Spanish ultimatum - European hypocrisy at its best

[rylah]

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The PSOE are different. No, they've never granted independence to any part of Spain, however they're more likely to accept talks with those parts that do want independence.

Negotiate this: "From the Ocean to the Sea - Al-Andalus will be free".

Bargaining chips? How about dividing Madrid?

What?

I lived in Andalucia and their "independence movement" isn't really an independence movement, it's more just "we're from Andalucia and we want our identity". Nothing more.

Catalonia and the Basque country are the ones who really want independence. Mainly because they're rich enough to know they can go it alone.

Why would you divide Madrid? This makes no sense.

INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT?!
Then be polite and return Madrid to the Caliphate, show us by example.
Take the medicine You offer Israel - then we can see if that makes sense in practice.

Why don't You?

 

[rylah]

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The PSOE are different. No, they've never granted independence to any part of Spain, however they're more likely to accept talks with those parts that do want independence.

Negotiate this: "From the Ocean to the Sea - Al-Andalus will be free".

Bargaining chips? How about dividing Madrid?

Nice poem.

Ain't that a wonderful tune...
could be performed by the Beatles, preferably in the UN : "we all live in a Muslim colony, Muslim colony, Muslim colony". Let's hear the Yankee version of that jingle:

Spanish Muslim Migration to the Americas Before Columbus - Abdullah Hakim


"Just solution" for the occupation of Arab lands in Milwaukee, is an "inalienable natural right" the US can't refuse in anyway, if they want peace of course. Don't blame me for being equally fair.

 

[frigidweirdo]

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The PSOE are different. No, they've never granted independence to any part of Spain, however they're more likely to accept talks with those parts that do want independence.

Negotiate this: "From the Ocean to the Sea - Al-Andalus will be free".

Bargaining chips? How about dividing Madrid?

What?

I lived in Andalucia and their "independence movement" isn't really an independence movement, it's more just "we're from Andalucia and we want our identity". Nothing more.

Catalonia and the Basque country are the ones who really want independence. Mainly because they're rich enough to know they can go it alone.

Why would you divide Madrid? This makes no sense.

INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT?!
Then be polite and return Madrid to the Caliphate, show us by example.
Take the medicine You offer Israel - then we can see if that makes sense in practice.

Why don't You?

Except that there are two completely different situations. So.....

 

[theliq]

Spanish Foreign Minister: Recognition of a Palestinian state is on the table
Spain will allocate a timetable to the EU to reach a consensus on recognition of a Palestinian state and then take a decision.

Spanish Foreign Minister Gozsef Borel confirmed on Tuesday that recognition of a Palestinian state is "on the table" of the government. The minister announced his intention to launch an "intensive process" of consultations with his European counterparts, while setting a timetable for reaching a common position.

If at the end of the timetable there is no consensus formula, he added, each EU member will have to adopt an independent decision. Although the minister did not determine what the Sephardi position would be in such a case, he hinted at a tendency to recognize a Palestinian state when he mentioned that Sweden had already taken this step in 2014. Other EU members also recognize a Palestinian state (Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Malta and Cyprus), although most did so before entering the EU.
Borrell: “El reconocimiento del Estado palestino está sobre la mesa”

Now if we compared Spain's position on it's own contested territories we stumble upon something quiet revealing - it repeats Israels' arguments to the letter when dealing with the same dangers to it's security and self determination. But with a BIG difference - Spain also lays claims to own lands of a different continent.


What's With Those Spanish Enclaves in North Africa?
Why does Spain have cities in Africa?
It's had them for hundreds of years and won't give them up. The two enclaves—Ceuta and Melilla—have been under Spanish control for more than 400 years. Located on the African side of the Strait of Gibraltar, the cities offered protection for Spanish ships and provided posts for trading between Europe and Africa. In the 1930s, Franco launched his civil war campaign from the Spanish North African cities. When Morocco gained independence in 1956, Spain refused to give them up.

