo

• Spain can have colonies in Africa - Israel will be condemned for building a neighborhood in Judea.
• Spain can refuse Muslim 'returnees' on the basis of cultural preservance - the world demands millions of Muslims to flood Israel and silent about the same issue in Spain.
• Spain can demand an Arab state in Israel - but won't even give Catalonia independence, and would lead an army against any Arab state inside its' country.
• Spain decolonizes the Caliphate - demands its' remnant establishment in Israel.

Q. Should I pretend this doesn't stink like what it is?

How about Israel demands:

1. "Right of Return" for all expelled Andalusian Muslims, as well as separate resolutions for;
2. "Decolonization and Removal of all Spaniards from Arab lands".
3. "Ultimatum on recognition of Catalonian and Morrocan independence".

Q. That would be fair right?

What are Israel demands?

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

Except that there are two completely different situations. So.....

In what way different?
Both Spain and Israel use virtually the same arguments and language to address the same issues of Muslim colonization.

There's no issue of "Muslim colonization" in Spain.

In Israel Jews and Muslims live close together. In Spain they don't.

Muslims Demand Right to Return to Spain
Following the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, a number of Muslim groups are now demanding similar grace for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

In the interest of equality, the Muslim supporters say that they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

However, historians state that the Jews were in Spain before the Christians, and so their expulsion was on the grounds of bigotry, whereas the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language, and so their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.
(emphasis mine)

Well, not really.

The Jews were a part of Spain before the invasion of the Moors and then were kicked out after the Moors were defeated.

The Moors and the Spanish fought a war and the Spanish won.

Also the Sephardic Jews speak a form of Spanish. The Muslims don't.

The Muslims have no connection with Spain at all, other than they want EU citizenship.

Jews were part of Israel for 2000 years before Muslims invaded and colonized the land.
Forced their culture down peoples' throats, tried to expelled Jews from their holy cities.
The Muslims and Jews fought a war - Jews won a tiny sliver of their land, the bigger portion of which remained under control of an Arabian king.

Muslims in Israel are not readily learning Hebrew, many don't know more than few words, Arabic is a foreign language in this land, they shoved it into every society they've colonized.
Muslims have no connection to Israel at all, other than having invaded it like Spain and wanting an Israeli citizenship (without the Israelis).

Yet Spain demands a Muslim state in Israel, in Jerusalem, and to flood it with millions of hostile defeated Muslims who not only don't want to integrate - but openly advocate the destruction of that country.

Q. Do Spaniards think Jews are made from a different material, why the double standard?

You are hilarious my lady, but you're late.

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

Typical of someone like you who hates Europe for an unannounced reason to blame it on individual actions that have nothing to do with it and that are even critizised by it.

 

[rylah]

Pity, and I thought we were getting a great deal.
Ok I can suffice with half of London, if You have to be sooo much picky... '

Your argumentation failes you again, love.

I see You don't like my generous offers
So which part of Spain are You willing to give to their Palestinians?

Their palestinians?

Would you like me to send you the hair on my left big toe or the right one?

Every independent country that was colonized by Muslims has 'their Palestinians' demanding to return.
Greece, Spain, Israel are not jumping on the opportunity for some reason.

Wonder why?

That compairson makes no sense. Israel is palestinian's (maybe not all of it but some of it)

Both Spain and Greece were colonized by Muslim invaders.
The Greek-Turkish war was one of the initial inspirations for the Jewish liberation movement.

You just want to apply a different standard for Jew.

 

[rylah]

In what way different?
Both Spain and Israel use virtually the same arguments and language to address the same issues of Muslim colonization.

There's no issue of "Muslim colonization" in Spain.

In Israel Jews and Muslims live close together. In Spain they don't.

Muslims Demand Right to Return to Spain
Following the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, a number of Muslim groups are now demanding similar grace for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

In the interest of equality, the Muslim supporters say that they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

However, historians state that the Jews were in Spain before the Christians, and so their expulsion was on the grounds of bigotry, whereas the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language, and so their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.
(emphasis mine)

Well, not really.

The Jews were a part of Spain before the invasion of the Moors and then were kicked out after the Moors were defeated.

The Moors and the Spanish fought a war and the Spanish won.

Also the Sephardic Jews speak a form of Spanish. The Muslims don't.

The Muslims have no connection with Spain at all, other than they want EU citizenship.

Jews were part of Israel for 2000 years before Muslims invaded and colonized the land.
Forced their culture down peoples' throats, tried to expelled Jews from their holy cities.
The Muslims and Jews fought a war - Jews won a tiny sliver of their land, the bigger portion of which remained under control of an Arabian king.

Muslims in Israel are not readily learning Hebrew, many don't know more than few words, Arabic is a foreign language in this land, they shoved it into every society they've colonized.
Muslims have no connection to Israel at all, other than having invaded it like Spain and wanting an Israeli citizenship (without the Israelis).

Yet Spain demands a Muslim state in Israel, in Jerusalem, and to flood it with millions of hostile defeated Muslims who not only don't want to integrate - but openly advocate the destruction of that country.

Q. Do Spaniards think Jews are made from a different material, why the double standard?

You are hilarious my lady, but you're late.

We're late to decolonize the Caliphate?

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

Your argumentation failes you again, love.

I see You don't like my generous offers
So which part of Spain are You willing to give to their Palestinians?

Their palestinians?

Would you like me to send you the hair on my left big toe or the right one?

Every independent country that was colonized by Muslims has 'their Palestinians' demanding to return.
Greece, Spain, Israel are not jumping on the opportunity for some reason.

Wonder why?

That compairson makes no sense. Israel is palestinian's (maybe not all of it but some of it)

Both Spain and Greece were colonized by Muslim invaders.
The Greek-Turkish war was one of the initial inspirations for the Jewish liberation movement.

You just want to apply a different standard for Jew.

I don't see how that correlates with my post.

 

[rylah]

I see You don't like my generous offers
So which part of Spain are You willing to give to their Palestinians?

Their palestinians?

Would you like me to send you the hair on my left big toe or the right one?

Every independent country that was colonized by Muslims has 'their Palestinians' demanding to return.
Greece, Spain, Israel are not jumping on the opportunity for some reason.

Wonder why?

That compairson makes no sense. Israel is palestinian's (maybe not all of it but some of it)

Both Spain and Greece were colonized by Muslim invaders.
The Greek-Turkish war was one of the initial inspirations for the Jewish liberation movement.

You just want to apply a different standard for Jew.

I don't see how that correlates with my post.

Greece was colonized by Muslim invaders.
Spain was colonized by Muslim invaders.
Israel was colonized by Muslim invaders.

All 3 followed the same pattern in liberating their lands - only Jews are singled out for that, and expected to reverse the results.

 

[rylah]

Typical of someone like you who hates Europe for an unannounced reason to blame it on individual actions that have nothing to do with it and that are even critizised by it.

No hate, I merely say Spain should enlighten us and lead by example -

1. Recognition of Morocco's independence in contested areas.
2. Removal of all Spaniards from "Arab lands"
3. "Right of Return" to all expelled Muslims who's descendants were expelled from Spain.

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

Typical of someone like you who hates Europe for an unannounced reason to blame it on individual actions that have nothing to do with it and that are even critizised by it.

No hate, I merely say Spain should enlighten us and lead by example -

1. Right of Return to Muslims,
2. Removal of all Spaniards from "Arab lands"
3. Recognition of Morocco's independence in contested areas.

K