The Moroccans have long contested the ownership of Ceuta and Melilla (and a number of nearby Spanish islands). To make matters more complicated, Spain has argued that it should also own the British colony at Gibraltar—which is just across the strait from Ceuta. This apparent double standard has led to some criticism of the Spanish position: Spain responds by saying that Ceuta and Melilla aren't "colonies" since Spaniards have been living there since before Morocco even existed. (emphasis mine)


Muslims Demand Right to Return to Spain
Following the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, a number of Muslim groups are now demanding similar grace for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

In the interest of equality, the Muslim supporters say that they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

However, historians state that the Jews were in Spain before the Christians, and so their expulsion was on the grounds of bigotry, whereas the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language, and so their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.
(emphasis mine)

I think Israel has an opportunity to make this self defeating tactic run its' course and make counter resolutions to the UN demanding:

1. "Right of Return" for all expelled Muslims, as well as separate resolutions for;
2. "Decolonization and Removal of all Spaniards from Arab lands".
3. "Ultimatum on recognition of Catalonian and Morrocan independence".

Just to see how this hamster runs against itself...

There will never be peace in the “holy” land. Don’t know what Spain’s trying to do here.

THEN THE NON JEW ZIONISTS SHOULD F OFF THEN,WE WILL HAVE PEACE

 

[rylah]

.

The PSOE are different. No, they've never granted independence to any part of Spain, however they're more likely to accept talks with those parts that do want independence.

Negotiate this: "From the Ocean to the Sea - Al-Andalus will be free".

Bargaining chips? How about dividing Madrid?

What?

I lived in Andalucia and their "independence movement" isn't really an independence movement, it's more just "we're from Andalucia and we want our identity". Nothing more.

Catalonia and the Basque country are the ones who really want independence. Mainly because they're rich enough to know they can go it alone.

Why would you divide Madrid? This makes no sense.

INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT?!
Then be polite and return Madrid to the Caliphate, show us by example.
Take the medicine You offer Israel - then we can see if that makes sense in practice.

Why don't You?

Except that there are two completely different situations. So.....

In what way different?
Both Spain and Israel use virtually the same arguments and language to address the same issues of Muslim colonization.

 

[rylah]

Spanish Foreign Minister: Recognition of a Palestinian state is on the table
Spain will allocate a timetable to the EU to reach a consensus on recognition of a Palestinian state and then take a decision.

Spanish Foreign Minister Gozsef Borel confirmed on Tuesday that recognition of a Palestinian state is "on the table" of the government. The minister announced his intention to launch an "intensive process" of consultations with his European counterparts, while setting a timetable for reaching a common position.

If at the end of the timetable there is no consensus formula, he added, each EU member will have to adopt an independent decision. Although the minister did not determine what the Sephardi position would be in such a case, he hinted at a tendency to recognize a Palestinian state when he mentioned that Sweden had already taken this step in 2014. Other EU members also recognize a Palestinian state (Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Malta and Cyprus), although most did so before entering the EU.
Borrell: “El reconocimiento del Estado palestino está sobre la mesa”

Now if we compared Spain's position on it's own contested territories we stumble upon something quiet revealing - it repeats Israels' arguments to the letter when dealing with the same dangers to it's security and self determination. But with a BIG difference - Spain also lays claims to own lands of a different continent.


What's With Those Spanish Enclaves in North Africa?
Why does Spain have cities in Africa?
It's had them for hundreds of years and won't give them up. The two enclaves—Ceuta and Melilla—have been under Spanish control for more than 400 years. Located on the African side of the Strait of Gibraltar, the cities offered protection for Spanish ships and provided posts for trading between Europe and Africa. In the 1930s, Franco launched his civil war campaign from the Spanish North African cities. When Morocco gained independence in 1956, Spain refused to give them up.

The Moroccans have long contested the ownership of Ceuta and Melilla (and a number of nearby Spanish islands). To make matters more complicated, Spain has argued that it should also own the British colony at Gibraltar—which is just across the strait from Ceuta. This apparent double standard has led to some criticism of the Spanish position: Spain responds by saying that Ceuta and Melilla aren't "colonies" since Spaniards have been living there since before Morocco even existed. (emphasis mine)


Muslims Demand Right to Return to Spain
Following the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, a number of Muslim groups are now demanding similar grace for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

In the interest of equality, the Muslim supporters say that they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

However, historians state that the Jews were in Spain before the Christians, and so their expulsion was on the grounds of bigotry, whereas the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language, and so their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.
(emphasis mine)

I think Israel has an opportunity to make this self defeating tactic run its' course and make counter resolutions to the UN demanding:

1. "Right of Return" for all expelled Muslims, as well as separate resolutions for;
2. "Decolonization and Removal of all Spaniards from Arab lands".
3. "Ultimatum on recognition of Catalonian and Morrocan independence".

Just to see how this hamster runs against itself...

There will never be peace in the “holy” land. Don’t know what Spain’s trying to do here.

THEN THE NON JEW ZIONISTS SHOULD F OFF THEN,WE WILL HAVE PEACE

Sure, just expel the Jews from here,
and expel the Spaniards from there...

Here's a suggestion - hold Your breath until Muslims have peace with other Muslims.

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

Spanish Foreign Minister: Recognition of a Palestinian state is on the table
Spain will allocate a timetable to the EU to reach a consensus on recognition of a Palestinian state and then take a decision.

Spanish Foreign Minister Gozsef Borel confirmed on Tuesday that recognition of a Palestinian state is "on the table" of the government. The minister announced his intention to launch an "intensive process" of consultations with his European counterparts, while setting a timetable for reaching a common position.

If at the end of the timetable there is no consensus formula, he added, each EU member will have to adopt an independent decision. Although the minister did not determine what the Sephardi position would be in such a case, he hinted at a tendency to recognize a Palestinian state when he mentioned that Sweden had already taken this step in 2014. Other EU members also recognize a Palestinian state (Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Malta and Cyprus), although most did so before entering the EU.
Borrell: “El reconocimiento del Estado palestino está sobre la mesa”

Now if we compared Spain's position on it's own contested territories we stumble upon something quiet revealing - it repeats Israels' arguments to the letter when dealing with the same dangers to it's security and self determination. But with a BIG difference - Spain also lays claims to own lands of a different continent.


What's With Those Spanish Enclaves in North Africa?
Why does Spain have cities in Africa?
It's had them for hundreds of years and won't give them up. The two enclaves—Ceuta and Melilla—have been under Spanish control for more than 400 years. Located on the African side of the Strait of Gibraltar, the cities offered protection for Spanish ships and provided posts for trading between Europe and Africa. In the 1930s, Franco launched his civil war campaign from the Spanish North African cities. When Morocco gained independence in 1956, Spain refused to give them up.

The Moroccans have long contested the ownership of Ceuta and Melilla (and a number of nearby Spanish islands). To make matters more complicated, Spain has argued that it should also own the British colony at Gibraltar—which is just across the strait from Ceuta. This apparent double standard has led to some criticism of the Spanish position: Spain responds by saying that Ceuta and Melilla aren't "colonies" since Spaniards have been living there since before Morocco even existed. (emphasis mine)


Muslims Demand Right to Return to Spain
Following the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, a number of Muslim groups are now demanding similar grace for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

In the interest of equality, the Muslim supporters say that they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

However, historians state that the Jews were in Spain before the Christians, and so their expulsion was on the grounds of bigotry, whereas the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language, and so their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.
(emphasis mine)

I think Israel has an opportunity to make this self defeating tactic run its' course and make counter resolutions to the UN demanding:

1. "Right of Return" for all expelled Muslims, as well as separate resolutions for;
2. "Decolonization and Removal of all Spaniards from Arab lands".
3. "Ultimatum on recognition of Catalonian and Morrocan independence".

Just to see how this hamster runs against itself...

There will never be peace in the “holy” land. Don’t know what Spain’s trying to do here.

THEN THE NON JEW ZIONISTS SHOULD F OFF THEN,WE WILL HAVE PEACE

Sure, just expel the Jews from here,
and expel the Spaniards from there...

Here's a suggestion - hold Your breath until Muslims have peace with other Muslims.
And then a bit more until they allow a single nation they've conquered, to develop into this century.

As if the Jews weren't devoded into ten different religious groups...

 

[rylah]

Spanish Foreign Minister: Recognition of a Palestinian state is on the table
Spain will allocate a timetable to the EU to reach a consensus on recognition of a Palestinian state and then take a decision.

Spanish Foreign Minister Gozsef Borel confirmed on Tuesday that recognition of a Palestinian state is "on the table" of the government. The minister announced his intention to launch an "intensive process" of consultations with his European counterparts, while setting a timetable for reaching a common position.

If at the end of the timetable there is no consensus formula, he added, each EU member will have to adopt an independent decision. Although the minister did not determine what the Sephardi position would be in such a case, he hinted at a tendency to recognize a Palestinian state when he mentioned that Sweden had already taken this step in 2014. Other EU members also recognize a Palestinian state (Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Malta and Cyprus), although most did so before entering the EU.
Borrell: “El reconocimiento del Estado palestino está sobre la mesa”

Now if we compared Spain's position on it's own contested territories we stumble upon something quiet revealing - it repeats Israels' arguments to the letter when dealing with the same dangers to it's security and self determination. But with a BIG difference - Spain also lays claims to own lands of a different continent.


What's With Those Spanish Enclaves in North Africa?
Why does Spain have cities in Africa?
It's had them for hundreds of years and won't give them up. The two enclaves—Ceuta and Melilla—have been under Spanish control for more than 400 years. Located on the African side of the Strait of Gibraltar, the cities offered protection for Spanish ships and provided posts for trading between Europe and Africa. In the 1930s, Franco launched his civil war campaign from the Spanish North African cities. When Morocco gained independence in 1956, Spain refused to give them up.

The Moroccans have long contested the ownership of Ceuta and Melilla (and a number of nearby Spanish islands). To make matters more complicated, Spain has argued that it should also own the British colony at Gibraltar—which is just across the strait from Ceuta. This apparent double standard has led to some criticism of the Spanish position: Spain responds by saying that Ceuta and Melilla aren't "colonies" since Spaniards have been living there since before Morocco even existed. (emphasis mine)


Muslims Demand Right to Return to Spain
Following the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, a number of Muslim groups are now demanding similar grace for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

In the interest of equality, the Muslim supporters say that they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

However, historians state that the Jews were in Spain before the Christians, and so their expulsion was on the grounds of bigotry, whereas the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language, and so their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.
(emphasis mine)

I think Israel has an opportunity to make this self defeating tactic run its' course and make counter resolutions to the UN demanding:

1. "Right of Return" for all expelled Muslims, as well as separate resolutions for;
2. "Decolonization and Removal of all Spaniards from Arab lands".
3. "Ultimatum on recognition of Catalonian and Morrocan independence".

Just to see how this hamster runs against itself...

There will never be peace in the “holy” land. Don’t know what Spain’s trying to do here.

THEN THE NON JEW ZIONISTS SHOULD F OFF THEN,WE WILL HAVE PEACE

Sure, just expel the Jews from here,
and expel the Spaniards from there...

Here's a suggestion - hold Your breath until Muslims have peace with other Muslims.
And then a bit more until they allow a single nation they've conquered, to develop into this century.

As if the Jews weren't devoded into ten different religious groups...

Be my guest, make it 20 - yet cherished by Spain for their stability and creativity.
Q. How many consecutive years of peace can You count
between the Muslim nations among themselves?

 

[rylah]

There will never be peace in the “holy” land. Don’t know what Spain’s trying to do here.

THEN THE NON JEW ZIONISTS SHOULD F OFF THEN,WE WILL HAVE PEACE

Sure, just expel the Jews from here,
and expel the Spaniards from there...

Here's a suggestion - hold Your breath until Muslims have peace with other Muslims.
And then a bit more until they allow a single nation they've conquered, to develop into this century.

As if the Jews weren't devoded into ten different religious groups...

Be my guest, make it 20 - yet cherished by Spain for their stability and creativity.
Q. How many consecutive years of peace can You count
between the Muslim nations among themselves?

She cannot follow the topic.View attachment 218395

So couldn't find A SINGLE year of peace between Muslim nations?
Fascinating... guess that had nothing to do with Spain's denial of "return" to their version of 'Palestinians'.

 

[danielpalos]

Spanish Foreign Minister: Recognition of a Palestinian state is on the table
Spain will allocate a timetable to the EU to reach a consensus on recognition of a Palestinian state and then take a decision.

Spanish Foreign Minister Gozsef Borel confirmed on Tuesday that recognition of a Palestinian state is "on the table" of the government. The minister announced his intention to launch an "intensive process" of consultations with his European counterparts, while setting a timetable for reaching a common position.

If at the end of the timetable there is no consensus formula, he added, each EU member will have to adopt an independent decision. Although the minister did not determine what the Sephardi position would be in such a case, he hinted at a tendency to recognize a Palestinian state when he mentioned that Sweden had already taken this step in 2014. Other EU members also recognize a Palestinian state (Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Malta and Cyprus), although most did so before entering the EU.
Borrell: “El reconocimiento del Estado palestino está sobre la mesa”

Now if we compared Spain's position on it's own contested territories we stumble upon something quiet revealing - it repeats Israels' arguments to the letter when dealing with the same dangers to it's security and self determination. But with a BIG difference - Spain also lays claims to own lands of a different continent.


What's With Those Spanish Enclaves in North Africa?
Why does Spain have cities in Africa?
It's had them for hundreds of years and won't give them up. The two enclaves—Ceuta and Melilla—have been under Spanish control for more than 400 years. Located on the African side of the Strait of Gibraltar, the cities offered protection for Spanish ships and provided posts for trading between Europe and Africa. In the 1930s, Franco launched his civil war campaign from the Spanish North African cities. When Morocco gained independence in 1956, Spain refused to give them up.

The Moroccans have long contested the ownership of Ceuta and Melilla (and a number of nearby Spanish islands). To make matters more complicated, Spain has argued that it should also own the British colony at Gibraltar—which is just across the strait from Ceuta. This apparent double standard has led to some criticism of the Spanish position: Spain responds by saying that Ceuta and Melilla aren't "colonies" since Spaniards have been living there since before Morocco even existed. (emphasis mine)


Muslims Demand Right to Return to Spain
Following the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, a number of Muslim groups are now demanding similar grace for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

In the interest of equality, the Muslim supporters say that they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

However, historians state that the Jews were in Spain before the Christians, and so their expulsion was on the grounds of bigotry, whereas the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language, and so their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.
(emphasis mine)

I think Israel has an opportunity to make this self defeating tactic run its' course and make counter resolutions to the UN demanding:

1. "Right of Return" for all expelled Muslims, as well as separate resolutions for;
2. "Decolonization and Removal of all Spaniards from Arab lands".
3. "Ultimatum on recognition of Catalonian and Morrocan independence".

Just to see how this hamster runs against itself...

There will never be peace in the “holy” land. Don’t know what Spain’s trying to do here.

All they really need is a dey, to save the day. A deylicate of Palestine.

 

[rylah]

Sure, just expel the Jews from here,
and expel the Spaniards from there...

Here's a suggestion - hold Your breath until Muslims have peace with other Muslims.
And then a bit more until they allow a single nation they've conquered, to develop into this century.

As if the Jews weren't devoded into ten different religious groups...

Be my guest, make it 20 - yet cherished by Spain for their stability and creativity.
Q. How many consecutive years of peace can You count
between the Muslim nations among themselves?

She cannot follow the topic.View attachment 218395

So couldn't find A SINGLE year of peace between Muslim nations?
Fascinating... guess that had nothing to do with Spain's denial of "return".

That is nit of any interest to me, love♡

Pity, and I thought we were getting a great deal.
Ok I can suffice with half of London, if You have to be sooo much picky... '

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

As if the Jews weren't devoded into ten different religious groups...

Be my guest, make it 20 - yet cherished by Spain for their stability and creativity.
Q. How many consecutive years of peace can You count
between the Muslim nations among themselves?

She cannot follow the topic.View attachment 218395

So couldn't find A SINGLE year of peace between Muslim nations?
Fascinating... guess that had nothing to do with Spain's denial of "return".

That is nit of any interest to me, love♡

Pity, and I thought we were getting a great deal.
Ok I can suffice with half of London, if You have to be sooo much picky... '

Your argumentation failes you again, love.

 

[rylah]

Be my guest, make it 20 - yet cherished by Spain for their stability and creativity.
Q. How many consecutive years of peace can You count
between the Muslim nations among themselves?

She cannot follow the topic.View attachment 218395

So couldn't find A SINGLE year of peace between Muslim nations?
Fascinating... guess that had nothing to do with Spain's denial of "return".

That is nit of any interest to me, love♡

Pity, and I thought we were getting a great deal.
Ok I can suffice with half of London, if You have to be sooo much picky... '

Your argumentation failes you again, love.

I see You don't like my generous offers
So which part of Spain are You willing to give to their Palestinians?

 

[frigidweirdo]

.

The PSOE are different. No, they've never granted independence to any part of Spain, however they're more likely to accept talks with those parts that do want independence.

Negotiate this: "From the Ocean to the Sea - Al-Andalus will be free".

Bargaining chips? How about dividing Madrid?

What?

I lived in Andalucia and their "independence movement" isn't really an independence movement, it's more just "we're from Andalucia and we want our identity". Nothing more.

Catalonia and the Basque country are the ones who really want independence. Mainly because they're rich enough to know they can go it alone.

Why would you divide Madrid? This makes no sense.

INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT?!
Then be polite and return Madrid to the Caliphate, show us by example.
Take the medicine You offer Israel - then we can see if that makes sense in practice.

Why don't You?

Except that there are two completely different situations. So.....

In what way different?
Both Spain and Israel use virtually the same arguments and language to address the same issues of Muslim colonization.

There's no issue of "Muslim colonization" in Spain.

In Israel Jews and Muslims live close together. In Spain they don't.

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

She cannot follow the topic.View attachment 218395

So couldn't find A SINGLE year of peace between Muslim nations?
Fascinating... guess that had nothing to do with Spain's denial of "return".

That is nit of any interest to me, love♡

Pity, and I thought we were getting a great deal.
Ok I can suffice with half of London, if You have to be sooo much picky... '

Your argumentation failes you again, love.

I see You don't like my generous offers
So which part of Spain are You willing to give to their Palestinians?

Their palestinians?

Would you like me to send you the hair on my left big toe or the right one?

 

[rylah]

So couldn't find A SINGLE year of peace between Muslim nations?
Fascinating... guess that had nothing to do with Spain's denial of "return".

That is nit of any interest to me, love♡

Pity, and I thought we were getting a great deal.
Ok I can suffice with half of London, if You have to be sooo much picky... '

Your argumentation failes you again, love.

I see You don't like my generous offers
So which part of Spain are You willing to give to their Palestinians?

Their palestinians?

Would you like me to send you the hair on my left big toe or the right one?

Every independent country that was colonized by Muslims has 'their Palestinians' demanding to return.
Greece, Spain, Israel are not jumping on the opportunity for some reason.

Wonder why?

 

[rylah]

Negotiate this: "From the Ocean to the Sea - Al-Andalus will be free".

Bargaining chips? How about dividing Madrid?

What?

I lived in Andalucia and their "independence movement" isn't really an independence movement, it's more just "we're from Andalucia and we want our identity". Nothing more.

Catalonia and the Basque country are the ones who really want independence. Mainly because they're rich enough to know they can go it alone.

Why would you divide Madrid? This makes no sense.

INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT?!
Then be polite and return Madrid to the Caliphate, show us by example.
Take the medicine You offer Israel - then we can see if that makes sense in practice.

Why don't You?

Except that there are two completely different situations. So.....

In what way different?
Both Spain and Israel use virtually the same arguments and language to address the same issues of Muslim colonization.

There's no issue of "Muslim colonization" in Spain.

In Israel Jews and Muslims live close together. In Spain they don't.

Muslims Demand Right to Return to Spain
Following the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, a number of Muslim groups are now demanding similar grace for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

In the interest of equality, the Muslim supporters say that they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

However, historians state that the Jews were in Spain before the Christians, and so their expulsion was on the grounds of bigotry, whereas the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language, and so their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.
(emphasis mine)
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European hypocrisy knows no limits, to blame the Jew for living in Judea, demanding it accepts millions of hostile Muslims, while Spain still holds colonies in Africa and demands the complete opposite for themselves.

 

[frigidweirdo]

What?

I lived in Andalucia and their "independence movement" isn't really an independence movement, it's more just "we're from Andalucia and we want our identity". Nothing more.

Catalonia and the Basque country are the ones who really want independence. Mainly because they're rich enough to know they can go it alone.

Why would you divide Madrid? This makes no sense.

INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT?!
Then be polite and return Madrid to the Caliphate, show us by example.
Take the medicine You offer Israel - then we can see if that makes sense in practice.

Why don't You?

Except that there are two completely different situations. So.....

In what way different?
Both Spain and Israel use virtually the same arguments and language to address the same issues of Muslim colonization.

There's no issue of "Muslim colonization" in Spain.

In Israel Jews and Muslims live close together. In Spain they don't.

Muslims Demand Right to Return to Spain
Following the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, a number of Muslim groups are now demanding similar grace for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

In the interest of equality, the Muslim supporters say that they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

However, historians state that the Jews were in Spain before the Christians, and so their expulsion was on the grounds of bigotry, whereas the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language, and so their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.
(emphasis mine)

Well, not really.

The Jews were a part of Spain before the invasion of the Moors and then were kicked out after the Moors were defeated.

The Moors and the Spanish fought a war and the Spanish won.

Also the Sephardic Jews speak a form of Spanish. The Muslims don't.

The Muslims have no connection with Spain at all, other than they want EU citizenship.

 

[rylah]

INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT?!
Then be polite and return Madrid to the Caliphate, show us by example.
Take the medicine You offer Israel - then we can see if that makes sense in practice.

Why don't You?

Except that there are two completely different situations. So.....

In what way different?
Both Spain and Israel use virtually the same arguments and language to address the same issues of Muslim colonization.

There's no issue of "Muslim colonization" in Spain.

In Israel Jews and Muslims live close together. In Spain they don't.

Muslims Demand Right to Return to Spain
Following the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, a number of Muslim groups are now demanding similar grace for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

In the interest of equality, the Muslim supporters say that they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

However, historians state that the Jews were in Spain before the Christians, and so their expulsion was on the grounds of bigotry, whereas the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language, and so their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.
(emphasis mine)

Well, not really.

The Jews were a part of Spain before the invasion of the Moors and then were kicked out after the Moors were defeated.

The Moors and the Spanish fought a war and the Spanish won.

Also the Sephardic Jews speak a form of Spanish. The Muslims don't.

The Muslims have no connection with Spain at all, other than they want EU citizenship.

Jews were part of Israel for 2000 years before Muslims invaded and colonized the land.
Forced their culture down peoples' throats, tried to expelled Jews from their holy cities.
The Muslims and Jews fought a war - Jews won a tiny sliver of their land, the bigger portion of which remained under control of an Arabian king.

Muslims in Israel are not readily learning Hebrew, many don't know more than few words, Arabic is a foreign language in this land, they shoved it into every society they've colonized.
Muslims have no connection to Israel at all, other than having invaded it like Spain and wanting an Israeli citizenship (without the Israelis).

Yet Spain demands a Muslim state in Israel, in Jerusalem, and to flood it with millions of hostile defeated Muslims who not only don't want to integrate - but openly advocate the destruction of that country.

Q. Do Spaniards think Jews are made from a different material, why the double standard?

 

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Except that there are two completely different situations. So.....

In what way different?
Both Spain and Israel use virtually the same arguments and language to address the same issues of Muslim colonization.

There's no issue of "Muslim colonization" in Spain.

In Israel Jews and Muslims live close together. In Spain they don't.

Muslims Demand Right to Return to Spain
Following the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, a number of Muslim groups are now demanding similar grace for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

In the interest of equality, the Muslim supporters say that they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

However, historians state that the Jews were in Spain before the Christians, and so their expulsion was on the grounds of bigotry, whereas the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language, and so their expulsion was a matter of decolonization.
(emphasis mine)

Well, not really.

The Jews were a part of Spain before the invasion of the Moors and then were kicked out after the Moors were defeated.

The Moors and the Spanish fought a war and the Spanish won.

Also the Sephardic Jews speak a form of Spanish. The Muslims don't.

The Muslims have no connection with Spain at all, other than they want EU citizenship.

Jews were part of Israel for 2000 years before Muslims invaded and colonized the land.
Forced their culture down peoples' throats, tried to expelled Jews from their holy cities.
The Muslims and Jews fought a war - Jews won a tiny sliver of their land, the bigger portion of which remained under control of an Arabian king.

Muslims in Israel are not readily learning Hebrew, many don't know more than few words.
Muslims have no connection to Israel at all, other than having colonized it like Spain and wanting Israeli citizenship.

Yet Spain demands a Muslim state in Israel, in Jerusalem, and to flood it with millions of hostile Muslims who not only don't want to integrate - but openly advocate the destruction of that country.

Q. Do Spaniards think Jews are made from a different material, why the double standard?

The problem with your argument is that Muslims do have a connection with Israel. Many Muslims are Israeli citizens. And many were there when Israel was made a country.

Yes, Muslims came in to what is now Palestine/Israel and invaded. But they're still there. The Spanish are still there. The Moors aren't. Very few Jewish people were left a hundred and something years ago. Those Jews that are there now are people who have emigrated away from wherever it was they came from.

Is there double standards? Often when it comes to the Israel/Palestine issue the Spanish have kept to the line that prevents anyone criticizing them for wanting to keep Catalonia and the Basque Country in Spain.

But the problems in Palestine/Israel are different to anywhere else. Neither side wants peace there, so the only rational thing would seem to have two separate areas where the people can live apart from each other. Get the whole damn mess over with.